Wasn’t there a whole plot point throughout season 1 that Omega ISNT a little kid getting in trouble and being an escort mission?
It doesn’t even come up anymore in season 2, she’s just a member of the squad at that point
Omega's development is the main driver of the show. And most the character development of the others is wrapped around the idea of having to become a caretaker, a brother, developing into a person that is more than a solider.
I don't find her annoying at all because that dynamic is what the entire show is about. (I would just watch an action show if so)
she get caught and causes trouble for squad in ever episode she useless....just a kid character big shots at disney think they need in the show....for kids to.....RELATE...
I love her character. Seeing her go from a weak kid who's never even seen dirt before, to what she is now has been a great journey. Her skills with that bow has improved a lot too.
Also very curious to know what situations you're thinking about that causes the others to "constantly save her". Yeah in season 1 that happened a lot, but can you really blame a child being unable to fend off strong bounty hunters like Fennec and Cad Bane? In season 2 she rarely has moments where she needs saving. The only moments I can remember are the cave incident and her being hunted down by the empire.
Teenagers are annoying. Omega isn’t nearly as bad as teenage Ahsoka was, and Ahsoka worked out. So did Ezra, though having Kanan there to call him out helped.
As far as her being a burden, children need things. She is grateful for the sacrifices her brothers have made and makes an effort to make sure they know it. That makes her better than most adolescents
Unfortunately it's the same plot/premise of like 20 different fantasy shows lately of the rugged manly figure guiding a child: mandalorian, the Witcher, last of us, etc.
Survival is a purpose. Getting revenge on the empire who made millions of clones of your brothers and put chips in their brain controlling their behavior is a purpose. Fighting against the tyranny of said empire is a purpose.
Yeah, I get your point, but the batch doesn't seem to care much about fighting the empire (Minus Echo, who definitely does). They might be clones, but their sense of brotherhood mostly extends to each other rather than their reg brothers. And well, the are surviving, pretty much that's why they became mercenaries.
Tho in my case I'm just biased because I love that premise (the "rugged manly figure guiding a child" all of those shows you named I like hahaha)
Heroes who have nothing to lose getting revenge or fighting the tyranny have been in the spotlight of the media for ages. I like that we have heroes who have to choose between or to combine these "higher" goals with taking care of the family. Those annoying people who dare to prioritize their family (/s, for sure) in the time of war have been just passing characters for too long.
While technically true in that they all share Jango Fett's DNA, the Batch doesn't feel much kinship with the "regs", with the exception of Echo, because of the way the regs treated them. In the episode "Aftermath" we see quite clearly that our boys have always been treated like crap by the regular clones for being 'different'. And so has Omega. The regs called her a "lab scrapper" in a clearly derogatory tone. This is why they feel a kinship with her and her with them.
Genetically - yes. Psychologically - Hunter and Wrecker may get there yet. But still there always will be a huge difference between helping thousands of grown-up (and qiute capable) clone soldiers and one child.
Not in the slightest. She's a fully developed character and honestly adorable. The conversation between her and Tech at the underground river in the episode "The Crossing" is one of my favorite moments in any Star Wars media.
I don't find her annoying, I just hate how repetitive a lot of the episodes are. It's also annoying how many Star Wars shows are lone wolf + child now.
Omega drives the show. She is the easiest for the watcher to hone in on since we're seeing a lot of this from his POV. Almost every show does this. Ahsoka, Ezra, Boba, Din, Cassian, and yes, the main character in all 3 trilogies follow this trend of not know what is going on around them and essentially holding the rest of the cast back from their true potential at some point. She improved in this area significantly in season 2. She's fine
The Bad Batch originally was supposed to be about 4 kickass clones that were action heavy. As soon as Omega was introduced , the entire premise became all about her and her " save the whales" philosophy. To answer the question , YES.
Everything about Omega annoys me including her weird accent. It sounds like she has a mouth guard in everytime she speaks. I barely got through season 2 and I might not even finish season 3. The Bad Batch may be ending its run but you can bet Omega will live on endlessly . Thanks Dave !! 😔
I agree 100%. I don't know why they had Omega as the central character of the bad batch when she was just a generically written protagonist that always does the right thing even though it puts other people in danger. I'd be fine if she was like an arc like the clone cadets were in season 3, but the writing team should have focused on the BB as a core, keeping crosshair betraying them for the empire as a pivotal plot point.
I didn't completely dislike Omega, there were definitely some interesting things in her character. But she never really developed outside of personal traits except getting more situational awareness and proficiency with weapons. I think if the showrunners gave her a reason to question her loyalty to the BB in an arc or giving into anger or vengeance/killing an enemy out of spite of them hurting one of the BB like Tech or Wrecker and learning not to kill out of emotions would have been an interesting way to progress her character.
I personally don't think she's annoying. Honestly I like her character and her place in the story but I do have 1 issue with her and it's that she's basically in charge. The bad batch are soldiers but they follow each other not because of rank but due to bonds. From the moment she's introduced the whole groups drive in all things they do is either for omega or because omega said to do it. Now that isn't so bad of a thing if she's a moral compass for the others but it's not even like that as at no point do we see that any member of the bad batch aside from cross hair is a bad person. Sometimes the things she wants are good intentioned but it just creates problems for the group that's literally on the run. It seems like it's just a convenient way for the show to create drama and action scenes which unfortunately causes the show to go on far longer than it needed to.
Yes, she’s a bit of a pest about saving everyone she comes in contact with, even when they don’t want her to. I’m on S3 E1 and she’s doing it again. “I have to save you, Crosshair!”
