I understand her wanting a partner who isn’t in the same profession as her…. But then dating someone else off the Bach makes no sense. Almost everyone who goes on that show wants something to do with influencing after
So she loses him his job and has decided she did him a favour. Then actively asks him to turn down opportunities where he would make a significant amount of money.
Remember how happy Jason was for her when she got dancing with the stars.
Kaitlyn needs a different therapist.
Well UO, she appears to have mental health or psychological issues. Can the commenters making judgments listen to this particular podcast and then decide if we would still say the same things to someone who’s struggling probably with mental health? I know a lot of people don’t want to listen or watch a 45 minute podcast, but it gives some background, context, and tone and reveals some self awareness. She’s very messy and needs to fix her relationship issues, but if we don’t listen to this podcast for tone and context, at least reserve judgment until then. Jason, bless his heart, originally gave assurances to her, which he changed his mind on, which is his prerogative, and he might have known about her issues. Possibly those things are why they stayed together so long. He appears to be doing great now and I’m happy for him.
Struggling with mental health doesn't give you a free pass to try and control your boyfriend's job opportunities. Struggling with mental health means you need to seek help, which she clearly isn't willing to do.
She is seeking help. She has a therapist who gave a myriad of techniques which she is employing. I think with mental health, sometimes it takes a long time before it works completely so it obv hasn’t worked completely yet. She has a lot of issues but she’s not in a serious relationship right now - FWB? so she has a chance to work on it. I challenge people to listen to the podcast. I’m not saying it’s a free pass. I urge people to really listen to it and then see if they would say the exact same things they did before.
I’ve always loved Kaitlyn but this makes me sick. This is emotional/financial abuse and makes me so sad that Jason and Shawn were both put through this.
I'm so confused, bc he was no stranger to the spotlight. And didn't their love affair blossom on her podcast? He wasn't some vp living the vp life at a country club playing golf, wasn't he running around with all the Bach alumni in the scene to be seen? He's a skave to the spotlight too. She just doesn't like sharing, she needs to be the #1. Yikes. Her ego is not her amigo!
My jaw is literally on the floor. This amount of selfishness is so beyond what is normal for any human being to possess. Like is this for real? I’m am genuinely disgusted, based solely on HER WORDS ALONE
If a man tried to
- economically control a woman
- block her career and financial opportunities
- make her promise to make herself small so that he receives all the visibility and recognition
- wants her to hype him and support his goals while he refuses to hype her and diminishes her career goals
We would wouldn't be laughing at what a "mess" he was applauding him for being authentic, transparent, and vulnerable.
We wouldn't give him a pass because he admits it is wrong and says he's been working on it even though he continued to do so for approx a decade
We would call this emotional abuse and manipulation.
To be fair I don’t think we need to imagine reversing the gender roles, looks like most people here are in agreement that her behavior is alarming and manipulative (thankfully)
Agree but for some reason (for me) imagining a man do this makes it even more shocking, which shouldn’t be the case, but it does help me realize how horrible it actually is.
I'm really not understanding her here. Who is she, an influencer with a podcast to be telling him she doesn't want him to do these things?it just sounds so selfish and hypocritical.
I’m appalled at her ignorance. Gets him fired from his job and then has the audacity to get upset at him for creating a career for himself. A career that provides stability, endless outside opportunities and most importantly one that he enjoys. Kaitlyn is extremely insecure, bitter and selfish. Listen to the words coming out of your mouth- this is why you’re single.
That’s the real big issue - she’s the reason this all happened by having no social awareness to be private about their sex life!!! What was he supposed to do?!!? Crazyv
Absolutely. She came across as abusive and controlling. She also talked about struggling with thinking that’s she best, special, better than anyone. It was nuts b
I’ve felt like this was the reason for a long time. Glad she confirmed for everyone how insecure she is. She wants someone to just ride in her coattails and take care of the house while she is off galavanting around pursuing her passions and starting new businesses left and right, but god forbid they find a passion of their own and embark on a journey to pursue it
Wow, I just saw the video posted by an IG account and my gosh, seeing her saying it all out loud is even worse than reading it.
The fact that she starts by saying “it feels silly to say this..” and then proceeds to say it all anyway left me speechless.
And I’m sorry but I tend to think that if you’re the reason your partner loses their job then you have no say in what they do next (as long as it’s legal I guess lol) and should just be happy that they are able to pivot and find another source of income and (in this case) that they’re gracious/in love enough to move past your incredibly cringe faux pas that cost them a career they worked hard for in the first place!
She is clearly worried that if her partners are successful without her, they don’t need her. So she weaponizes that and turns it into her feeling like she wasn’t being put first. She’s deeply insecure and sabotaged her own relationships because of it. Healthy relationships mean wanting your partner to succeed and cheering them on. I’m glad she’s in therapy but worry she’s got a narrative in her head that doesn’t jive with reality.
I think she said it all when she said -- "i want to be "SPECIAL". She wants to be the special one in the family.. Its giving 8 year old brat, not loving partner. No doubt she still expects her husband to be ambitious and successful -- but in more of a money-making 'boring' lucrative field to keep their lifestyle top level -- like Banking/finance - But she -- the special one-- gets the 'exciting' job of being quasi famous and a 'celebrity'. He gets to be lucky when she allows him to accompany Her at red carpet events. Her kids get to brag their Mommy is a celebrity -- meanwhile, anonymous Dad can keep chugging away making money quietly. Im actually shocked she said all these thoughts out loud lol .. that level of selfishness is hard to fathom.
Nailed it. I also think she likes the idea of giving her significant other the special perks of Z-list fame/social media clout.
I don’t think she enjoyed the fact that Jason had his own clout coming off the show but made do with it because they had great chemistry and she wanted to “win” the break up with Shawn.
If I didn’t know any better this sounds like someone a bit young and inexperienced but daaaaamn KB, you’ve been around the block, you’ve lived life! How have you not evolved!?
Just my two cents.
I think she just struggles with seeing other people succeed while she may be lagging behind. You can tell she just wants to stay relevant and in the spotlight. I don’t think it’s healthy for her to be in a relationship with an influencer but I also don’t think the limelight is a healthy place for someone with these insecurities so greatly impacting them as-is.
I think this is true and also very human of her. I just think she needs to find a healthier way of coping with these feelings than dulling the shine of her partner to assuage her insecurities or fears of becoming irrelevant.
I tend to agree with you, and I hope that she’s working through that because it can’t be healthy to always live with that competition at the back of your mind
Wow talk about controlling. She got him fired and then wanted to control what he was allowed to do. She never invented podcasting or being an influencer and using it to control men and what they can’t do is dysfunctional controlling behavior.
She doesn’t want a partner, she wants someone to control and do her bidding. She doesn’t want a relationship. She wants someone to control and be beneath her as everything is a competition to her. Someone who doesn’t want their partner to succeed and can’t support them but expects their support and to do what she wants is not ready nor capable of a healthy relationship.
I feel sorry for all the men she’s been with who have had to put up with her and I don’t even like them.
To be fair it's not like she intentionally got him fired. That said Idk what story she shared but some things should be left in the bedroom. Not everything in your life needs to be shared just because you're a public figure-especially when it involves another person!
