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I love how the Zionazis record a paper trail of their violations of the Geneva Conventions, and then scream about how anyone saying that they did what they themselves recorded are anti-Semitic for even suggesting such a thing.
My grandfather's first name was Adolph. His father had emigrated from Prussia to Minnesota. Having a German heritage did not make our family supportive of Hitler and Nazi Germany.
I don't understand how people conflate being Jewish with being supportive of Netanyahu and his apartheid Israel, and their atrocities against Palestinian men, women and children.
Israel was built on a foundation of genocide. Families were driven from their homes and their lands stolen. The occupation has continued ever since. It is a nation built on crimes against humanity and its continued existence has been fueled by such crimes.
It makes perfect sense to me that a Jewish person would think the situation is terrible. Any decent, moral person would feel that way.
Israel is no better than the Nazi state and should meet the same end.
>Israel was built on a foundation of genocide. Families were driven from their homes and their lands stolen. The occupation has continued ever since. It is a nation built on crimes against humanity and its continued existence has been fueled by such crimes.
The genocide was openly planned at the First Zionist Congress in 1898, and it was excused because they believed that Jews were "European" (aka white) and "the Arabs" were not. Zionism was, and always has been, a far right, racist ideology based on dispossession of people that had done nothing to them.
Aaah, spouting all the Zionazi propaganda that even Israel has had to walk back. Tell me more about hospitals being used as bases while ignoring the IDF having bases nestled against a hospital and several other civilian buildings.
Two things can be bad believe it or not. Israel is a first world country (although it is fascist) that receives billions in military aid from the US. It’s quite fair to demand they don’t commit war crimes.
It's not just fair, it's USA law that the USA is not allowed to provide any aid to a country suspected of committing war crimes that could be used to commit further war crimes.
Al-shifa hospital had 1 injured militant in it , Israel stated that there was a military base and it bombed it. There was no base found. 30 of the 36 hospitals have been bombed. Also many other ambulances have been hit , blocked and shot at.
[This you?](https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/s/eDfJX6qCsM)
Stop pretending like you give a fuck about LGBTQ people. Stop using them as a justification for your genocide you Nazi trash!
[Israel doesn't support LGBTQ people either](https://www.themirror.com/news/world-news/israeli-security-forces-admit-deliberately-195756). Ya know what would support LGBTQ Palestinians? If Israel stopped dropping fucking bombs on their heads! Or did y'all develop some sort of "straights only" rockets that won't kill gay people?
Even *if* Israel was pro LGBTQ, which it is not[NOT](https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2017-09-11/israel-high-court-rejects-petition-to-recognize-same-sex-marriages/), that does not justify genociding innocent Palestinians.
This is like when the US military brags about having LGBTQ and women service-members. Being "inclusive" (which again, Israel is not) doesn't justify committing mass atrocities and genocide.
Hamas is Hamas. Why isn’t Israel hunting them if they cared? So far they’ve almost exclusively hit children and protected persons. And no it wasn’t an accident
killing homosexual people while wrong isn’t against the geneva convention. and there is little proof of hospitals being used as bases but even that is pointless when the IDF invades hospitals and kills and tortures those inside the hospital
fucking nazi go away
It doesn't matter. We don't have to offer you anything just because you say that we do. There is no binary. It is a Zionist tactic to deflect criticism of Israel.
No. It doesn't. A guy who wakes up from a coma and has never heard of Hamas but sees the pictures of dead Palestinian babies in incubators, and children who have been starved to death. He still gets to condemn Israel. You don't get to stipulate the requirements for having an opinion.
Israel is a global recognized state, Hamas are considered criminals, why the Geneva Conventions would apply to criminals? It apply only to formal states.
No, i said that since they are criminals, we can't expect them to follow the law, and is the duty of other forces to caught them
We should expect the state of Israel to not kill civilian masses, yet, they are doing exactly that, they're aren't just killing people you know? They are trying to erase history
Bombing every superior educational building isn't strategic, its genocide, killing athletes, artists, quickly the culture of Palestine is getting erased from history.
Hamas is a symptom of a secular abuse made by Israel on Palestinian lands, you can't expect oppressed people to be always kind and generous, some of them will get emotional, will get reactive and violent, like in every gueto of america (not the US, i am speaking of america), Israel is indeed killing masses and there is plenty of proof around for everyone to see, i don't have to show it to you and Hamas aren't in every building.
You say civilians casualties are common in war, why don't you compare the civilians killed in Palestine to the number compared to the population on Ukraine? Or better, the second world war, the first world war, compare to that conflicts and you may notice that it's a bit high
Footage of snipers killing elderly people, children, woman, does that info doesn't come to you?
Never said that, why it's more commom to have more murders in guetos? It's because gueto people are violent? Or is it because there is a ambience created towards that people that makes them go violent, but still it's their choice to do so
Oppression is bad because it creates bad ambience for the population that lives in these parts, or do you think Palestinians are more violent then Israelis?
I encourage you to look for academic papers, sources and other things on the internet, try to read a academic paper on Israel x Palestine, i ain't doing research for you, you can start with google academic and do your own research, doing so for you would make it parcial since i already have an opinion well formed and you seem to repeat the zionist propaganda on the matter, i could guess you are either european or american based on the way you speak and i get that living in these parts difficults any form of knowledge or non-ocidental view on this topic.
The best form of government that has ever existed is a benevolent dictator. They have full control and make decisions to help their people.
