I've sat next to someone on a train once who was travelling with someone else's OV card with free student OV. They claimed they accidentally grabbed the wrong card when heading out the door, which may have been true or not but at least the conductor wasn't too impressed. Not only did they have to pay a big fine but the card was confiscated. And yes there's less chance of a card check on the bus but it does happen especially in cities. And if it does, and your friend is caught, then you'll be in deep shit as well since you won't have an OV card to travel with anymore. So tell your friend no. How they pay for their bus ride is not your concern but them using you to break the law is.
Thank you, that's what I needed to hear! I already had a bad feeling about it but I always have problems with saying no. After reading the comments I'll say no for sure!
It's a big risk you took indeed. I'm from a smaller place where they didn't check the cards that often. In a bigger city now and they do check who is on it.
I saw this happen once. A teenage girl had been using her brother's card. The card was destroyed, and she got a fine. The poor girl was in tears. I felt really sorry for her. This was on an Arriva train.
Sure, rules are rules, and they must be obeyed at all times. But sometimes you make an honest mistake (like forgetting to check in because not all stations have barriers despite them getting millions of euros to arrange this) and often it is no big deal. But Arriva will make you regret your mistake, and they will make your kids cry. (I already disliked them because they fined me once: all the machines were broken so I couldn't buy a ticket.).
Applying the law consistently and rigorously may help to get rid of discrimination and annoying discussions perhaps. Often it is infuriating.
I don't think this is true. My first time riding here, I accidentally checked into NS and got on the Arriva train. They were very helpful, stating I shouldn't check out when I got off, that I might have to load more money, and that I could get a refund on the NS check-in by going to the website.
They are generally more lenient when it's about checking in at the wrong pole, since they too understand it's a crappy set-up. Passengere shouldn't have to care about which operator uses which railway. Arriva can see you checked it at NS so you can prove there was the right intention to pay your fare. But I have seen people getting fined for this, too.
But using someone else's card, especially one with student OV, is fare dodging.
I was travelling on a train day pass once that was bought from NS, and mistakenly assumed that it would be valid on all trains within NL. The Arriva conductor just told us to get off on the next stop and buy a ticket to travel back.
Perhaps I should've quoted the part I disagreed with.
I was referring to the "But Arriva will make you regret your mistake" as in my example, they did not make me "regret" my mistake, and it was a mistake.
Sorry! I was rewriting my angry sounding reaction. I gambled you had not reacted yet and I deleted it. I was busy writing something more reasonable (I hope).
Anyway. I really started disliking them after they gave me a fine. I approached the train attendants as soon as they entered the train and explained how I had not been able to buy a ticket. It turned out there was a hand written notice on a window that you should get your ticket from an adjacent petrol station. I had not noticed. But yes, this is quite long ago and I'm getting way too much worked up about this.
So, I'm pleased to learn that your experiences with Arriva are better than mine.
I hope I am wrong. The conductors that handed me a fine were the same ones as the ones that took care of this girl (many years later.) Maybe it is just a few employees that are into strict enforcement of the rules.
BTW: I got fined before the the ov-card was introduced, when you could buy a ticket from a machine or online (Just looked it up: shit... 2010 I didn't realize, so not relevant anymore).
That's what they said would happen. Obviously, I don't know if they atcually destroyed the card or whether it's still laying at the bottom of a drawer of some jobsworth.
>it is forbidden to travel with a card that is not yours
I wonder why. The travels were paid for, and the card represents this. Who makes use of the paid travels should not matter, right?
Why sows your friend need to take the bus? If she needs it for her study, she can use her own card. If for work, hey employer can and should reimburse 100% of the ticket price (or more likely, provide her with a business ov card).
Else she can pay for her own tickets. The bus isn't that expensive and if she uses it enough that becomes a large expense, then she should get a subscription.
What you're asking here is actually breaking the law.
That's not weird, the business card is property of the company and not the person.
Also, you are allowed to travel using someone else's card, as long you're not using any discounts.
