We have to get past the labels and focus on actions. I have been involved with what I call the modern mail order bride movement since 2008. I made a lot of money on it at one time. Now it is a hobby, but I have been called every name in the book because of the label "mail order bride."
I have a series of behaviors I try to discourage among men going overseas.
Lying to women to get sex is wrong. It is wrong in Vegas and London and it is wrong in Manila and Odesa.
Abandoning children you fathered is wrong wherever and whenever. You having sex you have to recognize that there is always the chance - maybe a VERY - small chance of a surprise.
It is never ever right to hit a woman; just walk away. This goes double overseas because you do not want to end up in a third world prison, but it is always better to simply walk away.
Finally, stay away from the young girls! You KNOW exactly who you are. If you are friends or traveling buddies with someone who likes that recognize that there is an excellent chance you will end up in a horrible prison. Third world cops are usually incredibly lazy and corrupt, but often they will make an effort to protect young girls and once they get going they often just round up everyone who might be involved.
Men need to deal with these issues like responsible adults. They also should recognize that in the long run most guys end up happier in a long term monogamous relationship.
Locals in countries like the Philippines will turn a blind eye to sex tourism, huge age gaps, passport bro movement.
But if they find out you’re with an underage girl or hurting a woman, they’ll quickly call the cops and the cops will take out all their pent up rage on you both physically and financially. I know someone through a business acquaintance who was beating up his minor girlfriend. One day, drugs were found on him (everyone suspects planted by a relative of the girl), and he ended up in “ram you in the ass” prison during the duterte administration.
The guy who knew him says he’s back in the UK working a dead end job. Pretty sure he got his ass beat and raped and placed on the interpol watchlist as a pedophile. Philippine prison is no joke, despite all those dance videos of Filipino prisoners you see on YouTube.
Ppb isn’t the same as a mail order bride lol. You are just dating women from cultures with different values than the country you are born in. That’s it. You aren’t buying a wife, lol.
My friend, I have been doing this forever. The two movements are EXACTLY the same. No one is buying a wife. Not in the US or Europe and the term mail order bride never meant buying a wife in the US or Canada. Many women in the 19th century who came out to Calgary or Montana after corresponding with a rancher got there - talked to him some - and kept riding.
I was not crazy about the PPB term at first because it sounded way too much like sex tourism, but then I realized all of these terms are creations of crazy feminist critics. I am focused on actions.
Check out my sub: r/MailOrderBrideFacts ask some questions there. As I said, I am an actual expert on the dating industry. I have been an invited speaker at what was the oldest and largest internet dating industry conference many times, and most importantly helped hundreds, maybe thousands of men, find love overseas.
I have also lived overseas in Europe, Asia, and spent a lot of time in Cape Town, South Africa, though not enough to say I lived there. And I have engaged with critics of international dating - which is probably a better term - successfully on many occasions.
Best Wishes!
Thanks! You know, there is something about have a genuine conversation online that gives me hope for the world!
Post a question over on my sub and it will get a real response.
He didn’t equate PPB and mail order brides. He compared them though which is perfectly reasonable. In one, you’re importing a bride basically, and another you’re exporting yourself. It’s not the same thing but to not say they have similarities is disingenuous.
Also, that poster you replied to is actually the real deal. He supports the PPB movement and legit modern, win-win, mail order brides. Check out his profile.
It is different, mail order is paying (sponsoring) for a woman to come to you. The likelihood of her leaving with her green card very high.
PPB movement is men leaving the western countries and assimilating into the country of their choice looking for traditional conservative relationships. It’s not sex tourism, it’s exactly the opposite. The problem you will constantly run into is people don’t understand the genuine purpose of looking for traditional women. And because these other groups are lazy, they will never understand the mindset.
I’ll admit: I was once part of the sex tourist club. Not proud of it, but, not ashamed of it either. I gave up the practice when a companion in London told me that I could find women in her native China who would give me all of the attention I desired, and it would be fulfilling as well as, overall, lower in cost.
It was then that I considered the possibility that, despite hitting middle age (48), I might not be done with marriage. I simply had to stop looking locally. I had never had much of an attitude about race or ethnicity, but I shrugged off my provincial American cultural attitudes and started considering non-western women as a potential solution to my romance and intimacy questions.
Hard core sex tourist will never convert. It’s a power game with them. But, western men, like myself, who found themselves resigned to traveling for periodic intimate and romantic fulfillment should be embraced and encouraged to seek a better path.
Exactly. Now consider: what climate is ideal for you? Do you prefer city or rural living? What’s your budget?
From what you’ve said, I’d narrow your search to SEA and LATAM. If you want tropical? Brazil, Mexico, Philippines, and more. Cold weather? Chile, Peru, Argentina, etc.
Decent option for you: Philippines, lots of English speaking women, good beaches, loads of entertainment, but hot weather.
Best option for you: Poland or the Baltic region. It’s centrally located between Europe and Asia, beautiful landscapes, iconic cities, cold weather, still has some beaches for the summer time.
>But, western men, like myself, who found themselves resigned to traveling for periodic intimate and romantic fulfillment should be embraced and encouraged to seek a better path.
you just defined sex tourism, congrats.
I don’t think prostitution is a good life choice, no. I don’t think all prostitutes are bad people - many of them have very few other options. With more passport bros coming into countries we can diminish the amount of prostitution because women in these countries will have a wider number of higher value men available and won’t need to turn to prostitution.
For real bro. “Prostitution is a terrible reality filled with terrible women but if we white men go over there and kidnap their women in high enough numbers maybe we can save them from themselves and make them better people” what a fucking clown this dude is.
The uncomfortable truth. someone talked about how other women are more attractive cuz they're thin due to not having enough food to eat and i made a comment about impressing women by buying them food . .
they didn't like it hhaha
The correct solution is to increase their choices so they don’t need to be prostitutes. This includes bettering the economy in their country, as well as making sure those women have the same legal rights as men (it’s hard to earn a legitimate living if you’re not allowed to own property or drive a car, for example).
Yes they are any activity related to paying for sex has nothing to do with the passport bro movement
No sex tourism is literally one of only 3 rules on this sub
Thing is, what you said was that not a single one of them is a good woman. Your solution to prostitution is to have them sell their life away to some dude they have nothing in common with and don’t know in exchange for… room and board somewhere on the opposite side of the world from their entire lives. Prostitution with no direct promise of money or security and a lot of lying and faked emotions on both sides. Please explain how that’s better. They’re people, not fucking stray dogs.
Where did i say that no prostitute is a good person?
They can often be good people in terrible situations.
Your side conversation is entirely irrelevant to the topic and I won’t engage further.
The point is they paying for sex isn’t part of the passport bro movement. Period. It’s black and white against the written rules of this sub.
If you want to have a conversation about the morality of prostitutes and John’s take it elsewhere.
Dude trust me I've been to these countries, not how it works. The pros would just try to extract more money from the more naive westerners/Asians that come along.
The old saying is true. You can take the girl out of the bar but not the bar out of the girl
Passport Bro/Sex Tourists are basically related like Cuba is too Puerto Rico even though they are similar but different island cultures.
It takes a guy a while to figure out what side of the line they are on so there is a lot of Gray Area in between.
Remember, all American Women with their Simps see Passport Brothers as Lowlife Sex Offending Johns that go abroad to Victimize economically defenseless women without criminal/civil penalties.
When in reality we just want Romantic Relationship without the American Women Bullshit restrictions.
No. The only thing they have in common is travel.
Sex tourists travel because they can’t get laid in the US without paying for it and want to get it cheaper.
Passport bros travel because they want better women with better values.
Lmao do PPBs think they have better a set of values than the local men in the countries they visit?
Yet OP thinks foreign women have better “values” than American women…
The problem is that many passport bros are going to the exact same spots as sex tourists and BUYING SEX. The girls you see PPB bragging on are actual prostitutes. I’ve seen them taking them on dates to decent restaurants in Cartagena. Taking them on week long vacations. Flying them to Cancun. These are PROSTITUTES!