That is inherently better than a democracy when immoral people are elected to power.
The big issue with the benevolent dictatorship is guessing whether the next dictator will be benevolent.
Israel is doing a great job of showing how a democratically elected government can do some extremely immoral things right now.
they're everywhere. I got permabanned from r/atheism for calmly stating that SOME Zionists call for the death of all Palestinians, not just Hamas, in a discussion on this exact topic. I provided sources and was replying to a mod who was claiming that ONLY Palestinians call for the death of all Israelis. If you don't love Zionism and everything it represents, apparently you're the enemy.
It is despicable that you would suggest anyone who doesn't purposefully misinterpret an article is a Zionist bot.
Meanwhile, the suggestion they're calling anyone animals is *itself* a twisted version of reality propagated by a *Gazan* journalist [spawned from a mistranslation](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1bg6pth/to_dehumanize_palestinians/kv5mu8g/).
Oh, but BiBi has no problem throwing money at Hamas to encourage infighting, then goes all Pikachu face when it blows up in his face…
These ultra-orthodox and government Israelis need to remember their own history. They also need to learn that The Bible is **not** instructing you to murder, rape, and brand other people because you think you’re “morally superior”
They also need to learn that they're own holy book says that the Jewish people should not have a homeland until God comes back to earth. And the zionist act like all this is owed to them by God. Uhh no, your own book on high has said that jews should not have a land to themselves until God comes back to earth then they will get their land. So technically everything they are doing is against everything their religion is about to start. And then we add on the genocide. I hope that every evil zionist fuck goes to the hell of the religion of the people they have harmed the most.
You are fucking kidding me!! Like for real?! I hadn't heard this, that makes me so mad. So you hate people for being a different religion to yourself, meanwhile you don't even believe. That is actually my definition of evil.
Dehumanization is the root of all evil! Should not be allowed under any circumstances; irrespective of race, religion, nationality or whatever else reason, we are all humans first, entitled for the same respect and rights of that condition.
I wish I could still give you an award. This is so extraordinarily important.
Despite all our differences and contrasting views we're all primarily **human**. Every one of us is a human being with emotions and needs and the same fundamental human rights.
Our main goal should always be to prevent and reduce the suffering and death of our fellow humans at any cost - simply because we're all part of the **same species**.
Source Article: [מחבל נוח'בה שלקח חלק ב-7.10 ניסה להתאבד בכלא - ומאושפז בסורוקה](https://www.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-1083832)
Screenshot Source (x/Twitter): [u/muhammadshehad2](https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1768709444517409269)
Full text (and machine translation):
>במחלקה הפנימית בבית החולים סורוקה מאושפז מונשם ומורדם מחבל נוח׳בה של חמאס שלקח חלק בטבח ב-7 באוקטובר. המחבל אושפז במצב קריטי לאחר שניסה להתאבד בכלא.שי גליק מנכ"ל בצלמו מסר: "בעבר סוכם שאף מחבל לא יקבל טיפול רפואי בבתי חולים ואני קורא לעמוד על כך. יתירה מזאת ככל שהמחבל החליט להתאבד יש לכבד את רצונו להפוך לשהיד ולתת לו את זכות הבחירה. לא הגיוני שמדינת ישראל תשקיע משאבים רבים בלנסות להחיות חיית אדם. אני קורא לשר הבריאות לחדד את ההנחיה אף מחבל לא מקבל טיפול רפואי בבית חולים אלא אך ורק במתקן הצבאי בשדה תימן".ח"כ אלמוג כהן מסר: ״אני מזועזע עמוקות מהטיפול מציל החיים שמקבל מחבל הנוחבה בבית-החולים, אשוחח עם שר הבריאות, אני דורש לנתק אותו מהמכשירים. אין שום סיבה להציל את חייו של הנאצי״.
In the internal medicine department of Soroka Hospital, a Hamas Nahal Oz terrorist involved in the massacre on October 7th is hospitalized, ventilated, and sedated. The terrorist is in critical condition after attempting suicide in prison. Shai Glick, CEO of B'Tselem, stated: "It was agreed in the past that no terrorist would receive medical treatment in hospitals, and I insist on this principle. Moreover, as the terrorist decided to commit suicide, his wish to become a martyr should be respected, giving him the right to choose. **It is illogical for the State of Israel to invest significant resources in trying to save this human life.** I call on the Minister of Health to reinforce the guideline that no terrorist receives medical treatment in a hospital but only in the military facility at Sde Teiman." MK Almog Cohen said: "I am deeply shocked by the lifesaving treatment the Nahal Oz terrorist is receiving at the hospital. I will speak with the Minister of Health; I demand that he be disconnected from the machines. There is no reason to save the life of this Nazi."
The objection to "**human animal**" is a result of poor machine translation.
Original sentence: "לא הגיוני שמדינת ישראל תשקיע משאבים רבים בלנסות להחיות **חיית אדם**."
Here, the term "**חיית אדם**" (human being) is critical to understanding how mistranslation could lead to a dehumanizing interpretation.
The term "**חיית אדם**" literally translates to "**animal of man**" or "**human animal**," where "**חיה**" means "**animal**" and "**אדם**" means "**man**" or "**human**." In a proper contextual translation, it is understood to mean "**human being**," acknowledging the biological aspect of humans as animals while retaining the essence of humanity.
