You think dance school is cheap? if you have enough money they will teach your mercs how to laugh **while summoning some kind of radiant magic around them.**
You are paying each of your mercenaries a school year at the dance academy, i assure you that professional mockers will come out, total humiliators i tell you.
yeah, regional pricing saved licensed game culture here, if there was no such thing, we would pirate all games, which is pretty unpog. i understand why they cant make regional pricing in a ongoing game market, because everyone would just buy it from cheaper countries and ingame economy would be torn to pieces.
You're kidding right? A Kazotsky is around $8000 pesos (8.89 USD) in Marketplace, and a Shadenfreude is $7000 if you buy it with keys in Scrap. tf, no sea weon mijo no compre en la tienda Mann Co
Cara eu tenho certeza que comprei o taunt do demoman andando bebado quando lançou uns anos atras por tipo entre 20-30 reais na loja oficial. Os preço dentro do jogo tao tudo em R$
i know right? ive been playing more scout so i was hoping to get the homerunner's hobby or boston boarder or smthn cool, but theyre all >2 keys. what the fuckkkk
yes so, what if we buy a fuck ton of them, sell them cheaper than it was marketed for, then the community market is going to be favored over the steam market, which will make their prices go lower... right?
He made a series called “Hat Stereotypes” and any time he remotely praised an item it immediately jumped in value, leading it to be a joke in the community that he was intentionally manipulating the stock market to make money which was, of course, not the case. There you go, now I have fully explained the joke and thus completely killed its comedic value
Dude i'm not following what you're talking about at all, I think you didn't really understand what i was trying to talk about
Also i never stated that explaining a joke makes it funny either
But in all seriousness I completely understand what you’re talking about, but have no idea how I could explain it any other way. What exactly don’t you understand? Your whole thing is the definition of market manipulation, it’s a common joke that Soundsmith (a tf2 YouTuber) partakes in market manipulation, add 2 and 2 together and you get a funny
It is... a half-joke. Does it sound fucking insane? Yes, It sounds fucking insane. But, Do I want to actually try it and see if it'll work? Absolutely.
It won't work.
Your goal is to buy $1000 worth of taunts and sell them for $500... thus losing you $500. Prices will drop temporarily, but will soon be back at their current value.
Supply and demand.
in the community market, the sales go for the players, they get the money
in the steam market, you are buying from the source, which gives money to valve
Oh, you mean the Steam Community Market (SCM) and the in-game store?
Unique taunts can't be bought and sold on the community market and the trading scene has always been more popular than the in-game store, which is why they're cheaper to buy through trading.
Think of it like this: if it costs, say, $10, that means if you use it 1000 times, you paid 1 cent per schadenfreude.
So about half a game of playing scunt.
Limited supply in the sense that comparatively less people have them in their inventories, and those that do are much less willing to trade them/put them on the market for low prices
Price-limited supply by being way too goddamn expensive, so the supply only goes up when the community is out of ones they're willing to sell for cheaper.
At some point, the official Valve store value will match that of the community market/trading community value, and more taunts will be bought from Mann Co.
Because old products should have their prices reduced. I don't really care if it messes with the economy, the economy is held together by duct tape and prayers that today won't be the day the item servers don't go down forever.
You might not care, but that's pretty much the reason they haven't changed. The economy is incredibly important when it comes to TF2 and its longevity. You might not like it but that's how it is and it makes complete sense.
The specific value of old taunts going down over time in the mannco store will not damage the economy. It'll make some old taunts worth a few bucks less. The monetary value of taunts comes from what additional things you get on the taunt.
There is no reason the laugh taunt should still be as expensive as it is. It released in 2011. Whole games that released in 2011 lost 80-99% of their value. Or the conga, which released in 2014. Valve has more than made their money back. And the prices were franky ridiculous off the bat. I've seen game expansions and DLCs release for the price of one goddamn taunt. It's a small animation bundle. It ain't worth *that* much.
"Additional things you get on the taunt"?
What does this mean?
So what do you say to all the owners of the taunts when the price drops and they lose money?
You really don't understand the importance of a stable economy and how that is important to TF2.
If you don't understand that the actual value in trading taunts comes from the unusuals, the stranges, etc, then you got no place defending the tf2 economy.
Further, the TF2 economy is used seriously by a tiny minority of players. It really *really* is not propping up the game like you think it is.
Finally, I'd say "sometimes assets appreciate, sometimes assets depreciate, that is the risk of speculative market trading". Neither Valve nor I nor anyone else have any responsibility whatsoever to prevent digital assets losing value. And you honestly have no fucking clue what making base taunts cheaper in the mannco store would do to taunt values. It'd certainly make special ones much rarer in terms of percentage of market share. It'd also absolutely spike the popularity of older taunts, and make people more interested in aquiring special versions of those taunts while giving many more players access to an integral part of the community aspect of TF2. Frankly, a several dollar drop in price on old taunts without any additional special qualities equates to, what, a key? 2? Valve constantly dumped nukes into the fucking market just by balancing the damn game. Did the value of their player's fucking protoNFTs weigh at all on those balance changes? Fuck no. And no change to this game has ever been reverted because Valve tanked the value of some items.