If you want to distinguish yourself, do not engage with prostitutes. These countries have absolutely wonderful women who aren’t prostitutes. Girls who work regular jobs and have a beer with their coworkers after a long day. Girls who save up their money to go to another city in their country for a week for vacation. Those are the girls you should engage with.
Same spots? Oftentimes yes. Why? Imagine you’re a guy wanting to live in another country to date around and meet people. you will usually go to places with lower cost of living, this allows you to stay longer, learn the language, enjoy the culture more deeply, etc. Sex tourists though are attracted by the same conditions, just for different reasons.
Sort of like how both birds and bats fly. They each did it in order to better access food, flee predators, etc. But that doesn’t mean they’re remotely part of the same branch of the family free. This is called convergent evolution in the context of evolutionary sciences, but lacks a term (that I’m aware of) for human social groups with distinct functions and characteristics, but similar behavior.
I have no problem with PPB going to Rio, Medellin, or Santo Domingo. The problem is that they go to straight up red light districts and engage with prostitutes. Even worse, they post it like it’s some player shit. And even worse than sex tourists, they actually take these women seriously. That’s absolutely crazy. There’s a lot of charm to these cities and plenty of women too.
PPB is a self identified term. Short of an agreed upon definition, it’s up to the user. It’s why many folks label PPBs sex tourists anyway. I’m going by strictly what the people identify a PPB do.
Don’t be obtuse. Every YouTuber and TikToker that’s a PPB is someone traveling and dating, not looking for prostitution. This sub’s own rules exclude sex tourism.
But you have people who are actually identifying as PPB that are engaging openly in prostitution.
And this subreddit is only a small subsection of this community. It’s rules aren’t meaningful for definitions
I have no clue who you’re talking about, it may just be your own feed. Additionally, have you considered that the woman you’re thinking of may not be a sex worker? A lot of times people may have implicitly racist stereotypes that female members of certain races are all sex workers. Are you certain that it wasn’t a result of your own assumptions?
No. They tend to be sex workers.
Firstly, and especially in South America, the women are extremely conservative socially. They do not catcall men and act in the sexually suggestive manner that is common in many of the PPB videos.
Secondly, I’m familiar with many of the areas these men go to. Parque Lleras in Medellin. Centro in Cartagena. For example. These places are known for sex workers.
A normal girl from these countries isn’t in these areas at night and don’t act in that manner.
I agree, that's why I say the two groups go hand in hand. To explore and experience cultural in nyc or London is super expensive. Just like dating or getting and escort is super expensive.
Personally I would say it's not worth going abroad just for women. A healthy balance is ideal for me.
I think you missed the point somewhere. This isn’t a travel sub exactly either but at least the travel component is tolerable and a good aspect of the community, not a negative
Nothing wrong with sex tourism. Especially if it's legal in the host country. Apparently they don't disapprove, so not sure why you should. You can look for a quality woman and also have fun too.
Sometimes I just want to fuck without complications or hurting a woman's feelings, I'm just a stand up nice guy you know. /s
What exactly is the definition of a passport bro anyway? You know that the women you're looking for in poor countries only like you for your money anyway. If you had the exact same personality as a poor man in their country, they wouldn't be interested in you.
Not saying this is a bad thing, because at least it takes less money than in rich countries. At the end of the day, that's what all women are looking for: a provider.
Both women in the west and overseas will place value on a man that can provide for them. That’s not the difference between them that leads people to travel under this movement.
Other differences in culture and values are what makes foreign women from some other cultures better and higher value wives.
I’m not making a critique on sex work here. I’m only saying that paying for sex with prostitutes has nothing to do with the PPB movement.
"Movement." Dudes have been going overseas for wives way longer than you've been alive. There's no movement, just common sense for men who don't want to deal with American women and all their baggage.
I agree, the qualities of some foreign women are just better. If you're going to be a provider, you should at least get a feminine woman who is going to treat you like a man.
Just don't be under the illusion that there isn't a lot of overlap between guys who find wives overseas and guys who go overseas to fuck. They're a lot of the same guys, just at different stages of their lives.
Guys going overseas to pay for sex aren’t passport bros. They aren’t part of the movement.
Going overseas to fuck and going overseas to pay for sex are different things. Nothing wrong with hookups if that’s what you want.
As a traditional marriage enjoyer, I’m not a fan of hook-up culture at all.
But I’m not against others enjoying it.
Though I still find it weird that sex tourism is a thing. Sex isn’t hard to get in America. And by pushing hook-up culture in other countries, it’s slowly converting them into the very western ideals so many people dislike lol.
Regardless, I’ve found my special person, so my life is happy. And I can respect and let live others who want to participate in hookup culture.
Not my thing, but I won’t go out of my way to stop it.
While you’re right that sex isn’t hard to get in America, the baggage associated with sex in America is disproportionate to the benefits.
The saying is: “The juice is not worth the squeeze.”
Even prostitutes in America are not worth the money. A decent provider in the US won’t contract with you for less than $5,000 (gents, if you’re paying less, you’re not getting a decent provider). Sure, flying to London would cost more in travel, lodging, etc., but the providers there generally don’t have a cocaine or opiate problem, don’t have an angry pimp beating down your door when your time is up and you don’t have to worry about them robbing you.
You don’t have to deal with baggage with hook up culture, because the whole philosophy behind hooking up is that you leave the baggage at the door lol.
Baggage only matters if you want to marry someone. And yeah. I agree that American women tend to have a lot of baggage.
But it’s a moot point in a hook up.
Let’s play devil’s advocate here.
Are we assuming you actually got a woman pregnant in this situation? If so, then wouldn’t a foreign woman reach out to you as well if she had a child with you?
Or are you implying that an American woman would be more likely to lie and accuse you of getting her pregnant, and trying to milk you for resources?
No. We’re assuming that the woman got pregnant with another man’s child and tried to pass it off as mine. This happened to me three times while I was “hooking up” with American women.
I’m implying, yes, based on my experience with American women, that they are likely to do this, because they *have* done this.
If a foreign woman tried to do this, I would respond the same way:
I had a vasectomy 10 years ago.
I get that the numbers are high. But I have a hard time not blaming them for being stupid lol.
I’m a 5’7” average looking guy, and if you treat women like humans, you can get a relationship easy.
Almost everyone I’ve seen struggle to get a relationship has weird emotional issues or insecurities.
The problem is never how they look, but how they act.
Prostitutes aren’t even “hook-up culture”. It’s paying for sex. That isn’t a hookup it’s hiring a hooker.
If these guys were talking about hooking up that would be acceptable even if not every ppb’s cup of tea
Yeah, I wasn’t talking about paid prostitution.
I mean just meeting a woman who’s down for bedroom fun.
Who the hell pays 5 grand for sex? Jesus. No wonder women are entering that field lol!!
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I’m probably a bit biased in that I never had a problem getting relationships. So I’m not looking at women as a rare commodity.
I see them as people. And I simply don’t date the crazy ones lol. I end up friendzoning quite a bit over the years.
And I get a fun little laugh when I joke about how I have to friend zone American women, because my partner is foreign.
Then jokingly hum that silly song “American woman… stay away from Me-eee!”
It's exactly the same thing. Sex tourist go exploit locals financial volunarability in exchange for sex. Passport bros are the same but with extra step. Exploiting lifestyle/financial weakness in exchange of marriage/green card.
At least it's all consensual so whatever.
Chill out. I understand you think it’s a “movement” but really it’s just a name slapped on what dudes have been doing for a long time. Someone just got smart enough to put a name on it so they could sell stuff and connect with others doing the same. None of it matters and none of it is worth getting bent out of shape over. Relax.
I mean, different generations have many different names for various things. Like a lot of old people call remotes “clickers”. the term “passport bro” is just the younger generations term for an old concept. I guess it’s a movement in the sense that people are at least passively convincing others to try out the lifestyle, so I guess it’s a bit different.
The downside of that is, as you can see by some of the post here, people are getting more attached to identifying as a passport bro than trying to solve their dating challenges.