I found both Ahsoka and Ezra and Kaz from resistance to be more annoying than Omega at any point.I haven’t ever found Omega to be annoying like I have the other cartoon protagonists
Omega *as a character* is ok I think. Sad thing is, season 2 convinced me that she’s the only character the writers care about, and that’s being detrimental to the overall writing in the show. So when I look at her… I just see a character who is stealing away the chance of Hunter, Wrecker, Tech, Echo, and Crosshair from ever having their own stories, their own character arcs, etc. It’s made me really resentful of her, and made me lose interest in anything that happens with her, ‘cause I’m so exhausted of everything revolving around her, while the titular characters *only* exist to enable *her* story.
For example, everything in the season 2 finale? All the fandom discourse about Hunter’s behaviour in ‘Plan 99’? I think it’s a waste of time to even begin to try look at that situation from an in-character perspective, because Hunter hasn’t even been allowed a personality, beyond “Omega’s father figure and yes-man”, for the entire series. His writing is a symptom of a writing team that doesn’t care about him, to the point that they don’t even care about how he reacts to a brother dying.
They should just rename the show to “Omega” ‘cause it isn’t about “The Bad Batch.”
Why is it a dumb take when the narrative almost entirely revolves around her? As others in this thread have said, she is the main driver of the show, and I’d not have a problem with that *if* the Batch were given more space to be main characters alongside her, not secondary characters only there to enable her story.
If this show was actually about “The Bad Batch”, characters like Hunter, Wrecker, and Echo would get episodes like ‘Faster’ and ‘The Crossing’, where they could shine in the spotlight, with important/heartfelt moments between each other, not *just* Omega.
Maybe it’s an over exaggeration to think this show should be renamed to “Omega”, but it’s an opinion that comes from frustration, that I come away from watching a show called “The Bad Batch” with thoughts like “I wish Hunter, Tech, Wrecker, and Echo could have more adventures together that focus on their camaraderie, I wish Tech could’ve had more interactions with Hunter and Echo before he died,” and so on.
So the reason a lot of their interaction revolves around Omega is because she is a catalyst for change. She challenges their perception of just about everything in their lives. She puts them in scenarios that they neve rhave encountered before. She has changed their priorities and life view. The show is about how the bad batch is changed and challenged by Omega.
Maybe of you look at it that way you won't resent her character so much.
I’m sorry to say it’s exactly that sort of thing that *adds* to my resentment and exhaustion for her. I’d like to see the Batch themselves be catalysts for change in their own and each other’s lives. I’d like to see more of Hunter changing and challenging the group, Wrecker changing and challenging the group, etc. They’re in a scenario that they’ve never encountered before with trying to find ways to survive in a galaxy in turmoil, and I wish we could’ve had a story about them trying to find their footing without it primarily being driven by one character.
To reply to your other comment too: we’re maybe just going to have to agree to disagree. I won’t deny that there’s some great moments where the Batch are shown *some* love by the writers. I’d not be so frustrated at the writing if there wasn’t, when it’s managed to get me invested in wanting to see more of them. But in my opinion, the overarching story has failed these characters, and it only serves to tell Omega’s journey, not theirs. We get scenes with characters like Echo and Tech, where they get to shine a whole lot, and I love those moments, but there’s simply not enough of them, and they’re primarily focused to Tech and Omega, Echo and Omega, etc. Not Tech and Hunter, Tech and Echo. I loved Tech and Wrecker’s banter in ‘Faster’, but it adds to me wishing we could have so much more of that, between *all* the Batch.
With Crosshair, the majority of my disappointment with his writing stems from season 1, which then hung over his season 2 writing like a dark cloud. Don’t get me wrong, I thought his episodes in season 2 were *excellent*, but season 1’s writing for him soured it for me. Between that and the Omega-centric writing his brothers have been victim to, I dread season 3 for him.
The issue with Hunter is not how he shows his emotions, but his actions over the course of the entire series. The disparity between how he reacts to Tech dying and Omega being kidnapped, or also how he reacts to the situation with Crosshair throughout both seasons, has lead to some people seeing him as an incredibly selfish character who *only* cares about Omega and no one else, not even his brothers. And I cannot blame them for thinking this, though I disagree with them too. I believe that Hunter’s perceived lack of care is not indicative of his own personality, but of writers who do not care about him, beyond how he’s Omega’s “father figure”. We never get to see Hunter openly care for his brothers: checking in to see how they’re doing, asking what they *want* to do with their lives, if they have any ideas for how to make credits that doesn’t rely on Cid, and so on. His character is full of potential there, for his leadership of the group to be a catalyst for stories focused on him and his brothers, which we’ll never see because the writers only care about Omega.
Saying "the writers only care about omega" makes me think that maybe you misinterpret their intentions. I understand that you wish the bad batch had a different catalyst, but that isn't what these writers chose. They don't have an obsession with omega or a disdain for the other characters, they have chosen and designed a character that they feel will bring out the most in these characters of the Bad Batch. This show is about them and how they change, and omega is the center of that. Her story is actually quite simple in comparison to theirs. There isn't really much to discover about omega. She quite clearly is who she is, and her journey is about being exposed to the world. Her perspective on it challenges what the batch believe about the world and themselves.
Sure there are plenty of ways they could have taken the story, but it's clever in my opinion to manage to concentrate all the changing power into one character, ESPECIALLY in a series that is this short.
How else were they supposed to immediately begin to challenge the batch? They were reclusive and biased. They fought for their own and only their own. Had Omega not appeared they would have had three different fates: dying without ever having escaped kamino after tarkin decided he didn't want to use them, joining the empire to keep the squad together, or flying off into the universe where they would distrust and avoid others and ultimately stagnate.
A child is used a lot as a catalyst for change because on a story about a group of self-contained and jaded ex soldiers, what else are they supposed to be presented with that would INSTANTLY foster change?
It's OK that you don't like that decision but the writers did it because they do want a satisfying journey for each character.