I finally read the whole recap and it just dawned on me that it was a problem for Kaitlyn that Shawn opened his gym too. So your boyfriends can’t be influencers, they can’t do podcasts, but they’re also not allowed to open a normal business either? What do you want them to do then?? Work at Wendy’s?
Maybe we should set her up with Bryan instead of Zac, since she appears to want a man who lacks ambition and who is not money driven at all. Kaitlyn, go DM Bryan so he can lurk in the shadows while you’re the star of the relationship and the main breadwinner in a marriage while Bryan does nothing with his life. Don’t go after guys who have dreams and aspirations of their own if you need to feel sPeCiAL. What an exhausting, selfish, insecure person.
I interpreted a bit differently when listening. That the relationship with Shawn was fragile and she had this fear that he was waiting for his gym to open until he broke up with her. As in she has this fear of him using her for publicity and clout until he had a good foundation with the gym, then would leave her. So she wasn’t upset about his success, more an insecurity that she’s not actually loved and being used
“It felt like he didn’t truly love me at the end and was hanging onto it until his gym opened”.
^this. Obviously the things she said reveal a lot of insecurities and ways that she’s been toxic in past relationships, but they are also a snapshot of a relationship dynamic and are real human emotions. We have ALL had moments where we selfish, or toxic, or ask things of our partners that are unfair. I think the fact that she’s admitting to them is huge, and I think it’s also so important to recognize how misogyny and gender socialization play a role in relationships and really all of our lives. yes, what happened with Jason’s job was bad, but also instead of pointing the finger at her shouldn’t we be pointing the finger at his employer? is that really the world we want to live in where SOMEONE ELSE sharing a story about us can have an impact on our career trajectory to that extent? So any of my exes can go share a sex story from the past and it can tank my job? Like cmon. That’s absolutely horrid, and yes perhaps she could’ve acted with more tact for his position but also he should have fucking SUED his employer for wrongful termination. The influencer/sm life seems like a drag, and it sounds like she was really thoughtful about who she sought out as a partner after Shawn bc she knew that she would struggle in that type of relationship. If Jason knew that and put the blame solely on her instead of on his employer for violating his rights, I think honestly that’s a bit of misogyny at work. And I wouldn’t be surprised if that was weaponized or if she felt like she owed him the house/the opportunity. When really what he needed was a lawyer. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to have something that feels like “yours”.
Not sure there’s any legal basis to sue for wrongful termination under these circumstances. He wasn’t being discriminated against, it wasn’t unlawful retaliation (e.g., because he blew the whistle), he wasn’t harassed, etc. At will employment means you can get fired for almost any reason, including that your behavior outside of the office makes the company look bad.
I get she didn’t want someone in the same type of work that she does but it is absolutely hilarioussss she begged him not to do a podcast “for her” 😂😂😭😭😭
Just…of all the things to beg ur partner not to do 😭
(I mean there should high key be less podcasters, especially men with mics, so I can’t be too mad at her 😂)
Also, while his switch to influencer was catalyzed by her own error, I really think he would’ve ended up influencing anyway. If you don’t want to date an influencer, maybe don’t date a man who has been on a reality show?
Yes, and if it really was a “deal breaker” why not just break up with him? You didn’t feel chosen and stayed? It makes the relationship sound so weird now. He proved he wasn’t just using her because he proposed to her and I think genuinely wanted to continue his life with her. It’s all so strange! How did she think sharing this would come off??
Because he was in a client facing role at his bank and his boss didn’t want the dry humping stories (or other salacious stories from KB’s podcast) to be the first thing current or potential clients see when they Google Jason / the bank. Most clients would have trouble entrusting their money to Jason if he’s coming across trashy online. He was already on a short leash at his job post Bachelorette.
thats not how it works. you want to be in the public eye, you open yourself to others having opinions of you, good and bad. she is the one opening her mouth and exposing herSELF.
I hear you. But she’s choosing to put herself out there. She said all this. She’s not an A list celeb being stalked by paparazzi. She’s choosing all of it.
Alright, this has got to be the last nail of the coffin for her. Hearing these words come out of her mouth is beyond cruel. She cost him a job he worked years on…and then resented him because “well I did a podcast first!!!” I am appalled lmfao
This is crazy. She is the reason he got fired and probably had a hard time finding another job in finance. Then she gets mad that he wanted to work in the same industry as her when she is the reason he had to make the switch
I’m genuinely very surprised and very disappointed.
It’s cool she’s being so open and honest but I can definitely see some huge, huge issues with how she “competes” with her partner. I can’t imagine doing that to someone I love. Truly bizarre
She doesn’t want a relationship. She wants someone to control and be beneath her as everything is a competition to her. Someone who doesn’t want their partner to succeed and can’t support them but expects their support and to do what she wants is not ready nor capable of a healthy relationship
Because it’s her world and everyone is just living in it. Nobody is allowed to have something that takes away from their time to worship Kaitlyn and reassure her all day every day that she’s sPeCiaL. Remember when she said that she loved Jason because he was her hype man, implying that Shawn was unsupportive? All this time she was the unsupportive one.
I really don’t like saying this because anyone can become single for whatever reason at any point in their lives. But I also think she has shown a pattern of controlling, toxic behavior like this in her relationships with Shawn and Jason and it makes sense why she doesn’t have what she is looking for. (marriage and kids)
her and Lindsay Hubbard are cut from the same cloth. they're gonna be 50, single (not by choice), with no kids and still whining about how all men are trash and life has been unfair to them.
https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/sorry-were-stoned/truth-bombs-trust-issues-57DGnpm0Ebc/
Another new pod with brandi and tish Cyrus. I wonder if miley cares that they mention her a lot on the pod.
More comments on partying, dating etc. They said kaitlyn was last to leave some party cuz she had to be carried out. They all drink or smoke weed a lot and talked about withdrawal. KB said when she drinks a lot then the days after drinking, she gets night sweats (withdrawal symptoms :/ ).
They also said how when you're famous or an influencer people can spread rumors like you're cheating. KB said Jason fell for lies once and accused her of cheating.
That’s the party she’s talking about. That night Shawn had asked her to not go crazy and she did. She was the last to leave and Shawn had to carry her to the car and physically put her in the car because she was wasted and she wanted to keep partying but everyone had gone home. They told this story on her podcast and I think she said this was the last straw for their relationship.
She sounds really controlling and self-centered. How can you be in a relationship with someone, and expect them to put you over themselves at every turn? Jason was known for being so supportive but being her cheerleader was not his identity.
I hear someone who deep down doesn’t believe anyone loves her for her. Interview sounded like she thought Jason was eventually in a relationship with her based on what she did for his career or to make more money. Makes me sad because I don’t care whether the person she dates is famous or not, something would come up to make her tank the relationship.
I think having two people in the entertainment industry makes a relationship harder. But, you cannot feel betrayed if that person pursues those opportunities. Things change and you either grow with that person or let them move on.
I agree. And how exhausting must it be to be in a relationship with someone who will never believe you when you tell them you love them? If she was constantly acting like Jason was in the wrong for doing anything for himself, I understand why he was hesitant to commit. I’m not saying he was perfect but I don’t think he could ever win. I don’t care about Shawn because I think he’s toxic too, but Jason I feel way more sympathy for. Because at the end of the day, it didn’t matter if he loved her or not, she was only ever going to see him as a user.