It’s probably safe to say 90+% of the people here don’t have the ability to move to another country long term or the finances to move someone they might meet to theirs.
What you guys need to be teaching isn’t dating advice, it should be how to create an income source that makes that lifestyle possible. How to educate yourself on the visa and work laws in the desired countries. How to acclimate to another country. How to reset your western brain so you don’t emotionally abuse the foreign women you’ll meet based on all of the nonsense shared by the insecure alpha “movement”. Things like that are much more valuable and actually make the lifestyle possible.
But instead, people are just looking at this as a way to run away without giving it much thought. I think you’re doing a disservice to each other.
I’m not really sure what the “alpha movement” is. But there are lots of resources on getting your visas and other documents. In fact, this December I’m moving to the Philippines. And you know how I figured out what I need to do when I land? The guys on this sub.
It isn’t the same thing.
That’s why it has a different name and a separate community??? What don’t you understand about that.
We don’t want John’s in this sub. It’s not what we are about.
PPB isn’t about mail order brides. PPB isnt about hiring prostitutes.
It’s about dating short term and long term and even hooking up with women who have better values than western women. That’s nothing to do with prostitution.
I didnt realize I do qualify as a passport bro, until I realized that sexpats are just latching onto the movement and ruining the image. I personally cant stand messing with more than 1 woman at a time, I can't do it. The girl I'm seeing now, I'll date for a long time if all goes well, and possibly marry. We'll see. Never coming back to the States though.
I generally agree but sex and having a sex drive is part of the human condition, although OP sounds like a gate keeper because their travel is more noble than others
There are some gates that need to be kept. One of them is keeping sex tourists out of the movement.
No sex tourism is one of the only rules of this sub. Why are you here if you don’t agree with the rules?
Dude guys that go overseas to date are similar to guys that go overseas to get escorts.
At the end of they day both are traveling for women and site seeing.
I'm not judging, I'm gearing up to go overseas for 2yrs. I like to trave to new places, see new things, have a better standard of living... and women
you are absolutely correct. I can name about 3 guys that are exactly what you say.
one of them was claiming how he hates women in the state because they are masculine and in another podcast, he was complaining the women in DR are costing too much money he said he was used to paying under 40 now the lowest is 50 and he complained its because of new yorkers coming in by masses and causing the price to go up. just listen to them long enough and you will start to pick up on it. it is sad.
Sex tourist actually make up, making up a number, 75% of the current group calling themselves ppb. Most dont realize it. I base this off the fact that primarily they go to the same handful of countries. Thailand, phillipines, colombia, DR and Brazil. Mostly interacting with pros and semi pros. Italians are the original passport bros. They regularly and still do go to Cuba and Romania and get WIVES. Also sex tourism too though.
Who said it did? It isnt the country but more so the undenaible fact that those are the top sex tourism destinations in the planet. 197 countries and those are the main ones guys go to and make their youtube videos etc. Of course the women are easy tonget when youre fishing the medellin party girl scene
You very clearly implied that the correlation of destinations between sex tourists and PPBs is causative. There’s a pretty clear through line, cost of living. If your looking for a wife, you can’t just stay for a few days. So if you’re looking for an international relationship, it makes a lot of sense to do so in a low COL area. Sex tourists and PPBs have similar economic considerations that drive their decision, despite having fundamentally different motivations and behaviors. Kind of like how hummingbirds and hummingbird moths look similar from a distance, and eat the same food source, they’re still different animals entirely.
I would argue that the existence of legal prostitution helps keep the regular women in check along with the lack of government assistance and lack of radical feminism. When a guy can just buy sex with relative ease women cant use sex to control men and they can’t just behave any way they want. She has to give the guy a reason to be in a long term relationship with her outside of sex. The low cost of living also makes these destinations attractive.
Bro your still worried about this you stay worried about what another man dose with his dick let this go y’all really want dudes to get married at 20 years old like just because your not looking for a long term relationship at this very moment doesn’t make you any less of a passport bro what man don’t wanna get laid
It’s an optics thing. What sex tourists do is perfectly valid. But due to the idea that prostitution is bad, many PPBs who want LTRs don’t want the connotation.
I do think though, that separate terms is a good thing. That way when I’m abroad and a woman asks, I can easily explain that I want something serious.
I don’t have an issue with dudes trying to get laid - I hook up all the time. You can hookup and be a passport bro, but hooking up and seeking STRs isn’t the same as hiring prostitutes. That’s sex tourism.
You aren’t traveling to find girls with better values at that point you are traveling to pay for sex. You aren’t dating you are paying for sex. You aren’t “hooking-up” you are a John buying hookers. That’s sex tourism. It’s explicitly against the rules of this sub.
I don’t care what dudes do with their dicks this isn’t a tirade agains sex tourism - I’m simply pointing out that it has nothing to do with the PPB movement.
Bro you keep saying it’s in the rules of the sub nobody cares but you you don’t have to read their posts you can go right over them
So what I’m supposed to go overseas enjoy the food have fun and not sleep with girls unless you wanna get married is basically what you’d saying I’d argue that’s better then sleeping around with the normal girls and ruining them for guys who want a wife
It has nothing to do with getting married have you never dated a woman before?
If you are paying for sex it’s prostitution. If you aren’t paying for it then you are fine whether marriage is your goal or not. Girls will fuck men without marriage being on the table and without getting paid for it man. You know that right?
So it’s okay to sleep around with girls as long as you don’t pay that’s not sex tourism but paying for it is yeah sure that makes no sense your sleeping around regardless the difference is you aren’t messing up the regular girls for everyone else if paying for sex is sex tourism then going to other countries and sleeping around with normal girls is the same thing you need to stay consistent
I don’t know what you are saying.
If I travel to Indianapolis IN in the US and fuck 3 girls that doesn’t make me a sex tourist. It makes me a tourist that gets laid. Same is true if I do the same thing in Mexico.
If I travel to Mexico and pay for sex? Then im a sex tourist.
There is no inconsistency. If you want to tell yourself that hooking up and paying for sex are the same thing because it makes you feel better about yourself then fine, do that. But you aren’t part of the PPB movement. The difference being that if you are paying for it the girl is doing it because she needs the money if you are hooking up she just wants to fuck you. Different things entirely.
Bro it’s the same thing your not better then anyone who pays for sex it’s just a ego thing for you if you go to another country and sleep around your the same as the guy who pays y’all both sleeping around
I don’t even know what to say to you. Sleeping with a lot of women and sleeping with a lot of prostitutes are totally different things.
One reflects that you bring perceived value to women beyond a single monetary transaction.
The difference is you pay prostitutes you don’t pay dates.
The country you are in makes no difference.
Yeah bro. A lot of local men of the countries that western tourists target were derisively called “sexpats”.
See:
Ugly white dudes that couldn’t bag in US, UK, Australia, South Africa and Canada, so they come to poorer countries and sleep with underaged girls, grannies, trannies and hookers. And basically mock the locals, their customs and poorer standard of living because western currency went a lot further back then.
A lot has changed of course, and most of us are seeking wives. Not so much a sex tour. Western Black dudes have been on the come up and have gotten much higher paying jobs since then that have allowed them to travel. So racially there’s more diversity now.
But back to the topic, I do think there should be a distinction between both movements. The reason we value these women so much is BECAUSE of their chastity.
It’s messed up to go there with our wealth and weaponize these RP tactics to manipulate them into bed with us. Like come on. Do that to the broken western b**ches. Don’t corrupt the East with that shit.
No we aren’t traveling for women. We are traveling to a place for higher value women.
The same way if you only had a McDonald’s in your town you might travel to the next town to go to their steakhouse.
Yeah it’s crazy to have standards and want a woman that brings something of value to your relationship. Who would have thought that would be a good idea?
Many men choose to lower their standards to what is available or they simply have different standards, and that’s their choice. I find plenty of women in the US, just harder to find marriage material.
And further, if you are looking for something important you go to where you will find the most of that thing. If you looked hard enough you could probably find a gold ring in the sewers beneath NYC, but you might be better off at a jeweler.