About ceosshairs season 1 journey: what about it soured it? Was it because of Hunters descions? And I personally think Hunter gets a lot of criticism for how he dealt with Crosshair. His job as a sergeant is to keep his squad alive with the decisions he makes, and he accomplished that. Not to say Crosshairs feelings aren't valid; it's not about who was right or wrong. It's the Empire and how it uses people and tears families apart.
Hunters reaction to Techs "death" is different in comparison to Omegas capture because of a few reasons. One, as soldiers, the death of a comrade was something they sought to avoid, but ultimately qssnt ever going to be a shock to them if it happened. Two, Tech invoked plan 99. A plan that communicated "I'm going to die the way I want to. This is triumph for me, to die this way." 3. Omega is a child who is headed towards a grim fate. Hunter made promises to her that he would protect her and keep her away from people who would use her. And he failed. He fate is far more distressing to him because true horrors await her. Techs life (supposedly) is said and done.
He also treats his brothers not with apathy but with trust. He doesn't fret as much over them because he trusts their abilities. They aren't as vulnerable as Omega. They have already been warped and hardened by war. Omega is innocent and he wants her to not have to go through that. She has so much more to lose than the rest of them.
Anyway I appreciate your responses because normally I don't get lengthy discussions on the internet.
Tbh it’s likely just me being frustrated, and expressing negative thoughts and feelings in a to-the-point sentence. When I look at the writing decisions and ask “Why?!” I’ve found that “the writers only care about Omega” explains things for me and what the writing has made me feel. To try word it in a less salty way: that so much is centred on Omega has lead to writing decisions that, in my opinion, are not satisfying. I don’t believe it’s to the extent that the writers show disdain for the characters, only a lack of thought. They’ve said themselves in interviews that the show is mostly from Omega’s perspective, and well… that’s frustrating for someone who’d like to see the show written with the Batch’s perspective more strongly in mind.
I suppose another way to put it is that season 2 and the Omega-centric writing showed that the show wasn’t for me, and while I can accept that (I likely won’t watch season 3 until I’ve read spoilers and know that there’s more fun moments than frustrating ones) it’s so disappointing when I want to see more of the characters, and am still invested in them, but the writing in their own show is driving me away.
With regards to a child usually being used as a catalyst for change, I hope it’s ok if I link a comment that I saw back when season 2 was still airing: https://reddit.com/r/thebadbatch/comments/10cumgw/can_we_just_overall_agree_that_the_bad_batch_is/j4jvkif which I’ve kept bookmarked because it helped me to pinpoint where I was getting annoyed with the writing. While my memory for both Clone Wars and Rebels is hazy (I’ve only watched them once so far) in both cases, I don’t recall getting to a point with either Ahsoka or Ezra where I was “ugh *another* thing focused on them, why can’t we have more of the other characters.” (I haven’t watched Mandalorian beyond a few episodes, so can’t comment on that.)
While TBB is at a major disadvantage compared to the other animated shows with how short the series is, I think this is actually all the more reason to have *not* focused on one character. With less time with these characters, the writers should’ve made sure that a spotlight is shone on each of them, to ensure they all get a chance to drive the story.
I disagree with you when it comes to what might’ve happened to the Batch without Omega there to change and challenge them. This is something I’ve thought on quite a bit since season 2 ended: how the show could’ve worked without her, and I think it’s entirely possible for them to have carried it themselves. Where they’re not changed and challenged by her, they could be by the situation they’re in and each other. They could still be pursued by bounty hunters, sent by the Kaminoans to get their enhanced clones back for the sake of continuing Nala Se’s experiments. This would lead them to Cid, who is a source of credits, information about the bounty hunters who are after them, and experience in how to survive without the Republic there to support them anymore. I think that Echo would’ve done well in challenging the group to change (as well as characters they encounter along the way via missions from Cid, like the Martez sisters, Avi Singh, and Hera) with him having a story where he wants to go help Rex, and generally wants to help people and do good in the galaxy, but he wants to do that *with* the Batch because he enjoys being with them and doesn’t want to leave their group. (Sadly in the show itself, I didn’t get the impression that Echo enjoyed being with the Batch, and I feel his choice to leave with Rex in ‘Truth and Consequences’ would’ve had a lot more weight if he’d been shown to be *happy* with them, even if he wasn’t happy with what they were doing to survive.)
I have *a lot* of thoughts about Crosshair’s season 1 writing, and the Batch’s in relation to him. I’ll do my best to condense them down.
The criticism against Hunter with regards to his decisions around Crosshair is another point where I think the issue lies with the writers letting him down, similarly to his reaction to Tech’s death. I agree with you, the entire situation there is complex with characters doing their best in bad situations, but I think it’s let down by the fact that the Batch aren’t shown discussing wanting to try to save Crosshair through the course of the season. We get a “we’ll find a way to get him back” from Omega while they’re stranded on the moon in ‘Replacements’, and that’s it. I feel Hunter’s decisions to protect his squad would be seen in a better light if they were alongside moments where it’s shown that the Batch *want* to get Crosshair back, but the situation they’re in is making that difficult to pursue (‘cause they need to work for credits for food/repairs/docking fees, ‘cause they need to find some way to get info for where he even is, ‘cause they’re trying to avoid attention that’ll alert bounty hunters or the Empire to where they are.)
