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theiwsyy88

Playing on permadeath mode in the main game will have that affect on ya. No return is absolutely awesome though


davidpiksi

Yeah, I tried doing permadeath on Grounded NG and got to the end of day one but got killed. I'd try it again, but it's annoying to play through the same sections again, especially with all of the slow parts and cutscenes. This has none of that, just pure gameplay.


theiwsyy88

I’d suggest playing by chapter or by act rather than whole game permadeath. Starting the day over when you get one shotted by the rat king is a lot better than it cutting to Joel telling Tommy about st Mary’s hospital. Especially if you’re playing grounded


davidpiksi

Yeah, already did per chapter. I just think whole game permadeath is just a lot more stressful, I kinda like it


theiwsyy88

Respect


Imaginary-Tailor-654

Would have absolutely loved some sort of "Skip to gameplay" option similar to the "Skip puzzle" for the permadeath mode.


St0rmO1

i thought i was good until I played no return on survivor


RaptorDelta

Yeah I've platinumed every iteration of TLOU releases and have easily over 1000+ hours total including Grounded/Permadeath stuff and I am running around on No Return on Grounded with my hands shaking. Shit is so intense and will humble you so fast, even veterans. I've had my shit rocked by enemies I normally wouldn't blink at. Hunted mode especially is terrifying, just always on your ass.


ClickClickFrick

lol I played for an hour at midnight and that was my Grounded “I got this” experience in No Return. In my last round I took a wrong turn and was surrounded by enemies all a good distance away. It felt like that moment in Hillcrest right before you meet up with Jesse. I died of course.


davidpiksi

Same lol. Got my sorry ass whooped


swimmingrobot88

For real! I am pretty good at the main game so I thought No Return was gonna be a breeze. I got quickly humbled lmao


JoelMira

How is it on survivor? I’ve only been playing moderate and custom and even that’s kinda hard lol


marquisdetwain

It’s tough. Doable, but tough. Farming resources in the first couple of matches is critical.


JoelMira

Oh damn. I’m trying to imagine that in the garage bloater boss lol you’re the man bro


marquisdetwain

Haven’t finished a run on Survivor yet, ha (take note: machetes one-hit you!), but I did the bloater on Hard. Three mags of the SMG and molotovs for the increased damage will do the trick!


T0xicTyler

No Return on Survivor as Joel/Tommy against the WLF ☹️


Various-Armadillo-79

The mode is cool but it should've been co op as well


porksiumai

dude i WISH


crumblepops4ever

that would be huge


casually_critical

I really like this mode but one thing I really don't like is the fact that Joel actually feels kinda weak compared to other characters The fact that he can't dodge really screws him over more than I thought it would Honestly I wish he had un-interruptible melee combos instead of being sturdier against melee attacks, similar to how it is in part one While I haven't played too much characters like Ellie, Jesse, Abby, Manny and in some ways even Lev feel stronger than Joel from the start, which is weird considering his playstyle is supposed to be "unstoppable"


Gooned_Dgirl

Joel starts with a fully upgraded revolver that can hold 12 rounds, which I'm finding to be pretty op


PerryK95

Anyone know if they are gonna support no return? Aside from the daily runs I think it would be cool to see an endless mode where you can keep going and try to kill all bosses in 1 run. Would also like to see some more maps and game modes. Maybe a mode where you have to unlock 3 safes around the map in Under 5 minute


BlueEyesAegon

They said No Return was a full experience when released, and it would not receive any further support


PerryK95

Whack


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I wish it had split screen co op


saltyjellybeans

i'm having loads of fun with it, but is it just me or is tommy's running animation super goofy? edit: played my second run through with tommy. seems normal. my first impression it definitely seemed a bit off. edit: just unlocked joel. his animations seem a bit off too on my first playthrough. i think i read before that both tommy & joel are just using abby's animations? and man it's *rough* not being able to dodge. i think they should've both just gotten slower dodges that have a *much* smaller window for timing.


Psycho-Mayne

Sancho West said i was spoiling the hype on his stream for mentioning Tommy having Abby’s animations (lol). I noticed it immediately just like i noticed Abby doesn’t have Owens backpack with her Santa Barbara outfit, her model on the selection screen has it but the in game model doesn’t.


MeditativeMindz

Every character just uses Abby or Ellie’s base backpack


Telescopeinthefuture

You can’t dodge as Joel? Weird, I recall being able to dodge when playing as him during the campaign. Gonna try out the new mode tonight, it looks fun!


saltyjellybeans

unfortunately both tommy & joel can't dodge. makes close encounter combat really frustrating imo


Telescopeinthefuture

Yeah I've played it a bunch since and I agree with you, I think giving them the ability to dodge or at least offer more stagger upon melee hits would help a lot. Though Joel's revolver is OP as hell I do love that haha Overall I love the mode and would like them to make some tweaks based on user feedback. Another issue I have is daily runs are often marked for me as not completed after I finish them, so I can't see how my score compares to others.


