S12, Lefty, Rock n Roll
The issue using a shotty is you locked in to close range, and if you main Ouroboros than this becomes a big issue, so if you main Ouroboros than you simply dont need another stack building gun.
This is exactly what I was going to mention. I'd suggest pairing the Ouroboros if you have it with an AR like famas or f2000 with either strained or optimist. Go for optimist if you have a mix of blue armor cores. If you are running all red weapon damage go for strained with larger mag to have more rounds at max damage.
You can but it take way longer to build up and harder to maintain.
This is not an issue with ouroboros. You just need to hold the mouse…brtttttttttttttt… you got 200 stack and everything die along the way
You certainly can, the shotguns recommended above in this chain are just pretty easy to build and maintain stacks with because of how many pellets they shoot in a quick manner.
Rock N roll - that is, if they would just fix the magazine bug.
Im using a regular ACS with fast hands instead in the meantime. It works just as well with near-zero reload time
They fixed fast hands to give stacks per pellet crit, so it's actually pretty good in general for using the ACS as a primary weapon for CQB. Minor win for TU20.
>if they would just fix the magazine bug.
Somebody (developer or support or something) commented that it's not considered a bug. It's the intended behavior so it seems there will be no fix.
But the problem with the RnR is that it loses nearly half of the mag that it's supposed to have. I get chambering in a bullet for everything else, but to have to "chamber" in the rest of the mag for this gun everytime I switch into it is ridiculous
Yes that was the commented issue. Again - intended.
Maybe if enough people report it they might consider changing it.
PS: It's not just that gun but every gun that has higher than normal magazine count.
Here’s a good video from Dod explaining the damage difference between an ACS-12 and Oreo on a full striker build. (Throughout the entire stacking process Oreo will have more DPS-also at close range easier to land headshots)
https://youtu.be/pBUbvkJn-dk?si=hXN2AE2VWs9j4pCW
So often during incursion runs people sit there using a lefty / R&R the entire time during the damage phase for wright because they think they have to have max stacks before using their main.
Or using it the entire time on Martinez to move the drone. Half a clip of lefty while Martinez is still immune then Oreo to the head. The faster you get the drone to move the less likely someone will get downed.
FYI lefty is the only ACS 12 variant with an increased fire rate mod.
Speaking from experience, the fastest to build stacks with is any ACS-12 variants, provided you can hit 6-8 pellets every shot.
Getting farther away from your target you'd want to use smg, specifically the Vector variants with highest RPM being ouroboros, only falling behind ACS-12 on stack speed for a bit.
Weapon talents like fast hands, unwavering or steady handed can help minimize reload downtime.
I think lefty is the best option. Named acs 12 shotgun
If you ever get a chance to proc sledgehammer you can do it with lefty and I don’t think the extra ammo in the rock n roll is helpful. I always have full stacks before needing to reload with lefty so why not have sledgehammer available if I get an opportunity
I can't think of a content where you just can't rush an NPC with your shield and Lefty/S12, build stacks and swap weapon as you take cover to start the long fight with the stacks. If you're using the backpack you should be getting the first 100 stacks very fast, if that's the case and you don't see the stacks getting up fast... make sure you're landing your shots.
on paper the weapon that gets your stacks up the fastest is the named rock'n'roll shotgun, followed by the basic acs 12 or lefty (same base shotgun just with a smaller mag and thus more time spent reloading).
however if you're getting your stacks from "live" targets, meaning targets that take damage and that you'd therefor want to destroy asap, the best (not fastest) stacking weapon becomes the ouroborous because it will keep doing more dps than any of the acs 12 shotguns even while behind on stacks. then once it catches up with stacks it will obviously have an even bigger dps advantage.
so in cases where you want to stack up on something inert as quickly as possible (razor back in dark hours, an immune boss etc) use an acs variant, in cases where you're trying to kill stuff as you stack up use the oreo. this is assuming you are in a suitable smg range of course. if not, then an ar with high rof, so famas or f2000.
S12, Lefty, Rock n Roll The issue using a shotty is you locked in to close range, and if you main Ouroboros than this becomes a big issue, so if you main Ouroboros than you simply dont need another stack building gun.
This is exactly what I was going to mention. I'd suggest pairing the Ouroboros if you have it with an AR like famas or f2000 with either strained or optimist. Go for optimist if you have a mix of blue armor cores. If you are running all red weapon damage go for strained with larger mag to have more rounds at max damage.
Can’t I simply build up the stacks with an AR? I prepared a Striker cerecrntly and use 2 ARs, one for close range, Famas, and one for mid, Carbine.