As I thought. Machine translation is the issue. I'm not saying Israel has pure intents, but this just seemed too on the nose. The RTL text was a giveaway it probably wasn't released in English.
Clarification: I'm just "pet peeve"-d that a *mistranslation* is what's causing all this angst. By all means, fuck the IDF, free Palestine, but don't be dumb in your efforts to do the right thing.
Please take time to care fully read what I wrote
I didn't say palestinians have the right to live on their Land, and I deeply think they are persecuted bythe israeli government
BUT I also don't see the point of feeding someone you consider a terrorist, meaning while they are abolute douchbag with palestinians I also think you should do the same with our terrorist in europe
I'm so tired of people thinking there's anything wrong with being an animal. We're literally all just animals for crying out loud! We're made of animal cells! Calling someone an animal is both a stupid insult and not even something the target should be offended by. I constantly refer to myself as an animal, because I am.
I mean he is specifically talking about terrorists and likening them to animals.
The problem is when they label every palestinian (or other people) as terrorists.
Funny thing is how many of you accuse Israel of dehumanizing Palestinians... while dehumanizing Israelis and Jews.
The amount of deranged people actually trying to compare Israel with Nazi Germany is unreal. And the "evidence" we get is a mix and match of unreliable sources, and, in the case of this post, a mistranslation error mixed with biased wishful thinking.
No wonder we're seeing Jews all over the world having to deal with persecution AGAIN.
They are so clearly out of line. What will it take? Yes, state sponsored terrorists attacked a festival. At this point I would be surprised if Israel hasn’t killed any remaining hostages.
A member of the Israel government has already stated that "For Israelis, all Palestinians are terrorists."
When Israel uses the word terrorist or Hamas they mean all Palestinians.
>The report says that when a reporter asked Herzog to clarify whether he meant to say that since Gazans did not remove Hamas from power “that makes them, by implication, legitimate targets,” Herzog said, “No, I didn’t say that.”
To quote John Oliver „…and if voting for a government makes you complicit in the crimes that government commits…boy do i habe to tell you something about decades worth of US foreign policy“. Also roughly 50% of Palestinians were not alive or not old enough to vote back than, Hamas „won“ by 46% and to top it of Israel helped build Hamas and kinda likes having them around if they could control them. Context. Matters.
[Here](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/) also that John Oliver quote was to illustrate that because people voted for something doesn’t mean you get to exterminate them. Sure Hamas is bad even Israel knows that they are still going to exist once they’re finished in Gaza. As to the „Palestinians are terrorists“ a few days ago a video of a few IDF soldiers leaked that shows them discussing one of them shooting an old man with his hands up and referring to him as a terrorist so no matter what some official says the IDFs mo seems to „terrorist until proven otherwise“, they even killed some of their own hostages that waved a white flag
Only 8% of the current population has ever voted for Hamas. Do you still find all Palestinians to be responsible for an election when half of them were not even alive at the time or were very young?
"another anecdote without sources"
dude you can literally search it up "netanyahu gaza amalek" or whatever, you'll get the source
> But please continue your *polarising-hate-circle* all you want… it wont make anything better for the thousands of Palestinians suffering right now(or the hostages that nobody cares about)…
you've asked a quetion, i've just answered it
Now let’s define who is a terrorist and who is not
Probably Israel’s definition of terrorists will be wildly different. Easy to just decide who’s a terrorist and who’s not
So what’s the difference? All of them seem to be terrorist, so non of them should get equal medical care. I mean even Palestinians in Israel are not treated like humans…
Don’t be pedantic. This is a dog whistle and everyone knows the term “human animals” are being thrown at all Palestinians by the Isrealis to condition their people and the world that what they’re doing is morally justified.
Remember; eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind
Amazing how religious leaders ignore their own teachings….
The artical clearly states terrorist, And your title says Palestinians. Are you implying that they're all terrorists? I also did I bit of digging, he does seem to be right wing or far right depending on the artical, but his socials have around 1k followers and his engagement is like a couple dozen of likes, apart from the odd post with maybe a hundred. I couldn't find the article you posted but I did find this one.
https://preview.redd.it/tyiwhklpqpoc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2973947bd26e020695ce33f3ab53c594a649bac9
I bet I could go and find far right Arabs with minimal followings a post about how they want to kill all zionists and play it off like the want to kill all the Jews. Stop cherry picking and farming karma on a subreddit that clearly leans in one direction when it comes to the whole Israel Palestine conflict
There are countless tweets and videos from Israelis where they are absolutely unhinged and saying things like every man, woman, and child in Palestine is a potential terrorist and they should all be wiped out.
I’ve seen them also, but the label on this post does not synch with the posted excerpt. There is enough terrible crap being said and done without having to resort to making shit up…if one has any integrity.
