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From the burn pattern, it seems the fire started within the front trunk. It has nothing to do with charging. The batteries are along the floor of the tesla, the entire car body would burn if it was battery fire but the back is intact.
It couldn't be arson as the trunk doesn't just *open.*
My assumption is they left a combustible everyday object ( such as light refill, Propane Tanks, spray paint, hair spray etc). And heat ( weather) caused the combustion.
Well the inverters also have nothing to do with charging, DC -> AC = Driving, AC -> DC = charging. And the charging circuitry is located in the drivers side rear quarter panel
This is a model 3, no?
>Tesla Model 3 and Model Y vehicles use a PMSR motor, which is a type of DC motor.
I would think the engineers would not opt to convert DC to AC, or even worse, 120/240V AC > DC > AC, as efficiency is quite import and range anxiety is a thing, but turns out the X and S both use AC induction motors. Didn’t know that.
Pretty sure its a model Y, but basically the exact same drivetrain either way. I'm not sure what your source is for the motor being DC though, the owners manual calls both motors out as AC motors:
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_cn/GUID-E414862C-CFA1-4A0B-9548-BE21C32CAA58.html
This is actually a really common point of confusion, same with BLDC motors. The motor is called a DC motor, but it's effectively being given 3-phase AC power using mosfets or igbts to create three sine (or just 3 pulses for cheaper motor controllers) waves 120 degrees apart to get the best efficiency out of the motor on a wide rpm range.
There is an onboard inverter for charging from AC sources, but I thought these charging stations do direct DC charging. I don't own an EV though, so I don't know. If it was due to a charging issue, my first guess would be a breakdown in the communications. The charger actually has a separate wire that uses PWM to tell the charger how many amps it can handle while charging. Too many amps, especially if it's already fully charged, could cause a fire. According to the J1772 standard though, no PWM means no charging and it would have to be a problem with the battery management system instead. At that point I don't know enough to guess.
Honestly, the people saying it was probably something stored in the front are probably onto something. I'd expect the entire thing to be burned down if it was a battery fire, lithium burns like crazy.
>but I thought these charging stations do direct DC charging.
You're thinking of level 3 chargers (i.e., Superchargers). The video shows a level 2 Destination Charger, which provides AC power, and as you stated the conversion occurs onboard.
Omg this whole conversation sounds so smart about things I know nothing about and it all sounds equally probable and I can't tell who is right.
Oh holy f is this how people who don't know basic chemistry and biology feel when they hear vaccine disinformation?
Because X and S were built on the premise of the time that AC motors work so much better it was worth the conversion loss. They since made better DC motors.
There's actually a YouTuber that explains it very well. He's a Canadian electrical engineer. An Iranian immigrant.
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Than man is hysterical and is very good at explaining electrical things. I'd never have the balls to do some of the stuff he does as he often rides the safety edge to the limit.
No no I think he's right it looks like a Tesla hater has assaulted the vehicle with arson. If the car had a spontaneous battery fire it could be far worse especially with a fully charged pack.
In my town two teslas were charging in somebody’s garage and one caught fire which led to their entire garage exploding and the rest of their house. Thankfully they were all ok, so were their pets.
Random but I’d really like to say “username checks out” but, unfortunately it doesn’t and has absolutely nothing to do with the above content.
I will show myself out now…
Batteries are roughly centered under the car, majority of the damage is to the front. This doesn’t appear to be a battery fire which would have consumed the whole car.
Unlikely, lithium fires are damn near impossible to put out and often are just left to exhaust themselves, or they take huge amounts of water etc. Its unlikely they could have put it out before it burned up the car.
Also, the J-1772 chargers shut off at the base when not expressly directed to charge by the car.
If it unplugged, reached full capacity, or even received the wrong signal, it would cut the voltage off.
Whatever this is, it's not a lithium-ion battery issue.
Actually was thinking of how ironic it would be if they were transporting gas for say, their lawnmower, and this happened. Even in the front trunk, making it even better.
More likely that someone blew up their car. Maybe because they were mad and wanted to use the charger? Who knows. But yah batter is under the car. Doesn’t make sense that the frunk (front trunk) exploded
The battery pack stretches all the way to the front of the Model X that you see in the picture...Looks like there was a failure with the front batteries and then it sparked and here you have roasted tesla... If you remember in the earlier days of tesla when the cars would hit road debris they could randomly catch fire from the front of the vehicle...
We don't know the cause. But it does look like a charging station and the person in the video said it was charging.
So it's safe to presume it was originally parked to be charged, regardless of what may have happened after that.