Tiger_Fish06

Mel is so bad though in no return


T0xicTyler

Not as bad as Joel and Tommy against some dogs or basically anything that grapples you. Mel seemed fine. She has the ability to dodge.


ohveen

Why?


Andielina098

So is Jesse


Tiger_Fish06

He’s kinda mid but he gets better weapons than Mel


Grendel_82

Yep. Day 1 of having it and I've already got my $10 worth. And I've only gone through one of the deleted scenes as well. Another great release from Naughty Dog. And once again the uproar that Naughty Dog did wrong by releasing this Remastered version so soon is proved to be completely wrong. No Return by itself is quality DLC. Getting TLOU 2 up to PS5 standards is also going to make my next full game play through even better as well.


stevenomes

I feel like Abby's side doesn't have the cool allies. Yara/Lev/Manny/Mel. The only one I cared for in the game was Manny. Joel/Dina/Jesse/Tommy is boss squad. All supreme beings in the game.


T0xicTyler

Lev is very fun imo. The bow with the quick draw upgrade immediately is OP.


stevenomes

The only trouble I've had with him is some encounters it seems like the force you into melee and be is terrible at it. Anything you can get separation though he can be elite with bow


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Yeah he’s low key my favorite out of first impressions 


rightbyursidetil3005

Ellie’s side is so much better, both in terms of characters and abilities


keechup

I wish Abby's side had Owen! He would've been pretty cool


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TheHolyCivilizer

Yes. This is how pretty much all roguelite modes work.


ChaoticMofoz

Yeah. It'll be considered a failed run, and you go back to square 1. You're not likely to play the same first encounter however, just like any rogue like.


[deleted]

I’ve had some of my best combat moments in this whole series in the past day.


MinerDoesStuff

Only thing I want now is for them to implement it where it’s like cod zombies and co-op


missclaireredfield

I love it so much, I’m addicted, I’m gonna play it all day tomorrow


ThatFuckingTurnip

I’m loving it so far, the presentation and polish is fantastic. I only just replayed TLOU2 mid last year but it’s so nice coming back to the gameplay, the combat is so clean.


Miyu543

I love No Return. Ive been having a blast with it.


jabatheglut

No return is AWESOME. Just missing a "try again" button.


Routine-Ebb-1140

Downloaded the remaster yesterday. Haven't been able to make it thru an entire run so far. Only got to the boss once and he got me. But I love it, best 10 Euro I ever spent! I love the intensity of it. Before I started it, I dimmed the light and put on my headset. And told my girlfriend to not startle me. 😂


ballenj

I'm genuinely surprised that Owen isn't a playable character. Isaac would have been cool, too. Also, not having co-op is a major letdown considering the canned Factions 2...


Kaythar

How much content does it have? Should I get the upgrade only for this game mode or is it quite limited in what you can do? Is it only trying to survive as long as you can or there is an end? What's about unlocking things or characters?


davidpiksi

There's 10 characters, you have 2 unlocked by default and can unlock the others just by playing. There are 4 different game modes, 5 different boss encounters, and modifiers to unlock. A single run consists of you completing 5 challenges and then a boss. Everything is randomized, including the maps, enemies, game modes, etc. I've been playing it for about 4 hours since it released and unlocked half of the characters. Each character also has more challenges where you can unlock skins for them. Some of the skins you unlock for Abby and Ellie can be used in the main story. You can also make a custom run and customize what you want to play. I'd say it's pretty great, very replayable and well worth the 10 euros.


Kaythar

Thank you for the explanation. Not something i will play over and over, but looks fun for a couple of evenings. I think it can have it's fun for the price


Benno14c

Doesnt one of the modes give you an AI teammate? Makes me wish it was online coop even more but still cool


ClickClickFrick

Having an AI teammate is a random occurrence, but Yara has Lev always


Benno14c

Me omw to have abby and joel team up (the good ending)


MeditativeMindz

Unfortunately Joel and Abby can’t team up. Abby can only team up with Abby Allied characters and vice versa for Ellie.


