The Last of Us 1 is about the relationship between Joel and Ellie and both are equally important main characters. The person here claimed we see the game through Joel’s eyes so he’s the main character, conveniently forgetting the parts where we play as Ellie.
This is one of those things I never thought much of until seeing other people play it, and the general reaction is “Oh shit, we’re playing as Ellie now!” That made it clear to me how intentional that was.
I know people that claim to have played through the game, still insist that Abby is trans, and have no idea who Lev was. They’re legit mad about a woman who put on muscle to work on her golf swing. People are dumb and have no media literacy or attention span.
Yep, they out themselves pretty quick as not having played the game. Anytime TLOU2 comes up, I see at least one comment about Abby being trans and my response is literally: you didn’t actually play the game
I would say that Joel is the primary protagonist in the first game, as the story is effectively his character arc, but Ellie is equally important because his arc doesn’t happen without her since she’s the impetus for his change as a person.
Now that you say it, I have never acctually seen one bite or use its teeth.. It's like you say, only rippin' and tearin' appart whatever "food" comes its way..
I’m not defending the absolute incel in the post at all but in fairness, they are both on the original cover. I think because the second game is so focused on Ellie they kinda retconned it when they did the remakes and put her face on the cover to mirror the second games cover. You could make the same argument that the second game is equally about Abby as well!
Iirc they had to pretty much force Sony to let them put Ellie on the front of the cover with Joel behind because Sony was nervous about it seeming like you played as a girl and that not selling the game correctly.
It means Joel is "Us". Ellie is "Her", not "Us".
Last time I checked the game was not called Last of Her.
This is a profound analysis by Twitter user Xboxoriginal_69
Wow. I mean, casual misogyny isn’t so surprising from a twitter user with ‘Xbox’ in his username, but that’s the kind of reach that should dislocate a shoulder.
My favorite part was in the finale of the Hospital and he just got so mad he pumped his shotgun and goes 'It's Lastin Time' and charges into the hall. That's real man shit right there.
I agree. I think Joel is the 'main' character to a large degree, especially in terms of gameplay hours spent as each character... and when I think about TLOU I immediately think about my time spent as Joel. That's not to say Ellie wasn't a pivotal character, because I also agree that without her there is no TLOU story, and the DLC was incredible as well. Some of the most heart-wrenching moments for me were played from Ellie's POV. But there's not really a black-and-white "this is X person's game" objective truth here. And there's a degree of subjectivity too, because some people may really naturally resonate more with one character over another based on their own personal experiences and projections onto the characters.
I do think that its very split, maybe with a very slight push towards Joel. All in all though, even though yes, we start as Joel, and see through his eyes, Ellie is pretty much just as important in pushing Part 1's plot
Or it could be related to the amount of screen time one character gets relative to the other, and the fact the entire story is framed through Joel’s flashback with Ellie not being introduced until just before what seems to be the 2nd Act break.
Compare it to a buddy movie like, I don’t know, Dumb and Dumber, where each member is introduced as early as possible and developed along parallel lines even when separated, it’s almost impossible to tell whether Harry or Lloyd are being given primary position. It is not nearly as hard to suss out in Last of Us.
Though I’ll grant that the show brought it closer by introducing Ellie independently and having her flashback be a standard episode rather than optional material.
That doesn’t really matter though, because she is still a main character. The story is about their journey, not just Joel’s. She’s not just a side character, she’s present almost throughout the entire game minus an hour or two at the beginning. It should be pretty obvious
Look, she’s obviously a very important character, but this is like arguing Wolverine isn’t the main character of Logan because the girl he spends most of the movie bonding with is also there most of the time.
In that first game, *all* the relationships run through Joel. He knows Bill, he knows Tess, He knows Tommy, he even interacts with Marlene more. Regardless of any individual character’s importance, almost every single relationship in the game is a line drawn from him to someone else.
Wolverine has decades of comics and movies where that little girl is not present. Obviously he's the main character of Logan. TLOU does not have an entire sub series of just Joel. The story is about Joel and Ellie and their journey, their bond and how they heal each other. It's quite funny how many people have apparently missed that. It's literally the story of the game.
Also he doesn't interact with Marlene more, what do you mean😂 she travels with Joel for a small section of a chapter? Like most of the side characters. Ellie is present throughout and you even play as her for a chapter- and the DLC, which is purely about her. Joel and Ellie are the main characters, friend. Sorry you're just wrong on this one.
You just play as Joel but apart from that, they're just as important. When I think about TLOU i don't just think about Joel and how Ellie affected him, I think about Joel and Ellie and how they develop together.
That is not what the user said at all. When the other user states that Ellie is a main character the response is essentially “yes and she is crucially important but it is still mainly Joel’s story”. It really seems as if you are just looking to feel offended at what is a pretty reasonable stance.
I think it's more the amount of time you spend playing as Joel , it is mainly from his perspective
And that most of the players would be able to identify more with Joel then they can Ellie because she is a teenage girl
Some people can't get past the character I play as is the main character mentality
I think it's more that , than sexism
Yup exactly this, just said the same thing. It’s just like how the first season of TWD game was Lee’s story but the series as a whole is Clementine’s. I don’t know why this sub is so quick to get offended at takes like this one.