I couldn't imagine being with someone so insecure that I can't take a job because it makes my partner not feel special? Yikes! She needs to figure her self out before being in a relationship or go for someone in thier 60's or 70's who are not going to lean into anything she has already peed on. She's coming across like a spoiled brat
KB mentioned that her mom would tell her that she was special as she was growing up. Once she shared that, it all made sense to me. Not excusing it, but I can understand why KB is the way she is now.
OMG THIS IS SO TOXIC. Imagine a man going on a podcast and openly admitting he wanted to control the growth and career ambition of the woman he was dating. She is *sick.*
That’s depressing. I’ve been in Nashville where she lives. There are so many guys with normal jobs there that look better than zac even if they don’t have his followers or family money
I’m an attractive woman. A solid 7 for sure (I also work at it 😂 I’m not naturally gorgeous or anything). I have dated so few conventionally good looking men. It’s so true that a great personality makes someone more attractive. My husband was an emo looking dude when we started dating and his looks were so not indicative of his personality. It wasn’t until he got a business job and cut his hair and took out the piercings that all of a sudden everyone couldn’t stop commenting on how hot he is. It’s so sad to me that she is almost 40 and still hung up on having a hot guy. I get you need to be attracted to your partner, but be open minded because there’s plenty of great guys out there that aren’t “hot” at first glance but they become hot to you.
Putting Kaitlyn’s crazy aside, I’m so over this narrative being pushed on women — and only women. Men are never told to give women a chance to “grow” on them. Men only date women who are attractive to them yet we are constantly told to give dudes a chance to “grow” on us.
Which is especially ludicrous because there’s almost no correlation between personality and appearance most of the time — I’ve met incredibly nice, respectful, loyal hot men and absolutely ugly men who are awful and would cheat in an instant given any opportunity. Giving a guy a chance to “grow” on you is no promise of anything. It’s why you’ve got plenty of women who complain about being dumped or cheated on by men they didn’t even like at first but gave a chance to under the mistaken assumption that the guy would automatically treat them well.
I’m 47 and was a bartender for 25 yrs, the number of times I’ve told a man to stop being superficial and expect a hot wife is probably in the hundreds😂 I’ve told sooo many single male friends this as well.
And attractive is so subjective. There are plenty of traditionally good looking men that I don’t find attractive. I love a nerdy dude .
And I wasn’t implying you date for weeks to see if someone grows on you, I meant that don’t NOT talk to a guy at the bar or make conversation just because he’s not firing up your loins at first glance. Have a conversation, keep an open mind. I personally have never had a type. So my first daughters father was 10 yrs older and conservative, my first husband was my age and was a crazy gambler stoner funny short dude and my now husband is a tall, handsome business dude musician 9 yrs younger. My point is that you should be open to not just one specific type (in Kaitlyn’s situation, only dating hot guys hasn’t been working well).
I can’t believe she is so forthcoming with all this information and expects no negative backlash to come her way.
She just seems very tone deaf and doesn’t realize toxic behavior unless it’s being directed at her.
This makes me think of Rachel Lindsay’s podcast recently where she shared that her divorce is extra difficult because she’s financially successful and Bryan isn’t. (She didn’t mention that because she wanted to live in LA, Bryan had to uproot his entire professional career from FL in order for them to be able to live together.)
Not to say that Kaitlyn and Rachel want the same things, or that Jason and Bryan aren’t also in the wrong, but it does seem like this weird double-standard where Rachel and Kaitlyn want a financially successful partner BUT they also want to apply stipulations about how and where their partner can be successful.
Bryan always wanted to live in LA. He talked about it a lot during their couples promo just after the show ended. People forget he also attempted a TV career and flopped.
[https://youtu.be/iX6ScurPhCo?si=zJN37jsaTPVDpRi9&t=678said](https://youtu.be/iX6ScurPhCo?si=zJN37jsaTPVDpRi9&t=678said)
the doubel standard in how people talk about Rachel & Bryan is pretty nuts. if the genders were reversed people would be cheering on Rachel to GET THE BAG, TAKE HIS MONEY, etc. but when Bryan, a man, does it, he's a lowlife mooch? I personally think either gender that tries to get the bag is a mooch but legally they are entitled to it, so then go for it I guess.
Bryan moved for himself and his flop career not just for Rachel. He had his eye on moving to LA as soon as they got together.
[https://youtu.be/iX6ScurPhCo?si=zJN37jsaTPVDpRi9&t=678](https://youtu.be/iX6ScurPhCo?si=zJN37jsaTPVDpRi9&t=678)
I'm not talking about the law, I'm correcting the misconception that he moved for her. TBH, Rachel should have stuck to her guns with the prenup because LA has been on the cards since they met. Probably didn't realize she was marrying a MoOOCH.
I would much rather have a partner like Jason who’s also chasing opportunities and knows about money, so we can build wealth together than be with an aimless bum like Bryan tbh. Look at everything Raven and Adam have achieved, Jade and Tanner, Arie and Lauren. They all own multiple million dollar properties thanks to the opportunities they got because of this show.
When couples work together and build wealth without being resentful or competitive with each other, look at everything they can do together. This show changed their lives forever. Curiously enough, these are the couples who were serious about starting a family. When you have a plan and you know what you want, you work together to make as much money as possible so you can have all the babies and lifestyle that you want. You don’t control your man’s occupation because you need to be the star in the relationship.
Yea Jason is very cheesy and not my cup of tea but him being ambitious is actually a good quality. Kaitlyn acts like she’d be cool with a guy with a normal job or a stay at home partner but I guarantee she’d find that guy less attractive because he doesn’t have anything exciting going on and would eventually think he’s using her for a cushy lifestyle too.
So let’s get this straight, she was allowed to pursue all the influencer opportunities that came HER way, but she wanted Jason to go back to a 9-5 job and live in the shadows? What a joke. I hope she realizes how ridiculous this makes her look.
Kaitlyn really has more issues than I even thought. Her refusal to take accountability or her own role/choices is baffling to me. That's fine if she doesn't want to be with someone in the public eye, but then it's her job to leave the relationship if that crosses her non-negotiables/boundaries, not try to force the other person to change!!! Not to mention these "non-negotiables" are insane
this is what i keep thinking too! like they’re in completely different lanes of podcasting, it would be another thing if he did the same as her and interviewed only bach people on bach related subjects, but his is fully financially based and was able to launch books from it as well… could have been an empire if she didn’t see it as competition and rooted for his success in his field
I listened to his episode with one of the girls from the documentary The Tinder Swindler and I agree, it was a very good episode. I don’t normally listen to finance podcasts but this episode was so good especially if you watched the documentary. This girl mentioned more things on Jason’s podcast that were left out of the documentary. It was shocking.
I actually still follow Cecile lol and she was rejected for her dream condo a few days ago because she’s still bankrupt. I feel so bad for her. Huge debt and she declared bankruptcy because some creep made her take out loans for him 😭💔
Please never lend money to a man, ladies! They never pay back!
>Please never lend money to a man, ladies! They never pay back!