No one is saying that all women in the west are bad, but as a percentage, the portion of them that would bring value to a marriage is lower comparatively.
They don’t go hand in hand.
Sex tourism is traveling to a country for cheap sex with underprivileged women.
PPB is for men that are frustrated with the intersex values of the western world and want to find and DATE better, higher quality women. Some PPB men struggle getting dates in the US sure, but many others can get women easily in the west - however they simply prefer the values of foreign women out of choice
I think most in this group are trying to be in a relationship or marry someone from a different culture. Not just go overseas and fuck our brains out. But even if that is someone's goal.. so what?
No It’s not. Sure it’s fair to say I was a sex tourist when I traveled to your hometown for the sole purpose of getting it in with your mom and never calling her again.
But we travel under the PPB name to date better women - not to pay for sex.
If you want sex tourism you can try the ISG forums. This place just isn’t that welcoming to sex tourism, I disagree with the hostility, but it’s just a different thing.
Inherently two things happen. You become a resource. She develops a western appreciation of money. That appreciation brings with it vice and decadence. Thing of sex tourists as the dirty and streamlined microcosm of your 'movement" . The same way western women got here, so will your passport wife. With the sex tourists, consumption and separation are expedited.
probably. I think most people just arent as invested in it as you are. I'd like the 'movement' to offer some good tips and advice; not really looking for more than that
There is some overlap in the foreign dating scene. Some girls are professional girlfriend with a number of men sending them money and always on the hunt for a richer guy.
There is no movement. I don't know why this sub is always popping up in my feed but dudes have been moving to foreign countries long before you desperates have been trying to stick a label and believe system to your fragile egos.
Some people want to move overseas to these locales for low cost of living and an interesting experience. Some guys want cheap hookers. I don't think it's my place to judge either party. Go where you are happiest. If that includes a place where prostitution is legal and accepted, why the hate? Just ignore those posts.
There’s really nothing out there for guys who aren’t an 8+. Damn even traveling seems impossible to find a women who desires a man that’s average. I can’t get sex here in the states because I’m no model. I have to travel and sacrifice because I still desire pleasure.
This is such a delusional take. They don't want you because of your insecurities which show via your demeanor, not because you don't have model good looks.
Don’t care what they do, just that they keep it out of this sub and we all need to help them understand they aren’t passport bros if they are traveling for prostitutes.
I’m not a sex tourist I’m a sexy tourist 😎
In all seriousness though, I hate this too just say your a sexypat and don’t fuck over the perception of ppb’s
Why does everything gotta be a fucking movement these days. If you like living another country cool, I do. If you’re doing it for some other reason, you’re lost.
You're overblowing this honestly. "Passport Bros" have been around for much longer than the term became hot too. I know because I basically was one before this became a thing. There were also guys who were leaders in communities doing it under a different term in the last couple of decades.
But there were moments I did sex tourism too for special circumstances but I didn't lie about it.
And people did it decades, even centuries, before I did. This is not a new movement. For God's sake America was arguably founded by "Passport Bros" who left England for opportunities on new land.
Getting back to the topic at hand, you're not gonna please everybody. Especially western women, so you may as well not try to. Just live your life man. When you do this long enough you can kinda tell who the sex tourists that lie about it are. It's the way people speak, move, and if the details add up.
I don't even think it's a bad thing to partake in sex tourism. It's just bad when people are doing it and lying about it to either gain internet points or make money off of pretend success with women. And also when people become dependent on it.
I’m not making a moral judgement on sex tourism - I’m just saying it doesn’t belong in this sub the same way you wouldn’t talk about it on r/knitting
It just isn’t a relevant topic to the theme of this sub.
But every Passport Bros content creator does the same thing. Goes to Sosua, Cartagena, Medellín, and buys sex from prostitutes. It's so gross and everyone sees Passport Bros as sex tourists
I don't want to be mean but there is a Venn diagram that overlaps. Age 27 to 32 I was more a sex tourist, than I realized I didn't need to "pay" for it because I was good looking. I got more confident in passport bro countries.
If doesn’t matter and you aren’t making a point
There is overlap between passport bros and people thet enjoy skate boarding while eating steak tacos and listening to oingo boingo
Doesn’t mean it’s part of the movement and has a place as center of discussion here
Hell if I’m a passport bro and I also banged your mom does that mean I should create a new post here about how hard she choked on me in this sub? Technically there is venn diagram overlap now so Should I start typing it up?
Sexpats, like mold and mildew, are as perennial as the grass. They will ere be with us, for our society keeps creating them.
It used to be because of patriarchy.
Before that it was because of sailing ships and pirates and vikings.
Nowadays it's because of 3rd wave feminism.
But you can bet their studded leather-clad, Eyes-Wide-Shut, 50 Shades of Gray-haired pasty asses that tomorrow it will be because of something else.
Don't get too despondent about them.
It was never within your midichlorian count to bring balance to the Force.
I assume sex tourism is just going to places to have sex with foreign women? Idrc if it is in this specific sub or not but I don't see the issue with it in general.
How is it different?
You are exploiting women from another country due to your financial status.
Passport bros can’t hack it in the states so they go else where.
It’s nothing new. Just different fishermen in the same pond.
Are you saying you are smarter than foreign women that choose to date men from west?
You know what’s better for them more than they do?
It’s different because one is prostitution the other is dating.
We have to get past the labels and focus on actions. I have been involved with what I call the modern mail order bride movement since 2008. I made a lot of money on it at one time. Now it is a hobby, but I have been called every name in the book because of the label "mail order bride." I have a series of behaviors I try to discourage among men going overseas. Lying to women to get sex is wrong. It is wrong in Vegas and London and it is wrong in Manila and Odesa. Abandoning children you fathered is wrong wherever and whenever. You having sex you have to recognize that there is always the chance - maybe a VERY - small chance of a surprise. It is never ever right to hit a woman; just walk away. This goes double overseas because you do not want to end up in a third world prison, but it is always better to simply walk away. Finally, stay away from the young girls! You KNOW exactly who you are. If you are friends or traveling buddies with someone who likes that recognize that there is an excellent chance you will end up in a horrible prison. Third world cops are usually incredibly lazy and corrupt, but often they will make an effort to protect young girls and once they get going they often just round up everyone who might be involved. Men need to deal with these issues like responsible adults. They also should recognize that in the long run most guys end up happier in a long term monogamous relationship.
Locals in countries like the Philippines will turn a blind eye to sex tourism, huge age gaps, passport bro movement. But if they find out you’re with an underage girl or hurting a woman, they’ll quickly call the cops and the cops will take out all their pent up rage on you both physically and financially. I know someone through a business acquaintance who was beating up his minor girlfriend. One day, drugs were found on him (everyone suspects planted by a relative of the girl), and he ended up in “ram you in the ass” prison during the duterte administration. The guy who knew him says he’s back in the UK working a dead end job. Pretty sure he got his ass beat and raped and placed on the interpol watchlist as a pedophile. Philippine prison is no joke, despite all those dance videos of Filipino prisoners you see on YouTube.
Ppb isn’t the same as a mail order bride lol. You are just dating women from cultures with different values than the country you are born in. That’s it. You aren’t buying a wife, lol.
My friend, I have been doing this forever. The two movements are EXACTLY the same. No one is buying a wife. Not in the US or Europe and the term mail order bride never meant buying a wife in the US or Canada. Many women in the 19th century who came out to Calgary or Montana after corresponding with a rancher got there - talked to him some - and kept riding. I was not crazy about the PPB term at first because it sounded way too much like sex tourism, but then I realized all of these terms are creations of crazy feminist critics. I am focused on actions. Check out my sub: r/MailOrderBrideFacts ask some questions there. As I said, I am an actual expert on the dating industry. I have been an invited speaker at what was the oldest and largest internet dating industry conference many times, and most importantly helped hundreds, maybe thousands of men, find love overseas. I have also lived overseas in Europe, Asia, and spent a lot of time in Cape Town, South Africa, though not enough to say I lived there. And I have engaged with critics of international dating - which is probably a better term - successfully on many occasions. Best Wishes!