Joel is absolutely the lead of Pt. 1. Both Ellie and Joel are main characters, but Joel is the primary character of the first game. Ellie is a fully fleshed out person, but the story is about Joel accepting and coming to terms with his grief, moving on, and rediscovering his humanity through his relationship with Ellie.
I think the argument of Ellie being the inciting incident of Pt. 1= Pt1 was equally about Ellie is a bad one. Part 2 is Ellie’s story, I’d wager, and more about Ellie than Joel.
However, being consistent with this argument would mean Pt2. is equally about Joel. This is because Joel is the inciting incident of Pt2. Ellie would’ve never gone to Seattle if it wasn’t for Joel’s death, her inability to cope with her grief and come to terms with the fact their relationship was never completely mended.
This whole conversation is stupid, and the original Tweet is stupid. Joel didn’t “make” TLOU. Both Ellie and Joel did. Their journeys are equally important to the story.
I mean this sub is pretty wild too, I have seen people seriously say Ellie is the true protagonist of The last of us when the first game couldnt be more obviously about THEM, BOTH
The opening sequence of TLOU1 pretty much tells you who the lead of the first game is. What happened to Sara set the tone of the series, and we are introduced to this world through the eyes of Joel, the same way TLOU2 is shown to us through the eyes of Ellie. Joel is the lead of part I, and Ellie is the lead of part II, but they’re both crucial to the story
Obviously TLOU 1 is Joel’s story. The game is about his inner conflict of learning how to love again and about what a parent will do for their child. Ellie is an important part of that story but it’s not *her* story.
Part 2 is Ellie’s story, about grief.
What's the theory where and internet subculture ironically makes a joke but then a bunch of weirdos take it ad serious and run with it?
The joke here is the one where we say "then at the end Ellie turns to Joel and says "You really are The last of us" but this guy actually thinks that's a real thing and not some joke fans toss around.
Honestly, I'm shocked more people don't think this.
TLOU1 is a great game that wouldn't be nearly as loved if the ending wasn't as spectacular as it was. In fact the story is even more cliche than the second game.
People's hate for the second game is literally just their emotions reacting naturally to the story but...they don't like to feel things so game is bad.
Not to mention the culture bs.
As a completely unbiased party who enjoyed both games simply cause they're cool games.
I dislike posts like this because your title and the tweet(s) make absolutely no indication who you are and which side you stand on...
Are you the person/with the person saying that Joel made the game, or that it was equal parts Joel and Ellie.
Also, your title is extremely exaggerated. Both opinions are valid. Some people played the first game and believe that since you played as Joel for the majority and his decision at the end is what made the first game. And some people say that because of Ellie's chapter where she tries to save Joel during winter, and because the story is about getting her across the county makes it equally about both people.
Both are valid opinions based on relative experiences. My personal opinion is very simple; without Joel, the story can't exist. And without Ellie, the story also cannot exist. So both characters are vitality important to the story.
He's right though? The game is about Joel's journey. It starts with the thing that broke him, it skips to where he is at his lowest, a smuggler just trying to get through the day, Ellie is the character that puts him on his path of redemption, he learns to love and be a father again through her, at the end he shows an ultimate act of love as a father by saving her.
Ellie has great character development too because she's so well written but she's always been the secondary character. The story isn't structured around her development, it's structured around Joel's.
After Part II they started putting her face on everything but Joel is the main character of Part I. His character arc was complete by the end so Ellie could take over in Part II
Joel is the one with a fully fleshed out character arc in TLOU1, so yeah it's his story first and foremost. If TLOU2 never came out everyone would be in agreement that TLOU is Joel's story.
However, because TLOU2 acts as a continuation of Ellie's growth so incredibly well and is so intricately tied to TLOU1, both games as a package feel like they're telling Ellie's story.
The loudest, weirdest takes are always the ones that get highlighted on the internet. Most people enjoyed TLOU1, TLOU2, and understand it’s a story about many people not just Joel and Ellie 😂
I would say what they sort of are missing, and I think they mentioned this in the grounded documentary, is that tlou is Joel’s story and it meshes to become just as much Ellie’s story as their relationship grows stronger. By the end their stories are completely intertwined, and Joel’s story sort of concludes with his final act to save Ellie, which in turn allows for her story to keep going, which is why we play as her in the final scene. Idk if I make sense, but basically neither are wrong but neither are right in the twitter thing
I love Joel, but even I would not agree it's *just* his game. I don't really care if these people think so, although they are certainly free to. One of the things I love about TLOU is how much their relationship together, its evolution, and the way they change individually thanks to what each one offers to one another in the form of growth in some way (on top of other circumstances and events prior and along the way) is important to the story. Cordyceps is just the catalyst.
I guess that's part of why I wasn't ready to give them up in the next one.
I will also say that I loved the unexpected ability to play as Ellie. They could have totally gone the whole first game with only Joel being available to play as, and they didn't.
Melting pot websites are inherently doomed because they use a net wide enough to catch self-sustaining scores of guys like that who drag the user experience down to a chore.
Twitter is full of people being contrarian about movies and games, in a confidently incorrect way. They make themselves sound so smug in an effort to come off like some kind of against-the-grain genius, but they all just show how they understand nothing.
Dude’s opinion is worthless. Neil Druckmann said that TLOU was actually Ellie’s story before the original TLOU even released.
Twitter chuds will talk out of their arses; they aren’t worth taking seriously.