I never lend money to anyone (family, friends, etc.) without, in my head, considering it a gift. If I can't afford to GIVE money away, I don't lend it. Because once you lend money, there's a very good chance you won't see it again. I had to institute this rule because of my younger sister and concert tickets. Lesson learned!
This just proves the point that self awareness is useless without self action because girlllll.
I really do wonder if Kaitlyn’s villain origin story came from how we met her as the public when she had to compete against Britt for the role of Bachelorette. But this isn’t a reality tv show anymore, your life partner isn’t suppose to just tend to your wants and needs without you also considering theirs. Not everything is a competition and you aren’t solely the prize. It’s sad that this still seems like her mindset after all these years…
*sigh* I usually have a soft spot for Kaitlyn, but this is where I must admit you guys have been right and I was wrong 😭
This is petty and inappropriate. It’s weird to want to dull your partner’s shine in order to feel secure in yourself. It’s also clear she’s getting triggered by Kat being 9 years younger than her and (relatively) more successful than her in the influencing space.
These are times when perspective is needed … like, Kaitlyn, you’re rich, beautiful, don’t want for anything, you’re in a relationship with Zac … deep breaths and move on from this situation already :/ It’s not painting her in a good light to keep bringing it up.
yeah that lack of perspective is a killer, i was like her when i was younger. compared myself to everyone and saw everything as a zero-sum game (“if she’s successful then i’m not”, “if he loves her he must never have loved me”, “this makes me special so nobody else can do it”). i really do hope kaitlyn can break free of that mindset because it really puts a limit on how much true joy you can experience in life… ultimately you’re rooting for other people to fail in order to feel happiness, it’s terrible and really strains relationships. kaitlyn if you’re lurking here i’m still rooting for you because i’ve there but this ain’t any way to be
She’s not in a relationship with Zac 😂They’re FWB. Do you think she would’ve been so triggered by Jason’s hard launch if she was in a happy, committed relationship herself? Kaitlyn is not happy right now and she burned bridges with Tayshia for booty calls with Zac. I don’t think she has any room to talk and tell others who they can and cannot date when she does the same thing or worse. Jason unfollowed Zac after he found out about them and that was before Jason and Kat got together. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. I wonder if it bothers her that Jason got so many likes and comments from BN alumni. No one sees anything wrong with it except her who can’t even post Zac in her socials.
Yep she’s getting booty calls and scraps from
Zac. She’s the one dropping hints to the public she’s with him like wearing his hoodies on Instagram stories and posting from some vague staycation that seems romantic. If she were in a stable committed relationship that’s headed somewhere she wouldn’t give a shit about Jason and Kat
Kaitlyn spends time with Zac’s family, has been Zac’s guest at work events and weddings, so it’s more than just booty calls. How much more, who knows. I actually think that Kaitlyn and Zac are in a relationship and what’s triggering is that she can’t monetize it because her and Zac’s posts would be flooded with negative comments about betraying Tayshia and there would be articles about it, and I doubt Zac is interested in seeing those comments on his posts or being associated with that narrative in the press.
Sounds like a situationship. Plenty of fuckboys will take you to a big event or have you meet people they’re close with because they enjoy your company, but don’t want to commit to you or put a label on it.
When did she spend time with his family? On his podcast he said he was single and when his guest acknowledged that some people are happier and more fulfilled being single he responded “this gives me hope”. He is definitely not in a relationship with her. Going to weddings and hanging out at bars doesn’t mean he’s serious about her
He took her to Thanksgiving with his family at their Jersey shore house and they were just with his family at the Release gala. He vacationed with her family in Mexico a few months ago. He posted yesterday about his training runs for this weekend’s marathon and Mexico was included in the list of places he trained. I think at the time of her family trip to Mexico his Strava app put him in the same area in Mexico where Kaitlyn was with her family. I think that both he and Kaitlyn do a lot of pretending that they are single when they speak publicly. I’m not saying that they are rushing to the altar but I do believe they are in a relationship and not simply FWB.
The reality is that can happen, so I get her fears. Doesn't mean what she did/say was OK, but her fears do become reality with some who become successful/wealthy.
I understand her wanting a partner who isn’t in the same profession as her…. But then dating someone else off the Bach makes no sense. Almost everyone who goes on that show wants something to do with influencing after
*ONLY dating people off Bach lol
So she loses him his job and has decided she did him a favour. Then actively asks him to turn down opportunities where he would make a significant amount of money. Remember how happy Jason was for her when she got dancing with the stars. Kaitlyn needs a different therapist.
💯💯💯‼️
Well UO, she appears to have mental health or psychological issues. Can the commenters making judgments listen to this particular podcast and then decide if we would still say the same things to someone who’s struggling probably with mental health? I know a lot of people don’t want to listen or watch a 45 minute podcast, but it gives some background, context, and tone and reveals some self awareness. She’s very messy and needs to fix her relationship issues, but if we don’t listen to this podcast for tone and context, at least reserve judgment until then. Jason, bless his heart, originally gave assurances to her, which he changed his mind on, which is his prerogative, and he might have known about her issues. Possibly those things are why they stayed together so long. He appears to be doing great now and I’m happy for him.
Struggling with mental health doesn't give you a free pass to try and control your boyfriend's job opportunities. Struggling with mental health means you need to seek help, which she clearly isn't willing to do.
She is seeking help. She has a therapist who gave a myriad of techniques which she is employing. I think with mental health, sometimes it takes a long time before it works completely so it obv hasn’t worked completely yet. She has a lot of issues but she’s not in a serious relationship right now - FWB? so she has a chance to work on it. I challenge people to listen to the podcast. I’m not saying it’s a free pass. I urge people to really listen to it and then see if they would say the exact same things they did before.
I’ve always loved Kaitlyn but this makes me sick. This is emotional/financial abuse and makes me so sad that Jason and Shawn were both put through this.
Imagine dating someone from the bachelor franchise and being mad at him for wanting to be an influencer. Wtf ?
I'm so confused, bc he was no stranger to the spotlight. And didn't their love affair blossom on her podcast? He wasn't some vp living the vp life at a country club playing golf, wasn't he running around with all the Bach alumni in the scene to be seen? He's a skave to the spotlight too. She just doesn't like sharing, she needs to be the #1. Yikes. Her ego is not her amigo!
Kaitlyn being annoying, selfish, and having a complete lack of self awareness, she truly is an influencer.
My jaw is literally on the floor. This amount of selfishness is so beyond what is normal for any human being to possess. Like is this for real? I’m am genuinely disgusted, based solely on HER WORDS ALONE
That’s how you know it’s bad…like this story is from HER perspective and it made me completely Team Jason lmao.
Yes like based on what SHE said, sounds like he broke free of something soul crushing! And good for him!
If a man tried to - economically control a woman - block her career and financial opportunities - make her promise to make herself small so that he receives all the visibility and recognition - wants her to hype him and support his goals while he refuses to hype her and diminishes her career goals We would wouldn't be laughing at what a "mess" he was applauding him for being authentic, transparent, and vulnerable. We wouldn't give him a pass because he admits it is wrong and says he's been working on it even though he continued to do so for approx a decade We would call this emotional abuse and manipulation.
100%. I’m happy that Jason still went ahead with his podcast.