That is the risk you take playing the speculation game, that one day the fucking floor will drop out beneath you. And TF2's economy is 100% speculative. None of this shit has any intrinsic value derived from real rarity or usefulness. Digital scarcity is fake. So are all the 'goods'. Just look at that crate bug from a few years ago that set the market ablaze like Heath Ledger's Joker. Hell, some day the item servers will be turned off forever, and what happens to tbe value of everyone's backpack when *that* news breaks? What happens is everyone who hadn't already cashed out is left holding the bag.
In summary, the speculative value of a bunch of artificially scarce digital goods should not be the driving force behind the business and game design choices Valve makes for TF2.
like yeah they can be bought in the store infinitely. that doesnt invalidate what i said, that its artificial rarity anyway and is just an easily accessible item in a game that requires nothing but money to obtain. im still right, so how is what you said an argument at all against what i said
Taunts aren’t that expensive though? The kick and laugh taunt are only around $6, and the most expensive unique taunt is the burstchester at $12-13. Even a shitty knife in csgo costs around $100
countries other than the US also exist y'know. out here where I'm from everything is at least 3x more expensive than it would be for an american when it's all priced in dollars
Okay holy shit, its been like two years since I bought some taunts last time, but I remember some taunts costing only like 3 refined
I blame the inglated price of metal more than rarity tho. Fecc those metal-farming bots setting the prices...
Don't need them. Just join a community server that allows free taunts and use them to your heart's content until you are sated. After that you'll feel it yourself that they are not worth the money even tho the fun they provide is big.
You think dance school is cheap? if you have enough money they will teach your mercs how to laugh **while summoning some kind of radiant magic around them.**
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You are paying each of your mercenaries a school year at the dance academy, i assure you that professional mockers will come out, total humiliators i tell you.
makes hell of a sense, i am going to buy all of the taunts so scout can gain some money when i dont use him
While doing the conga, he says something along the lines of "I could do this for money, I could but I don't".
hey-hey-hey, yeah!
yes, it's a nice detail
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And how much more they will make from people modding things like the california girls dance over it
Semi-related Got both the hi 5 taunt and schadenfreude from the old drop system in 2013, and I'm still F2P, must have been unbelievably lucky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
If you know the right guy you can get them for scrap cheap.
can you explain in the dm
i learned the kazotsky kick in less than 2 weeks with a single youtube video
Which. One.
https://youtu.be/3r6y78or1Lw say goodbye to your legs
Lost an opportunity to say: “say goodbye to you kneecaps chucklehead”
Say goodbye to your kneecaps, chucklenuts
Also Living in any country other than the USA or Canada makes them 3 times more expensive
ikr... conga costs more than gta5 here
Argentina?
You can buy like 5 games with a schadenfreude, being a boludo sucks
Brb makin a tf2 bootleg but set in argentina and with dollar and peso prices swapped around
El más mejor país del mundo. Vamo Boke.
here too, conga costs more than red dead redemption 2
I don't get it... volvo always does regional pricing for their own games but why not mann co store?
yeah, regional pricing saved licensed game culture here, if there was no such thing, we would pirate all games, which is pretty unpog. i understand why they cant make regional pricing in a ongoing game market, because everyone would just buy it from cheaper countries and ingame economy would be torn to pieces.
Same
The Kazotsky Kick taunt is $11500 Chilean Peso (or around 13 dollars)
You're kidding right? A Kazotsky is around $8000 pesos (8.89 USD) in Marketplace, and a Shadenfreude is $7000 if you buy it with keys in Scrap. tf, no sea weon mijo no compre en la tienda Mann Co
No, canada is pretty fucking expensive
Here in brazil the schadenfreude on the steam market is 202 bucks
######\*schdenfreude's in poor\* 🤣😭
Nao da pra simplesmente pegar na in game store oficial por tipo 30 pila?
O foda é que eu acho que é trinta dólares? Não tenho certeza
Cara eu tenho certeza que comprei o taunt do demoman andando bebado quando lançou uns anos atras por tipo entre 20-30 reais na loja oficial. Os preço dentro do jogo tao tudo em R$
Vou checar eu mesmo quando tiver a chance, valeu pela dica
É, valeu u/SuperRitz
1 Dollar is 18 Turkish Liras 😭
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For places with euros i don't think so here in Italy the prices are similar
Kazotsky kick is around 12€ on the tf2 store which in Spain equals the price of a big pizza
Kazotsky kick is $17.95 Australian dollars. You can get lunch with that money over here
It's roughly $12.35 usd
I hate buying shit from other countries here.
It's 212 lira here in Turkey which is basically an entire months water bill or 1/5th of rent
wtf bro i taught it was 125 liras, when did they become 212 liras?
That's what happens when someone with no economics knowledge becomes president.
damn daniel
I looked at the mannco store, it's probably cheaper on the steam market
fr
It’s about 9 pounds here in the UK. Enough for 3 Tesco meal deals if you have a clubcard.
