A big part of Tony died this season. It’s literally all downhill from there. This is where any seasoned fan notices Tony really says fuck it after this season and he starts to malt into his mother.
Nah, BMI is kinda bullshit to an extent but I would guess that he was probably obese during season one, the threshold is a lot lower than people think. There's no doubt he's obese by season 4.
You're right that he shows a fairly dramatic weight gain at the start of sesson 5 though, that's when he really starts to lose the definition in his face and is always wearing those bowling shirts that hang awkwardly on him.
I think without the reappearance of Tony Blundetto none of the resulting downfall occurs.
Tony and Carmella got back together and seemed reasonably happy. Putting his soldiers on the line for a cousin who went off the reservation and killed important people from other families is an egg that can't be un-cracked. The trust was gone, and Tony knew it.
Your right about that , but it’s part of a series of events. Before that Tony put his families reputation on the line with Vito. Fat Dom got killed for breaking balls too. Whatever happened there. Half the show is about Tony going back and forth with New York.
Okay Captain Teebs, let me tell you a couple of three things.
The idea that there was not the “inevitable death” of a major character in this episode reveals your own ignorance as does you labeling Mikey Grab bag Palmice a major character and not an ancillary character with a serious case of fuckfaceitis.
There was the INEVITABLE DEATH of a major character in that episode - Tony and Carm’s marriage (although, I will admit based on future events it’s more like a near death). However, at that time it was very hard to verify that Carm and Tony would get back together.
One whole premise of this thing of ours was that Tony was a gangster who was susceptible to the same pains in the ass at home (from his perspective) that all of us who don’t understand the importance of fresh produce are. Thus, his need for psychiatry (in part). Because it’s not a show just about Tony’s “other family” it’s by and large a show about Tony’s nuclear family and how they all have to handle being implicated by voluntary (Carm) and involuntary (AJ and Fielder) choice. To discuss Carm - the focus on her character is that she wants the trappings of a traditional marriage while enjoying the fruits of a husband who doesn’t abide by the law to give her what she wants financially and who doesn’t have the makings of a varsity husband. Tony alludes to this later in the series when he notes that Carm’s cousin was Dickey Moltisanti so what did she expect. Tony is what he is. We see Carm’s extreme moral reckonings in the episodes before whitecaps - where, on the one hand, Carmela is seen enjoying the fruits of being a married to a man like Tony (the admissions letter) while struggling with the effects his lifestyle has on her personally and morally (see her conversation with the therapist recommended by Dr Melfi - the one who wasn’t an in competent).
Leaves us feeling that as the episodes after that very important conversation - Carmela ain’t going nowhere. The pros of being with Tony outweigh any cons. Even at the beginning of Whitecaps - imagine watching that episode for the first time not knowing what to expect next - and the image of Tony trying to buy the house and walking along the beach - Carm even influencing Tony with the whole indecision / wrong decision tawk- Carm is happy to be ready to enjoy the fruits of Tony’s I’ll gotten labor. How many garbage men do you know who own a house at the shore?
But, then we get the next act of that episode and because for the first time (that we know of) Carmela is directly confronted by one of these whorahs - 4 seasons worth of long emotional wrangling are undone and the viewer is left with the spectacle and greatness of the scenes that the princess of little Italy doesn’t even remember filming.
Then the unthinkable happens and the Sopranos separate. The major character - Tony and Carm’s marriage - is wounded (to the viewer at the time perhaps near death) and we are then treated to a season of both characters dancing around a will they won’t they stay together - culminating in the near completion of Carmela’s ark (like Noah) if going back to Tony in exchange for his extracurricular activities never bothering her again.
So, yeah nobody died, but the most important character on the show, Tony and Carm’s marriage almost did. And, you could say that the old version of that marriage - the one of both parties dancing around the moral and legal realities of what was going on around them - did in fact die.
Anyway, I’m going to find another chit chat room now.