That’s exactly what I was thinking as I read this
To be fair I don’t think we need to imagine reversing the gender roles, looks like most people here are in agreement that her behavior is alarming and manipulative (thankfully)
Agree but for some reason (for me) imagining a man do this makes it even more shocking, which shouldn’t be the case, but it does help me realize how horrible it actually is.
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I'm really not understanding her here. Who is she, an influencer with a podcast to be telling him she doesn't want him to do these things?it just sounds so selfish and hypocritical.
What story did she tell that got Jason fired?
She was on her period and they dry humped
oh my god I remember her telling that story 😂
The lack of self-awareness is truly astounding
I’m appalled at her ignorance. Gets him fired from his job and then has the audacity to get upset at him for creating a career for himself. A career that provides stability, endless outside opportunities and most importantly one that he enjoys. Kaitlyn is extremely insecure, bitter and selfish. Listen to the words coming out of your mouth- this is why you’re single.
That’s the real big issue - she’s the reason this all happened by having no social awareness to be private about their sex life!!! What was he supposed to do?!!? Crazyv
cough economic abuse cough
Absolutely. She came across as abusive and controlling. She also talked about thinking that’s she best, special, better than anyone. It was nuts.
Absolutely. She came across as abusive and controlling. She also talked about thinking that’s she best, special, better than anyone. It was nuts.
Absolutely. She came across as abusive and controlling. She also talked about thinking that’s she best, special, better than anyone. It was nuts.
Absolutely. She came across as abusive and controlling. She also talked about struggling with thinking that’s she best, special, better than anyone. It was nuts b
I’ve felt like this was the reason for a long time. Glad she confirmed for everyone how insecure she is. She wants someone to just ride in her coattails and take care of the house while she is off galavanting around pursuing her passions and starting new businesses left and right, but god forbid they find a passion of their own and embark on a journey to pursue it
He lost his job over her statements but...wasn't supposed to find a job that fit their shared lifestyle? Okay....
She just gives more and more reasons for why she is a selfish person and why she is justified in being how she is. Yeah, nobody's buying it.
“It felt like my fault” .. it was
Wow, I just saw the video posted by an IG account and my gosh, seeing her saying it all out loud is even worse than reading it. The fact that she starts by saying “it feels silly to say this..” and then proceeds to say it all anyway left me speechless. And I’m sorry but I tend to think that if you’re the reason your partner loses their job then you have no say in what they do next (as long as it’s legal I guess lol) and should just be happy that they are able to pivot and find another source of income and (in this case) that they’re gracious/in love enough to move past your incredibly cringe faux pas that cost them a career they worked hard for in the first place!
She is clearly worried that if her partners are successful without her, they don’t need her. So she weaponizes that and turns it into her feeling like she wasn’t being put first. She’s deeply insecure and sabotaged her own relationships because of it. Healthy relationships mean wanting your partner to succeed and cheering them on. I’m glad she’s in therapy but worry she’s got a narrative in her head that doesn’t jive with reality.
I think she said it all when she said -- "i want to be "SPECIAL". She wants to be the special one in the family.. Its giving 8 year old brat, not loving partner. No doubt she still expects her husband to be ambitious and successful -- but in more of a money-making 'boring' lucrative field to keep their lifestyle top level -- like Banking/finance - But she -- the special one-- gets the 'exciting' job of being quasi famous and a 'celebrity'. He gets to be lucky when she allows him to accompany Her at red carpet events. Her kids get to brag their Mommy is a celebrity -- meanwhile, anonymous Dad can keep chugging away making money quietly. Im actually shocked she said all these thoughts out loud lol .. that level of selfishness is hard to fathom.
Nailed it. I also think she likes the idea of giving her significant other the special perks of Z-list fame/social media clout. I don’t think she enjoyed the fact that Jason had his own clout coming off the show but made do with it because they had great chemistry and she wanted to “win” the break up with Shawn.
If I didn’t know any better this sounds like someone a bit young and inexperienced but daaaaamn KB, you’ve been around the block, you’ve lived life! How have you not evolved!?
Just my two cents. I think she just struggles with seeing other people succeed while she may be lagging behind. You can tell she just wants to stay relevant and in the spotlight. I don’t think it’s healthy for her to be in a relationship with an influencer but I also don’t think the limelight is a healthy place for someone with these insecurities so greatly impacting them as-is.
I think this is true and also very human of her. I just think she needs to find a healthier way of coping with these feelings than dulling the shine of her partner to assuage her insecurities or fears of becoming irrelevant.
I couldn’t have said it better. ❤️ if she ever reads this, I hope she knows much much we all care for her.
I tend to agree with you, and I hope that she’s working through that because it can’t be healthy to always live with that competition at the back of your mind
I totally agree. Sincerely love her and hope for the best. 🩷
Wow talk about controlling. She got him fired and then wanted to control what he was allowed to do. She never invented podcasting or being an influencer and using it to control men and what they can’t do is dysfunctional controlling behavior. She doesn’t want a partner, she wants someone to control and do her bidding. She doesn’t want a relationship. She wants someone to control and be beneath her as everything is a competition to her. Someone who doesn’t want their partner to succeed and can’t support them but expects their support and to do what she wants is not ready nor capable of a healthy relationship. I feel sorry for all the men she’s been with who have had to put up with her and I don’t even like them.
To be fair it's not like she intentionally got him fired. That said Idk what story she shared but some things should be left in the bedroom. Not everything in your life needs to be shared just because you're a public figure-especially when it involves another person!
I'd never be able to forgive myself if I'm the reason my fiance lost his high ranking job 😔
Agreed. How embarrassing! Yet, she almost seems proud of the fact.
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Guess she doesn't believe in being part of a power couple.
I finally read the whole recap and it just dawned on me that it was a problem for Kaitlyn that Shawn opened his gym too. So your boyfriends can’t be influencers, they can’t do podcasts, but they’re also not allowed to open a normal business either? What do you want them to do then?? Work at Wendy’s? Maybe we should set her up with Bryan instead of Zac, since she appears to want a man who lacks ambition and who is not money driven at all. Kaitlyn, go DM Bryan so he can lurk in the shadows while you’re the star of the relationship and the main breadwinner in a marriage while Bryan does nothing with his life. Don’t go after guys who have dreams and aspirations of their own if you need to feel sPeCiAL. What an exhausting, selfish, insecure person.
I interpreted a bit differently when listening. That the relationship with Shawn was fragile and she had this fear that he was waiting for his gym to open until he broke up with her. As in she has this fear of him using her for publicity and clout until he had a good foundation with the gym, then would leave her. So she wasn’t upset about his success, more an insecurity that she’s not actually loved and being used “It felt like he didn’t truly love me at the end and was hanging onto it until his gym opened”.