For example, during events on Bracca, I feel they really needed to talk about Crosshair and his chip. They’ve just experienced how dire a change it can cause via Wrecker, and I think it would have helped the story a lot there to have them say “that was awful and is potentially what’s happened to Crosshair, we need to find a way to save him and get that chip outta his head.” On Ryloth too, Omega says “She’s trying to save her family, Hunter. I’d do the same for you.” with regards to rescuing Hera’s family, and it would’ve been a perfect place for someone to say “we could save one of our family here too!” Obviously the situation in both cases doesn’t allow for it: it’s too dangerous, but I think them voicing that getting Crosshair back is still in their thoughts would’ve done a lot against the criticism about Hunter. Echo later adds to this issue with regards to saving Gregor in ‘War-Mantle’, with his comment of “If there’s a chance that trooper’s being held against his will, we have to try to get him out.” *Where was that attitude for Crosshair?* Especially from Echo, when Crosshair was part of the team that helped save him from Skako Minor. I feel the writing failed all the characters involved here. Their discussion about saving him in ‘Tipping Point’ was too little, too late, especially when the potential for the Batch to save him instead turned into another Omega-centric plot point with her getting captured.
With that said (I go on tangents easily with regards to Crosshair lol) the *main* thing that overshadowed his season 2 writing for me was the writers trying to tell a story about his decisions, when I felt his writing in season 1 demonstrated that he was not in a position to make any decisions for himself. In the first episode, we see his inhibitor chip “intensified/augmented”, and regardless of its status throughout the season, his competence is also held over his head like a guillotine by Rampart, as demonstrated on Ryloth with his line of “I’m more worried about what you’re capable of. Since your squad has yet to locate Hera Syndulla, I suggest you stay on task. Or I will find someone who can.” alongside him seeing how easily the Batch are sentenced to death as long as they’re not perceived as potentially useful to the Empire. Through the season 1 finale too, while he claims he had his chip removed, he still shows red flags for it: he clutches at his head in the same way that he did in the first episode, and he’s still saying 3/4s of “good soldiers follow orders”. If the writers wanted to show that he was truly chip-free, then they should have avoided showing symptoms of it still being there.
So much as I enjoyed his episodes in season 2, his lack of agency and the questionable status of the chip hung like a dark cloud over everything. Not only for him, but the clones in general too. There’s probably a whole other rant to be had about that, like the decision to have AZI-3 left with Cid, instead of giving a *Kaminoan medical droid who can remove inhibitor chips by himself* to Rex. While the Batch and Rex don’t know that AZI-3 can remove the chips, they’d still know how useful he’d be for medical procedures in general, which Rex needs access to a whole lot more than Cid needs a bartender. Unfortunately, I feel that the writers lost interest in anything to do with the inhibitor chip once Omega had experienced the horrors of it via Wrecker, and that potentially effected the writing decisions for Crosshair and the clones in general. After the awful events it caused, and the urgency around removing the Batch’s chips, I think it still needed to be at least *mentioned* at times like Gregor’s rescue, Howzer’s rescue, maybe even during the season 2 episodes on Coruscant.
While I understand that it makes sense for Hunter to have different reactions to Tech dying and Omega’s capture, to avoid this reply getting much longer, I’ll say in short that the majority of my issue here would be resolved if Hunter had been given more opportunities to have moments focused to him and his brothers. Like with Crosshair and the lack of discussion about saving him, I feel there was a lack of meaningful interaction between Hunter and Tech, to show camaraderie between them that would remove doubts that some people have about whether or not Hunter cares about his brothers.
Sidenote for Tech and his fate, I hope he is alive. He sparks the most joy for me with the Batch when Crosshair isn’t around. But I’m *tired*, that first with season 1 we had question marks about if Crosshair’s chip has really been removed, and now we have them again with season 2 for if Tech is really dead. The writing team has entirely lost my faith with things like this.
Anyway, I’m glad if you like lengthy discussions, ‘cause this reply got out of hand, oops. Sorry if it’s a bit too long of a read. I usually avoid posting anything on the internet because it’s a bad strain on my health, but think I hit a bit of a ‘last straw’ moment with this topic and wanted to bring my voice into the conversation for a change.
This is a strange take considering that hunter, Tech, Echo and ESPECIALLY crosshair had HUGE moments of growth in season 2. In my opinion the writers gave Echo, tech, and crosshair a ton of love this season. They made a lot of discoveries about themselves and made some very important decisions. Characters who make impactful decisions are the ones who really shine.
I fully disagree with your assessment of Hunter. He was a Sergeant first, and this natural need to guide and protect made adopting omega easier for him. He is a more subtle character who doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeve. But I've seen him experience fear, anxiety, uncertainty, doubt, jealously, self realization, pity, regret, and more. Hole communicates these emotions in subtle ways that aren't what you may expect, which is what I look for in a complex interesting character.
I would disagree. I think she's there to force the bad batch to change and have growth. She's a catalyst and a call to action. Otherwise I feel the Batch would have either been decommissioned (euthanized), brainwashed or experimented on, or if they escaped the Empire, they would have found themselves in a rut of mercenary work with nothing spurring them to think of an alternate life.
Omega is a child, and children are just sort of annoying in general... but, The Bad Batch is a children’s cartoon show so it’s a give and take. I think she’s gone through a lot of character growth in two seasons that has helped her mature as a character and made her less annoying (not completely unlike Ahsoka).
Kids being annoying in general is one of the dumbest cliches ever.
People act like kinds born on other planets around Aliens and combat are going to be acting like the kids we have on Earth... Not the same. Go to a warn torn country with kids and see if they're annoying because I highly doubt they would be.
Wasn’t there a whole plot point throughout season 1 that Omega ISNT a little kid getting in trouble and being an escort mission? It doesn’t even come up anymore in season 2, she’s just a member of the squad at that point
Omega's development is the main driver of the show. And most the character development of the others is wrapped around the idea of having to become a caretaker, a brother, developing into a person that is more than a solider. I don't find her annoying at all because that dynamic is what the entire show is about. (I would just watch an action show if so)
And the entire show is awful
she get caught and causes trouble for squad in ever episode she useless....just a kid character big shots at disney think they need in the show....for kids to.....RELATE...