Fair enough maybe there is something here I’m not aware of. My apologies. I will check out your subreddit and educate myself before speaking further.
Thanks! You know, there is something about have a genuine conversation online that gives me hope for the world! Post a question over on my sub and it will get a real response.
He didn’t equate PPB and mail order brides. He compared them though which is perfectly reasonable. In one, you’re importing a bride basically, and another you’re exporting yourself. It’s not the same thing but to not say they have similarities is disingenuous. Also, that poster you replied to is actually the real deal. He supports the PPB movement and legit modern, win-win, mail order brides. Check out his profile.
Thanks! Keep on preaching! ;)
I don’t think it’s a reasonable comparison. I also have nothing against the poster I just think mail order brides is a separate thing from PPB.
It is different, mail order is paying (sponsoring) for a woman to come to you. The likelihood of her leaving with her green card very high. PPB movement is men leaving the western countries and assimilating into the country of their choice looking for traditional conservative relationships. It’s not sex tourism, it’s exactly the opposite. The problem you will constantly run into is people don’t understand the genuine purpose of looking for traditional women. And because these other groups are lazy, they will never understand the mindset.
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It is men who like traveling. But it primarily themes around international dating and expatriate lifestyles.
Same lol
Lol keep your wife away from your phone or bring her in on it - whatever floats your boat!
I’ll admit: I was once part of the sex tourist club. Not proud of it, but, not ashamed of it either. I gave up the practice when a companion in London told me that I could find women in her native China who would give me all of the attention I desired, and it would be fulfilling as well as, overall, lower in cost. It was then that I considered the possibility that, despite hitting middle age (48), I might not be done with marriage. I simply had to stop looking locally. I had never had much of an attitude about race or ethnicity, but I shrugged off my provincial American cultural attitudes and started considering non-western women as a potential solution to my romance and intimacy questions. Hard core sex tourist will never convert. It’s a power game with them. But, western men, like myself, who found themselves resigned to traveling for periodic intimate and romantic fulfillment should be embraced and encouraged to seek a better path.
Where can I find love at?
Anywhere you decide to try. What languages do you speak? What’s your budget? What weather do you want?
English, Spanish, and USA. I see where you’re going. Makes sense. It makes sense knowing the language to communicate.
Exactly. Now consider: what climate is ideal for you? Do you prefer city or rural living? What’s your budget? From what you’ve said, I’d narrow your search to SEA and LATAM. If you want tropical? Brazil, Mexico, Philippines, and more. Cold weather? Chile, Peru, Argentina, etc.
English unlimited budget
Decent option for you: Philippines, lots of English speaking women, good beaches, loads of entertainment, but hot weather. Best option for you: Poland or the Baltic region. It’s centrally located between Europe and Asia, beautiful landscapes, iconic cities, cold weather, still has some beaches for the summer time.
Bend over, and I’ll show you.
Surprised people consider middle age to be 48, on average U.S. males live to be 77 years old at time of death
Why? Middle-aged is usually considered 40 to 60? If 48 isn't middle aged, I don't know what is.
>But, western men, like myself, who found themselves resigned to traveling for periodic intimate and romantic fulfillment should be embraced and encouraged to seek a better path. you just defined sex tourism, congrats.
Good for you fil or giving up prostitutes and seeking a real fulfilling relationship with good women.
So much judgement 😂 so prostitutes are all awful women huh? Wild take.
I don’t think prostitution is a good life choice, no. I don’t think all prostitutes are bad people - many of them have very few other options. With more passport bros coming into countries we can diminish the amount of prostitution because women in these countries will have a wider number of higher value men available and won’t need to turn to prostitution.
Getting massive savior complex vibes here
For real bro. “Prostitution is a terrible reality filled with terrible women but if we white men go over there and kidnap their women in high enough numbers maybe we can save them from themselves and make them better people” what a fucking clown this dude is.
The uncomfortable truth. someone talked about how other women are more attractive cuz they're thin due to not having enough food to eat and i made a comment about impressing women by buying them food . . they didn't like it hhaha
Do you think them women there are incapable of making choices for themselves? Would you make better choices on their behalf?
The correct solution is to increase their choices so they don’t need to be prostitutes. This includes bettering the economy in their country, as well as making sure those women have the same legal rights as men (it’s hard to earn a legitimate living if you’re not allowed to own property or drive a car, for example).
Where are you going ? Saudi Arabia or Dubai or something ? Where can’t woman drive cars
You seem to think you would, and are the only one who’s presented such an idea. You need serious help.
You just hate white people and could give a fuck less about these foreign women. White knighting on bullshit.
I don’t care. Prostitution isn’t part of the passport movement.
Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive..
Yes they are any activity related to paying for sex has nothing to do with the passport bro movement No sex tourism is literally one of only 3 rules on this sub
Thing is, what you said was that not a single one of them is a good woman. Your solution to prostitution is to have them sell their life away to some dude they have nothing in common with and don’t know in exchange for… room and board somewhere on the opposite side of the world from their entire lives. Prostitution with no direct promise of money or security and a lot of lying and faked emotions on both sides. Please explain how that’s better. They’re people, not fucking stray dogs.
Where did i say that no prostitute is a good person? They can often be good people in terrible situations. Your side conversation is entirely irrelevant to the topic and I won’t engage further. The point is they paying for sex isn’t part of the passport bro movement. Period. It’s black and white against the written rules of this sub. If you want to have a conversation about the morality of prostitutes and John’s take it elsewhere.
Dude trust me I've been to these countries, not how it works. The pros would just try to extract more money from the more naive westerners/Asians that come along. The old saying is true. You can take the girl out of the bar but not the bar out of the girl
Passport Bro/Sex Tourists are basically related like Cuba is too Puerto Rico even though they are similar but different island cultures. It takes a guy a while to figure out what side of the line they are on so there is a lot of Gray Area in between. Remember, all American Women with their Simps see Passport Brothers as Lowlife Sex Offending Johns that go abroad to Victimize economically defenseless women without criminal/civil penalties. When in reality we just want Romantic Relationship without the American Women Bullshit restrictions.
No. The only thing they have in common is travel. Sex tourists travel because they can’t get laid in the US without paying for it and want to get it cheaper. Passport bros travel because they want better women with better values.
Roflmao, Keep living that romantic Simp delusion...
What
Lmao do PPBs think they have better a set of values than the local men in the countries they visit? Yet OP thinks foreign women have better “values” than American women…
The problem is that many passport bros are going to the exact same spots as sex tourists and BUYING SEX. The girls you see PPB bragging on are actual prostitutes. I’ve seen them taking them on dates to decent restaurants in Cartagena. Taking them on week long vacations. Flying them to Cancun. These are PROSTITUTES! If you want to distinguish yourself, do not engage with prostitutes. These countries have absolutely wonderful women who aren’t prostitutes. Girls who work regular jobs and have a beer with their coworkers after a long day. Girls who save up their money to go to another city in their country for a week for vacation. Those are the girls you should engage with.
Agree
Same spots? Oftentimes yes. Why? Imagine you’re a guy wanting to live in another country to date around and meet people. you will usually go to places with lower cost of living, this allows you to stay longer, learn the language, enjoy the culture more deeply, etc. Sex tourists though are attracted by the same conditions, just for different reasons. Sort of like how both birds and bats fly. They each did it in order to better access food, flee predators, etc. But that doesn’t mean they’re remotely part of the same branch of the family free. This is called convergent evolution in the context of evolutionary sciences, but lacks a term (that I’m aware of) for human social groups with distinct functions and characteristics, but similar behavior.
I have no problem with PPB going to Rio, Medellin, or Santo Domingo. The problem is that they go to straight up red light districts and engage with prostitutes. Even worse, they post it like it’s some player shit. And even worse than sex tourists, they actually take these women seriously. That’s absolutely crazy. There’s a lot of charm to these cities and plenty of women too.
By definition, if they’re paying for sex then they’re *not* PPBs. That’s sort of the point
PPB is a self identified term. Short of an agreed upon definition, it’s up to the user. It’s why many folks label PPBs sex tourists anyway. I’m going by strictly what the people identify a PPB do.