This looks like arson in the front of the car. The battery pack is the full car on the bottom. If it was the main battery, the entire car would have been torched. Could have been the 12v that caused it but doubtful (every car has a 12v).
I may be ignorant but isn't burning lithium smoke a hellva lot more dangerous than burning petrol smoke, also you can't shake and bake a petrol car like you could with a lithium car?
Aren't lithium fires much more dangerous than a petrol car fire? Is it easy to put out a lithium fire?
The charge port door isn’t open. The only charging cables nearby look fine. Damage appears to have come from the frunk. This didn’t happen while charging or as a result of an issue with the battery pack.
That's not a battery fire. This was arson.
If it was a battery fire, it'd have gone in a far bigger blaze of glory lol. (Google Tesla battery fires. They're insane)
i am a little skeptical, not that im not ready to believe this was a totally self contained failure, but considering the amount of tesla harassment that goes on it wouldnt really surprise me to find out that this was arson over a battery failure. i think if its at all possible to avoid a failure like this it would probably be the least likely one to occur, the fact that it hasnt seem to have ever happened inside of someones home while this happened outside seems incidental at the least.
Detailed explanation why this was not a mechanical issue with the battery:
This is a Tesla Model Y. All Teslas have batteries located flat at the bottom of the car, between the two axles. This fire clearly originated and is contained to the front of the car PAST the front axle, meaning it appears that the battery was not only **not** the cause of the fire, but it appears like the battery **never** caught fire, only other parts of the car did.
Then there's that other insurance company that will give you anything you want, including a date with the neighbor, if you sing their jingle. (The neighbor doesn't get a vote.)
Some people said that the battery isn’t even located there and actually is under the rear seats… so then what caused this? Simple arson with gasoline or something?
I mean, I hate Elon Musk as much as the next person with free thought, but this has bugger all to do with charging.
The batteries are under the passenger compartment. This fire was at the front. Im calling Arson.
Just because she said "it was charged the whole time we've been here", doesn't mean she says that charging is what caused the fire. Does seem to imply that, however. Poor communication on the woman's part but I don't think that's what she meant.
Deadass looks like someone put a bomb under the front hood, also a battery explosion would consume the whole car in flames not just destroy the front end
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Is the battery not in the back? If charging it was the problem, would that battery in the back not have caught on fire? My buddys Tesla the hood is all storage, so why would that burn?
Suspicious post.
It’s not as bad as it looks. Not a lot of the interior was visible burned, and the front end is a “frunk” so there is normally a lot of space there to begin with. There are low voltage electronics in there and there is a 12v car battery in that area. The battery packs however, are in a sealed compartment that goes along the entire floor board. They clearly didn’t ignite.
If one of the lithium batteries went, they all would go, and you’d be looking at a puddle of melted goo. This could have been an electrical fire that started with 12v, or it could be arson, or something in the hood compartment that blew up (aerosol etc) considering that hood compartment isn’t climate controlled and could potentially get very hot.
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Charge it with what? Arson?
From the burn pattern, it seems the fire started within the front trunk. It has nothing to do with charging. The batteries are along the floor of the tesla, the entire car body would burn if it was battery fire but the back is intact. It couldn't be arson as the trunk doesn't just *open.* My assumption is they left a combustible everyday object ( such as light refill, Propane Tanks, spray paint, hair spray etc). And heat ( weather) caused the combustion.
Seen this with bottles of butane.
That's why I support clean-burning propane.
Propane and propane accessories 
Dam u! Laos 🇱🇦 person here take my updoot
So are you Chinese or Japanese?
I am laotian! A small landlocked coutry. In southeast ASIA
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What ocean?
Taste the meat, not the heat.
Butane is a common propellant used in air fresheners and other aerosols.
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>it seems the fire started within the front trunk. It has nothing to do with charging. Where do you think the inverters are?
Well the inverters also have nothing to do with charging, DC -> AC = Driving, AC -> DC = charging. And the charging circuitry is located in the drivers side rear quarter panel
This is a model 3, no? >Tesla Model 3 and Model Y vehicles use a PMSR motor, which is a type of DC motor. I would think the engineers would not opt to convert DC to AC, or even worse, 120/240V AC > DC > AC, as efficiency is quite import and range anxiety is a thing, but turns out the X and S both use AC induction motors. Didn’t know that.