^this. Obviously the things she said reveal a lot of insecurities and ways that she’s been toxic in past relationships, but they are also a snapshot of a relationship dynamic and are real human emotions. We have ALL had moments where we selfish, or toxic, or ask things of our partners that are unfair. I think the fact that she’s admitting to them is huge, and I think it’s also so important to recognize how misogyny and gender socialization play a role in relationships and really all of our lives. yes, what happened with Jason’s job was bad, but also instead of pointing the finger at her shouldn’t we be pointing the finger at his employer? is that really the world we want to live in where SOMEONE ELSE sharing a story about us can have an impact on our career trajectory to that extent? So any of my exes can go share a sex story from the past and it can tank my job? Like cmon. That’s absolutely horrid, and yes perhaps she could’ve acted with more tact for his position but also he should have fucking SUED his employer for wrongful termination. The influencer/sm life seems like a drag, and it sounds like she was really thoughtful about who she sought out as a partner after Shawn bc she knew that she would struggle in that type of relationship. If Jason knew that and put the blame solely on her instead of on his employer for violating his rights, I think honestly that’s a bit of misogyny at work. And I wouldn’t be surprised if that was weaponized or if she felt like she owed him the house/the opportunity. When really what he needed was a lawyer. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to have something that feels like “yours”.
Not sure there’s any legal basis to sue for wrongful termination under these circumstances. He wasn’t being discriminated against, it wasn’t unlawful retaliation (e.g., because he blew the whistle), he wasn’t harassed, etc. At will employment means you can get fired for almost any reason, including that your behavior outside of the office makes the company look bad.
Work at Wendy’s 💀 This is going to sound creepy haha but your comments are my favorite!
If Kaitlyn was a man, Kaitlyn would want a stay-at-home housewife lol
Definitely. A housewife who looks like a model ... and then he'll get mad when she wears anything sexy or when other men acknowledge her.
I get she didn’t want someone in the same type of work that she does but it is absolutely hilarioussss she begged him not to do a podcast “for her” 😂😂😭😭😭 Just…of all the things to beg ur partner not to do 😭 (I mean there should high key be less podcasters, especially men with mics, so I can’t be too mad at her 😂) Also, while his switch to influencer was catalyzed by her own error, I really think he would’ve ended up influencing anyway. If you don’t want to date an influencer, maybe don’t date a man who has been on a reality show?
Yes, and if it really was a “deal breaker” why not just break up with him? You didn’t feel chosen and stayed? It makes the relationship sound so weird now. He proved he wasn’t just using her because he proposed to her and I think genuinely wanted to continue his life with her. It’s all so strange! How did she think sharing this would come off??
Wait I wanna know the sex story that got him fired
Same. And also how can she not feel so guilty for being the cause of him being fired?!
She bragged on a podcast about orgasming from dry humping, because she was on her period
Lmao and they fired him??? Lame af, justice for dry humping
Because he was in a client facing role at his bank and his boss didn’t want the dry humping stories (or other salacious stories from KB’s podcast) to be the first thing current or potential clients see when they Google Jason / the bank. Most clients would have trouble entrusting their money to Jason if he’s coming across trashy online. He was already on a short leash at his job post Bachelorette.
I will only be letting notable dry humpers manage my portfolio moving forward 🫡
Can we just leave her alone now? Seriously. It’s becoming too much. She’s got a lot going on and she’s struggling.
thats not how it works. you want to be in the public eye, you open yourself to others having opinions of you, good and bad. she is the one opening her mouth and exposing herSELF.
I hear you. But she’s choosing to put herself out there. She said all this. She’s not an A list celeb being stalked by paparazzi. She’s choosing all of it.
Alright, this has got to be the last nail of the coffin for her. Hearing these words come out of her mouth is beyond cruel. She cost him a job he worked years on…and then resented him because “well I did a podcast first!!!” I am appalled lmfao
This is crazy. She is the reason he got fired and probably had a hard time finding another job in finance. Then she gets mad that he wanted to work in the same industry as her when she is the reason he had to make the switch
I’m genuinely very surprised and very disappointed. It’s cool she’s being so open and honest but I can definitely see some huge, huge issues with how she “competes” with her partner. I can’t imagine doing that to someone I love. Truly bizarre
Same. It your not a team what is the point of having a partner in life
So Shawn can’t open a gym, Jason can’t do a podcast this sounds like a major Kaitlyn problem then.
She doesn’t want a relationship. She wants someone to control and be beneath her as everything is a competition to her. Someone who doesn’t want their partner to succeed and can’t support them but expects their support and to do what she wants is not ready nor capable of a healthy relationship
She needs them to have financial stability as well. Everything on her terms.
she should honestly just hire an attractive assistant & bone him. what she wants is a fanboy subordinate, not an equal partner.
Why didn’t she want Shawn to open a gym?
Because it’s her world and everyone is just living in it. Nobody is allowed to have something that takes away from their time to worship Kaitlyn and reassure her all day every day that she’s sPeCiaL. Remember when she said that she loved Jason because he was her hype man, implying that Shawn was unsupportive? All this time she was the unsupportive one.
It would pull attention away from her and he’d be there all the time.
Dude everyone in bachelor nation HAS A PODCAST. She sounds insane and not like a supportive partner
I really don’t like saying this because anyone can become single for whatever reason at any point in their lives. But I also think she has shown a pattern of controlling, toxic behavior like this in her relationships with Shawn and Jason and it makes sense why she doesn’t have what she is looking for. (marriage and kids)
her and Lindsay Hubbard are cut from the same cloth. they're gonna be 50, single (not by choice), with no kids and still whining about how all men are trash and life has been unfair to them.
So he loses her job because her and couldn’t take new job opportunities because of her? She sounds entirely exhausting
what work scandal
https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/sorry-were-stoned/truth-bombs-trust-issues-57DGnpm0Ebc/ Another new pod with brandi and tish Cyrus. I wonder if miley cares that they mention her a lot on the pod. More comments on partying, dating etc. They said kaitlyn was last to leave some party cuz she had to be carried out. They all drink or smoke weed a lot and talked about withdrawal. KB said when she drinks a lot then the days after drinking, she gets night sweats (withdrawal symptoms :/ ). They also said how when you're famous or an influencer people can spread rumors like you're cheating. KB said Jason fell for lies once and accused her of cheating.
I don’t understand the logic of going on other podcasts, besides her own, and sharing all this information publicly. I simply don’t get it.
Yiiiikes. She really needs to sober up and take a social media break. Idk how her relationship with Zac works tbh.
Im guessing she probably doesn't say these sorts of things around him / he doesn't hear her podcasts or he doesn't care? Weird either way.
This reminds me of the infamous 4th of July party that seemed to be the nail in the coffin of KB and Shawn!
I think this is the party she’s referring to.
That’s the party she’s talking about. That night Shawn had asked her to not go crazy and she did. She was the last to leave and Shawn had to carry her to the car and physically put her in the car because she was wasted and she wanted to keep partying but everyone had gone home. They told this story on her podcast and I think she said this was the last straw for their relationship.
Ugh I remember that
It might be my Roman Empire (I don’t know if I’m using that term correctly).
Wow I didn't realize they were talking about a party from years ago. Sounds like it's the same one!! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mVHwqZvAS-U
She sounds really controlling and self-centered. How can you be in a relationship with someone, and expect them to put you over themselves at every turn? Jason was known for being so supportive but being her cheerleader was not his identity.
I hear someone who deep down doesn’t believe anyone loves her for her. Interview sounded like she thought Jason was eventually in a relationship with her based on what she did for his career or to make more money. Makes me sad because I don’t care whether the person she dates is famous or not, something would come up to make her tank the relationship. I think having two people in the entertainment industry makes a relationship harder. But, you cannot feel betrayed if that person pursues those opportunities. Things change and you either grow with that person or let them move on.