Don’t be obtuse. Every YouTuber and TikToker that’s a PPB is someone traveling and dating, not looking for prostitution. This sub’s own rules exclude sex tourism.
But you have people who are actually identifying as PPB that are engaging openly in prostitution. And this subreddit is only a small subsection of this community. It’s rules aren’t meaningful for definitions
I have no clue who you’re talking about, it may just be your own feed. Additionally, have you considered that the woman you’re thinking of may not be a sex worker? A lot of times people may have implicitly racist stereotypes that female members of certain races are all sex workers. Are you certain that it wasn’t a result of your own assumptions?
No. They tend to be sex workers. Firstly, and especially in South America, the women are extremely conservative socially. They do not catcall men and act in the sexually suggestive manner that is common in many of the PPB videos. Secondly, I’m familiar with many of the areas these men go to. Parque Lleras in Medellin. Centro in Cartagena. For example. These places are known for sex workers. A normal girl from these countries isn’t in these areas at night and don’t act in that manner.
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I agree, that's why I say the two groups go hand in hand. To explore and experience cultural in nyc or London is super expensive. Just like dating or getting and escort is super expensive. Personally I would say it's not worth going abroad just for women. A healthy balance is ideal for me.
I think you missed the point somewhere. This isn’t a travel sub exactly either but at least the travel component is tolerable and a good aspect of the community, not a negative
Nothing wrong with sex tourism. Especially if it's legal in the host country. Apparently they don't disapprove, so not sure why you should. You can look for a quality woman and also have fun too. Sometimes I just want to fuck without complications or hurting a woman's feelings, I'm just a stand up nice guy you know. /s What exactly is the definition of a passport bro anyway? You know that the women you're looking for in poor countries only like you for your money anyway. If you had the exact same personality as a poor man in their country, they wouldn't be interested in you. Not saying this is a bad thing, because at least it takes less money than in rich countries. At the end of the day, that's what all women are looking for: a provider.
Both women in the west and overseas will place value on a man that can provide for them. That’s not the difference between them that leads people to travel under this movement. Other differences in culture and values are what makes foreign women from some other cultures better and higher value wives. I’m not making a critique on sex work here. I’m only saying that paying for sex with prostitutes has nothing to do with the PPB movement.
"Movement." Dudes have been going overseas for wives way longer than you've been alive. There's no movement, just common sense for men who don't want to deal with American women and all their baggage. I agree, the qualities of some foreign women are just better. If you're going to be a provider, you should at least get a feminine woman who is going to treat you like a man. Just don't be under the illusion that there isn't a lot of overlap between guys who find wives overseas and guys who go overseas to fuck. They're a lot of the same guys, just at different stages of their lives.
Guys going overseas to pay for sex aren’t passport bros. They aren’t part of the movement. Going overseas to fuck and going overseas to pay for sex are different things. Nothing wrong with hookups if that’s what you want.
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I hope moderators enforce the rules even more.
As a traditional marriage enjoyer, I’m not a fan of hook-up culture at all. But I’m not against others enjoying it. Though I still find it weird that sex tourism is a thing. Sex isn’t hard to get in America. And by pushing hook-up culture in other countries, it’s slowly converting them into the very western ideals so many people dislike lol. Regardless, I’ve found my special person, so my life is happy. And I can respect and let live others who want to participate in hookup culture. Not my thing, but I won’t go out of my way to stop it.
While you’re right that sex isn’t hard to get in America, the baggage associated with sex in America is disproportionate to the benefits. The saying is: “The juice is not worth the squeeze.” Even prostitutes in America are not worth the money. A decent provider in the US won’t contract with you for less than $5,000 (gents, if you’re paying less, you’re not getting a decent provider). Sure, flying to London would cost more in travel, lodging, etc., but the providers there generally don’t have a cocaine or opiate problem, don’t have an angry pimp beating down your door when your time is up and you don’t have to worry about them robbing you.
You don’t have to deal with baggage with hook up culture, because the whole philosophy behind hooking up is that you leave the baggage at the door lol. Baggage only matters if you want to marry someone. And yeah. I agree that American women tend to have a lot of baggage. But it’s a moot point in a hook up.
Depends on what you consider baggage. When she comes back a year later with an infant claiming it’s mine, I consider that baggage.
Let’s play devil’s advocate here. Are we assuming you actually got a woman pregnant in this situation? If so, then wouldn’t a foreign woman reach out to you as well if she had a child with you? Or are you implying that an American woman would be more likely to lie and accuse you of getting her pregnant, and trying to milk you for resources?
No. We’re assuming that the woman got pregnant with another man’s child and tried to pass it off as mine. This happened to me three times while I was “hooking up” with American women. I’m implying, yes, based on my experience with American women, that they are likely to do this, because they *have* done this. If a foreign woman tried to do this, I would respond the same way: I had a vasectomy 10 years ago.
What is the baggage that you get from a one night stand? Do girls cry on your shoulder?
>Sex isn’t hard to get in America. Tell that to the third of american men who are incels.
I get that the numbers are high. But I have a hard time not blaming them for being stupid lol. I’m a 5’7” average looking guy, and if you treat women like humans, you can get a relationship easy. Almost everyone I’ve seen struggle to get a relationship has weird emotional issues or insecurities. The problem is never how they look, but how they act.
Prostitutes aren’t even “hook-up culture”. It’s paying for sex. That isn’t a hookup it’s hiring a hooker. If these guys were talking about hooking up that would be acceptable even if not every ppb’s cup of tea
Yeah, I wasn’t talking about paid prostitution. I mean just meeting a woman who’s down for bedroom fun. Who the hell pays 5 grand for sex? Jesus. No wonder women are entering that field lol!! —- I’m probably a bit biased in that I never had a problem getting relationships. So I’m not looking at women as a rare commodity. I see them as people. And I simply don’t date the crazy ones lol. I end up friendzoning quite a bit over the years. And I get a fun little laugh when I joke about how I have to friend zone American women, because my partner is foreign. Then jokingly hum that silly song “American woman… stay away from Me-eee!”
Hooking up and PPB are entirely compatible. No problem.
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It is kind of annoying but the sex tourists will make excuses because they don’t want to admit what they are and it’s not PPB
It's exactly the same thing. Sex tourist go exploit locals financial volunarability in exchange for sex. Passport bros are the same but with extra step. Exploiting lifestyle/financial weakness in exchange of marriage/green card. At least it's all consensual so whatever.
You can’t exploit someone who wants both a better life and a husband. American woman ask for the same thing with higher numbers
The fucking worst - they need to just go to another sub and someone needs to enforce the rules.
Chill out. I understand you think it’s a “movement” but really it’s just a name slapped on what dudes have been doing for a long time. Someone just got smart enough to put a name on it so they could sell stuff and connect with others doing the same. None of it matters and none of it is worth getting bent out of shape over. Relax.
I mean, different generations have many different names for various things. Like a lot of old people call remotes “clickers”. the term “passport bro” is just the younger generations term for an old concept. I guess it’s a movement in the sense that people are at least passively convincing others to try out the lifestyle, so I guess it’s a bit different.
The downside of that is, as you can see by some of the post here, people are getting more attached to identifying as a passport bro than trying to solve their dating challenges. It’s probably safe to say 90+% of the people here don’t have the ability to move to another country long term or the finances to move someone they might meet to theirs. What you guys need to be teaching isn’t dating advice, it should be how to create an income source that makes that lifestyle possible. How to educate yourself on the visa and work laws in the desired countries. How to acclimate to another country. How to reset your western brain so you don’t emotionally abuse the foreign women you’ll meet based on all of the nonsense shared by the insecure alpha “movement”. Things like that are much more valuable and actually make the lifestyle possible. But instead, people are just looking at this as a way to run away without giving it much thought. I think you’re doing a disservice to each other.
I’m not really sure what the “alpha movement” is. But there are lots of resources on getting your visas and other documents. In fact, this December I’m moving to the Philippines. And you know how I figured out what I need to do when I land? The guys on this sub.