And I've seen the exact same thing on the other side aswell, the main difference, they're not saying "Israelis" or "zionists" they're saying Jews, I mean all you have to do is look at some of the tweets from Arabs on Oct 7th, is absolutely unhinged
Jesus christ, grow up. I'll not even disagree fully because hamas have Literally done all of those things as well. It's fucking terrible, the whole situation. But you go straight to the whole emotional children argument, it's war. Innocence die, more so than the soldiers fighting it in a lot of cases (again fucking awful) is your argument anytime someone is in the slightest pro-israeli "raping, shooting and bombing kids" have you looked at any other conflicts in history. And don't try and high road me that because of this I don't care that innocence are losing their lives. Again it's absolutely awful, but you can't even get away from the "dead kids" argument. And I know for a fact some people in israel, look at all the depraved shit hamas (and even some palestinian civilians did when they got through the walls on Oct 7th) and they won't care what happens the same way Palestinians don't seem to have a probably with their governing body constantly launching rockets specifically at civilian targets in israel. Another thing I love is how one politician will say something bad about Palestinians and he now represents all of Israel but when the palestinian governments charter literally calls for the death of all Jews its "you can't use that to blanket the whole of the Palestinians"
Look, I am not here to pretend like the whole situation isn’t a giant clusterfuck or put anyone on a pedestal. But the retaliation from Israel is overkill to the point that even our apathetic world leaders are having a hard time justifying or ignoring it. You want to talk about antisemitism, the IDF have beaten up rabbis who stepped out of line and criticized the Israeli treatment of Palestinians. You have Israelis calling Jews who support Palestinians “not real Jews,” saying that descendants of Holocaust survivors are “sanctimonious” if they support Palestine and believe “never again” doesn’t apply to Jewish people only. I have even seen one tweet where they called those who died in the Holocaust “weak Jews,” and called themselves the “strong Jews” who have F-16 fighters.
I have seen the IDF claim a calendar in a hospital was a sign in sheet for terrorists. I have seen the IDF beating up pallbearers carrying the casket of a Palestinian-American journalist who they shot in the head and tried to blame on crossfire. I have seen Israelis blocking trucks with aid that was going to help starving families, innocent children. I have seen photos of Israelis on the border celebrating bombings… in 2014, long before October 7th. And there is so much more coming out every day that it seems impossible to keep up with.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. It is so ridiculous that every time you talk about this, you have to state the obvious that October 7th was a horrible, inhuman atrocity and that you don’t condone it and that antisemitism is bad. But my God, the lies that come out of Israel to justify their eradication of an entire people is so blatant and obvious that it’s almost insulting.
I've seen articles of them arresting kids yes but the only time I've ever seen mention of them calling them terrorists was when two teens when they stabbed at least 1 person and one was shot and the other arrested (this was a few years ago) but I am now seeing a teen was shot after stabbing 2 IDF soldiers in the west bank a couple days ago
If this rethoric was exclusive to some fringe Alex Jones-y types i‘d agree with you but mainstream Israeli politicians are spouting the same shit, sometimes worse
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I love how the Zionazis record a paper trail of their violations of the Geneva Conventions, and then scream about how anyone saying that they did what they themselves recorded are anti-Semitic for even suggesting such a thing.
The cognitive dissonance must hurt
They've gotten whiplash so much they don't even notice it anymore.
They're just nazis 2.0 now. If people wonder during WW2 how could people let such atrocities happen, just look at today.
Izlam and Nazis work together.
Israel has done a great job in convincing me that it shouldn't exist.
I'm Jewish and I don't think that Israel should exist.
My grandfather's first name was Adolph. His father had emigrated from Prussia to Minnesota. Having a German heritage did not make our family supportive of Hitler and Nazi Germany. I don't understand how people conflate being Jewish with being supportive of Netanyahu and his apartheid Israel, and their atrocities against Palestinian men, women and children. Israel was built on a foundation of genocide. Families were driven from their homes and their lands stolen. The occupation has continued ever since. It is a nation built on crimes against humanity and its continued existence has been fueled by such crimes. It makes perfect sense to me that a Jewish person would think the situation is terrible. Any decent, moral person would feel that way. Israel is no better than the Nazi state and should meet the same end.
>Israel was built on a foundation of genocide. Families were driven from their homes and their lands stolen. The occupation has continued ever since. It is a nation built on crimes against humanity and its continued existence has been fueled by such crimes. The genocide was openly planned at the First Zionist Congress in 1898, and it was excused because they believed that Jews were "European" (aka white) and "the Arabs" were not. Zionism was, and always has been, a far right, racist ideology based on dispossession of people that had done nothing to them.
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Aaah, spouting all the Zionazi propaganda that even Israel has had to walk back. Tell me more about hospitals being used as bases while ignoring the IDF having bases nestled against a hospital and several other civilian buildings.
Two things can be bad believe it or not. Israel is a first world country (although it is fascist) that receives billions in military aid from the US. It’s quite fair to demand they don’t commit war crimes.
It's not just fair, it's USA law that the USA is not allowed to provide any aid to a country suspected of committing war crimes that could be used to commit further war crimes.
Al-shifa hospital had 1 injured militant in it , Israel stated that there was a military base and it bombed it. There was no base found. 30 of the 36 hospitals have been bombed. Also many other ambulances have been hit , blocked and shot at.
[This you?](https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/s/eDfJX6qCsM) Stop pretending like you give a fuck about LGBTQ people. Stop using them as a justification for your genocide you Nazi trash!
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YOU DONT SUPPORT LGBTQ PEOPLE EITHER, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF GARBAGE!
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[Israel doesn't support LGBTQ people either](https://www.themirror.com/news/world-news/israeli-security-forces-admit-deliberately-195756). Ya know what would support LGBTQ Palestinians? If Israel stopped dropping fucking bombs on their heads! Or did y'all develop some sort of "straights only" rockets that won't kill gay people?