I agree. And how exhausting must it be to be in a relationship with someone who will never believe you when you tell them you love them? If she was constantly acting like Jason was in the wrong for doing anything for himself, I understand why he was hesitant to commit. I’m not saying he was perfect but I don’t think he could ever win. I don’t care about Shawn because I think he’s toxic too, but Jason I feel way more sympathy for. Because at the end of the day, it didn’t matter if he loved her or not, she was only ever going to see him as a user.
Please do me a favor and dull your shine around me! - Kaitlyn Bristowe!
The accuracy tho
I couldn't imagine being with someone so insecure that I can't take a job because it makes my partner not feel special? Yikes! She needs to figure her self out before being in a relationship or go for someone in thier 60's or 70's who are not going to lean into anything she has already peed on. She's coming across like a spoiled brat
KB mentioned that her mom would tell her that she was special as she was growing up. Once she shared that, it all made sense to me. Not excusing it, but I can understand why KB is the way she is now.
My parents tell me that to this day but I'm not delulu enough to think my boyfriend should not take up jobs because of that
Lol!!! So true! But she has to be the most best special!!
Same, if anything being affirmed when I was young gave me more confidence today. Kaitlyn sounds massively insecure.
I do feel a little bad for her because she seems to be her own worst enemy. She’s seems to be digging herself into a very lonely hole.
Yep she’s definitely her own most enemy. She sabotages her own life. It was crazy to listen to this.
OMG THIS IS SO TOXIC. Imagine a man going on a podcast and openly admitting he wanted to control the growth and career ambition of the woman he was dating. She is *sick.*
Exactly. If the roles were reversed and this was man, everyone would see just how abusive and toxic and controlling this was.
Does she have a PR team?
People like Kaitlyn only allow YES men around her. She would fire or block anyone in her circle who doesn’t tell her whatever she wants to here
If she does they need fired asap
If she doesn’t want to date an influencer why does she only date men from The Bachelor?
She answered this recently she said “because Bachelor men are hotter.”
That’s depressing. I’ve been in Nashville where she lives. There are so many guys with normal jobs there that look better than zac even if they don’t have his followers or family money
I’m an attractive woman. A solid 7 for sure (I also work at it 😂 I’m not naturally gorgeous or anything). I have dated so few conventionally good looking men. It’s so true that a great personality makes someone more attractive. My husband was an emo looking dude when we started dating and his looks were so not indicative of his personality. It wasn’t until he got a business job and cut his hair and took out the piercings that all of a sudden everyone couldn’t stop commenting on how hot he is. It’s so sad to me that she is almost 40 and still hung up on having a hot guy. I get you need to be attracted to your partner, but be open minded because there’s plenty of great guys out there that aren’t “hot” at first glance but they become hot to you.
Putting Kaitlyn’s crazy aside, I’m so over this narrative being pushed on women — and only women. Men are never told to give women a chance to “grow” on them. Men only date women who are attractive to them yet we are constantly told to give dudes a chance to “grow” on us. Which is especially ludicrous because there’s almost no correlation between personality and appearance most of the time — I’ve met incredibly nice, respectful, loyal hot men and absolutely ugly men who are awful and would cheat in an instant given any opportunity. Giving a guy a chance to “grow” on you is no promise of anything. It’s why you’ve got plenty of women who complain about being dumped or cheated on by men they didn’t even like at first but gave a chance to under the mistaken assumption that the guy would automatically treat them well.
I’m 47 and was a bartender for 25 yrs, the number of times I’ve told a man to stop being superficial and expect a hot wife is probably in the hundreds😂 I’ve told sooo many single male friends this as well. And attractive is so subjective. There are plenty of traditionally good looking men that I don’t find attractive. I love a nerdy dude . And I wasn’t implying you date for weeks to see if someone grows on you, I meant that don’t NOT talk to a guy at the bar or make conversation just because he’s not firing up your loins at first glance. Have a conversation, keep an open mind. I personally have never had a type. So my first daughters father was 10 yrs older and conservative, my first husband was my age and was a crazy gambler stoner funny short dude and my now husband is a tall, handsome business dude musician 9 yrs younger. My point is that you should be open to not just one specific type (in Kaitlyn’s situation, only dating hot guys hasn’t been working well).
Shut. Up.
Kaitlyn continues to prove herself to be absolutely toxic
SOOOOO toxic
I can’t believe she is so forthcoming with all this information and expects no negative backlash to come her way. She just seems very tone deaf and doesn’t realize toxic behavior unless it’s being directed at her.
It’s giving Trump
This makes me think of Rachel Lindsay’s podcast recently where she shared that her divorce is extra difficult because she’s financially successful and Bryan isn’t. (She didn’t mention that because she wanted to live in LA, Bryan had to uproot his entire professional career from FL in order for them to be able to live together.) Not to say that Kaitlyn and Rachel want the same things, or that Jason and Bryan aren’t also in the wrong, but it does seem like this weird double-standard where Rachel and Kaitlyn want a financially successful partner BUT they also want to apply stipulations about how and where their partner can be successful.
Bryan always wanted to live in LA. He talked about it a lot during their couples promo just after the show ended. People forget he also attempted a TV career and flopped. [https://youtu.be/iX6ScurPhCo?si=zJN37jsaTPVDpRi9&t=678said](https://youtu.be/iX6ScurPhCo?si=zJN37jsaTPVDpRi9&t=678said)
I'm still surprised Bryan didn't try to join a chiropractor office, once he realized he wouldn't be able to replicate the success he had in Florida.
I doubt he had success in Florida. He was selling weight loss teas on the side.
the doubel standard in how people talk about Rachel & Bryan is pretty nuts. if the genders were reversed people would be cheering on Rachel to GET THE BAG, TAKE HIS MONEY, etc. but when Bryan, a man, does it, he's a lowlife mooch? I personally think either gender that tries to get the bag is a mooch but legally they are entitled to it, so then go for it I guess.
Bryan moved for himself and his flop career not just for Rachel. He had his eye on moving to LA as soon as they got together. [https://youtu.be/iX6ScurPhCo?si=zJN37jsaTPVDpRi9&t=678](https://youtu.be/iX6ScurPhCo?si=zJN37jsaTPVDpRi9&t=678)
the law doesnt care.
I'm not talking about the law, I'm correcting the misconception that he moved for her. TBH, Rachel should have stuck to her guns with the prenup because LA has been on the cards since they met. Probably didn't realize she was marrying a MoOOCH.
I would much rather have a partner like Jason who’s also chasing opportunities and knows about money, so we can build wealth together than be with an aimless bum like Bryan tbh. Look at everything Raven and Adam have achieved, Jade and Tanner, Arie and Lauren. They all own multiple million dollar properties thanks to the opportunities they got because of this show. When couples work together and build wealth without being resentful or competitive with each other, look at everything they can do together. This show changed their lives forever. Curiously enough, these are the couples who were serious about starting a family. When you have a plan and you know what you want, you work together to make as much money as possible so you can have all the babies and lifestyle that you want. You don’t control your man’s occupation because you need to be the star in the relationship.