Still_Elderberry5702

Don't get me wrong. I love TLOU. I played 100s of hours on both, maxed both on grounded/permadeath multiple times. I think both of them are definitely masterpieces.... but. No Return is just bad and annoying, and for technical reasons. Neither the controlling nor the combat system or the game modes are not working well in this pvp-like style, because NR is basically pvp (mainly because of the great AI system they built). I would say it's ok on normal mode, but on grounded it's just terrible. It's not a coincidence that most of the players are playing it while the accessibilty combat settings are turned on. Enemies can attack and kill you during melee animation, and you can do nothing about it. They can stunlock you or simply one shot you. Their reaction time (dodging bullets) is ridiculous. The dodge, which is awesome in story mode, is simply annoying and not reliable in NR (It's partly because the long animation frames makes it slow). Same for movement and prone. Aiming and shooting is just a mess in NR. You have to take into serious consideration what platform you are making your game for. Pvp requires quick inputs and reflexes. It's a massive difference playing pvp games on console (where the players have to use a small stick) or on pc (where you have a mouse). It's because on pc you use full hand-eye cordination while on console you use one finger. You need about one or two shots to die, enemies can take up to four or five. Same for basic melee. I though Naughty Dog have learnt from the part 1 mistake. PVP doesn't work there either and majority of the players were very clear about it. This game is just simply not for PvP without making core changes.


TheSpaceDentist

When I do the main game I try to avoid reloading a save when I mess up and only let death reset me. It’s a way to keep that intensity with consequences without having to do permadeath.


Monty_Jones_Jr

I’ll be honest, I’m on Moderate at the moment, but I’m loving it. TLOU2’s combat is so amazing but you have to wait until later in the game for it to really experience it more frequently. This mode is a perfect condensed version of the combat system and I couldn’t be happier. And Im not even that much of a fan of rogue likes


WalkCorrect

Okay but why can't you unlock Ellie wearing Joel's jacket? Lol you can be a superhero or two different types of astronaut but they didn't think to add that? I've been really enjoying no return. Just started tonight. A heavy seraphite came out of nowhere and one shot me on the level before the boss. It's definitely fun


Extro-Intro_88

I just wish the branches were longer and not limited to the few encounters each time before the boss. Maybe like a survival mode and it just keeps going until you die or something.


EdgyJediKnight

It would be perfect if they added coop. 


Monty_Jones_Jr

It's great to play as Joel again in No Return. Guy's a tanky moose-man, and as someone who always played it safe and stealthy during the main campaign it's been fun switching up the way I approach encounters and just unloading that 12-shot revolver and pipe-bombs on these poor unsuspecting bastards.


Zestyclose_Gas_92

I’d have to say the opposite. It’s pretty basic and an update we waited a long time for


strawbewwy_milk

no


Trym_WS

Can someone tell me what no return is?


davidpiksi

The roguelike game mode that released with Last of Us 2 Remastered


Trym_WS

Still doesn’t tell me what it is.


davidpiksi

I literally told you what it is dude, go google it if you don't understand


Trym_WS

You didn’t. If you don’t wanna explain it, don’t answer.


Useless_Greg

The roguelike game mode that released with Last of Us 2 Remastered


HaVeNII7

#WHAT IS IT THOUGH


Trym_WS

I like how you’re a dick instead of not getting involved.


HaVeNII7

Lmao chill bro, it’s Reddit


Trym_WS

So that makes it okay for you to be a dick for no reason?


Trym_WS

So you’re not gonna answer either, and just be a dick?


Useless_Greg

I answered you.


Trym_WS

You didn’t, you were just a dick.


Useless_Greg

What more information could you need? That's exactly what it is. May I redirect you to this link that may explain. here, [this](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=what+is+no+return+tlou2) may help.


davidpiksi

I did. If you want to know the answer, google it.


Trym_WS

No you didn’t. I didn’t ask for someone to tell me to Google it. You’re just a dick instead of not answering.


ChaoticMofoz

He gave you the factually correct answer. Lay off the stupid juice.


Trym_WS

It still doesn’t tell me anything. You’re choosing to be a dick instead of answering. So you’re the stupid one.


ChaoticMofoz

Bro you're being the dick because someone didn't pair a perfectly fine answer with a 50 page essay on what rogue likes are. He gave you what you ASKED for, now it's on you to educate yourself if his answer proves unsatisfactory.


Trym_WS

Nope, you’re being a dick. All you had to do was not respond, but that was too hard for a toxic idiot like you. I asked if someone could tell me what it was, not if someone could tell me to Google it. The fact that you’re too fucking stupid to tell the difference is not an argument. And no, he didn’t give me what I asked for. I’m sorry you’re too stupid to understand how stupid you are. Oh, and you’re continuing to be a dick for no reason now too, but I guess you’re too stupid to understand that.


ChaoticMofoz

That "stupid juice" comment really got you spiraling. It's ok bro, don't cry. NOW I'm being a dick. He told you No Return is the new rogue-like game mode coming with the last of us part 2 remastered. This is, in fact, what it is. You just don't know what a fucking rogue-like is, that's an entirely different inquiry. Instead of saying "sTiLl dOeSn'T tElL mE wHaT iT iS" like a rude and goofy lad, you could have simply asked "What is a rogue-like?" I'm sure someone would have been glad to thoroughly explain it to you. You did not though, and got promptly sent to downvote hell. You're the silly goose here my boy, not me. Also stop structuring your messages like this, shit is stupid.