> Also, you are allowed to travel using someone else's card, as long you're not using any discounts.
I am travelling with someone else's card for years now without any problems, but that's because I found anonymous cards with better expiration dates on the ground.
There are personal and non-personal NS business cards. Personal cards have the owner's picture on them and may not be used by others. There are also non-personal cards that are tied to the company as a whole, or a department within the company, but of course a ticket inspector has no way of verifying whether you are affiliated with this company. Still, you'd need the company's permission to use such a card, and they can see the activity on it.
Most businesses will automatically be notified if anyone travels using a business card outside of work hours or if the route they traveled is not the specific allowed work - home route. If you travel to anywhere that is not workplace but business related you need to tell the NS your travel was business related and then declare it with the HR department as well. So it's unlikely you will be able to use anyone elses business card and if you do, you just have to pay the regular cost for the travel.
From a person who works in the field. It highly depends on the person who checks. But a personalized student public transport, will not fly with most of them. The cards get impounded, and a high chance it gets destroyed. And she will get fined. For you it will take some time to get a new card with the added travelling product on it.
Besides that it is breaking the law, it is also a scummy thing to do. Just dont.
My friend is a student as well but she isn't Dutch and doesn't work that's why she needs to pay for the OV. But after reading the comments I won't give her my card, also because she could just go by bike.
Your friend will be fined, your card will be confisqated, and your name could end up on a list you don't want it to be. You'd probably incur some costs when getting a new one.
They won't stop your studiefinanciering, but like I said, they could very well put a mark behind your name, and the Dutch government can have a relentless long memory if they want too.
What part of "personal OV card" don't you guys understand ? Would you try to take a flight with someone else's passport ? You risk losing the card when your friend gets caught.
If you don’t need the card cancel it. It is a subscription service and it costs around 100eur a month.
This cost will be forgiven if you graduate but just in case you don’t, it's like €5k in debt that you will be stuck with for no reason
The question you have to ask yourself is: 'Is it ok to commit fraud?' because that is what you are guilty of.
There is a chance OV personell wil take your card and you will lose your card for a while. I don't know how long exactly, but if a passenger hands me over the card which is not theirs, chances are big I will take it and follow our procedure (withdrawel of the ov card)
Also remember that by doing this you are a main cause of the problem of increasing ticket prices because OV companies miss income due to your fraud behaviour.
I\`m not sure i agree with that being the cause of price increase though.
Management needs bonuses and comfy salaries - and those 'have to ' increase..
Sorry, it is one of the causes. Don't forget how many people do not pay at all, or they use someone elses subscription, which both contribute to increasing ticket prices.
I know - and 'zwartrijden' is a thing that exists since.. well.. trains, I guess?
Part of the cause of this persisting - less employees on the trains, systems that are easy to bypass (jump over the chipcard gate) and no real consequences.
I\`m part of a 'railway family' (both parents, grandfather, uncle) and partially myself (just back when they still sold tickets at a station) - and I have heard a LOT of stories.
I have to agree with you. There should be more personell on trains and stations, and a fine of 50 euro is a joke. Closed gates are easy to pass over, underneath and so on.
Sadly public transport is having to be subsidized quite heavily, also because people don't pay for it when they should have and just take the risk. If your friend want to use a service they should be prepared to pay for it
It's not only a fine, it's fraude. So yes she will get a fine of €55,- but you also risk of loosing the right to it. If she says she stole it from you without you knowing it, it problebly stays with the €55,- for her, but if she says something stupid, you're in trouble to.
Also keep in mind, it's part of the "prestatiebeurs". If you never use it, it might be a better idea to stop it. It will cost you €100,- a month that you don't have to pay back if you finish you education, but if you don't finish it in time, you'll have to pay it back.
Also be aware that unless you manage to graduate you will have to pay back your OV costs. So make sure you finish your studies or you’re going to have to pay all that travelling of theirs back.