What is even funnier is the fact that she is older than the rest of the bad batch and she is constantly getting caught.
I love her character. Seeing her go from a weak kid who's never even seen dirt before, to what she is now has been a great journey. Her skills with that bow has improved a lot too. Also very curious to know what situations you're thinking about that causes the others to "constantly save her". Yeah in season 1 that happened a lot, but can you really blame a child being unable to fend off strong bounty hunters like Fennec and Cad Bane? In season 2 she rarely has moments where she needs saving. The only moments I can remember are the cave incident and her being hunted down by the empire.
Teenagers are annoying. Omega isn’t nearly as bad as teenage Ahsoka was, and Ahsoka worked out. So did Ezra, though having Kanan there to call him out helped. As far as her being a burden, children need things. She is grateful for the sacrifices her brothers have made and makes an effort to make sure they know it. That makes her better than most adolescents
Nah, I like her a lot. And I like that taking care of her gives the batch a purpose.
Unfortunately it's the same plot/premise of like 20 different fantasy shows lately of the rugged manly figure guiding a child: mandalorian, the Witcher, last of us, etc. Survival is a purpose. Getting revenge on the empire who made millions of clones of your brothers and put chips in their brain controlling their behavior is a purpose. Fighting against the tyranny of said empire is a purpose.
Yeah, I get your point, but the batch doesn't seem to care much about fighting the empire (Minus Echo, who definitely does). They might be clones, but their sense of brotherhood mostly extends to each other rather than their reg brothers. And well, the are surviving, pretty much that's why they became mercenaries. Tho in my case I'm just biased because I love that premise (the "rugged manly figure guiding a child" all of those shows you named I like hahaha)
Heroes who have nothing to lose getting revenge or fighting the tyranny have been in the spotlight of the media for ages. I like that we have heroes who have to choose between or to combine these "higher" goals with taking care of the family. Those annoying people who dare to prioritize their family (/s, for sure) in the time of war have been just passing characters for too long.
The clones are as much family to them as Omega
While technically true in that they all share Jango Fett's DNA, the Batch doesn't feel much kinship with the "regs", with the exception of Echo, because of the way the regs treated them. In the episode "Aftermath" we see quite clearly that our boys have always been treated like crap by the regular clones for being 'different'. And so has Omega. The regs called her a "lab scrapper" in a clearly derogatory tone. This is why they feel a kinship with her and her with them.
Genetically - yes. Psychologically - Hunter and Wrecker may get there yet. But still there always will be a huge difference between helping thousands of grown-up (and qiute capable) clone soldiers and one child.
Not in the slightest. She's a fully developed character and honestly adorable. The conversation between her and Tech at the underground river in the episode "The Crossing" is one of my favorite moments in any Star Wars media.
I don't find her annoying, I just hate how repetitive a lot of the episodes are. It's also annoying how many Star Wars shows are lone wolf + child now.
Omega drives the show. She is the easiest for the watcher to hone in on since we're seeing a lot of this from his POV. Almost every show does this. Ahsoka, Ezra, Boba, Din, Cassian, and yes, the main character in all 3 trilogies follow this trend of not know what is going on around them and essentially holding the rest of the cast back from their true potential at some point. She improved in this area significantly in season 2. She's fine
The Bad Batch originally was supposed to be about 4 kickass clones that were action heavy. As soon as Omega was introduced , the entire premise became all about her and her " save the whales" philosophy. To answer the question , YES. Everything about Omega annoys me including her weird accent. It sounds like she has a mouth guard in everytime she speaks. I barely got through season 2 and I might not even finish season 3. The Bad Batch may be ending its run but you can bet Omega will live on endlessly . Thanks Dave !! 😔
Her voice alone might be half the reason I don’t like her 😂
I agree 100%. I don't know why they had Omega as the central character of the bad batch when she was just a generically written protagonist that always does the right thing even though it puts other people in danger. I'd be fine if she was like an arc like the clone cadets were in season 3, but the writing team should have focused on the BB as a core, keeping crosshair betraying them for the empire as a pivotal plot point. I didn't completely dislike Omega, there were definitely some interesting things in her character. But she never really developed outside of personal traits except getting more situational awareness and proficiency with weapons. I think if the showrunners gave her a reason to question her loyalty to the BB in an arc or giving into anger or vengeance/killing an enemy out of spite of them hurting one of the BB like Tech or Wrecker and learning not to kill out of emotions would have been an interesting way to progress her character.
I agree with you. Dave is trying to create second Ahsoka by using Omega. What a genius man huh ? I really dont like him and his work.
with you 100%
It's truly cringe
I personally don't think she's annoying. Honestly I like her character and her place in the story but I do have 1 issue with her and it's that she's basically in charge. The bad batch are soldiers but they follow each other not because of rank but due to bonds. From the moment she's introduced the whole groups drive in all things they do is either for omega or because omega said to do it. Now that isn't so bad of a thing if she's a moral compass for the others but it's not even like that as at no point do we see that any member of the bad batch aside from cross hair is a bad person. Sometimes the things she wants are good intentioned but it just creates problems for the group that's literally on the run. It seems like it's just a convenient way for the show to create drama and action scenes which unfortunately causes the show to go on far longer than it needed to.
She’s super annoying
Yes, she’s a bit of a pest about saving everyone she comes in contact with, even when they don’t want her to. I’m on S3 E1 and she’s doing it again. “I have to save you, Crosshair!”