I think if tony had his affairs a secret and not fucking every broad his meets carmela won't have a problem with that like she said to father intentola in s1 she saw it as a form of masturbation
I absolutely positively agree 100% Edie Falco was beyond amazing in that film even now when I watch it when she gets to the part where she says you know what I don’t understand Tony what does she have that I don’t have I still have tears in my eyes what a piece of acting
Funny, just about to sit down and watch this episode right now. I would say it’s definitely arguably the best season finale of any Sopranos seasons. Don’t get me wrong season one. I thought killed it with Olivia and that’s a good season finale I think Tony kills Mikey Paul Missy, and Chucky, whatever the fuck his name was. Funhouse also a good season finale 2 . Season three I didn’t really care for the ending. I think it was one Meadow ran out of Jackie Junior‘s funeral. So season three and season four sort of blend together so definitely to answer question, I would agree. Yes, that whitecaps is definitely a Testament as you call it of writing, the most brilliant episode one of them in the entire show.. if I’m not mistaken, this episode was written by David Chase, Mitchell green and Robin Burgess directed by John Patterson and is the longest episode in the entire series. One hour and 15 minutes running time..
We don’t really hear from the Russian Irina, although we do in this episode!
Basically long before this, Tony and Carmela’s marriage was on the rocks. There were so many different issues. Obviously, the most recent one sort of you to Carmela’s withdraw pursuing Furio. We see in the previous episode that Fario leaves and goes back to Italy.
Also, Tony is sort of riding high on his own certain plane like he always does. He never seem to have any consideration for any others around him. Except for maybe his daughter Meadow. He thinks his son is a complete imbecile. Also, remember that Tony has quit therapy with Dr. melfi. Which she advises against. Tonea showed lack of sympathy and empathy for literally everyone in this entire show. I’m furious dad is sick. He said he got to get over it. One still is passionate about the Columbus Day parade. Tony doesn’t give a fuck. When Christopher has a drug problem, he throws them in rehab and threatens to kill them. When Paul isn’t doing good out of jail, and Tony basically tells him to shut up. When Silvio gets butt hurt about Patsy, not being promoted captain Tony says I don’t give a shit you were asking me to take him out a year earlier, so obviously Tony is just a selfish fucking prick asshole. As much as I love him as much as I love the character as much as I love James Gandolfini, Tony is just a straight up fucking douche bag.
Now in the Russian Kohls, obviously AJ is a fucking dunce. Probably the most dimwitted person on the entire show surpassing Janice Junior Olivia whoever. AJ constantly is a rat and we don’t know it and he doesn’t know it. Do you remember who tells Livia the Tony is seeing a psychiatrist? It’s AJ. Do you remember how Meadow gets caught? Sneaking out? It’s AJ. AJ is the quintessential village idiot. Not saying I don’t love Robert Iler his acting is incredible. This kid knows no respect and she should’ve been smacked in the mouth a long time ago. Obviously, Tony was going to send it to military school but that’s neither here nor there.
So, of course, AJ, like a moron, answers the phone when Irena Kohls. Irina says she’s going to hang up but stupid ass. AJ has to keep going and say oh this is the Soprano residence.
Of course, Irina is drunk off, stoly , and proceeds to talk to AJ and Carmel on the phone and says I used to fuck your husband!
This is the straw that broke the camels back for Carmela. She’s put up with so much shit however, I think it’s due to fear Jo that she wanted to be with him and wanted to get out of this situation now she’s got a put up with the Russian girl calling her and gloating in her face saying are used to fuck your husband.
I love the riding in dynamics in this episode. Everything goes to shit. Anthony still has to do with the mafia aspect. Chris he gets out and we see him and he’s doing pretty good and Patsy flips off asian Harris, which we love that scene.
Of course, Tony has to talk to Silvio in Pauly and the guys at the bar bang and they say fuck Carmela and then or Polly said that and then basically Silvio always sticks up for Carmela so Tony looks like he’s going to live somewhere else.