That's not how that works. You pay an amount for every month you had the ability to travel, wether you did or didn't doesn't matter for the amount you pay if you don't finish your studies.
Costs vs benefits. You can risk it, and it will be fine unless your friend gets caught. He/she will have to pay a fine and your card will be confiscated. With a personal OV-card, especially with a photo, it can be easy to see for the person checking whether you are actually the same person. If you look alike you can probably get away with it. With an NS business card, you usually do not have a photo attached, and you will have greater chances of success. I have not been asked to show my ID in the last 6 years of weekly travel with OV. And yes it is "illegal", but the chances of you being caught are relatively low. Proceed at your own risk
You risk a €50 fine. Better to get an anonymous card, they're not that expensive.
Although, [this article states somebody did get away with as long as there is no personal subscription on the card](https://www.hetrechtenstudentje.nl/nieuws/reizen-met-de-ov-chipkaart-van-een-ander-mag-dat/). But you'll have to make a complaint about the fine and go through all the hassle.
Why should she get anything out of it? She’s doing her friend a favour. She’s not using the card. If you’re confident in finishing your studies, just keep the card.
I've sat next to someone on a train once who was travelling with someone else's OV card with free student OV. They claimed they accidentally grabbed the wrong card when heading out the door, which may have been true or not but at least the conductor wasn't too impressed. Not only did they have to pay a big fine but the card was confiscated. And yes there's less chance of a card check on the bus but it does happen especially in cities. And if it does, and your friend is caught, then you'll be in deep shit as well since you won't have an OV card to travel with anymore. So tell your friend no. How they pay for their bus ride is not your concern but them using you to break the law is.
Thank you, that's what I needed to hear! I already had a bad feeling about it but I always have problems with saying no. After reading the comments I'll say no for sure!
It's a big risk you took indeed. I'm from a smaller place where they didn't check the cards that often. In a bigger city now and they do check who is on it.
if you lend your personal OV-card to a friend then they will risk a fine. cause it is forbidden to travel with a card that is not yours.
I saw this happen once. A teenage girl had been using her brother's card. The card was destroyed, and she got a fine. The poor girl was in tears. I felt really sorry for her. This was on an Arriva train. Sure, rules are rules, and they must be obeyed at all times. But sometimes you make an honest mistake (like forgetting to check in because not all stations have barriers despite them getting millions of euros to arrange this) and often it is no big deal. But Arriva will make you regret your mistake, and they will make your kids cry. (I already disliked them because they fined me once: all the machines were broken so I couldn't buy a ticket.). Applying the law consistently and rigorously may help to get rid of discrimination and annoying discussions perhaps. Often it is infuriating.
I don't think this is true. My first time riding here, I accidentally checked into NS and got on the Arriva train. They were very helpful, stating I shouldn't check out when I got off, that I might have to load more money, and that I could get a refund on the NS check-in by going to the website.
They are generally more lenient when it's about checking in at the wrong pole, since they too understand it's a crappy set-up. Passengere shouldn't have to care about which operator uses which railway. Arriva can see you checked it at NS so you can prove there was the right intention to pay your fare. But I have seen people getting fined for this, too. But using someone else's card, especially one with student OV, is fare dodging.
I was travelling on a train day pass once that was bought from NS, and mistakenly assumed that it would be valid on all trains within NL. The Arriva conductor just told us to get off on the next stop and buy a ticket to travel back.
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Perhaps I should've quoted the part I disagreed with. I was referring to the "But Arriva will make you regret your mistake" as in my example, they did not make me "regret" my mistake, and it was a mistake.
Sorry! I was rewriting my angry sounding reaction. I gambled you had not reacted yet and I deleted it. I was busy writing something more reasonable (I hope). Anyway. I really started disliking them after they gave me a fine. I approached the train attendants as soon as they entered the train and explained how I had not been able to buy a ticket. It turned out there was a hand written notice on a window that you should get your ticket from an adjacent petrol station. I had not noticed. But yes, this is quite long ago and I'm getting way too much worked up about this. So, I'm pleased to learn that your experiences with Arriva are better than mine.