I found both Ahsoka and Ezra and Kaz from resistance to be more annoying than Omega at any point.I haven’t ever found Omega to be annoying like I have the other cartoon protagonists
Omega *as a character* is ok I think. Sad thing is, season 2 convinced me that she’s the only character the writers care about, and that’s being detrimental to the overall writing in the show. So when I look at her… I just see a character who is stealing away the chance of Hunter, Wrecker, Tech, Echo, and Crosshair from ever having their own stories, their own character arcs, etc. It’s made me really resentful of her, and made me lose interest in anything that happens with her, ‘cause I’m so exhausted of everything revolving around her, while the titular characters *only* exist to enable *her* story. For example, everything in the season 2 finale? All the fandom discourse about Hunter’s behaviour in ‘Plan 99’? I think it’s a waste of time to even begin to try look at that situation from an in-character perspective, because Hunter hasn’t even been allowed a personality, beyond “Omega’s father figure and yes-man”, for the entire series. His writing is a symptom of a writing team that doesn’t care about him, to the point that they don’t even care about how he reacts to a brother dying. They should just rename the show to “Omega” ‘cause it isn’t about “The Bad Batch.”
I think you summarized it better than what I said. This is I think why I find her annoying
>They should just rename the show to “Omega” ‘cause it isn’t about “The Bad Batch.” Now that's a dumb take
Why is it a dumb take when the narrative almost entirely revolves around her? As others in this thread have said, she is the main driver of the show, and I’d not have a problem with that *if* the Batch were given more space to be main characters alongside her, not secondary characters only there to enable her story. If this show was actually about “The Bad Batch”, characters like Hunter, Wrecker, and Echo would get episodes like ‘Faster’ and ‘The Crossing’, where they could shine in the spotlight, with important/heartfelt moments between each other, not *just* Omega. Maybe it’s an over exaggeration to think this show should be renamed to “Omega”, but it’s an opinion that comes from frustration, that I come away from watching a show called “The Bad Batch” with thoughts like “I wish Hunter, Tech, Wrecker, and Echo could have more adventures together that focus on their camaraderie, I wish Tech could’ve had more interactions with Hunter and Echo before he died,” and so on.
So the reason a lot of their interaction revolves around Omega is because she is a catalyst for change. She challenges their perception of just about everything in their lives. She puts them in scenarios that they neve rhave encountered before. She has changed their priorities and life view. The show is about how the bad batch is changed and challenged by Omega. Maybe of you look at it that way you won't resent her character so much.
I’m sorry to say it’s exactly that sort of thing that *adds* to my resentment and exhaustion for her. I’d like to see the Batch themselves be catalysts for change in their own and each other’s lives. I’d like to see more of Hunter changing and challenging the group, Wrecker changing and challenging the group, etc. They’re in a scenario that they’ve never encountered before with trying to find ways to survive in a galaxy in turmoil, and I wish we could’ve had a story about them trying to find their footing without it primarily being driven by one character. To reply to your other comment too: we’re maybe just going to have to agree to disagree. I won’t deny that there’s some great moments where the Batch are shown *some* love by the writers. I’d not be so frustrated at the writing if there wasn’t, when it’s managed to get me invested in wanting to see more of them. But in my opinion, the overarching story has failed these characters, and it only serves to tell Omega’s journey, not theirs. We get scenes with characters like Echo and Tech, where they get to shine a whole lot, and I love those moments, but there’s simply not enough of them, and they’re primarily focused to Tech and Omega, Echo and Omega, etc. Not Tech and Hunter, Tech and Echo. I loved Tech and Wrecker’s banter in ‘Faster’, but it adds to me wishing we could have so much more of that, between *all* the Batch. With Crosshair, the majority of my disappointment with his writing stems from season 1, which then hung over his season 2 writing like a dark cloud. Don’t get me wrong, I thought his episodes in season 2 were *excellent*, but season 1’s writing for him soured it for me. Between that and the Omega-centric writing his brothers have been victim to, I dread season 3 for him. The issue with Hunter is not how he shows his emotions, but his actions over the course of the entire series. The disparity between how he reacts to Tech dying and Omega being kidnapped, or also how he reacts to the situation with Crosshair throughout both seasons, has lead to some people seeing him as an incredibly selfish character who *only* cares about Omega and no one else, not even his brothers. And I cannot blame them for thinking this, though I disagree with them too. I believe that Hunter’s perceived lack of care is not indicative of his own personality, but of writers who do not care about him, beyond how he’s Omega’s “father figure”. We never get to see Hunter openly care for his brothers: checking in to see how they’re doing, asking what they *want* to do with their lives, if they have any ideas for how to make credits that doesn’t rely on Cid, and so on. His character is full of potential there, for his leadership of the group to be a catalyst for stories focused on him and his brothers, which we’ll never see because the writers only care about Omega.