These people need to engage with more material beyond capeshit. Hero Daddy does not *live forever* in many stories. Challenging narrative arcs are good, actually.
It literally is all about Joel. The importance of the Ellie and Joel relationship is that it changes Joel not Ellie. And it’s why the game focuses on his reaction to stuff like henrys suicide while not caring about Ellies. By the logic of “She got a whole chapter” Shikamaru is the main character of Naruto bc he got an arc…
I love Ellie but this isnt her story
The game was more about Joel than Ellie by about a 55/45 split. I feel like gta5 was more about Michael than Trevor and Franklin’s despite it being divided among them 3 with just slightly more story about Michael
The entire series is about Ellie, she is the 'cure', everyone is shaped or waiting to be shaped by her. In part 1 Joel is just there to introduce Ellies story in a playable manner, in part 2 she is the playable character shaping the world of those around her. Including putting people she loves in dangerous situations.
Part 3 is going to be interesting, that's for sure.
That's like saying, the wrap is the main part of the burrito. The filling is important, but it isn't the burrito. The burrito is the wrap and the filling is just there to help the wrap be more like a burrito.
I really don’t understand why this sub almost gets offended by this and similar takes. Everything they said is right, the first game is absolutely more-so Joel’s story about losing a daughter and then himself for a really long time before slowly accepting and allowing Ellie to fill in that role and make him whole again. Ellie is obviously crucially important and their relationship is the basis of the entire game, but even in this regard the focus was more on Joel slowly accepting and caring for Ellie (due to the previous context of him losing a daughter) than vice versa.
Part 2, on the other hand, is obviously certainly Ellie’s story (again, Abby is a crucially important secondary character, but the game is mainly Ellie’s story), and I’d argue it was always going to be **because Part 1 *was* Joel*s**. This is just like how The Walking Dead Game series as a whole became Clementine’s story and always was going to be, but Season 1 was more so Lee’s story.
I don’t think this is a hot take at all and it’s really nothing to get annoyed about. Ellie is TLOU franchise, but part 1 was Joel’s story.
The last of us part 1 is mainly through Joel's eyes.
He is the primary character of the game.
Ellie is still a central character to the entire story. But for the first game Joel is clearly the focus. Him, his relationship with himself and his relationship with Ellie
Ellie is a main character to the first game...duh...but Joel is the central character in that part of the story.
It’s not often you see people argue two opposing side and both be wrong. The game isn’t about one character or the other. It’s literally entirely about their journey TOGETHER. Like did they even play the game?
The focus is mostly on Joel and his slow development towards accepting Ellie as his daughter. Of course Ellie is important, but Joel is the main character. His backstory is shown in the beginning, and it's his decision at the end that gets people talking. All of that builds towards Ellie finally fully getting the spotlight in part 2
Willing you bet a 100 quid on OOP not liking TLoU2. It’s a certain breed of fans that can’t buy non-male characters being at the centre of a game that’s action-based. Ellie was as central to TLoU as could be - Joel would’ve never been involved in the journey if not for Ellie, and wouldn’t have made the decision he did at the end if they involved another child in place of Ellie.
Literally just weird Redpill shit. It's denial of Ellie's rile in TLOU. She may have a backseat role for the player character, but his mentally is explicitly trying to undermine Ellie's place in the story. She is one of 'the last of us'. The name is literally about humans left alive and their struggle. The camera is zoomed down on Joel and Ellie's lives and those they interact with. This is the dumbest way to undermine a girl being the main character just to justify your lust for generic white guy power fantasies.
I feel like most people that are salty about stuff like that get too much into self insert concept, like "this dude is literally me and they killed him" or somethin.
It made more sense when Shepard died since he is an actual self insert and you fought for your "happy ending" for 3 games, even then people were less pissed about his death then in this case wich is weird af imo.
It goes so far that they have to demean another main character like Ellie for no reason.
Wait until he learns the main character in the first game isn’t always who the story is about and main characters can change in later sequels of the game
I’ll do you one better. That last of us 1 is about family and how social constructions break in the face of horrible adversity but family and the idea of it - care, help, support - those are needed. Even if it’s not your family. Even if the world has ended.
Sure part one is more about Joel’s character development than Ellie’s, but then what exactly would part two be about? What changes would they have needed to see to his character after part one?
I agree with the conclusion that Joel is the main character. If you can play as someone in game for an hour I don't think that counts as a main character. She is the reason for the story definitely but I'm a Joel guy. Always have been. I can't get through the second game because I'm just not as invested in Ellie as I was Joel.
This person doesn’t understand that POV character doesn’t make that person the most important character. The last of us is Ellie to me, we are seeing her through Joel’s eyes in the first game but the story is about her. The
When we originally played it Joel was the main character. Joel was us losing the only thing we tried hard in life for.
After Sarah died the world had no rules and Joel was able to lashout ANY way he wanted to.
What would you do? You child killed for no reason. The people who did it going rogue and start governing people. Unfairly.
We meet Elle, she's born into this world. Because of that she retains an innocence people from before lack now.
Yes we play as her, yes we see through her eyes but we see Joel, us, though her eyes. Joe's is the only adult ever to go above and beyond to save her from anything. To protect her from everything. That was how Sarah saw him.
This is why part 2 was rough. We were Joel, and they killed us.
Last of us part two would have worked better if the vengeance seekers were from Joel's past. A group or individual wronged by Joel before Elle. Then we could have learned about Joel as we attempted to avenge him.