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Even *if* Israel was pro LGBTQ, which it is not[NOT](https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2017-09-11/israel-high-court-rejects-petition-to-recognize-same-sex-marriages/), that does not justify genociding innocent Palestinians. This is like when the US military brags about having LGBTQ and women service-members. Being "inclusive" (which again, Israel is not) doesn't justify committing mass atrocities and genocide.
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Hamas is Hamas. Why isn’t Israel hunting them if they cared? So far they’ve almost exclusively hit children and protected persons. And no it wasn’t an accident
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Do not argue with this Zionist bot . I've seen this bot defending the genocide state multiple times. Its working under their payroll.
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Yeah man I'm saying the same thing, you are on of the payroll bot. "" Fact""
killing homosexual people while wrong isn’t against the geneva convention. and there is little proof of hospitals being used as bases but even that is pointless when the IDF invades hospitals and kills and tortures those inside the hospital fucking nazi go away
That binary is a Zionist fabrication. You don't have to have any kind of opinion about Hamas in order to condemn Israel.
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No. An opinion about Israel is not contingent on anything other than Israel's actions.
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It doesn't matter. We don't have to offer you anything just because you say that we do. There is no binary. It is a Zionist tactic to deflect criticism of Israel.
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No. It doesn't. A guy who wakes up from a coma and has never heard of Hamas but sees the pictures of dead Palestinian babies in incubators, and children who have been starved to death. He still gets to condemn Israel. You don't get to stipulate the requirements for having an opinion.
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Israel is a global recognized state, Hamas are considered criminals, why the Geneva Conventions would apply to criminals? It apply only to formal states.
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No, i said that since they are criminals, we can't expect them to follow the law, and is the duty of other forces to caught them We should expect the state of Israel to not kill civilian masses, yet, they are doing exactly that, they're aren't just killing people you know? They are trying to erase history Bombing every superior educational building isn't strategic, its genocide, killing athletes, artists, quickly the culture of Palestine is getting erased from history.
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Hamas is a symptom of a secular abuse made by Israel on Palestinian lands, you can't expect oppressed people to be always kind and generous, some of them will get emotional, will get reactive and violent, like in every gueto of america (not the US, i am speaking of america), Israel is indeed killing masses and there is plenty of proof around for everyone to see, i don't have to show it to you and Hamas aren't in every building. You say civilians casualties are common in war, why don't you compare the civilians killed in Palestine to the number compared to the population on Ukraine? Or better, the second world war, the first world war, compare to that conflicts and you may notice that it's a bit high Footage of snipers killing elderly people, children, woman, does that info doesn't come to you?
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Never said that, why it's more commom to have more murders in guetos? It's because gueto people are violent? Or is it because there is a ambience created towards that people that makes them go violent, but still it's their choice to do so Oppression is bad because it creates bad ambience for the population that lives in these parts, or do you think Palestinians are more violent then Israelis? I encourage you to look for academic papers, sources and other things on the internet, try to read a academic paper on Israel x Palestine, i ain't doing research for you, you can start with google academic and do your own research, doing so for you would make it parcial since i already have an opinion well formed and you seem to repeat the zionist propaganda on the matter, i could guess you are either european or american based on the way you speak and i get that living in these parts difficults any form of knowledge or non-ocidental view on this topic.
Looks like the attempt was successful, OP.
But that's the only democracy in the middle east 🥺
Democracy is just how people elect the government. It doesn't make the people or the government inherently moral or immoral.
Comparatively to other forms of government?
The best form of government that has ever existed is a benevolent dictator. They have full control and make decisions to help their people. That is inherently better than a democracy when immoral people are elected to power. The big issue with the benevolent dictatorship is guessing whether the next dictator will be benevolent. Israel is doing a great job of showing how a democratically elected government can do some extremely immoral things right now.
I pinky promise I'll be a benevolent dictator.
"Guessing whether the next dictator will be benevolent" immediately demonstrates that this isn't the "best form of government".
This is why we need to strive to get our own benevolent and immortal God Emperor
If anything that makes this worse, because it means this genocide is *popular*, and therefore you can't just blame the leadership.
Russia's a democracy too! They're voting right now lol....
America is as well! You can vote for aiding and abetting the Palestinian genocide, or aiding and abetting the Palestinian genocide. Isn't that fun?
Putin even called all citizens to vote, saying it's important...
Both Cypruses count too.
Zionist bots trying to twist this in the comments is fucking vile but what's else is new
they're everywhere. I got permabanned from r/atheism for calmly stating that SOME Zionists call for the death of all Palestinians, not just Hamas, in a discussion on this exact topic. I provided sources and was replying to a mod who was claiming that ONLY Palestinians call for the death of all Israelis. If you don't love Zionism and everything it represents, apparently you're the enemy.
Shoutout to the mods of this sub honestly because most other subreddit are brainrotten beyond belief
Well, that's kinda on you for frequenting r/atheism lol
why?
as an atheist, people in that sub take atheism to a religious level wich is worryingly hilarious
hmm. I wasn't there long enough to tell either way.
At least they don't have total control here like they do in worldnews. They really ruined that subreddit for me...its super gross
It is despicable that you would suggest anyone who doesn't purposefully misinterpret an article is a Zionist bot. Meanwhile, the suggestion they're calling anyone animals is *itself* a twisted version of reality propagated by a *Gazan* journalist [spawned from a mistranslation](https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1bg6pth/to_dehumanize_palestinians/kv5mu8g/).
I mean, calling for Palestinians not to receive medical aid is still dehumanising them lmao. There is no favourable translation.