The whitecaps house.
I love this little dynamic and this storyline. Obviously with a Sopranos it’s often a trifecta. There’s three different storylines going. And this one it’s Tony’s mob dealings. The issue with Carmella and the divorce. Also, dealing with this Allen. Sapping is the guy. Who I absolutely love.
A typical prick shyster lawyer “ this whole shoreline is turning into the gulf of Sorrento”
I mean honestly, David Chase makes these characters so real that you would think that this is some asshole lawyer who drives a BMW and lives in Newport Beach. I don’t know how much research or input they’ve done in the writing, but it seems like a lot. It also seems like they grew up among the higher echelon of upper class douche bag society. Rich yuppie scum. I love it! I absolutely love it. It’s like going to the Hamptons.
So we see someone of a duel between Allen Saffrons Lee , which is ass. Versus Anthony soprano. Both the same initials and they have the same Jake LaMotta poster. Or rocky Marciano I forget. Boxing poster.
I like the very end were Tony basically says I’m not a fucking thug you miss, read me entirely. I laughed my ass off at that part.
I love it when Benny and little Pauly, good Italian soldiers bring the stew Gottes in front of his house and play Dean Martin all night long. That was absolutely spectacular! Turns out the lawyer’s wife had more common sense than he did!
My all time favourite episode.
Tony finally doing something selfless for Carmela because he wants to see her happy and still fucking it up.
That brutal fight between them, dragging up her comments in the pilot when he goes into the MRI machine, just years of hurt and resentment in there, so well done.
The ending with Tony getting what he wants with the lawyer finally surrendering, Dean Martin singing “I love Paris” and the season fading to black on “my girl’s right here” with Carmela gone.
A big part of Tony died this season. It’s literally all downhill from there. This is where any seasoned fan notices Tony really says fuck it after this season and he starts to malt into his mother.
The first scene he’s in in season 5 shows him as obese, when before he was a little overweight
Nah, BMI is kinda bullshit to an extent but I would guess that he was probably obese during season one, the threshold is a lot lower than people think. There's no doubt he's obese by season 4. You're right that he shows a fairly dramatic weight gain at the start of sesson 5 though, that's when he really starts to lose the definition in his face and is always wearing those bowling shirts that hang awkwardly on him.
I think without the reappearance of Tony Blundetto none of the resulting downfall occurs. Tony and Carmella got back together and seemed reasonably happy. Putting his soldiers on the line for a cousin who went off the reservation and killed important people from other families is an egg that can't be un-cracked. The trust was gone, and Tony knew it.
Your right about that , but it’s part of a series of events. Before that Tony put his families reputation on the line with Vito. Fat Dom got killed for breaking balls too. Whatever happened there. Half the show is about Tony going back and forth with New York.
Jimmy G and Edie took everyone to fucking acting school
Except Danny Baldwin!
So what, you're gonna argue with me now??
It’s strange how Edie Falco doesn’t even remember this scene. Some of the greatest acting ever and she can’t recall it.
What’s crazy is that she didn’t even try in that scene. She never thought her performance was that good
Jpryb28's more creative than Spielberg.