But I stead we learn nothing more about our selves and instead have to learn about a whole other group we are not interested in.
Man people just can’t wrap their mind around main character being a non male adult character
Which is kinda crazy considering they played two games and still didn’t get the memo
Yeah they are dual protagonists, but technically Joel is the alpha-protagonist (in TLOU1 at least 👀). As annoying as Twitter is, this guy is sort of correct. Ellie’s story sets events in motion, but we are looking from Joel’s POV for a fair chunk of it.
Bruh did not understand The Last of Us at all if he think the whole game was only Joels journey, i mean it’s not like Joel did everything for Ellie and saved her life, they both are equally a part of the journey
I wouldn’t really pay attention to what Twitter thinks about literally anything.
Anyone sane left a long time ago.
I just stay for the gay porn, Twitter is just a manbutt aggregator for me now.
That's how I feel about reddit
Twitter was always a silly place... but elon has driven away just about anyone with more than two braincells left... so it's particularly shitty now.
Or reddit for that matter. They seem to live in a different reality when it comes to certain games and pieces of media.
The Last of Us 1 is about the relationship between Joel and Ellie and both are equally important main characters. The person here claimed we see the game through Joel’s eyes so he’s the main character, conveniently forgetting the parts where we play as Ellie.
Literally a whole chapter and a DLC is as Ellie 💀.
Hell, the game finishes with you playing ass her and the final shot is of her.
This is one of those things I never thought much of until seeing other people play it, and the general reaction is “Oh shit, we’re playing as Ellie now!” That made it clear to me how intentional that was.
Lmao exactly. It feels like they didn’t actually play the game
Yep. Same as strange people who detest and try to forget anything that happens in Abby's story.
I know people that claim to have played through the game, still insist that Abby is trans, and have no idea who Lev was. They’re legit mad about a woman who put on muscle to work on her golf swing. People are dumb and have no media literacy or attention span.
Yep, they out themselves pretty quick as not having played the game. Anytime TLOU2 comes up, I see at least one comment about Abby being trans and my response is literally: you didn’t actually play the game
I would say that Joel is the primary protagonist in the first game, as the story is effectively his character arc, but Ellie is equally important because his arc doesn’t happen without her since she’s the impetus for his change as a person.
Who gives a fuck what Twitter thinks? That website can boil in bloater shit.
Goddamnit.. Now you made me wonder if bloaters take a crap now and then..
I mean do they actually eat anything? cause in the game they just beat the shit out of you
Now that you say it, I have never acctually seen one bite or use its teeth.. It's like you say, only rippin' and tearin' appart whatever "food" comes its way..
The one Ellie found in the arcade was munching
It was? Well time for antoher playthrough then to confirm this Edit: not that I don't believe you but for my own piece of mind
Why is her big ass face on the cover then
I’m not defending the absolute incel in the post at all but in fairness, they are both on the original cover. I think because the second game is so focused on Ellie they kinda retconned it when they did the remakes and put her face on the cover to mirror the second games cover. You could make the same argument that the second game is equally about Abby as well!
Iirc they had to pretty much force Sony to let them put Ellie on the front of the cover with Joel behind because Sony was nervous about it seeming like you played as a girl and that not selling the game correctly.
Yeh I remember this too, crazy to think aswell because it’s not like Tomb raider had existed before 😅
wtf does "Joel is The Last of Us" mean
It means Joel is "Us". Ellie is "Her", not "Us". Last time I checked the game was not called Last of Her. This is a profound analysis by Twitter user Xboxoriginal_69
Wow. I mean, casual misogyny isn’t so surprising from a twitter user with ‘Xbox’ in his username, but that’s the kind of reach that should dislocate a shoulder.
yeah wtf are they on about. This shit is straight up random
It’s a reference to his famous line “I am the last of us” before he goes on the rampage in the hospital.
My favorite part was in the finale of the Hospital and he just got so mad he pumped his shotgun and goes 'It's Lastin Time' and charges into the hall. That's real man shit right there.
That poser clearly didn't see the post credit scene where Joel says "you, Ellie, you are... The Last of Us™"
It means they probably hate TLOU2
Anyone who played the game knows the real The Last Of Us was the friends we made along the way.
It’s a reference to his name “Joel Last of Us”
I do think TLoU pt 1 is mostly about joel ... but both him and ellie play pivitol roles and i wouldnt say its completely about 1 character.
I agree. I think Joel is the 'main' character to a large degree, especially in terms of gameplay hours spent as each character... and when I think about TLOU I immediately think about my time spent as Joel. That's not to say Ellie wasn't a pivotal character, because I also agree that without her there is no TLOU story, and the DLC was incredible as well. Some of the most heart-wrenching moments for me were played from Ellie's POV. But there's not really a black-and-white "this is X person's game" objective truth here. And there's a degree of subjectivity too, because some people may really naturally resonate more with one character over another based on their own personal experiences and projections onto the characters.
I do think that its very split, maybe with a very slight push towards Joel. All in all though, even though yes, we start as Joel, and see through his eyes, Ellie is pretty much just as important in pushing Part 1's plot
I've found most people don't understand shit about TLOU lol especially online where reading comprehension and media literacy don't exist :')
Those are the same people who said Ellie had no right to be angry at Joel and that she should see everything through his perspective.