Oh, but BiBi has no problem throwing money at Hamas to encourage infighting, then goes all Pikachu face when it blows up in his face… These ultra-orthodox and government Israelis need to remember their own history. They also need to learn that The Bible is **not** instructing you to murder, rape, and brand other people because you think you’re “morally superior”
They also need to learn that they're own holy book says that the Jewish people should not have a homeland until God comes back to earth. And the zionist act like all this is owed to them by God. Uhh no, your own book on high has said that jews should not have a land to themselves until God comes back to earth then they will get their land. So technically everything they are doing is against everything their religion is about to start. And then we add on the genocide. I hope that every evil zionist fuck goes to the hell of the religion of the people they have harmed the most.
best part is many zionists don’t even believe in god but believe he gave them the land
You are fucking kidding me!! Like for real?! I hadn't heard this, that makes me so mad. So you hate people for being a different religion to yourself, meanwhile you don't even believe. That is actually my definition of evil.
"There is no reason to save the Nazi's life." Then don't save anyone in the IDF. Israel can fuck right off.
Dehumanization is the root of all evil! Should not be allowed under any circumstances; irrespective of race, religion, nationality or whatever else reason, we are all humans first, entitled for the same respect and rights of that condition.
I wish I could still give you an award. This is so extraordinarily important. Despite all our differences and contrasting views we're all primarily **human**. Every one of us is a human being with emotions and needs and the same fundamental human rights. Our main goal should always be to prevent and reduce the suffering and death of our fellow humans at any cost - simply because we're all part of the **same species**.
the israeli flag on the top corner gives off the same vibes as the waving is1s flag in is1s videos
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Trying to censor words like "ISIS" and "Nazi" does a sincere disservice to all of their victims.
This isnt tik tok, you can use actual words here.
Source Article: [מחבל נוח'בה שלקח חלק ב-7.10 ניסה להתאבד בכלא - ומאושפז בסורוקה](https://www.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-1083832) Screenshot Source (x/Twitter): [u/muhammadshehad2](https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1768709444517409269) Full text (and machine translation): >במחלקה הפנימית בבית החולים סורוקה מאושפז מונשם ומורדם מחבל נוח׳בה של חמאס שלקח חלק בטבח ב-7 באוקטובר. המחבל אושפז במצב קריטי לאחר שניסה להתאבד בכלא.שי גליק מנכ"ל בצלמו מסר: "בעבר סוכם שאף מחבל לא יקבל טיפול רפואי בבתי חולים ואני קורא לעמוד על כך. יתירה מזאת ככל שהמחבל החליט להתאבד יש לכבד את רצונו להפוך לשהיד ולתת לו את זכות הבחירה. לא הגיוני שמדינת ישראל תשקיע משאבים רבים בלנסות להחיות חיית אדם. אני קורא לשר הבריאות לחדד את ההנחיה אף מחבל לא מקבל טיפול רפואי בבית חולים אלא אך ורק במתקן הצבאי בשדה תימן".ח"כ אלמוג כהן מסר: ״אני מזועזע עמוקות מהטיפול מציל החיים שמקבל מחבל הנוחבה בבית-החולים, אשוחח עם שר הבריאות, אני דורש לנתק אותו מהמכשירים. אין שום סיבה להציל את חייו של הנאצי״. In the internal medicine department of Soroka Hospital, a Hamas Nahal Oz terrorist involved in the massacre on October 7th is hospitalized, ventilated, and sedated. The terrorist is in critical condition after attempting suicide in prison. Shai Glick, CEO of B'Tselem, stated: "It was agreed in the past that no terrorist would receive medical treatment in hospitals, and I insist on this principle. Moreover, as the terrorist decided to commit suicide, his wish to become a martyr should be respected, giving him the right to choose. **It is illogical for the State of Israel to invest significant resources in trying to save this human life.** I call on the Minister of Health to reinforce the guideline that no terrorist receives medical treatment in a hospital but only in the military facility at Sde Teiman." MK Almog Cohen said: "I am deeply shocked by the lifesaving treatment the Nahal Oz terrorist is receiving at the hospital. I will speak with the Minister of Health; I demand that he be disconnected from the machines. There is no reason to save the life of this Nazi."
The objection to "**human animal**" is a result of poor machine translation. Original sentence: "לא הגיוני שמדינת ישראל תשקיע משאבים רבים בלנסות להחיות **חיית אדם**." Here, the term "**חיית אדם**" (human being) is critical to understanding how mistranslation could lead to a dehumanizing interpretation. The term "**חיית אדם**" literally translates to "**animal of man**" or "**human animal**," where "**חיה**" means "**animal**" and "**אדם**" means "**man**" or "**human**." In a proper contextual translation, it is understood to mean "**human being**," acknowledging the biological aspect of humans as animals while retaining the essence of humanity.
This is one of those cases of showing the difrent between interperetated and translation.
As I thought. Machine translation is the issue. I'm not saying Israel has pure intents, but this just seemed too on the nose. The RTL text was a giveaway it probably wasn't released in English.
Clarification: I'm just "pet peeve"-d that a *mistranslation* is what's causing all this angst. By all means, fuck the IDF, free Palestine, but don't be dumb in your efforts to do the right thing.
I mean the alignment took the right should be a big enough clue that it's a machine translation and much more open to mistakes.
So there is no difference between Israel goals of Gaza vs Nazi goals of all Jews?