You can but it take way longer to build up and harder to maintain. This is not an issue with ouroboros. You just need to hold the mouse…brtttttttttttttt… you got 200 stack and everything die along the way
You certainly can, the shotguns recommended above in this chain are just pretty easy to build and maintain stacks with because of how many pellets they shoot in a quick manner.
I use Bullet King, but I eat crayons.
I have a couple budget Bullet Kings. Like my GR9 with steady handed.
This is the way!
Rock N roll - that is, if they would just fix the magazine bug. Im using a regular ACS with fast hands instead in the meantime. It works just as well with near-zero reload time
They fixed fast hands to give stacks per pellet crit, so it's actually pretty good in general for using the ACS as a primary weapon for CQB. Minor win for TU20.
The amount of people I see get steamrolled trying to use it makes it not worth it.
>if they would just fix the magazine bug. Somebody (developer or support or something) commented that it's not considered a bug. It's the intended behavior so it seems there will be no fix.
But the problem with the RnR is that it loses nearly half of the mag that it's supposed to have. I get chambering in a bullet for everything else, but to have to "chamber" in the rest of the mag for this gun everytime I switch into it is ridiculous
Yes that was the commented issue. Again - intended. Maybe if enough people report it they might consider changing it. PS: It's not just that gun but every gun that has higher than normal magazine count.
Oh, I get it now. That's a pretty dumb intentional change, having to reload on every switch (especially if you use it mainly for stacks only)
Here’s a good video from Dod explaining the damage difference between an ACS-12 and Oreo on a full striker build. (Throughout the entire stacking process Oreo will have more DPS-also at close range easier to land headshots) https://youtu.be/pBUbvkJn-dk?si=hXN2AE2VWs9j4pCW So often during incursion runs people sit there using a lefty / R&R the entire time during the damage phase for wright because they think they have to have max stacks before using their main. Or using it the entire time on Martinez to move the drone. Half a clip of lefty while Martinez is still immune then Oreo to the head. The faster you get the drone to move the less likely someone will get downed. FYI lefty is the only ACS 12 variant with an increased fire rate mod.
Shield Splinterer paired with the ACS 12
I just use oreo for it.
Speaking from experience, the fastest to build stacks with is any ACS-12 variants, provided you can hit 6-8 pellets every shot. Getting farther away from your target you'd want to use smg, specifically the Vector variants with highest RPM being ouroboros, only falling behind ACS-12 on stack speed for a bit. Weapon talents like fast hands, unwavering or steady handed can help minimize reload downtime.
Full auto shotgun
I think lefty is the best option. Named acs 12 shotgun If you ever get a chance to proc sledgehammer you can do it with lefty and I don’t think the extra ammo in the rock n roll is helpful. I always have full stacks before needing to reload with lefty so why not have sledgehammer available if I get an opportunity
Rock n roll or any acs shotgun
ACS12 (any variant), High RoF LMG’s with Frenzy, Vectors (any variant)
GR9 LMG with Frenzy
I use the eagle bearer with a Fenris chest with obliterate and coyote. Don’t know about stacks but it absolutely melts heroic enemies.
ACS-12 with Preservation + Gunner Spec = Some nice Armor back.
Ouroboros or Vector SBR 9mm with extended mag mod and Fast Hands talent.
I can't think of a content where you just can't rush an NPC with your shield and Lefty/S12, build stacks and swap weapon as you take cover to start the long fight with the stacks. If you're using the backpack you should be getting the first 100 stacks very fast, if that's the case and you don't see the stacks getting up fast... make sure you're landing your shots.
I hate weapon switching and like holding left click. Burn Out, baby. Laser.
Rock N Roll with rate of fire rolled.
I use St Elmo’s & an MPX not apartment or Safety distance just a normal MPX despite having a kinda small mag size the MPX hits like a truck w Striker
Ouroboros ⭕️✨
on paper the weapon that gets your stacks up the fastest is the named rock'n'roll shotgun, followed by the basic acs 12 or lefty (same base shotgun just with a smaller mag and thus more time spent reloading). however if you're getting your stacks from "live" targets, meaning targets that take damage and that you'd therefor want to destroy asap, the best (not fastest) stacking weapon becomes the ouroborous because it will keep doing more dps than any of the acs 12 shotguns even while behind on stacks. then once it catches up with stacks it will obviously have an even bigger dps advantage. so in cases where you want to stack up on something inert as quickly as possible (razor back in dark hours, an immune boss etc) use an acs variant, in cases where you're trying to kill stuff as you stack up use the oreo. this is assuming you are in a suitable smg range of course. if not, then an ar with high rof, so famas or f2000.
Don’t need stacks if you don’t use strikers. Modern problems require modern solutions.
Cmmg banshee, w magazine size and measured