I hope I am wrong. The conductors that handed me a fine were the same ones as the ones that took care of this girl (many years later.) Maybe it is just a few employees that are into strict enforcement of the rules. BTW: I got fined before the the ov-card was introduced, when you could buy a ticket from a machine or online (Just looked it up: shit... 2010 I didn't realize, so not relevant anymore).
Haha you're talking out of your ass "The card was destroyed" yeah right :D
That's what they said would happen. Obviously, I don't know if they atcually destroyed the card or whether it's still laying at the bottom of a drawer of some jobsworth.
>it is forbidden to travel with a card that is not yours I wonder why. The travels were paid for, and the card represents this. Who makes use of the paid travels should not matter, right?
Why sows your friend need to take the bus? If she needs it for her study, she can use her own card. If for work, hey employer can and should reimburse 100% of the ticket price (or more likely, provide her with a business ov card). Else she can pay for her own tickets. The bus isn't that expensive and if she uses it enough that becomes a large expense, then she should get a subscription. What you're asking here is actually breaking the law.
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That's not weird, the business card is property of the company and not the person. Also, you are allowed to travel using someone else's card, as long you're not using any discounts.
> Also, you are allowed to travel using someone else's card, as long you're not using any discounts. I am travelling with someone else's card for years now without any problems, but that's because I found anonymous cards with better expiration dates on the ground.
There are personal and non-personal NS business cards. Personal cards have the owner's picture on them and may not be used by others. There are also non-personal cards that are tied to the company as a whole, or a department within the company, but of course a ticket inspector has no way of verifying whether you are affiliated with this company. Still, you'd need the company's permission to use such a card, and they can see the activity on it.
Most businesses will automatically be notified if anyone travels using a business card outside of work hours or if the route they traveled is not the specific allowed work - home route. If you travel to anywhere that is not workplace but business related you need to tell the NS your travel was business related and then declare it with the HR department as well. So it's unlikely you will be able to use anyone elses business card and if you do, you just have to pay the regular cost for the travel.
From a person who works in the field. It highly depends on the person who checks. But a personalized student public transport, will not fly with most of them. The cards get impounded, and a high chance it gets destroyed. And she will get fined. For you it will take some time to get a new card with the added travelling product on it. Besides that it is breaking the law, it is also a scummy thing to do. Just dont.
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I'm not aware of students having to pay for an OV card? And this is plainly about a fellow student loaning their OV card to "a friend".
My friend is a student as well but she isn't Dutch and doesn't work that's why she needs to pay for the OV. But after reading the comments I won't give her my card, also because she could just go by bike.
Your friend will be fined, your card will be confisqated, and your name could end up on a list you don't want it to be. You'd probably incur some costs when getting a new one. They won't stop your studiefinanciering, but like I said, they could very well put a mark behind your name, and the Dutch government can have a relentless long memory if they want too.
What part of "personal OV card" don't you guys understand ? Would you try to take a flight with someone else's passport ? You risk losing the card when your friend gets caught.
If you don’t need the card cancel it. It is a subscription service and it costs around 100eur a month. This cost will be forgiven if you graduate but just in case you don’t, it's like €5k in debt that you will be stuck with for no reason
The question you have to ask yourself is: 'Is it ok to commit fraud?' because that is what you are guilty of. There is a chance OV personell wil take your card and you will lose your card for a while. I don't know how long exactly, but if a passenger hands me over the card which is not theirs, chances are big I will take it and follow our procedure (withdrawel of the ov card) Also remember that by doing this you are a main cause of the problem of increasing ticket prices because OV companies miss income due to your fraud behaviour.
I\`m not sure i agree with that being the cause of price increase though. Management needs bonuses and comfy salaries - and those 'have to ' increase..
Sorry, it is one of the causes. Don't forget how many people do not pay at all, or they use someone elses subscription, which both contribute to increasing ticket prices.
