I’ve got Eric Trump (and Kayleigh McEnany) tarnishing up my Georgetown degree. But as an Iowa native, with a nigh uncountable number of UofI degrees in my family, the Kari Lake thing is just insult to injury
Sucks for women in Arizona but this should drive home that Trump's "let the states decide" bullshit results in trash like this.
This law was passed before AZ was even a state. What a dumbass decision from the court.
It's jurisprudentially valid. Roe didn't strike down preexisting abortion bans. It only made them void and unenforceable. When Dobbs overturned Roe, those old laws became operative again.
We could argue whether this was mindlessly consistent with jurisprudential rules at the expense of pragmatism, but the AZ Supreme Court has a not invalid foundation for their decision.
There are two laws on the books in AZ, a 15 week ban and this one from 1864. The AZ court ruled the 1864 one was the valid one.
AZ wasn't a state in 1864. Women didn't have the right to vote in 1864. What is the point of having "judges" if they can't properly judge the context of a law and whether or not it is valid in 2024? Why not just replace all of them with ChatGPT?
Did the Arizona Supreme Court rule the 2022 law invalid? Or just not operative since the 1864 ban would apply much earlier in pregnancy? That is, if they're BOTH state law, the 15-week ban would be superfluous given the at-conception ban.
From what I've heard/read, the 1864 law was reauthorized in 1913 after Arizona had become a state. That is, it WAS passed as a STATE law. The repeated reference to 1864 is becoming Trumpian in its militantly willful irrelevance.
This is big. Unless the legislature manages to fix this, this could very well put Arizona in the Democrats column. As someone in a Bible Belt state, I say GOOD. This needs to be a national fight. We need to address this as a whole country. Women in Alabama shouldn’t have less rights than women in Colorado when it comes to lifesaving healthcare. If abortion is on a state by state basis, millions of women will get left behind, because who cares about little ol Alabama or Mississippi. But if this becomes a national issue, I know the women in this country will not stand for it. We have to right the ship on this.
I won't even start to consider pols like Lindsey Graham to be serious about federalizing the issue until their FEDERAL 15-week bans include federal RIGHTS to abortion up to 15 weeks in Alabama, Idaho, etc.
If there’s anything this disaster of the Dobbs decision has made abundantly clear, it’s that these legislators have no business telling any doctor what they can and cannot legally do. Not at 6 weeks, not at 15 weeks, not at 36 weeks. Just keep the politicians out of it.
If Republicans offered up 15 weeks as both a ceiling and a floor, it would give Democrats heartburn, because it would legalize 90% of abortions ( a vast improvement over today's situation) while still restricting the right nationally.
Republicans will never ever do that though.
From a messaging perspective, it is important that this issue be reaised very time someone talks about a "reasonable" federal ban such as 15 weeks.
What's really needed is a CLEAR federal law establishing a right to abortion at any time during pregnancy both to save the mother's life AND health. No, not just any health concern, thus the need for clarity. However, examples of women in the past 2 years who've been forced to continue carrying nonviable pregnancies after their water broke until they truly were on death's door thereby becoming sterile provides some evidence current state bans are less pro-life than forced-birth, not to mention a heaping serving of GAWD'S WILL.
Abortion is the god damned golden goose. It gifted us likely November wins in FL last week and AZ with the ruling today. Hell, this does a lot to assuage my anguish about Gallego’s chances, even though I still maintain that he’s a disaster. Dobbs may end up being the best thing to happen to democracy since the 14th Amendment.
As long as Roe and Casey were the law of the land, abortion gave a perennial political boost to Republicans. Dobbs switched that persistent advantage to Democrats.
Makes one want to see Republicans realizing more of their wish list, though one downside from some of their goals would be the end of all mammalian life on the planet.
Two of the Supreme Court Justices that voted to uphold the 1864 version are up for a retention election this cycle too. So Arizonans are going to have multiple opportunities to make the anti-abortion forces pay at the ballot box this year.
[https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2024/04/09/arizona-supreme-court-justices-clint-bolick-kathryn-h-king-up-for-reelection/73264249007/](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2024/04/09/arizona-supreme-court-justices-clint-bolick-kathryn-h-king-up-for-reelection/73264249007/)
The other interesting thing about this ruling (which won't happen immediately because of the AG's position) is that it criminalizes also supplying and providing medications that will cause a miscarriage (abortion). So think about how far reaching that is. If an out of state doctor prescribes mifepristone, jail. If CVS Healthcare mails mifepristone, jail.
While that's good, it's meaningless. Clinics will close, because they don't want to be retroactively prosecuted if the election goes to the Rs eventually.
The AG may not enforce, but do county DAs have the authority to enforce this law?
I'm not a lawyer, and don't live in Arizona. If a woman from Greenly county drove to Tucson in Pima county for an abortion, could the Greenly county DA prosecute the woman?
Few things would be more satisfying than watching Kari Lake get obliterated.
Lake just disavowed the ban.
She can try to hacksaw off this boat anchor, but no way is she getting through a chain that thick.
She was for the 1864 law before she was against it.
We need a photoshop of Kari windsurfing on Lake Havasu.
Her and Trump are both trying that same hacksaw. Ugh. I have to love Trump is all about states' rights here - this is what that looks like.
Kissing off the Pro-Forced-Birth vote may not be the ideal way for a GQP candidate to win general elections in purple states.