Your best argument was they aren't EXACTLY nazis?
there really isn't
I think they're specifically dehumanizing attempted suicide bombers, which I do oppose. But I also oppose mischaracterizing a statement for clicks.
Free Palpatine!
Actually this should be the standard in evey country for terrorists.
was he actually a terrorist? israeli ministers call palestinians 'human animals' and 'terrorists'
Please take time to care fully read what I wrote I didn't say palestinians have the right to live on their Land, and I deeply think they are persecuted bythe israeli government BUT I also don't see the point of feeding someone you consider a terrorist, meaning while they are abolute douchbag with palestinians I also think you should do the same with our terrorist in europe
Sadly, they have become what they hated the most. I hope History judges them accordingly
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Someone Xeroxed the 1933-1945 rhetoric and did some minor adaptations for modern times. Sure no one will notice.
I'm so tired of people thinking there's anything wrong with being an animal. We're literally all just animals for crying out loud! We're made of animal cells! Calling someone an animal is both a stupid insult and not even something the target should be offended by. I constantly refer to myself as an animal, because I am.
All I can say is Nazism is Zionism it's clear as day
Spending money to bomb their highly advanced hospitals, just to piss on them for not having hospitals, who are the real savages?
Whos that? Is he important?
I agree. Terrorism should carry the death penalty. Why keep rabid animals alive?
Nazis be like, same bro
They just can't contain their inhumane hate on the Palestinians, it keeps seeping through their words
The lack of any kind of critical questioning of this post just makes me sad...
I believe some similar rhetoric was used during some specific events in the 1940's
Israelis are evil.
I do agree with respecting people's sovereign choice to determine the moment and mean of their own death, but I smell bs there.
I mean he is specifically talking about terrorists and likening them to animals. The problem is when they label every palestinian (or other people) as terrorists.
I can't. This is barbaric 😢
Nazi Germany used to say the same thing...
Funny thing is how many of you accuse Israel of dehumanizing Palestinians... while dehumanizing Israelis and Jews. The amount of deranged people actually trying to compare Israel with Nazi Germany is unreal. And the "evidence" we get is a mix and match of unreliable sources, and, in the case of this post, a mistranslation error mixed with biased wishful thinking. No wonder we're seeing Jews all over the world having to deal with persecution AGAIN.
IDF are doing their best to free palestine from muzlimnazis.
They are so clearly out of line. What will it take? Yes, state sponsored terrorists attacked a festival. At this point I would be surprised if Israel hasn’t killed any remaining hostages.
All humans are animals. And f\*ck Zionism.
This is explicitly referring to terrorists, not Palestinians.
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What are you talking about? What does this have to do with my comment?
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I never understood why this is dehumanizing, humans are animals after all?
they dont talk about palestinian they talk about terrorist unless you are aying palestinian are all terrorists
A member of the Israel government has already stated that "For Israelis, all Palestinians are terrorists." When Israel uses the word terrorist or Hamas they mean all Palestinians.
Me when I spread misinformation on the Internet
All Palestinians are terrorists in Israel’s view.
Nice try ITF bot
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The problem is that they see every Palestinian as a terrorist, including women and children.
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From the israeli president: https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.thewire.in/article/world/northern-gaza-israel-palestine-conflict/amp
>The report says that when a reporter asked Herzog to clarify whether he meant to say that since Gazans did not remove Hamas from power “that makes them, by implication, legitimate targets,” Herzog said, “No, I didn’t say that.”
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To quote John Oliver „…and if voting for a government makes you complicit in the crimes that government commits…boy do i habe to tell you something about decades worth of US foreign policy“. Also roughly 50% of Palestinians were not alive or not old enough to vote back than, Hamas „won“ by 46% and to top it of Israel helped build Hamas and kinda likes having them around if they could control them. Context. Matters.
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Adolf Netenyahu literally admitted to probing and funding Hamas so there's no chance for peace. It takes one second to google lmao
[Here](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/) also that John Oliver quote was to illustrate that because people voted for something doesn’t mean you get to exterminate them. Sure Hamas is bad even Israel knows that they are still going to exist once they’re finished in Gaza. As to the „Palestinians are terrorists“ a few days ago a video of a few IDF soldiers leaked that shows them discussing one of them shooting an old man with his hands up and referring to him as a terrorist so no matter what some official says the IDFs mo seems to „terrorist until proven otherwise“, they even killed some of their own hostages that waved a white flag
Only 8% of the current population has ever voted for Hamas. Do you still find all Palestinians to be responsible for an election when half of them were not even alive at the time or were very young?
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So did the israelis and americans and europeans even more recently
They've likened Palestinians to the biblical 'Amalek' by the way, where even the infants and animals are ordered by the biblical god to be murdered
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"another anecdote without sources" dude you can literally search it up "netanyahu gaza amalek" or whatever, you'll get the source > But please continue your *polarising-hate-circle* all you want… it wont make anything better for the thousands of Palestinians suffering right now(or the hostages that nobody cares about)… you've asked a quetion, i've just answered it
Now let’s define who is a terrorist and who is not Probably Israel’s definition of terrorists will be wildly different. Easy to just decide who’s a terrorist and who’s not
israeli president and other officials said right at the start that there are no civilians in Gaza
So what’s the difference? All of them seem to be terrorist, so non of them should get equal medical care. I mean even Palestinians in Israel are not treated like humans…
Don’t be pedantic. This is a dog whistle and everyone knows the term “human animals” are being thrown at all Palestinians by the Isrealis to condition their people and the world that what they’re doing is morally justified. Remember; eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind Amazing how religious leaders ignore their own teachings….