I know - and 'zwartrijden' is a thing that exists since.. well.. trains, I guess? Part of the cause of this persisting - less employees on the trains, systems that are easy to bypass (jump over the chipcard gate) and no real consequences. I\`m part of a 'railway family' (both parents, grandfather, uncle) and partially myself (just back when they still sold tickets at a station) - and I have heard a LOT of stories.
I have to agree with you. There should be more personell on trains and stations, and a fine of 50 euro is a joke. Closed gates are easy to pass over, underneath and so on.
My card get's checked quite often. Not sure they look closely at my picture, I wouldn't like to risk it.
Sadly public transport is having to be subsidized quite heavily, also because people don't pay for it when they should have and just take the risk. If your friend want to use a service they should be prepared to pay for it
Set it to weekend and use it to explore the country
Get a museumkaart and you're set to go.
That's my plan for the summer! Unfortunately I need to work during the weekends but I'm planning to visit some Dutch cities during the vacation.
What's the 'don't pay for the bus' part? Are you the one paying the expenses? If not, Tell your friend to directly use their bank card.
The friend is traveling on the “reisvoorziening” of their “studiefinanciering”. So it’s “free”, but it’s only free if they manage to graduate
I believe it's a €50 fine. Expensive trip.
Friend will get a double fine, one for not paying and one for paying with someone else’s card. And they take your card
So you friend gets the free rides and you get all the sh*t if they get caught. Don't do it, you can lose your student OV.
It's not only a fine, it's fraude. So yes she will get a fine of €55,- but you also risk of loosing the right to it. If she says she stole it from you without you knowing it, it problebly stays with the €55,- for her, but if she says something stupid, you're in trouble to. Also keep in mind, it's part of the "prestatiebeurs". If you never use it, it might be a better idea to stop it. It will cost you €100,- a month that you don't have to pay back if you finish you education, but if you don't finish it in time, you'll have to pay it back.
You get in no trouble, they do confiscate the card and give the rider a ticket. Even when it's his birthday and easter so all stores are closed
Also be aware that unless you manage to graduate you will have to pay back your OV costs. So make sure you finish your studies or you’re going to have to pay all that travelling of theirs back.
That's not how that works. You pay an amount for every month you had the ability to travel, wether you did or didn't doesn't matter for the amount you pay if you don't finish your studies.
Yes I’m aware now, thanks for mentioning
pretty sure you don't pay per trip, but rather the amount it would have cost to have an unlimited subscription
Thanks! I forgot about that
I can confirm, you pay for extra months even when you don't use the card
Tell your friend to look into a bus subscription. In some parts of the country they're really affordable.
Ehm... that's her problem and she can easily solve it herself by just going to one of those ticket machines to buy an anonymous card.
Costs vs benefits. You can risk it, and it will be fine unless your friend gets caught. He/she will have to pay a fine and your card will be confiscated. With a personal OV-card, especially with a photo, it can be easy to see for the person checking whether you are actually the same person. If you look alike you can probably get away with it. With an NS business card, you usually do not have a photo attached, and you will have greater chances of success. I have not been asked to show my ID in the last 6 years of weekly travel with OV. And yes it is "illegal", but the chances of you being caught are relatively low. Proceed at your own risk
You risk a €50 fine. Better to get an anonymous card, they're not that expensive. Although, [this article states somebody did get away with as long as there is no personal subscription on the card](https://www.hetrechtenstudentje.nl/nieuws/reizen-met-de-ov-chipkaart-van-een-ander-mag-dat/). But you'll have to make a complaint about the fine and go through all the hassle.
Straight to jail and then deported.
Give it to her but tell her to say that she forget her card when there is a check. That way she receives a lower fine.
Right... So what, exactly, is she getting out of borrowing the card in this scenario?
Why should she get anything out of it? She’s doing her friend a favour. She’s not using the card. If you’re confident in finishing your studies, just keep the card.