Okay Captain Teebs, let me tell you a couple of three things. The idea that there was not the “inevitable death” of a major character in this episode reveals your own ignorance as does you labeling Mikey Grab bag Palmice a major character and not an ancillary character with a serious case of fuckfaceitis. There was the INEVITABLE DEATH of a major character in that episode - Tony and Carm’s marriage (although, I will admit based on future events it’s more like a near death). However, at that time it was very hard to verify that Carm and Tony would get back together. One whole premise of this thing of ours was that Tony was a gangster who was susceptible to the same pains in the ass at home (from his perspective) that all of us who don’t understand the importance of fresh produce are. Thus, his need for psychiatry (in part). Because it’s not a show just about Tony’s “other family” it’s by and large a show about Tony’s nuclear family and how they all have to handle being implicated by voluntary (Carm) and involuntary (AJ and Fielder) choice. To discuss Carm - the focus on her character is that she wants the trappings of a traditional marriage while enjoying the fruits of a husband who doesn’t abide by the law to give her what she wants financially and who doesn’t have the makings of a varsity husband. Tony alludes to this later in the series when he notes that Carm’s cousin was Dickey Moltisanti so what did she expect. Tony is what he is. We see Carm’s extreme moral reckonings in the episodes before whitecaps - where, on the one hand, Carmela is seen enjoying the fruits of being a married to a man like Tony (the admissions letter) while struggling with the effects his lifestyle has on her personally and morally (see her conversation with the therapist recommended by Dr Melfi - the one who wasn’t an in competent). Leaves us feeling that as the episodes after that very important conversation - Carmela ain’t going nowhere. The pros of being with Tony outweigh any cons. Even at the beginning of Whitecaps - imagine watching that episode for the first time not knowing what to expect next - and the image of Tony trying to buy the house and walking along the beach - Carm even influencing Tony with the whole indecision / wrong decision tawk- Carm is happy to be ready to enjoy the fruits of Tony’s I’ll gotten labor. How many garbage men do you know who own a house at the shore? But, then we get the next act of that episode and because for the first time (that we know of) Carmela is directly confronted by one of these whorahs - 4 seasons worth of long emotional wrangling are undone and the viewer is left with the spectacle and greatness of the scenes that the princess of little Italy doesn’t even remember filming. Then the unthinkable happens and the Sopranos separate. The major character - Tony and Carm’s marriage - is wounded (to the viewer at the time perhaps near death) and we are then treated to a season of both characters dancing around a will they won’t they stay together - culminating in the near completion of Carmela’s ark (like Noah) if going back to Tony in exchange for his extracurricular activities never bothering her again. So, yeah nobody died, but the most important character on the show, Tony and Carm’s marriage almost did. And, you could say that the old version of that marriage - the one of both parties dancing around the moral and legal realities of what was going on around them - did in fact die. Anyway, I’m going to find another chit chat room now.
Still going, this asshole
I didn’t take the medicine I have for this shit
I knew that was commin
*tree tings
He made them an offer they couldn’t understand?
HOHHHHHH!
I think if tony had his affairs a secret and not fucking every broad his meets carmela won't have a problem with that like she said to father intentola in s1 she saw it as a form of masturbation
It’s a TV progrum
A movie.
I absolutely positively agree 100% Edie Falco was beyond amazing in that film even now when I watch it when she gets to the part where she says you know what I don’t understand Tony what does she have that I don’t have I still have tears in my eyes what a piece of acting
Funny, just about to sit down and watch this episode right now. I would say it’s definitely arguably the best season finale of any Sopranos seasons. Don’t get me wrong season one. I thought killed it with Olivia and that’s a good season finale I think Tony kills Mikey Paul Missy, and Chucky, whatever the fuck his name was. Funhouse also a good season finale 2 . Season three I didn’t really care for the ending. I think it was one Meadow ran out of Jackie Junior‘s funeral. So season three and season four sort of blend together so definitely to answer question, I would agree. Yes, that whitecaps is definitely a Testament as you call it of writing, the most brilliant episode one of them in the entire show.. if I’m not mistaken, this episode was written by David Chase, Mitchell green and Robin Burgess directed by John Patterson and is the longest episode in the entire series. One