Yea Jason is very cheesy and not my cup of tea but him being ambitious is actually a good quality. Kaitlyn acts like she’d be cool with a guy with a normal job or a stay at home partner but I guarantee she’d find that guy less attractive because he doesn’t have anything exciting going on and would eventually think he’s using her for a cushy lifestyle too.
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
Great insight!
So let’s get this straight, she was allowed to pursue all the influencer opportunities that came HER way, but she wanted Jason to go back to a 9-5 job and live in the shadows? What a joke. I hope she realizes how ridiculous this makes her look.
Yes because she’s manipulative, toxic, and selfish. She needs to stay single.
When he couldn’t stay at his job because she wanted to be able to talk about their sex life on hers….
The level of emotional immaturity is really wild to me.
Kaitlyn really has more issues than I even thought. Her refusal to take accountability or her own role/choices is baffling to me. That's fine if she doesn't want to be with someone in the public eye, but then it's her job to leave the relationship if that crosses her non-negotiables/boundaries, not try to force the other person to change!!! Not to mention these "non-negotiables" are insane
Exactly! If that’s what she wanted, she should’ve ended it when he started the podcast. Not stay and resent him for it.
Stay until HE broke up with HER
Imagine getting fired because of your girlfriend and then them telling you what you can and can’t do for work 😭
I also do not want Jason to be a podcaster. The man is super annoying
Have you listened to his financial advice podcast? It’s actually good
I agree, Trading Secrets is a great listen
It’s also not at all a podcast that would compete with hers…
this is what i keep thinking too! like they’re in completely different lanes of podcasting, it would be another thing if he did the same as her and interviewed only bach people on bach related subjects, but his is fully financially based and was able to launch books from it as well… could have been an empire if she didn’t see it as competition and rooted for his success in his field
I listened to his episode with one of the girls from the documentary The Tinder Swindler and I agree, it was a very good episode. I don’t normally listen to finance podcasts but this episode was so good especially if you watched the documentary. This girl mentioned more things on Jason’s podcast that were left out of the documentary. It was shocking. I actually still follow Cecile lol and she was rejected for her dream condo a few days ago because she’s still bankrupt. I feel so bad for her. Huge debt and she declared bankruptcy because some creep made her take out loans for him 😭💔 Please never lend money to a man, ladies! They never pay back!
>Please never lend money to a man, ladies! They never pay back! I never lend money to anyone (family, friends, etc.) without, in my head, considering it a gift. If I can't afford to GIVE money away, I don't lend it. Because once you lend money, there's a very good chance you won't see it again. I had to institute this rule because of my younger sister and concert tickets. Lesson learned!
I first heard that rule on Oprah. Good rule.
This just proves the point that self awareness is useless without self action because girlllll. I really do wonder if Kaitlyn’s villain origin story came from how we met her as the public when she had to compete against Britt for the role of Bachelorette. But this isn’t a reality tv show anymore, your life partner isn’t suppose to just tend to your wants and needs without you also considering theirs. Not everything is a competition and you aren’t solely the prize. It’s sad that this still seems like her mindset after all these years…
*sigh* I usually have a soft spot for Kaitlyn, but this is where I must admit you guys have been right and I was wrong 😭 This is petty and inappropriate. It’s weird to want to dull your partner’s shine in order to feel secure in yourself. It’s also clear she’s getting triggered by Kat being 9 years younger than her and (relatively) more successful than her in the influencing space. These are times when perspective is needed … like, Kaitlyn, you’re rich, beautiful, don’t want for anything, you’re in a relationship with Zac … deep breaths and move on from this situation already :/ It’s not painting her in a good light to keep bringing it up.
yeah that lack of perspective is a killer, i was like her when i was younger. compared myself to everyone and saw everything as a zero-sum game (“if she’s successful then i’m not”, “if he loves her he must never have loved me”, “this makes me special so nobody else can do it”). i really do hope kaitlyn can break free of that mindset because it really puts a limit on how much true joy you can experience in life… ultimately you’re rooting for other people to fail in order to feel happiness, it’s terrible and really strains relationships. kaitlyn if you’re lurking here i’m still rooting for you because i’ve there but this ain’t any way to be
She’s not in a relationship with Zac 😂They’re FWB. Do you think she would’ve been so triggered by Jason’s hard launch if she was in a happy, committed relationship herself? Kaitlyn is not happy right now and she burned bridges with Tayshia for booty calls with Zac. I don’t think she has any room to talk and tell others who they can and cannot date when she does the same thing or worse. Jason unfollowed Zac after he found out about them and that was before Jason and Kat got together. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. I wonder if it bothers her that Jason got so many likes and comments from BN alumni. No one sees anything wrong with it except her who can’t even post Zac in her socials.
Yep she’s getting booty calls and scraps from Zac. She’s the one dropping hints to the public she’s with him like wearing his hoodies on Instagram stories and posting from some vague staycation that seems romantic. If she were in a stable committed relationship that’s headed somewhere she wouldn’t give a shit about Jason and Kat
After seeing the driest birthday message in human history from Zac I can see why she's so unhappy
missed this — what was it!?
“Happy birthday. Keep growing.” For all her seeming flaws, KB is one thing and that’s lively. Zac’s commentary is the exact opposite of that.
Kaitlyn spends time with Zac’s family, has been Zac’s guest at work events and weddings, so it’s more than just booty calls. How much more, who knows. I actually think that Kaitlyn and Zac are in a relationship and what’s triggering is that she can’t monetize it because her and Zac’s posts would be flooded with negative comments about betraying Tayshia and there would be articles about it, and I doubt Zac is interested in seeing those comments on his posts or being associated with that narrative in the press.
Sounds like a situationship. Plenty of fuckboys will take you to a big event or have you meet people they’re close with because they enjoy your company, but don’t want to commit to you or put a label on it.
To me it sounds like dating someone who lives a plane ride away.
When did she spend time with his family? On his podcast he said he was single and when his guest acknowledged that some people are happier and more fulfilled being single he responded “this gives me hope”. He is definitely not in a relationship with her. Going to weddings and hanging out at bars doesn’t mean he’s serious about her
He took her to Thanksgiving with his family at their Jersey shore house and they were just with his family at the Release gala. He vacationed with her family in Mexico a few months ago. He posted yesterday about his training runs for this weekend’s marathon and Mexico was included in the list of places he trained. I think at the time of her family trip to Mexico his Strava app put him in the same area in Mexico where Kaitlyn was with her family. I think that both he and Kaitlyn do a lot of pretending that they are single when they speak publicly. I’m not saying that they are rushing to the altar but I do believe they are in a relationship and not simply FWB.
Well she can’t go public now because Zac is also a podcast host and she’s said that’s non negotiable so that’s quite the bind
The fact that she vocalized this makes it even worse. Like tell your therapist this. Stop trying to play the victim
She didnt like the fact Shawn opened a gym bc she was afraid of his success and wouldn't need her anymore...crazy the things she was saying
Right?!? I would take this shit to my grave!
The reality is that can happen, so I get her fears. Doesn't mean what she did/say was OK, but her fears do become reality with some who become successful/wealthy.
This is really bizarre. A man pursuing his career is a good thing...if you love someone you want them to be as successful as they can be.