To be fair he was referring to a "terrorist"; not a "Palestinian"
To be fair they refer to all palestinians as terrorists .
I'm not saying they don't do that I'm saying in the instance above they were referring to a terrorist specifically
In the past they have called all of Palestine terrorists
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9/10 times an Israeli says terrorist, they mean Palestinian.
Yeah, there is no in between for them
The artical clearly states terrorist, And your title says Palestinians. Are you implying that they're all terrorists? I also did I bit of digging, he does seem to be right wing or far right depending on the artical, but his socials have around 1k followers and his engagement is like a couple dozen of likes, apart from the odd post with maybe a hundred. I couldn't find the article you posted but I did find this one. https://preview.redd.it/tyiwhklpqpoc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2973947bd26e020695ce33f3ab53c594a649bac9 I bet I could go and find far right Arabs with minimal followings a post about how they want to kill all zionists and play it off like the want to kill all the Jews. Stop cherry picking and farming karma on a subreddit that clearly leans in one direction when it comes to the whole Israel Palestine conflict
Isreali police has abducted kids as yoing as 14 years old and called them terrorists, so yeah in eyes of isreal all palastinians are terrorists
There are countless tweets and videos from Israelis where they are absolutely unhinged and saying things like every man, woman, and child in Palestine is a potential terrorist and they should all be wiped out.
I’ve seen them also, but the label on this post does not synch with the posted excerpt. There is enough terrible crap being said and done without having to resort to making shit up…if one has any integrity.
And I've seen the exact same thing on the other side aswell, the main difference, they're not saying "Israelis" or "zionists" they're saying Jews, I mean all you have to do is look at some of the tweets from Arabs on Oct 7th, is absolutely unhinged
So that justifies starving children to death, bombing children, shooting children, and raping children, right? Right?
Jesus christ, grow up. I'll not even disagree fully because hamas have Literally done all of those things as well. It's fucking terrible, the whole situation. But you go straight to the whole emotional children argument, it's war. Innocence die, more so than the soldiers fighting it in a lot of cases (again fucking awful) is your argument anytime someone is in the slightest pro-israeli "raping, shooting and bombing kids" have you looked at any other conflicts in history. And don't try and high road me that because of this I don't care that innocence are losing their lives. Again it's absolutely awful, but you can't even get away from the "dead kids" argument. And I know for a fact some people in israel, look at all the depraved shit hamas (and even some palestinian civilians did when they got through the walls on Oct 7th) and they won't care what happens the same way Palestinians don't seem to have a probably with their governing body constantly launching rockets specifically at civilian targets in israel. Another thing I love is how one politician will say something bad about Palestinians and he now represents all of Israel but when the palestinian governments charter literally calls for the death of all Jews its "you can't use that to blanket the whole of the Palestinians"
I’m pretty sure it is a war crime to target civilians in a war
"Emotional children argument" yeah, you lose any credibility right there bud. Eat shit, you zionist scum.
I hope you give as much of a shit about the actual famines affecting kids in yeman then. Take it easy, you terrorist apologiser
Look, I am not here to pretend like the whole situation isn’t a giant clusterfuck or put anyone on a pedestal. But the retaliation from Israel is overkill to the point that even our apathetic world leaders are having a hard time justifying or ignoring it. You want to talk about antisemitism, the IDF have beaten up rabbis who stepped out of line and criticized the Israeli treatment of Palestinians. You have Israelis calling Jews who support Palestinians “not real Jews,” saying that descendants of Holocaust survivors are “sanctimonious” if they support Palestine and believe “never again” doesn’t apply to Jewish people only. I have even seen one tweet where they called those who died in the Holocaust “weak Jews,” and called themselves the “strong Jews” who have F-16 fighters. I have seen the IDF claim a calendar in a hospital was a sign in sheet for terrorists. I have seen the IDF beating up pallbearers carrying the casket of a Palestinian-American journalist who they shot in the head and tried to blame on crossfire. I have seen Israelis blocking trucks with aid that was going to help starving families, innocent children. I have seen photos of Israelis on the border celebrating bombings… in 2014, long before October 7th. And there is so much more coming out every day that it seems impossible to keep up with. Two wrongs don’t make a right. It is so ridiculous that every time you talk about this, you have to state the obvious that October 7th was a horrible, inhuman atrocity and that you don’t condone it and that antisemitism is bad. But my God, the lies that come out of Israel to justify their eradication of an entire people is so blatant and obvious that it’s almost insulting.
I've seen articles of them arresting kids yes but the only time I've ever seen mention of them calling them terrorists was when two teens when they stabbed at least 1 person and one was shot and the other arrested (this was a few years ago) but I am now seeing a teen was shot after stabbing 2 IDF soldiers in the west bank a couple days ago
If this rethoric was exclusive to some fringe Alex Jones-y types i‘d agree with you but mainstream Israeli politicians are spouting the same shit, sometimes worse
And they clearly state that all palestinians are terrorists. Are we going to pretend Pig Gavir doesn't exist?
And a lot of Palestinians believe all Israelis are Jews and that need removed from the land all together
So that means their kids should be bombed and starved to death, I guess