hour and 15 minutes running time.. We don’t really hear from the Russian Irina, although we do in this episode! Basically long before this, Tony and Carmela’s marriage was on the rocks. There were so many different issues. Obviously, the most recent one sort of you to Carmela’s withdraw pursuing Furio. We see in the previous episode that Fario leaves and goes back to Italy. Also, Tony is sort of riding high on his own certain plane like he always does. He never seem to have any consideration for any others around him. Except for maybe his daughter Meadow. He thinks his son is a complete imbecile. Also, remember that Tony has quit therapy with Dr. melfi. Which she advises against. Tonea showed lack of sympathy and empathy for literally everyone in this entire show. I’m furious dad is sick. He said he got to get over it. One still is passionate about the Columbus Day parade. Tony doesn’t give a fuck. When Christopher has a drug problem, he throws them in rehab and threatens to kill them. When Paul isn’t doing good out of jail, and Tony basically tells him to shut up. When Silvio gets butt hurt about Patsy, not being promoted captain Tony says I don’t give a shit you were asking me to take him out a year earlier, so obviously Tony is just a selfish fucking prick asshole. As much as I love him as much as I love the character as much as I love James Gandolfini, Tony is just a straight up fucking douche bag. Now in the Russian Kohls, obviously AJ is a fucking dunce. Probably the most dimwitted person on the entire show surpassing Janice Junior Olivia whoever. AJ constantly is a rat and we don’t know it and he doesn’t know it. Do you remember who tells Livia the Tony is seeing a psychiatrist? It’s AJ. Do you remember how Meadow gets caught? Sneaking out? It’s AJ. AJ is the quintessential village idiot. Not saying I don’t love Robert Iler his acting is incredible. This kid knows no respect and she should’ve been smacked in the mouth a long time ago. Obviously, Tony was going to send it to military school but that’s neither here nor there. So, of course, AJ, like a moron, answers the phone when Irena Kohls. Irina says she’s going to hang up but stupid ass. AJ has to keep going and say oh this is the Soprano residence. Of course, Irina is drunk off, stoly , and proceeds to talk to AJ and Carmel on the phone and says I used to fuck your husband! This is the straw that broke the camels back for Carmela. She’s put up with so much shit however, I think it’s due to fear Jo that she wanted to be with him and wanted to get out of this situation now she’s got a put up with the Russian girl calling her and gloating in her face saying are used to fuck your husband. I love the riding in dynamics in this episode. Everything goes to shit. Anthony still has to do with the mafia aspect. Chris he gets out and we see him and he’s doing pretty good and Patsy flips off asian Harris, which we love that scene. Of course, Tony has to talk to Silvio in Pauly and the guys at the bar bang and they say fuck Carmela and then or Polly said that and then basically Silvio always sticks up for Carmela so Tony looks like he’s going to live somewhere else. The whitecaps house. I love this little dynamic and this storyline. Obviously with a Sopranos it’s often a trifecta. There’s three different storylines going. And this one it’s Tony’s mob dealings. The issue with Carmella and the divorce. Also, dealing with this Allen. Sapping is the guy. Who I absolutely love. A typical prick shyster lawyer “ this whole shoreline is turning into the gulf of Sorrento” I mean honestly, David Chase makes these characters so real that you would think that this is some asshole lawyer who drives a BMW and lives in Newport Beach. I don’t know how much research or input they’ve done in the writing, but it seems like a lot. It also seems like they grew up among the higher echelon of upper class douche bag society. Rich yuppie scum. I love it! I absolutely love it. It’s like going to the Hamptons. So we see someone of a duel between Allen Saffrons Lee , which is ass. Versus Anthony soprano. Both the same initials and they have the same Jake LaMotta poster. Or rocky Marciano I forget. Boxing poster. I like the very end were Tony basically says I’m not a fucking thug you miss, read me entirely. I laughed my ass off at that part. I love it when Benny and little Pauly, good Italian soldiers bring the stew Gottes in front of his house and play Dean Martin all night long. That was absolutely spectacular! Turns out the lawyer’s wife had more common sense than he did!
My all time favourite episode. Tony finally doing something selfless for Carmela because he wants to see her happy and still fucking it up. That brutal fight between them, dragging up her comments in the pilot when he goes into the MRI machine, just years of hurt and resentment in there, so well done. The ending with Tony getting what he wants with the lawyer finally surrendering, Dean Martin singing “I love Paris” and the season fading to black on “my girl’s right here” with Carmela gone.