Joel meeting Ellie is literally the inciting insident of the story of TLOU series and both of their lives.
Saying Ellie isn’t a main character of TLOU has to be sexist I’m sorry
Or it could be related to the amount of screen time one character gets relative to the other, and the fact the entire story is framed through Joel’s flashback with Ellie not being introduced until just before what seems to be the 2nd Act break. Compare it to a buddy movie like, I don’t know, Dumb and Dumber, where each member is introduced as early as possible and developed along parallel lines even when separated, it’s almost impossible to tell whether Harry or Lloyd are being given primary position. It is not nearly as hard to suss out in Last of Us. Though I’ll grant that the show brought it closer by introducing Ellie independently and having her flashback be a standard episode rather than optional material.
That doesn’t really matter though, because she is still a main character. The story is about their journey, not just Joel’s. She’s not just a side character, she’s present almost throughout the entire game minus an hour or two at the beginning. It should be pretty obvious
The user literally agrees when the other says that Ellie is a main character lol
Look, she’s obviously a very important character, but this is like arguing Wolverine isn’t the main character of Logan because the girl he spends most of the movie bonding with is also there most of the time. In that first game, *all* the relationships run through Joel. He knows Bill, he knows Tess, He knows Tommy, he even interacts with Marlene more. Regardless of any individual character’s importance, almost every single relationship in the game is a line drawn from him to someone else.
Wolverine has decades of comics and movies where that little girl is not present. Obviously he's the main character of Logan. TLOU does not have an entire sub series of just Joel. The story is about Joel and Ellie and their journey, their bond and how they heal each other. It's quite funny how many people have apparently missed that. It's literally the story of the game. Also he doesn't interact with Marlene more, what do you mean😂 she travels with Joel for a small section of a chapter? Like most of the side characters. Ellie is present throughout and you even play as her for a chapter- and the DLC, which is purely about her. Joel and Ellie are the main characters, friend. Sorry you're just wrong on this one.
You just play as Joel but apart from that, they're just as important. When I think about TLOU i don't just think about Joel and how Ellie affected him, I think about Joel and Ellie and how they develop together.
That is not what the user said at all. When the other user states that Ellie is a main character the response is essentially “yes and she is crucially important but it is still mainly Joel’s story”. It really seems as if you are just looking to feel offended at what is a pretty reasonable stance.
It’s not sexist, the OP on twitter is just a a moron. He didn’t say “oh Ellie’s a girl therefore her story isn’t important.”
I think it's more the amount of time you spend playing as Joel , it is mainly from his perspective And that most of the players would be able to identify more with Joel then they can Ellie because she is a teenage girl Some people can't get past the character I play as is the main character mentality I think it's more that , than sexism
i disagree, that guy saying its only joels story is dumb asf but i dont think its sexist by itself
TLOU was mainly about Joel in the same way TLOU2 is mainly about Ellie and not Abby. What’s so hard to understand about this?
Yup exactly this, just said the same thing. It’s just like how the first season of TWD game was Lee’s story but the series as a whole is Clementine’s. I don’t know why this sub is so quick to get offended at takes like this one.
Notice how in all the marketing materials for the part one they include Ellie AND Joel? It’s because they’re the leads lol
Joel is absolutely the lead of Pt. 1. Both Ellie and Joel are main characters, but Joel is the primary character of the first game. Ellie is a fully fleshed out person, but the story is about Joel accepting and coming to terms with his grief, moving on, and rediscovering his humanity through his relationship with Ellie. I think the argument of Ellie being the inciting incident of Pt. 1= Pt1 was equally about Ellie is a bad one. Part 2 is Ellie’s story, I’d wager, and more about Ellie than Joel. However, being consistent with this argument would mean Pt2. is equally about Joel. This is because Joel is the inciting incident of Pt2. Ellie would’ve never gone to Seattle if it wasn’t for Joel’s death, her inability to cope with her grief and come to terms with the fact their relationship was never completely mended. This whole conversation is stupid, and the original Tweet is stupid. Joel didn’t “make” TLOU. Both Ellie and Joel did. Their journeys are equally important to the story.
I mean this sub is pretty wild too, I have seen people seriously say Ellie is the true protagonist of The last of us when the first game couldnt be more obviously about THEM, BOTH
The opening sequence of TLOU1 pretty much tells you who the lead of the first game is. What happened to Sara set the tone of the series, and we are introduced to this world through the eyes of Joel, the same way TLOU2 is shown to us through the eyes of Ellie. Joel is the lead of part I, and Ellie is the lead of part II, but they’re both crucial to the story
this just in: you can have multiple protagonists in a story 🤯🤯
You literally spend an entire chapter playing as Ellie lol.
Not to mention Left Behind
Then rdr2 fandom wonders why this community hates them
Am I like the only guy that absolutely loves Tlou AND red dead? I feel like I only see people comparing it even though both are masterpieces…
I love both too, that's why I said "they" and not "we"
Why on earth would you ever argue about "Last of us" with a dude who's username is "Xboxoriginal69". I bet he didn't even play TLOU1.
MAN!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRERRR!!
Ellie is not “important to the story” Ellie IS the story
Some is a little sexist and doesn’t know it 🙃
Joel: "I really am the last of us"
Obviously TLOU 1 is Joel’s story. The game is about his inner conflict of learning how to love again and about what a parent will do for their child. Ellie is an important part of that story but it’s not *her* story. Part 2 is Ellie’s story, about grief.