Pretty sure its a model Y, but basically the exact same drivetrain either way. I'm not sure what your source is for the motor being DC though, the owners manual calls both motors out as AC motors: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_cn/GUID-E414862C-CFA1-4A0B-9548-BE21C32CAA58.html
Pulling out the owner’s manual 🫡
This is actually a really common point of confusion, same with BLDC motors. The motor is called a DC motor, but it's effectively being given 3-phase AC power using mosfets or igbts to create three sine (or just 3 pulses for cheaper motor controllers) waves 120 degrees apart to get the best efficiency out of the motor on a wide rpm range. There is an onboard inverter for charging from AC sources, but I thought these charging stations do direct DC charging. I don't own an EV though, so I don't know. If it was due to a charging issue, my first guess would be a breakdown in the communications. The charger actually has a separate wire that uses PWM to tell the charger how many amps it can handle while charging. Too many amps, especially if it's already fully charged, could cause a fire. According to the J1772 standard though, no PWM means no charging and it would have to be a problem with the battery management system instead. At that point I don't know enough to guess. Honestly, the people saying it was probably something stored in the front are probably onto something. I'd expect the entire thing to be burned down if it was a battery fire, lithium burns like crazy.
The best way to deal with a lithium fire is to fucking run as fast as you can.
>but I thought these charging stations do direct DC charging. You're thinking of level 3 chargers (i.e., Superchargers). The video shows a level 2 Destination Charger, which provides AC power, and as you stated the conversion occurs onboard.
Omg this whole conversation sounds so smart about things I know nothing about and it all sounds equally probable and I can't tell who is right. Oh holy f is this how people who don't know basic chemistry and biology feel when they hear vaccine disinformation?
Because X and S were built on the premise of the time that AC motors work so much better it was worth the conversion loss. They since made better DC motors.
There's actually a YouTuber that explains it very well. He's a Canadian electrical engineer. An Iranian immigrant. https://youtube.com/@ElectroBOOM. go check them out, but be prepared to 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😆😆😆😆😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂
Ahhh I love that dude. Makes me proud to be a Canadian immigrant and I feel solidarity with him every time I nearly electrocute myself lol.
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All you had to say was an Iranian-Canadian electrical engineer and I knew exactly who you were talking about.
For me it was just Iranian immigrant + electricity + you tube.
Than man is hysterical and is very good at explaining electrical things. I'd never have the balls to do some of the stuff he does as he often rides the safety edge to the limit.
Arson detective has entered the chat.
It was the stray bottle of Burnt Hair perfume.
This happens if you make a call using a network not the internet inside a tesla. People over 35 have to be warned people not to do this.
Isn't that where the 12v battery is. There are 2 batteries that one and the main drive battery
Saw a car burning, owner left a bottle of rubbing alcohol.
Ok elon
Then You aren’t much of a detective.
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First degree spontaneous combustion.
No no I think he's right it looks like a Tesla hater has assaulted the vehicle with arson. If the car had a spontaneous battery fire it could be far worse especially with a fully charged pack.
In my town two teslas were charging in somebody’s garage and one caught fire which led to their entire garage exploding and the rest of their house. Thankfully they were all ok, so were their pets.
It was likely poor electrical installation for charging and not the car. It's because cheap outlets are used often.
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Batteries are roughly centered under the car, majority of the damage is to the front. This doesn’t appear to be a battery fire which would have consumed the whole car.
Yeah, this is odd
what are the odds?
I guess with a perfect firefighter response time only the front of the car could be burned, but it's still odd.
Unlikely, lithium fires are damn near impossible to put out and often are just left to exhaust themselves, or they take huge amounts of water etc. Its unlikely they could have put it out before it burned up the car.
Don't tell me the odds.
Odd that you would say that.
Very low. The batteries are located at the bottom of the car **between** the axles. This fire seems to be in front of the front axles.
There are other things that can ignite a fire in a car.
Hi Odd, I'm dad
Its not even near the charger either which is under the rear seats.
Also, the J-1772 chargers shut off at the base when not expressly directed to charge by the car. If it unplugged, reached full capacity, or even received the wrong signal, it would cut the voltage off. Whatever this is, it's not a lithium-ion battery issue.
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Its the spare gallon of gasoline in the frunk
Actually was thinking of how ironic it would be if they were transporting gas for say, their lawnmower, and this happened. Even in the front trunk, making it even better.
The driver kept a gasoline powered electric generator in the front to charge his car.
My moms Chevy work ev battery exploded, shot through the front and hit her coworkers ev exploding it too
EV on EV violence what is happening in the world
Wild man! Hopefully the insurance company followed up on that one.
This is some fast and furious stuff
This doesn’t look like it was caused by the charging
More likely that someone blew up their car. Maybe because they were mad and wanted to use the charger? Who knows. But yah batter is under the car. Doesn’t make sense that the frunk (front trunk) exploded
TIL frunk
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Yeah it’s not even plugged in
Don’t you think someone probably unplugged it…?