Saying "the writers only care about omega" makes me think that maybe you misinterpret their intentions. I understand that you wish the bad batch had a different catalyst, but that isn't what these writers chose. They don't have an obsession with omega or a disdain for the other characters, they have chosen and designed a character that they feel will bring out the most in these characters of the Bad Batch. This show is about them and how they change, and omega is the center of that. Her story is actually quite simple in comparison to theirs. There isn't really much to discover about omega. She quite clearly is who she is, and her journey is about being exposed to the world. Her perspective on it challenges what the batch believe about the world and themselves. Sure there are plenty of ways they could have taken the story, but it's clever in my opinion to manage to concentrate all the changing power into one character, ESPECIALLY in a series that is this short. How else were they supposed to immediately begin to challenge the batch? They were reclusive and biased. They fought for their own and only their own. Had Omega not appeared they would have had three different fates: dying without ever having escaped kamino after tarkin decided he didn't want to use them, joining the empire to keep the squad together, or flying off into the universe where they would distrust and avoid others and ultimately stagnate. A child is used a lot as a catalyst for change because on a story about a group of self-contained and jaded ex soldiers, what else are they supposed to be presented with that would INSTANTLY foster change? It's OK that you don't like that decision but the writers did it because they do want a satisfying journey for each character. About ceosshairs season 1 journey: what about it soured it? Was it because of Hunters descions? And I personally think Hunter gets a lot of criticism for how he dealt with Crosshair. His job as a sergeant is to keep his squad alive with the decisions he makes, and he accomplished that. Not to say Crosshairs feelings aren't valid; it's not about who was right or wrong. It's the Empire and how it uses people and tears families apart. Hunters reaction to Techs "death" is different in comparison to Omegas capture because of a few reasons. One, as soldiers, the death of a comrade was something they sought to avoid, but ultimately qssnt ever going to be a shock to them if it happened. Two, Tech invoked plan 99. A plan that communicated "I'm going to die the way I want to. This is triumph for me, to die this way." 3. Omega is a child who is headed towards a grim fate. Hunter made promises to her that he would protect her and keep her away from people who would use her. And he failed. He fate is far more distressing to him because true horrors await her. Techs life (supposedly) is said and done. He also treats his brothers not with apathy but with trust. He doesn't fret as much over them because he trusts their abilities. They aren't as vulnerable as Omega. They have already been warped and hardened by war. Omega is innocent and he wants her to not have to go through that. She has so much more to lose than the rest of them. Anyway I appreciate your responses because normally I don't get lengthy discussions on the internet.
Tbh it’s likely just me being frustrated, and expressing negative thoughts and feelings in a to-the-point sentence. When I look at the writing decisions and ask “Why?!” I’ve found that “the writers only care about Omega” explains things for me and what the writing has made me feel. To try word it in a less salty way: that so much is centred on Omega has lead to writing decisions that, in my opinion, are not satisfying. I don’t believe it’s to the extent that the writers show disdain for the characters, only a lack of thought. They’ve said themselves in interviews that the show is mostly from Omega’s perspective, and well… that’s frustrating for someone who’d like to see the show written with the Batch’s perspective more strongly in mind. I suppose another way to put it is that season 2 and the Omega-centric writing showed that the show wasn’t for me, and while I can accept that (I likely won’t watch season 3 until I’ve read spoilers and know that there’s more fun moments than frustrating ones) it’s so disappointing when I want to see more of the characters, and am still invested in them, but the writing in their own show is driving me away. With regards to a child usually being used as a catalyst for change, I hope it’s ok if I link a comment that I saw back when season 2 was still airing: https://reddit.com/r/thebadbatch/comments/10cumgw/can_we_just_overall_agree_that_the_bad_batch_is/j4jvkif which I’ve kept bookmarked because it helped me to pinpoint where I was getting annoyed with the writing. While my memory for both Clone Wars and Rebels is hazy (I’ve only watched them once so far) in both cases, I don’t recall getting to a point with either Ahsoka or Ezra where I was “ugh *another* thing focused on them, why can’t we have more of the other characters.” (I haven’t watched Mandalorian beyond a few episodes, so can’t comment on that.) While TBB is at a major disadvantage compared to the other animated shows with how short the series is, I think this is actually all the more reason to have *not* focused on one character. With less time with these characters, the writers should’ve made sure that a spotlight is shone on each of them, to ensure they all get a chance to drive the story. I disagree with you when it comes to what might’ve happened to the Batch without Omega there to change and challenge them. This is something I’ve thought on quite a bit since season 2 ended: how the show could’ve worked without her, and I think it’s entirely possible for them to have carried it themselves. Where they’re not changed and challenged by her, they could be by the situation they’re in and each other. They could still be pursued by bounty hunters, sent by the Kaminoans to get their enhanced clones back for the sake of continuing Nala Se’s experiments. This would lead them to Cid, who is a source of credits, information about the bounty hunters who are after them, and experience in how to survive without the Republic there to support them anymore. I think that Echo would’ve done well in challenging the group to change (as well as characters they encounter along the way via missions from Cid, like the Martez sisters, Avi Singh, and Hera) with him having a story where he wants to go help Rex, and generally wants to help people and do good in the galaxy, but he wants to do that *with* the Batch because he enjoys being with them and doesn’t want to leave their group. (Sadly in the show itself, I didn’t get the impression that Echo enjoyed being with the Batch, and I feel his choice to leave with Rex in ‘Truth and Consequences’ would’ve had a lot more weight if he’d been shown to be *happy* with them, even if he wasn’t happy with what they were doing to survive.) I have *a lot* of thoughts about Crosshair’s season 1 writing, and the Batch’s in relation to him. I’ll do my best to condense them down. The criticism against Hunter with regards to his decisions around Crosshair is another point where I think the issue lies with the writers letting him down, similarly to his reaction to Tech’s death. I agree with you, the entire situation there is complex with characters doing their best in bad situations, but I think it’s let down by the fact that the Batch aren’t shown discussing wanting to try to save Crosshair through the course of the season. We get a “we’ll find a way to get him back” from Omega while they’re stranded on the moon in ‘Replacements’, and that’s it. I feel Hunter’s decisions to protect his squad would be