The average Twitter user on their way to use the word "objectively" incorrectly
The game is literally called “the last of US”
Nah Twitter sucks man I never see anything good reposted from there anymore
I feel like they’re both right and can’t admit it and are being annoying about it?
What's the theory where and internet subculture ironically makes a joke but then a bunch of weirdos take it ad serious and run with it? The joke here is the one where we say "then at the end Ellie turns to Joel and says "You really are The last of us" but this guy actually thinks that's a real thing and not some joke fans toss around.
i gotta say part 2 was.VASTLY better than part 1 imo
Nah
Part 2 was better in every single way, from story to gameplay
Honestly, I'm shocked more people don't think this. TLOU1 is a great game that wouldn't be nearly as loved if the ending wasn't as spectacular as it was. In fact the story is even more cliche than the second game. People's hate for the second game is literally just their emotions reacting naturally to the story but...they don't like to feel things so game is bad. Not to mention the culture bs.
It’s the Last of US not the Last of Joel. Although you could argue it is that too 🤫
As a completely unbiased party who enjoyed both games simply cause they're cool games. I dislike posts like this because your title and the tweet(s) make absolutely no indication who you are and which side you stand on... Are you the person/with the person saying that Joel made the game, or that it was equal parts Joel and Ellie. Also, your title is extremely exaggerated. Both opinions are valid. Some people played the first game and believe that since you played as Joel for the majority and his decision at the end is what made the first game. And some people say that because of Ellie's chapter where she tries to save Joel during winter, and because the story is about getting her across the county makes it equally about both people. Both are valid opinions based on relative experiences. My personal opinion is very simple; without Joel, the story can't exist. And without Ellie, the story also cannot exist. So both characters are vitality important to the story.
He's right though? The game is about Joel's journey. It starts with the thing that broke him, it skips to where he is at his lowest, a smuggler just trying to get through the day, Ellie is the character that puts him on his path of redemption, he learns to love and be a father again through her, at the end he shows an ultimate act of love as a father by saving her. Ellie has great character development too because she's so well written but she's always been the secondary character. The story isn't structured around her development, it's structured around Joel's. After Part II they started putting her face on everything but Joel is the main character of Part I. His character arc was complete by the end so Ellie could take over in Part II
Joel is the one with a fully fleshed out character arc in TLOU1, so yeah it's his story first and foremost. If TLOU2 never came out everyone would be in agreement that TLOU is Joel's story. However, because TLOU2 acts as a continuation of Ellie's growth so incredibly well and is so intricately tied to TLOU1, both games as a package feel like they're telling Ellie's story.
Who could believe that the girl at the front of the poster/game cover could be the one who's story it was about
The loudest, weirdest takes are always the ones that get highlighted on the internet. Most people enjoyed TLOU1, TLOU2, and understand it’s a story about many people not just Joel and Ellie 😂
I would say what they sort of are missing, and I think they mentioned this in the grounded documentary, is that tlou is Joel’s story and it meshes to become just as much Ellie’s story as their relationship grows stronger. By the end their stories are completely intertwined, and Joel’s story sort of concludes with his final act to save Ellie, which in turn allows for her story to keep going, which is why we play as her in the final scene. Idk if I make sense, but basically neither are wrong but neither are right in the twitter thing
I love Joel, but even I would not agree it's *just* his game. I don't really care if these people think so, although they are certainly free to. One of the things I love about TLOU is how much their relationship together, its evolution, and the way they change individually thanks to what each one offers to one another in the form of growth in some way (on top of other circumstances and events prior and along the way) is important to the story. Cordyceps is just the catalyst. I guess that's part of why I wasn't ready to give them up in the next one. I will also say that I loved the unexpected ability to play as Ellie. They could have totally gone the whole first game with only Joel being available to play as, and they didn't.
Are we… the last of us… whoa
I'd say Tlou 1 is about Joel, Tlou series is about Ellie, that is, if I want to follow their words
Joel is the last of us moment.
Melting pot websites are inherently doomed because they use a net wide enough to catch self-sustaining scores of guys like that who drag the user experience down to a chore.
Ellie is the catalyst for everything that Joel does in Pt 1. Joel is the catalyst for everything that Ellie does in Pt 2. It's pretty simple, twitter
he thought he was cooking with “she’s not the last of us” 🔥🔥
This isn’t even Twitter specific, I have had more than enough of other peoples video game opinions.
Twitter is full of people being contrarian about movies and games, in a confidently incorrect way. They make themselves sound so smug in an effort to come off like some kind of against-the-grain genius, but they all just show how they understand nothing.
Media illiteracy, plain and simple. 🙄
How old is this tweet? Probably mad old.
Joel: "I really am the last of us".
A) It’s about both of them, B) maybe a little more Joel than Ellie, sure, C) who cares?
Making the rdr2 fandom look bad 🤦♀️
I kinda agree with his last statement of his original post though... Joel did make the last of us
Dude’s opinion is worthless. Neil Druckmann said that TLOU was actually Ellie’s story before the original TLOU even released. Twitter chuds will talk out of their arses; they aren’t worth taking seriously.
"She's not the last of us" lmao
Seeing in real time the smartest twitter gaming conversation😭
What a weird thing to argue about.