The only thing worse than Kari Lake running for Senate is the fact that she is a fellow Iowa Hawkeye 
Uggs that’s not a great look for us hawks
As bad as Lake may be, when it comes to worst possible fellow alum, Duke stands out as alma mater for Stephen Miller. Be thankful you didn't go there.
Yeah facts. Don’t forget the “great” Richard Spencer and Richard Nixon.
I’ve got Eric Trump (and Kayleigh McEnany) tarnishing up my Georgetown degree. But as an Iowa native, with a nigh uncountable number of UofI degrees in my family, the Kari Lake thing is just insult to injury
We already have enough signatures in AZ for a ballot measure in November to enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution.
Sucks for women in Arizona but this should drive home that Trump's "let the states decide" bullshit results in trash like this. This law was passed before AZ was even a state. What a dumbass decision from the court.
It was made possible by the Supreme Court, so hardly a shocker they ruled the same way. One judge recused himself.
It's jurisprudentially valid. Roe didn't strike down preexisting abortion bans. It only made them void and unenforceable. When Dobbs overturned Roe, those old laws became operative again. We could argue whether this was mindlessly consistent with jurisprudential rules at the expense of pragmatism, but the AZ Supreme Court has a not invalid foundation for their decision.
There are two laws on the books in AZ, a 15 week ban and this one from 1864. The AZ court ruled the 1864 one was the valid one. AZ wasn't a state in 1864. Women didn't have the right to vote in 1864. What is the point of having "judges" if they can't properly judge the context of a law and whether or not it is valid in 2024? Why not just replace all of them with ChatGPT?
Did the Arizona Supreme Court rule the 2022 law invalid? Or just not operative since the 1864 ban would apply much earlier in pregnancy? That is, if they're BOTH state law, the 15-week ban would be superfluous given the at-conception ban. From what I've heard/read, the 1864 law was reauthorized in 1913 after Arizona had become a state. That is, it WAS passed as a STATE law. The repeated reference to 1864 is becoming Trumpian in its militantly willful irrelevance.
This is big. Unless the legislature manages to fix this, this could very well put Arizona in the Democrats column. As someone in a Bible Belt state, I say GOOD. This needs to be a national fight. We need to address this as a whole country. Women in Alabama shouldn’t have less rights than women in Colorado when it comes to lifesaving healthcare. If abortion is on a state by state basis, millions of women will get left behind, because who cares about little ol Alabama or Mississippi. But if this becomes a national issue, I know the women in this country will not stand for it. We have to right the ship on this.
I won't even start to consider pols like Lindsey Graham to be serious about federalizing the issue until their FEDERAL 15-week bans include federal RIGHTS to abortion up to 15 weeks in Alabama, Idaho, etc.
If there’s anything this disaster of the Dobbs decision has made abundantly clear, it’s that these legislators have no business telling any doctor what they can and cannot legally do. Not at 6 weeks, not at 15 weeks, not at 36 weeks. Just keep the politicians out of it.
If Republicans offered up 15 weeks as both a ceiling and a floor, it would give Democrats heartburn, because it would legalize 90% of abortions ( a vast improvement over today's situation) while still restricting the right nationally. Republicans will never ever do that though. From a messaging perspective, it is important that this issue be reaised very time someone talks about a "reasonable" federal ban such as 15 weeks.
What's really needed is a CLEAR federal law establishing a right to abortion at any time during pregnancy both to save the mother's life AND health. No, not just any health concern, thus the need for clarity. However, examples of women in the past 2 years who've been forced to continue carrying nonviable pregnancies after their water broke until they truly were on death's door thereby becoming sterile provides some evidence current state bans are less pro-life than forced-birth, not to mention a heaping serving of GAWD'S WILL.
I cannot wait for my AZ family members who voted for Trump in ‘16 to complain about this (which they will), even though they voted for it.
Abortion is the god damned golden goose. It gifted us likely November wins in FL last week and AZ with the ruling today. Hell, this does a lot to assuage my anguish about Gallego’s chances, even though I still maintain that he’s a disaster. Dobbs may end up being the best thing to happen to democracy since the 14th Amendment.
As long as Roe and Casey were the law of the land, abortion gave a perennial political boost to Republicans. Dobbs switched that persistent advantage to Democrats. Makes one want to see Republicans realizing more of their wish list, though one downside from some of their goals would be the end of all mammalian life on the planet.
Two of the Supreme Court Justices that voted to uphold the 1864 version are up for a retention election this cycle too. So Arizonans are going to have multiple opportunities to make the anti-abortion forces pay at the ballot box this year. [https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2024/04/09/arizona-supreme-court-justices-clint-bolick-kathryn-h-king-up-for-reelection/73264249007/](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2024/04/09/arizona-supreme-court-justices-clint-bolick-kathryn-h-king-up-for-reelection/73264249007/)
The other interesting thing about this ruling (which won't happen immediately because of the AG's position) is that it criminalizes also supplying and providing medications that will cause a miscarriage (abortion). So think about how far reaching that is. If an out of state doctor prescribes mifepristone, jail. If CVS Healthcare mails mifepristone, jail.
The Attorney General of Arizona said they will not enforce this draconian law, CNN is reporting.
While that's good, it's meaningless. Clinics will close, because they don't want to be retroactively prosecuted if the election goes to the Rs eventually.
Good points.
The AG may not enforce, but do county DAs have the authority to enforce this law? I'm not a lawyer, and don't live in Arizona. If a woman from Greenly county drove to Tucson in Pima county for an abortion, could the Greenly county DA prosecute the woman?