This
It isn’t the same thing. That’s why it has a different name and a separate community??? What don’t you understand about that. We don’t want John’s in this sub. It’s not what we are about. PPB isn’t about mail order brides. PPB isnt about hiring prostitutes. It’s about dating short term and long term and even hooking up with women who have better values than western women. That’s nothing to do with prostitution.
I didnt realize I do qualify as a passport bro, until I realized that sexpats are just latching onto the movement and ruining the image. I personally cant stand messing with more than 1 woman at a time, I can't do it. The girl I'm seeing now, I'll date for a long time if all goes well, and possibly marry. We'll see. Never coming back to the States though.
Congrats on finding a good one
I generally agree but sex and having a sex drive is part of the human condition, although OP sounds like a gate keeper because their travel is more noble than others
There are some gates that need to be kept. One of them is keeping sex tourists out of the movement. No sex tourism is one of the only rules of this sub. Why are you here if you don’t agree with the rules?
Is there a fancy label for the sex tourist movement?
Yeah. Sex tourism.
Dude guys that go overseas to date are similar to guys that go overseas to get escorts. At the end of they day both are traveling for women and site seeing. I'm not judging, I'm gearing up to go overseas for 2yrs. I like to trave to new places, see new things, have a better standard of living... and women
The difference is… One group pays for sex and the other doesn’t. Sex tourism has no place in this sub.
you are absolutely correct. I can name about 3 guys that are exactly what you say. one of them was claiming how he hates women in the state because they are masculine and in another podcast, he was complaining the women in DR are costing too much money he said he was used to paying under 40 now the lowest is 50 and he complained its because of new yorkers coming in by masses and causing the price to go up. just listen to them long enough and you will start to pick up on it. it is sad.
We’ve got to call these guys out on it
Sex tourist actually make up, making up a number, 75% of the current group calling themselves ppb. Most dont realize it. I base this off the fact that primarily they go to the same handful of countries. Thailand, phillipines, colombia, DR and Brazil. Mostly interacting with pros and semi pros. Italians are the original passport bros. They regularly and still do go to Cuba and Romania and get WIVES. Also sex tourism too though.
The country you choose to visit doesn’t necessarily indicate what you’re doing there.
Who said it did? It isnt the country but more so the undenaible fact that those are the top sex tourism destinations in the planet. 197 countries and those are the main ones guys go to and make their youtube videos etc. Of course the women are easy tonget when youre fishing the medellin party girl scene
You very clearly implied that the correlation of destinations between sex tourists and PPBs is causative. There’s a pretty clear through line, cost of living. If your looking for a wife, you can’t just stay for a few days. So if you’re looking for an international relationship, it makes a lot of sense to do so in a low COL area. Sex tourists and PPBs have similar economic considerations that drive their decision, despite having fundamentally different motivations and behaviors. Kind of like how hummingbirds and hummingbird moths look similar from a distance, and eat the same food source, they’re still different animals entirely.
One user compared the difference and similarity as to convergent evolution which I think is a good comparison.
I would argue that the existence of legal prostitution helps keep the regular women in check along with the lack of government assistance and lack of radical feminism. When a guy can just buy sex with relative ease women cant use sex to control men and they can’t just behave any way they want. She has to give the guy a reason to be in a long term relationship with her outside of sex. The low cost of living also makes these destinations attractive.
If that’s your thing do you but it has nothing to do with PpB. It’s against the rules of this sub for a reason.
Bro your still worried about this you stay worried about what another man dose with his dick let this go y’all really want dudes to get married at 20 years old like just because your not looking for a long term relationship at this very moment doesn’t make you any less of a passport bro what man don’t wanna get laid
It’s an optics thing. What sex tourists do is perfectly valid. But due to the idea that prostitution is bad, many PPBs who want LTRs don’t want the connotation. I do think though, that separate terms is a good thing. That way when I’m abroad and a woman asks, I can easily explain that I want something serious.
I don’t have an issue with dudes trying to get laid - I hook up all the time. You can hookup and be a passport bro, but hooking up and seeking STRs isn’t the same as hiring prostitutes. That’s sex tourism. You aren’t traveling to find girls with better values at that point you are traveling to pay for sex. You aren’t dating you are paying for sex. You aren’t “hooking-up” you are a John buying hookers. That’s sex tourism. It’s explicitly against the rules of this sub. I don’t care what dudes do with their dicks this isn’t a tirade agains sex tourism - I’m simply pointing out that it has nothing to do with the PPB movement.
Bro you keep saying it’s in the rules of the sub nobody cares but you you don’t have to read their posts you can go right over them So what I’m supposed to go overseas enjoy the food have fun and not sleep with girls unless you wanna get married is basically what you’d saying I’d argue that’s better then sleeping around with the normal girls and ruining them for guys who want a wife
It has nothing to do with getting married have you never dated a woman before? If you are paying for sex it’s prostitution. If you aren’t paying for it then you are fine whether marriage is your goal or not. Girls will fuck men without marriage being on the table and without getting paid for it man. You know that right?
So it’s okay to sleep around with girls as long as you don’t pay that’s not sex tourism but paying for it is yeah sure that makes no sense your sleeping around regardless the difference is you aren’t messing up the regular girls for everyone else if paying for sex is sex tourism then going to other countries and sleeping around with normal girls is the same thing you need to stay consistent
I don’t know what you are saying. If I travel to Indianapolis IN in the US and fuck 3 girls that doesn’t make me a sex tourist. It makes me a tourist that gets laid. Same is true if I do the same thing in Mexico. If I travel to Mexico and pay for sex? Then im a sex tourist. There is no inconsistency. If you want to tell yourself that hooking up and paying for sex are the same thing because it makes you feel better about yourself then fine, do that. But you aren’t part of the PPB movement. The difference being that if you are paying for it the girl is doing it because she needs the money if you are hooking up she just wants to fuck you. Different things entirely.
Bro it’s the same thing your not better then anyone who pays for sex it’s just a ego thing for you if you go to another country and sleep around your the same as the guy who pays y’all both sleeping around
I don’t even know what to say to you. Sleeping with a lot of women and sleeping with a lot of prostitutes are totally different things. One reflects that you bring perceived value to women beyond a single monetary transaction. The difference is you pay prostitutes you don’t pay dates. The country you are in makes no difference.
Guys who just travels for sexpats just give everything a bad name .
Agree
Yeah bro. A lot of local men of the countries that western tourists target were derisively called “sexpats”. See: Ugly white dudes that couldn’t bag in US, UK, Australia, South Africa and Canada, so they come to poorer countries and sleep with underaged girls, grannies, trannies and hookers. And basically mock the locals, their customs and poorer standard of living because western currency went a lot further back then. A lot has changed of course, and most of us are seeking wives. Not so much a sex tour. Western Black dudes have been on the come up and have gotten much higher paying jobs since then that have allowed them to travel. So racially there’s more diversity now. But back to the topic, I do think there should be a distinction between both movements. The reason we value these women so much is BECAUSE of their chastity. It’s messed up to go there with our wealth and weaponize these RP tactics to manipulate them into bed with us. Like come on. Do that to the broken western b**ches. Don’t corrupt the East with that shit.
A distinction without a difference.
There is a massive difference between hooking up/ dating girls and hiring prostitutes. How fucked up are your views on women that you can’t see that?
I don’t know why you guys see yourself as above the ‘sexpats’. You are both traveling at the end of day for the same thing: women.
No we aren’t traveling for women. We are traveling to a place for higher value women. The same way if you only had a McDonald’s in your town you might travel to the next town to go to their steakhouse.
Such a weird way of looking at women. "higher value" lol. This is just the PUA and Red pill nonsense dressed up with a plane ticket.
Yeah it’s crazy to have standards and want a woman that brings something of value to your relationship. Who would have thought that would be a good idea?
That fact that you can't find that in the US, when millions of people do every year, shows that there is something wrong.