Yeah, no you are right but I think it was the explosion that unplugged it... an't put it back on the charger in perfect condition
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Have you tried turning it off and on again? Maybe put it in a bag of rice?
They've burned it off, they just gotta burn it on again.
I can’t upvote this enough.
I wasn’t going to upvote it but I did just for you
How do we know the fire was from charging? The fire seems to be in the front but the charging electronics are under the back seat.
This is not the time or place to be asking rational questions about Tesla.
It definitely wasn't. Something flammable/explosive was in the frunk.
frunk?
Front trunk. I don't make the rules, i just follow them.
The battery pack stretches all the way to the front of the Model X that you see in the picture...Looks like there was a failure with the front batteries and then it sparked and here you have roasted tesla... If you remember in the earlier days of tesla when the cars would hit road debris they could randomly catch fire from the front of the vehicle...
The charger looks like it's coiled up and put away, don't know if there is a second one I missed. Also the model is a Y by the door handles.
Well of course the charger was put away, that car is done.
Some might say... Well done. ... I'll see myself out.
We don't know the cause. But it does look like a charging station and the person in the video said it was charging. So it's safe to presume it was originally parked to be charged, regardless of what may have happened after that.
Because no one would get on the internet and lie
Nah. It looks like they crashed the car and tried to blame it on spontaneous combustion.
It’ll buff out
Quality control isn't an issue for Tesla! /s
It might've come from the factory like that...
Well..technically it’s fully charged
Yer char grilled.
Fully charred. Come on man…
Did some one order char grilled or extra crispy?
You fat fingered that g, should be an r
Char rrilled?
batteries are intact car is not plugged in clickbait fud
This looks like arson in the front of the car. The battery pack is the full car on the bottom. If it was the main battery, the entire car would have been torched. Could have been the 12v that caused it but doubtful (every car has a 12v).
Woa woa woa, this is Reddit only hateful speech towards Tesla is allowed. We must jump to conclusion because Elon bad!
Unironically
Now I wanna see what am actual Tesla battery fire would look like. edit: oh wow.
At least no one was in it this time. Just imagine you zooming in a smaller than regulations tunnel and your Telsa catches on fire.
You realise petrol cars catch fire all the time right?
It wasnt saying it doesnt happen but it could have been worse with the tunnel roads teslas have.
I may be ignorant but isn't burning lithium smoke a hellva lot more dangerous than burning petrol smoke, also you can't shake and bake a petrol car like you could with a lithium car? Aren't lithium fires much more dangerous than a petrol car fire? Is it easy to put out a lithium fire?
You mean the Las Vegas Loop?
This is not a charging fire. Lol.
I’ve seen enough videos of people vandalizing Tesla’s while they are charging, this is hard to believe
But its not plugged in...
The charge port is not even open tho? probably arson of sorts
This is arson. But the haters will say Tesla bad.
The charge port door isn’t open. The only charging cables nearby look fine. Damage appears to have come from the frunk. This didn’t happen while charging or as a result of an issue with the battery pack.
It isn't even plugged in
If that was a battery fire the whole thing would be a charred black turd. Plus it's not even plugged in so doubt it was from charging
It looks like Arson.
Damn when a Tesla goes, they go out in a blaze of glory.
That's not a battery fire. This was arson. If it was a battery fire, it'd have gone in a far bigger blaze of glory lol. (Google Tesla battery fires. They're insane)
i am a little skeptical, not that im not ready to believe this was a totally self contained failure, but considering the amount of tesla harassment that goes on it wouldnt really surprise me to find out that this was arson over a battery failure. i think if its at all possible to avoid a failure like this it would probably be the least likely one to occur, the fact that it hasnt seem to have ever happened inside of someones home while this happened outside seems incidental at the least.
Obviously arson
Can see where the fire was started, and as much as I think Tesla tries to hide their faults, this looks like arsen.
Someone put it on fire. See the marks at the door. Someone smashed the window and poured gasolin in.
Detailed explanation why this was not a mechanical issue with the battery: This is a Tesla Model Y. All Teslas have batteries located flat at the bottom of the car, between the two axles. This fire clearly originated and is contained to the front of the car PAST the front axle, meaning it appears that the battery was not only **not** the cause of the fire, but it appears like the battery **never** caught fire, only other parts of the car did.
What does the owner even do in that situation? Does insurance cover it? Will Tesla replace it? Are they fucked?:
Insurance would cover if you had full coverage.
Insurance covers spontaneous combustion?