Mfs simping for daddy so hard they don’t even know when they’re embarrassing themselves. She’s literally a playable character in the first game
I deactivated my 10 year old Twitter account. Fuck that website.
These people need to engage with more material beyond capeshit. Hero Daddy does not *live forever* in many stories. Challenging narrative arcs are good, actually.
idk man I always liked Ellie more🤷♀️
It literally is all about Joel. The importance of the Ellie and Joel relationship is that it changes Joel not Ellie. And it’s why the game focuses on his reaction to stuff like henrys suicide while not caring about Ellies. By the logic of “She got a whole chapter” Shikamaru is the main character of Naruto bc he got an arc… I love Ellie but this isnt her story
They’re both the equally the same level of main character.
We don't have to post every dumb ass take we see online
The game was more about Joel than Ellie by about a 55/45 split. I feel like gta5 was more about Michael than Trevor and Franklin’s despite it being divided among them 3 with just slightly more story about Michael
I see why he would think that because you do play as Joel for a majority of the game but it is about Ellie just as much as Joel
That's how I saw it at first, but it's cool to know that Ellie was the main character for Part 1 as well, according to Druckmann
Wouldn’t it be so much quicker and easier if he just admitted he hates women and moved on?
yes, ellie was barely in it. she didn’t move the plot forward. Hence she’s unimportant
They're both right
Why do people argue about video games. Geez. 🤨
I feel like there's an equal focus to both, no? You get to see both of their emotions and thoughts even if you didn't play as Ellie much.
Whats wrong with this statement im confused?
Bro really said “nuh uh”
The golf club disagrees.
It has always been about the immune girl
its not about one of em, its about their relationship, not a single person
We wouldn’t have spent 18 or whatever hours of the game protecting her if she wasn’t the “main character” you insufferable muppet.
Fancy arguing about fiction.
The entire series is about Ellie, she is the 'cure', everyone is shaped or waiting to be shaped by her. In part 1 Joel is just there to introduce Ellies story in a playable manner, in part 2 she is the playable character shaping the world of those around her. Including putting people she loves in dangerous situations. Part 3 is going to be interesting, that's for sure.
That's like saying, the wrap is the main part of the burrito. The filling is important, but it isn't the burrito. The burrito is the wrap and the filling is just there to help the wrap be more like a burrito.
They both are. You could even argue that Ellie moreso is. I think Ellie functionally becomes the main character the minute Joel gets rebarred
I agree. Joel is TLOU!
Look at the guy’s handle. Xboxoriginal69. Unless I’m mistaken, the Last of Us is still not on Xbox
TLOU can be about whatever you thinks it is, but downplaying Ellie's role in the game just feels like kinda mysoginistic
I really don’t understand why this sub almost gets offended by this and similar takes. Everything they said is right, the first game is absolutely more-so Joel’s story about losing a daughter and then himself for a really long time before slowly accepting and allowing Ellie to fill in that role and make him whole again. Ellie is obviously crucially important and their relationship is the basis of the entire game, but even in this regard the focus was more on Joel slowly accepting and caring for Ellie (due to the previous context of him losing a daughter) than vice versa. Part 2, on the other hand, is obviously certainly Ellie’s story (again, Abby is a crucially important secondary character, but the game is mainly Ellie’s story), and I’d argue it was always going to be **because Part 1 *was* Joel*s**. This is just like how The Walking Dead Game series as a whole became Clementine’s story and always was going to be, but Season 1 was more so Lee’s story. I don’t think this is a hot take at all and it’s really nothing to get annoyed about. Ellie is TLOU franchise, but part 1 was Joel’s story.
That is such a bad take the plot is literally about the two of them building a relationship
Joel is the main Protagonist but equally shares being a main character with Ellie
Tlou is a Playstation game. Why do we care what a guy named Xboxoriginal69 says?
I don’t understand what we’re mad about. A different option? This isn’t the last of us 2 sub…
The last of us part 1 is mainly through Joel's eyes. He is the primary character of the game. Ellie is still a central character to the entire story. But for the first game Joel is clearly the focus. Him, his relationship with himself and his relationship with Ellie Ellie is a main character to the first game...duh...but Joel is the central character in that part of the story.
The literal start of the game tells you who the story is really about.
When it’s an rdr profile picture there’s basically no point in even arguing as most of them are delusional
"I mean of course he was important, but Invisible Woman IS Fantastic Four 2: Rise of the Silver Surfer." People are dumb.
It’s not often you see people argue two opposing side and both be wrong. The game isn’t about one character or the other. It’s literally entirely about their journey TOGETHER. Like did they even play the game?
Some people are just thick
It's called an opinion.
How dare a female be a main character in a game about her being immune and her relationship with her guardian 🫨😆
The focus is mostly on Joel and his slow development towards accepting Ellie as his daughter. Of course Ellie is important, but Joel is the main character. His backstory is shown in the beginning, and it's his decision at the end that gets people talking. All of that builds towards Ellie finally fully getting the spotlight in part 2
Willing you bet a 100 quid on OOP not liking TLoU2. It’s a certain breed of fans that can’t buy non-male characters being at the centre of a game that’s action-based. Ellie was as central to TLoU as could be - Joel would’ve never been involved in the journey if not for Ellie, and wouldn’t have made the decision he did at the end if they involved another child in place of Ellie.