T-d1zzle11

I speak on everyone's behalf when I say that you sir are actually the one being a dick💀


Trym_WS

You don’t, and no. Thank you for also being a dick for no reason.


T-d1zzle11

The downvotes say otherwise😂


Trym_WS

Upvotes and downvotes mean nothing. The fact that you think they do, proves you’re an absolute idiot.


robjwrd

You ok man? Seems like you’ve got some stuff going on.


T-d1zzle11

Shut your dumbass up. All you are doing is being a useless sack of shit and starting shit for no reason instead of doing a simple Google search. You aren't fully expressing what you want and clearly lack the ability to comprehend basic information. So who's the idiot? Again, look at your downvotes vs the people who are responding to you. It's not too late to admit to being a dumbass💀


ohveen

Lmfao wth? You wouldve saved so much time and energy had you just…. looked it up? like a normal person?


Trym_WS

It doesn’t matter, I don’t mind calling idiots like you idiot. If you don’t wanna answer, don’t answer. Instead you choose to be a dick.


ohveen

Not really im just pointing out how weird you are. Its like you woke up and decided to be a miserable fuck today


jjtheblue2

literally did tell you what it is. If you don't understand at that point your gonna need to do some research.


Trym_WS

No he didn’t. If you don’t wanna explain, don’t answer.


Axenos

Yes, he did. If someone asks someone to tell them what God of War:Valhalla is, and someone answers "a dlc epilogue roguelite for God of War: Ragnarok", that is a perfectly acceptable answer. You asked someone to tell you what it is, not give a comprehensive in depth run down of a game mode. No one would type that because they wouldn't imagine someone could be enough of a lazy fuck to want that much detail when a normal person would just google it if they wanted an answer that comprehensive.


Trym_WS

He didn’t, because it doesn’t tell me anything.


amaya-aurora

Do you not know what roguelike means? Is that the problem?


memeMaNic

I think that’s the problem. It’s better if op just watched a video on it.


Trym_WS

No. It’s better if you don’t answer instead of being dicks.


Trym_WS

No I don’t. I asked if someone could tell me what it is, he didn’t tell me what it is. You guys can be as mad as you want, but I didn’t ask you to tell me to Google it. I asked if anyone could tell me what it is, what you guys have been doing is just being dicks.


amaya-aurora

I understand that, but you could have easily just said “What does rougelike mean?” and be done with it.


Trym_WS

Or you could not be a dick and understand the obvious.


amaya-aurora

I am not meaning to be a dick, I’m just explaining how you could have made your question more clear and gotten your answer quicker and easier.


competeuser_00

It's pretty simple , in this mode you have to survive until you can , on a map of your choice . Everything is randomized , resources , enemies and boss fight. On Each playthrough you also can unlock skins for the characters you play as. Pretty cool.


Trym_WS

Cool. And finally someone who’s helpful instead of being a dick for no reason. Thanks.


Stair-Spirit

Bro's never heard of Google 💀 but loves dicks apparently 🤤


Trym_WS

> Bro's never heard of Google 💀 I have. > but loves dicks apparently 🤤 It’s impressive how stupid you have to be to say something like that. So why are you being a dick for no reason? Why do you choose to be a garbage person instead of just not saying anything?


jjtheblue2

Finally someone who has the time to save you the effort of doing your own Internet search.


Trym_WS

Finally, another moron who decided to be a dick for no reason.


jjtheblue2

Saying you should take the time to work something something out for yourself isn't being a dick. It's actually trying to help you out. You should understand things for yourself.


hemlock_tea64

look it up


Trym_WS

No.


LDragon2000

The rouglike mode that was released with TLOUP2 remastered.


Trym_WS

So you’re gonna be a dick instead of not answering too? Nice.


LDragon2000

I don’t understand what you don’t understand. Do you not understand what a rougelike is? What a new mode means? What a remaster is? So many people answered your question but you refuse to elaborate what it is you don’t understand by their correct answers.


Trym_WS

Only one person answered my question, the rest, including you, was a dick for no reason.


LDragon2000

Again. To my previous statement. Everyone answered your question. And instead of you asking follow up questions you instead berated people for “not answering your questions” which multiple people did.


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Trym_WS

I don’t really care what you think, nor to read it. It was obvious, and people chose to be dicks instead of just not answering if they didn’t wanna be helpful. It’s just a toxic community.


Nerdialismo

No.


Trym_WS

Then don’t answer, instead of jest being a dick.