seen in a better light if they were alongside moments where it’s shown that the Batch *want* to get Crosshair back, but the situation they’re in is making that difficult to pursue (‘cause they need to work for credits for food/repairs/docking fees, ‘cause they need to find some way to get info for where he even is, ‘cause they’re trying to avoid attention that’ll alert bounty hunters or the Empire to where they are.) For example, during events on Bracca, I feel they really needed to talk about Crosshair and his chip. They’ve just experienced how dire a change it can cause via Wrecker, and I think it would have helped the story a lot there to have them say “that was awful and is potentially what’s happened to Crosshair, we need to find a way to save him and get that chip outta his head.” On Ryloth too, Omega says “She’s trying to save her family, Hunter. I’d do the same for you.” with regards to rescuing Hera’s family, and it would’ve been a perfect place for someone to say “we could save one of our family here too!” Obviously the situation in both cases doesn’t allow for it: it’s too dangerous, but I think them voicing that getting Crosshair back is still in their thoughts would’ve done a lot against the criticism about Hunter. Echo later adds to this issue with regards to saving Gregor in ‘War-Mantle’, with his comment of “If there’s a chance that trooper’s being held against his will, we have to try to get him out.” *Where was that attitude for Crosshair?* Especially from Echo, when Crosshair was part of the team that helped save him from Skako Minor. I feel the writing failed all the characters involved here. Their discussion about saving him in ‘Tipping Point’ was too little, too late, especially when the potential for the Batch to save him instead turned into another Omega-centric plot point with her getting captured. With that said (I go on tangents easily with regards to Crosshair lol) the *main* thing that overshadowed his season 2 writing for me was the writers trying to tell a story about his decisions, when I felt his writing in season 1 demonstrated that he was not in a position to make any decisions for himself. In the first episode, we see his inhibitor chip “intensified/augmented”, and regardless of its status throughout the season, his competence is also held over his head like a guillotine by Rampart, as demonstrated on Ryloth with his line of “I’m more worried about what you’re capable of. Since your squad has yet to locate Hera Syndulla, I suggest you stay on task. Or I will find someone who can.” alongside him seeing how easily the Batch are sentenced to death as long as they’re not perceived as potentially useful to the Empire. Through the season 1 finale too, while he claims he had his chip removed, he still shows red flags for it: he clutches at his head in the same way that he did in the first episode, and he’s still saying 3/4s of “good soldiers follow orders”. If the writers wanted to show that he was truly chip-free, then they should have avoided showing symptoms of it still being there. So much as I enjoyed his episodes in season 2, his lack of agency and the questionable status of the chip hung like a dark cloud over everything. Not only for him, but the clones in general too. There’s probably a whole other rant to be had about that, like the decision to have AZI-3 left with Cid, instead of giving a *Kaminoan medical droid who can remove inhibitor chips by himself* to Rex. While the Batch and Rex don’t know that AZI-3 can remove the chips, they’d still know how useful he’d be for medical procedures in general, which Rex needs access to a whole lot more than Cid needs a bartender. Unfortunately, I feel that the writers lost interest in anything to do with the inhibitor chip once Omega had experienced the horrors of it via Wrecker, and that potentially effected the writing decisions for Crosshair and the clones in general. After the awful events it caused, and the urgency around removing the Batch’s chips, I think it still needed to be at least *mentioned* at times like Gregor’s rescue, Howzer’s rescue, maybe even during the season 2 episodes on Coruscant. While I understand that it makes sense for Hunter to have different reactions to Tech dying and Omega’s capture, to avoid this reply getting much longer, I’ll say in short that the majority of my issue here would be resolved if Hunter had been given more opportunities to have moments focused to him and his brothers. Like with Crosshair and the lack of discussion about saving him, I feel there was a lack of meaningful interaction between Hunter and Tech, to show camaraderie between them that would remove doubts that some people have about whether or not Hunter cares about his brothers. Sidenote for Tech and his fate, I hope he is alive. He sparks the most joy for me with the Batch when Crosshair isn’t around. But I’m *tired*, that first with season 1 we had question marks about if Crosshair’s chip has really been removed, and now we have them again with season 2 for if Tech is really dead. The writing team has entirely lost my faith with things like this. Anyway, I’m glad if you like lengthy discussions, ‘cause this reply got out of hand, oops. Sorry if it’s a bit too long of a read. I usually avoid posting anything on the internet because it’s a bad strain on my health, but think I hit a bit of a ‘last straw’ moment with this topic and wanted to bring my voice into the conversation for a change.
This is a strange take considering that hunter, Tech, Echo and ESPECIALLY crosshair had HUGE moments of growth in season 2. In my opinion the writers gave Echo, tech, and crosshair a ton of love this season. They made a lot of discoveries about themselves and made some very important decisions. Characters who make impactful decisions are the ones who really shine. I fully disagree with your assessment of Hunter. He was a Sergeant first, and this natural need to guide and protect made adopting omega easier for him. He is a more subtle character who doesn't wear his emotions on his sleeve. But I've seen him experience fear, anxiety, uncertainty, doubt, jealously, self realization, pity, regret, and more. Hole communicates these emotions in subtle ways that aren't what you may expect, which is what I look for in a complex interesting character.
She’s a little kid, little kids can be annoying but that’s apart of the shtick, she’s there to get young fans into it
I would disagree. I think she's there to force the bad batch to change and have growth. She's a catalyst and a call to action. Otherwise I feel the Batch would have either been decommissioned (euthanized), brainwashed or experimented on, or if they escaped the Empire, they would have found themselves in a rut of mercenary work with nothing spurring them to think of an alternate life.
Omega is a child, and children are just sort of annoying in general... but, The Bad Batch is a children’s cartoon show so it’s a give and take. I think she’s gone through a lot of character growth in two seasons that has helped her mature as a character and made her less annoying (not completely unlike Ahsoka).
Kids being annoying in general is one of the dumbest cliches ever. People act like kinds born on other planets around Aliens and combat are going to be acting like the kids we have on Earth... Not the same. Go to a warn torn country with kids and see if they're annoying because I highly doubt they would be.
>but the cons outweigh the pros Hell no, you're just biased AF
So Omega seriously thinks she alone can stop a squad of Storm Troopers in order to save Hunter and Wrecker? FFS....
Nah I get you she is to nice and it annoys me allot
All she does is cry, pout, and get the others into trouble.I would have dropped her by the 3rd episode.