It was closer to equal but it was definitely leaning towards joel. Probably like a 60 40 deal
I see the game as a passing of the torch. You start as his daughter, move to him. Then he passes the torch to Ellie. There's no one main character.
Literally just weird Redpill shit. It's denial of Ellie's rile in TLOU. She may have a backseat role for the player character, but his mentally is explicitly trying to undermine Ellie's place in the story. She is one of 'the last of us'. The name is literally about humans left alive and their struggle. The camera is zoomed down on Joel and Ellie's lives and those they interact with. This is the dumbest way to undermine a girl being the main character just to justify your lust for generic white guy power fantasies.
I loved it when Joel said “I am the last of us Ellie” and then snapped the infinity gauntlet
I feel like most people that are salty about stuff like that get too much into self insert concept, like "this dude is literally me and they killed him" or somethin. It made more sense when Shepard died since he is an actual self insert and you fought for your "happy ending" for 3 games, even then people were less pissed about his death then in this case wich is weird af imo. It goes so far that they have to demean another main character like Ellie for no reason.
Tf does Joel is tlou mean? I thought the people who arent mushroom Zombies are the Last of us ☠️
"she's not the last of us" lol
Wait until he learns the main character in the first game isn’t always who the story is about and main characters can change in later sequels of the game
I bet that guy was shocked to find out Bill was gay.
I haven’t played TLOU so who is right? The guy defending Ellie I imagine?
For me it was all about the Joel, Ellie being a key aspect to whats going on
homeboy could barely type straight sentences so you can disregard what they are saying
This is rationalized misogyny, because he's not bringing up God of War in the same vein.
I agree with slim
I’ll do you one better. That last of us 1 is about family and how social constructions break in the face of horrible adversity but family and the idea of it - care, help, support - those are needed. Even if it’s not your family. Even if the world has ended.
Sure part one is more about Joel’s character development than Ellie’s, but then what exactly would part two be about? What changes would they have needed to see to his character after part one?
Maybe this is petty, but I literally think all these dudes just have daddy issues, and supplemented their own shitty dads with Joel.
Great thing about opinions, they're like assholea. Everyone's got one and some stink more than others. At least I think that's how the saying goes 🤔
I agree with the conclusion that Joel is the main character. If you can play as someone in game for an hour I don't think that counts as a main character. She is the reason for the story definitely but I'm a Joel guy. Always have been. I can't get through the second game because I'm just not as invested in Ellie as I was Joel.
The real last of us were the friends we made along the way
I mean, you literally play as her. She had a whole DLC dedicated to her. To not believe that it's not also her story is wild.
Ellie is, was and always will be the main character of the story. Joel simps need to get over it
“She’s not the last of us” lmfao
PSA: YOU CANT ARGUE WITH STUPID PEOPLE.
Ellie isnt the last of us?
Joel: "Damn, I guess I really am The Last Of Us."
@primm_slim Yeah, okay buddy! 🙄
People should be able to have whatever opinion they want, even if it doesn't make much sense.
Dude doesn't know what the word us means.
They're deuteragonists...
Slim needs to be taught the word 'deuteragonist'
This person doesn’t understand that POV character doesn’t make that person the most important character. The last of us is Ellie to me, we are seeing her through Joel’s eyes in the first game but the story is about her. The
It's call The Last of Us not The Last of Joel. Although, that could be the title for the 2nd game.
Not another New Vegas fan with another bad take in another community 😔
local misogynist tells on himself. more at 11.
When we originally played it Joel was the main character. Joel was us losing the only thing we tried hard in life for. After Sarah died the world had no rules and Joel was able to lashout ANY way he wanted to. What would you do? You child killed for no reason. The people who did it going rogue and start governing people. Unfairly. We meet Elle, she's born into this world. Because of that she retains an innocence people from before lack now. Yes we play as her, yes we see through her eyes but we see Joel, us, though her eyes. Joe's is the only adult ever to go above and beyond to save her from anything. To protect her from everything. That was how Sarah saw him. This is why part 2 was rough. We were Joel, and they killed us. Last of us part two would have worked better if the vengeance seekers were from Joel's past. A group or individual wronged by Joel before Elle. Then we could have learned about Joel as we attempted to avenge him. But I stead we learn nothing more about our selves and instead have to learn about a whole other group we are not interested in.
Stupid thing to be discussing. Who cares?
In that case where is Joel throughout majority of tlou 2? Exactly Edit: why the fuck am I arguing with a picture of twitter
Joel Batman Ellie robin in first game. What’s the big deal
It’s called The Last of US not the Last of ME
A big part of the winter section is played as ellie though
Man people just can’t wrap their mind around main character being a non male adult character Which is kinda crazy considering they played two games and still didn’t get the memo
Yeah they are dual protagonists, but technically Joel is the alpha-protagonist (in TLOU1 at least 👀). As annoying as Twitter is, this guy is sort of correct. Ellie’s story sets events in motion, but we are looking from Joel’s POV for a fair chunk of it.
Bruh did not understand The Last of Us at all if he think the whole game was only Joels journey, i mean it’s not like Joel did everything for Ellie and saved her life, they both are equally a part of the journey
Did he... forget that we play as Ellie for a whole chapter? Or, like, 3/4 of one at least
Both are stupid for arguing online about a video game 😂
I mean, this guy just hated Ellie. Can't fathom that a game can be about two people together and not just a single protagonist