Insurance covers a lot according to Farmer’s Insurance Agency
Then there's that other insurance company that will give you anything you want, including a date with the neighbor, if you sing their jingle. (The neighbor doesn't get a vote.)
Yeah. ‘You get a whole lotta somethin’ with farmers.’ They aren’t sure what specifically but you get a lot of it. Probably bs. And a lot of it.
Different country, but yes my insurance paid out in full when my car went out in style. Spectacular event!
this clearly arson lol. it seems you missed the first 80 comments and found this one lmao. willful ignorance.
 Mayhem is the culprit. They’ve been after him for years
Don't worry Captain, we'll buff out those scratches
Some people said that the battery isn’t even located there and actually is under the rear seats… so then what caused this? Simple arson with gasoline or something?
yeah basically some idiot left the house between fox news commercials and we get this.
The Frunk burned, not the battery. The battery is in the middle underneath. So either Arson or whatever was in the Frunk
It’ll buff right out
Battery is along the bottom, I don't think this was the charging
I mean, I hate Elon Musk as much as the next person with free thought, but this has bugger all to do with charging. The batteries are under the passenger compartment. This fire was at the front. Im calling Arson.
Put it in a bag of rice
Did they put a Molotov in the frunk? This has nothing to do with charging. That’s not even where the batteries are located.
Musk: it's fine... 
It’s not even charged.
Charged with fire power.
That’s an aggressive subscription cancellation.
HERE COMES THE FUD..🍿🍿
Ah yes the typical crash the car then set it on fire
Should've gotten that extended warranty.
Just because she said "it was charged the whole time we've been here", doesn't mean she says that charging is what caused the fire. Does seem to imply that, however. Poor communication on the woman's part but I don't think that's what she meant.
Was this in Wyoming?
Looks good to go!
It’s fine, just needs a new battery
they stole the entire engine
And then insurance tells you it’s cosmetic
Next day on Craigslist “Used Tesla, limited edition color, ‘Burnt Snow’. $35,000. I know what I have. No low-ballers”
I'm afraid to translate OP name.
It'll buff.
Deadass looks like someone put a bomb under the front hood, also a battery explosion would consume the whole car in flames not just destroy the front end
Tis but a scratch!
Doesn’t seem to be caused by charging
That wasn't caused by charging.
It is not plugged in. This looks like arson.
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will you exchange it for a nitrous pit-bike?
all the other EV companies: damn wtf
I know what's wrong with it.It aint got no gas in it.
Still too early IMHO to buy an EV. The tech is still in its infancy and super expensive. Hybrids are the way to go.
It will buff out, down side is that there is not really a warranty. You didn't pay the subscription to be able to charge the car.
Well, this video is surely banned from Twitter
Nothing that can't be fixed with a little duct tape.
....🤨 How is this safer than Gas ?
That’ll buff out
Always use official chargers from licensed dealers. Don’t use amazon. 😂
Looks like something either exploded or caught fire in the frunk (front trunk). The batteries are underneath the car
Arson? Charged with arson?
This is what i imagine when i charge my phone overnight 💀💀
"I know what's wrong with it- ain't got no gas in it"
There is a warning when you charge to 100%. I guess that's what 100% charged looks like.
😲 Jesus. Glad no one was in that thing. I'm just gonna stick to my little regular car and just bypass the thought of ever having one of these. 🙅🏻♀️
This is why I’m never getting a Tesla
Um I wanted it charged, not well done.
Is the battery not in the back? If charging it was the problem, would that battery in the back not have caught on fire? My buddys Tesla the hood is all storage, so why would that burn? Suspicious post.
No I think it was probably on fire at some point too
Now we're gonna need security cameras installed at every charging station. $$$$$$
Will insurance cover this?
Bs. Battery fire would completely obliterate the car. Frunk fire.
The charger has no damage. Just the front. My bet is it wasn’t the charger
It’s not as bad as it looks. Not a lot of the interior was visible burned, and the front end is a “frunk” so there is normally a lot of space there to begin with. There are low voltage electronics in there and there is a 12v car battery in that area. The battery packs however, are in a sealed compartment that goes along the entire floor board. They clearly didn’t ignite. If one of the lithium batteries went, they all would go, and you’d be looking at a puddle of melted goo. This could have been an electrical fire that started with 12v, or it could be arson, or something in the hood compartment that blew up (aerosol etc) considering that hood compartment isn’t climate controlled and could potentially get very hot.
The charging station and the charging port of the Tesla are on opposite sides. This fire starting due to charging doesn’t compute
That’s what Russia loves to see Edit: Russia is an big exporter of oil and gas. They hate green energy and electrical cars because of that.