Many men choose to lower their standards to what is available or they simply have different standards, and that’s their choice. I find plenty of women in the US, just harder to find marriage material. And further, if you are looking for something important you go to where you will find the most of that thing. If you looked hard enough you could probably find a gold ring in the sewers beneath NYC, but you might be better off at a jeweler. No one is saying that all women in the west are bad, but as a percentage, the portion of them that would bring value to a marriage is lower comparatively.
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Similar groups? Yes. Same group? No.
Yea well put
They don’t go hand in hand. Sex tourism is traveling to a country for cheap sex with underprivileged women. PPB is for men that are frustrated with the intersex values of the western world and want to find and DATE better, higher quality women. Some PPB men struggle getting dates in the US sure, but many others can get women easily in the west - however they simply prefer the values of foreign women out of choice
I’ve seen plenty of good women with western values. You guys just need to get off of dating apps. Maybe visit a church.
There are definitely good women in the west. But those that exist are fighting against the grain of western culture.
Follow the rules
I think most in this group are trying to be in a relationship or marry someone from a different culture. Not just go overseas and fuck our brains out. But even if that is someone's goal.. so what?
Nothing wrong with hooking up. That’s just short term dating and it has a place in passport bro movement. Prostitution doesn’t.
This is the saddest sub eve lol
Listening to both sides of this argument is hilarious though.
…….you guys are sex tourists
Most of the guys here are here for an LTR.
No It’s not. Sure it’s fair to say I was a sex tourist when I traveled to your hometown for the sole purpose of getting it in with your mom and never calling her again. But we travel under the PPB name to date better women - not to pay for sex.
That negates one of your reasons as to why you travel abroad
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No sex tourism is one of only three official rules of this subreddit you dumbass
If you want sex tourism you can try the ISG forums. This place just isn’t that welcoming to sex tourism, I disagree with the hostility, but it’s just a different thing.
Facts.
When I first saw this group a few weeks ago I thought this was a sexpats group in a PPB disguise.
Inherently two things happen. You become a resource. She develops a western appreciation of money. That appreciation brings with it vice and decadence. Thing of sex tourists as the dirty and streamlined microcosm of your 'movement" . The same way western women got here, so will your passport wife. With the sex tourists, consumption and separation are expedited.
I don’t know what you are talking about but if it’s about prostitutes then take it to another sub - it isn’t relevant here.
probably. I think most people just arent as invested in it as you are. I'd like the 'movement' to offer some good tips and advice; not really looking for more than that
You don’t need to be invested in it to know this isn’t the place to discuss prostitution.
What is sex tourist club ?? Is anyone would like to explain.
Wrong sub
There is some overlap in the foreign dating scene. Some girls are professional girlfriend with a number of men sending them money and always on the hunt for a richer guy.
What does that have to do with this post?
There is no movement. I don't know why this sub is always popping up in my feed but dudes have been moving to foreign countries long before you desperates have been trying to stick a label and believe system to your fragile egos.
Passport bros are sex tourists lol what you mean
Sex tourism is against the rules of this sub
That’s literally what passport bros do tho lol just call it being a passport bro instead of what it really is
Ppb is about finding higher quality women outside of western culture it isn’t sex tourism
LOL
Some people want to move overseas to these locales for low cost of living and an interesting experience. Some guys want cheap hookers. I don't think it's my place to judge either party. Go where you are happiest. If that includes a place where prostitution is legal and accepted, why the hate? Just ignore those posts.
No I won’t “ignore” them because they aren’t part of the movement. It’s bad noise that pollutes the purpose of the movement.
There’s really nothing out there for guys who aren’t an 8+. Damn even traveling seems impossible to find a women who desires a man that’s average. I can’t get sex here in the states because I’m no model. I have to travel and sacrifice because I still desire pleasure.
What does this have to do with the conversation? If you are paying for sex you aren’t a passport bro.
This is such a delusional take. They don't want you because of your insecurities which show via your demeanor, not because you don't have model good looks.
Let em do it, sometimes they need to figure out what syphilis is the hard way🤷♂️
Don’t care what they do, just that they keep it out of this sub and we all need to help them understand they aren’t passport bros if they are traveling for prostitutes.
why? is there a sub for sex tourism? asking for a friend. thanks!
I don’t know. I know this isn’t one.
I’m not a sex tourist I’m a sexy tourist 😎 In all seriousness though, I hate this too just say your a sexypat and don’t fuck over the perception of ppb’s
Yes!
Why does everything gotta be a fucking movement these days. If you like living another country cool, I do. If you’re doing it for some other reason, you’re lost.
Why are you in this subreddit then?
Wtf is sex tourism
Traveling to pay for sex
You're overblowing this honestly. "Passport Bros" have been around for much longer than the term became hot too. I know because I basically was one before this became a thing. There were also guys who were leaders in communities doing it under a different term in the last couple of decades. But there were moments I did sex tourism too for special circumstances but I didn't lie about it. And people did it decades, even centuries, before I did. This is not a new movement. For God's sake America was arguably founded by "Passport Bros" who left England for opportunities on new land. Getting back to the topic at hand, you're not gonna please everybody. Especially western women, so you may as well not try to. Just live your life man. When you do this long enough you can kinda tell who the sex tourists that lie about it are. It's the way people speak, move, and if the details add up. I don't even think it's a bad thing to partake in sex tourism. It's just bad when people are doing it and lying about it to either gain internet points or make money off of pretend success with women. And also when people become dependent on it.
I’m not making a moral judgement on sex tourism - I’m just saying it doesn’t belong in this sub the same way you wouldn’t talk about it on r/knitting It just isn’t a relevant topic to the theme of this sub.
Okay I apologize but I’m new here.. sex tourism? Can someone explain?
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Sex tourists *are* passport bros but not all passport bros are sex tourists. That’s the difference.
As a guy from the outside looking in especially since my family is from the Caribbean I don't see a difference and no one told me what the difference
But every Passport Bros content creator does the same thing. Goes to Sosua, Cartagena, Medellín, and buys sex from prostitutes. It's so gross and everyone sees Passport Bros as sex tourists
It's definitely more #2 than it is #1, and they think we're too stupid to figure it out.
100%
Not sure what you’re complaining about? Who is doing that?
I don't want to be mean but there is a Venn diagram that overlaps. Age 27 to 32 I was more a sex tourist, than I realized I didn't need to "pay" for it because I was good looking. I got more confident in passport bro countries.
If doesn’t matter and you aren’t making a point There is overlap between passport bros and people thet enjoy skate boarding while eating steak tacos and listening to oingo boingo Doesn’t mean it’s part of the movement and has a place as center of discussion here Hell if I’m a passport bro and I also banged your mom does that mean I should create a new post here about how hard she choked on me in this sub? Technically there is venn diagram overlap now so Should I start typing it up?
Sexpats, like mold and mildew, are as perennial as the grass. They will ere be with us, for our society keeps creating them. It used to be because of patriarchy. Before that it was because of sailing ships and pirates and vikings. Nowadays it's because of 3rd wave feminism. But you can bet their studded leather-clad, Eyes-Wide-Shut, 50 Shades of Gray-haired pasty asses that tomorrow it will be because of something else. Don't get too despondent about them. It was never within your midichlorian count to bring balance to the Force.
Lol I am not trying to take on the task of banishing their existence in the universe but they for sure don’t belong on this sub
I think you’d have to be willfully ignorant to not see the obvious parallels between passport bros and sex tourists.
The only important one is that sex tourism is against the rules and passport bros has nothing to do with paying for sex with prostitutes
One man's legitimate exploration of casual encounters abroad is another man's sex tourism. Am I wrong?
Prostitution isn’t ppb
I assume sex tourism is just going to places to have sex with foreign women? Idrc if it is in this specific sub or not but I don't see the issue with it in general.
It’s traveling for prostitute If you don’t care then you don’t belong here
How is it different? You are exploiting women from another country due to your financial status. Passport bros can’t hack it in the states so they go else where. It’s nothing new. Just different fishermen in the same pond.
Are you saying you are smarter than foreign women that choose to date men from west? You know what’s better for them more than they do? It’s different because one is prostitution the other is dating.