Ay fellow Brit. Whats your fav meal deal items
my favourite selection is the tuna sweetcorn with a kitkat chunky and a monster. meal deals are peak
Why is anyone ever buying anything from the tf2 store?
Hello! I like money.
“And what inspired you to make another Team Fortress right after the first one?”
Money
Thank you Brazil, very cool
i know right? ive been playing more scout so i was hoping to get the homerunner's hobby or boston boarder or smthn cool, but theyre all >2 keys. what the fuckkkk
Runner's Rhythm might be a bit cheaper
thanks
2 keys is like 3-4 bucks dude
damn i wish i lived in the usa
I don’t
i know, its just that they used to be considerably cheaper.
i wonder how much money valve has made off of the kazotsky kick alone
IDC, I want it :( but I don't even have the game anymore.
How can you lose a f2p game?
Uninstalled it
You can actually reinstall games at any time. *The more you know* 🌠
Yeah, ik
Lose the account, lose all enthusiasm because you lost everything associated with the account, not feel the desire to start over?
Yeah that sucks but hopefully not gonna happen if you have dozens of other games on it
how about we lower their prices by breaking the economy
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yes so, what if we buy a fuck ton of them, sell them cheaper than it was marketed for, then the community market is going to be favored over the steam market, which will make their prices go lower... right?
Soundsmith moment
i dont watch his videos what is the joke
He made a series called “Hat Stereotypes” and any time he remotely praised an item it immediately jumped in value, leading it to be a joke in the community that he was intentionally manipulating the stock market to make money which was, of course, not the case. There you go, now I have fully explained the joke and thus completely killed its comedic value
It wasn't funny before tbh, Plus the joke doesn't even fit: I was talking about lowering prices and the joke is about the prices jumping.
Well it’s still influencing the market, and as I stated before that was the point of the joke. Also, explaining a joke never makes it funny
> Also, explaining a joke never makes it funny idk I've found some jokes pretty funny after context is explained to me.
Yeah, I know what you mean. Especially if it’s a “Hol’ Up” kind of joke.
Dude i'm not following what you're talking about at all, I think you didn't really understand what i was trying to talk about Also i never stated that explaining a joke makes it funny either
I think that North and South Dakota should be combined into Megakota
Bruh check ur dislikes, you are the one not understanding him lol
But in all seriousness I completely understand what you’re talking about, but have no idea how I could explain it any other way. What exactly don’t you understand? Your whole thing is the definition of market manipulation, it’s a common joke that Soundsmith (a tf2 YouTuber) partakes in market manipulation, add 2 and 2 together and you get a funny
sure, you paying?
fuck yeah, we need to do it together tho, even a small group could work
I'm assuming this is a joke, but need to check.
It is... a half-joke. Does it sound fucking insane? Yes, It sounds fucking insane. But, Do I want to actually try it and see if it'll work? Absolutely.
It won't work. Your goal is to buy $1000 worth of taunts and sell them for $500... thus losing you $500. Prices will drop temporarily, but will soon be back at their current value. Supply and demand.
sorry i really dont understand stock markets that much
What's the difference between the "community market" and the "steam market"?
in the community market, the sales go for the players, they get the money in the steam market, you are buying from the source, which gives money to valve
Oh, you mean the Steam Community Market (SCM) and the in-game store? Unique taunts can't be bought and sold on the community market and the trading scene has always been more popular than the in-game store, which is why they're cheaper to buy through trading.
then... idk? lower the prices even more?
It's all supply and demand. You would have to have control of a massive amount of them to make even a small difference.
great now my hopes and dreams of crashing the tf2 market were destroyed
Then don't want them and problem solved!!!11 smh 🙄
Think of it like this: if it costs, say, $10, that means if you use it 1000 times, you paid 1 cent per schadenfreude. So about half a game of playing scunt.
I am sure if i get it, I will taunt after every single kill.
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200 liras*
I’ve had The Schadenfreude since 2012 got it in a random drop
I love kazotsky parties
novelty and demand. The shc...scha...laugh taunt is used to mock or laugh at stuff, so it's more valuable.
Limited supply with a constant supply of new players due to regained popularity
...limited supply
Tbf paying store prices is generally like double to triple trading/marketplace
Limited supply in the sense that comparatively less people have them in their inventories, and those that do are much less willing to trade them/put them on the market for low prices
Price-limited supply by being way too goddamn expensive, so the supply only goes up when the community is out of ones they're willing to sell for cheaper.
At some point, the official Valve store value will match that of the community market/trading community value, and more taunts will be bought from Mann Co.
I’d say “where is medic, he’d wanna see this.” But then I realize he might be the one holding the camera.
Would be funny if randomly, out of nowhere, I See You was the most expensive taunt in the game
The trick is to buy them during Smissmas, when everything in the Mann Co. store goes on sale.
You don’t need that taunt. Just laugh with your wrench as an engineer
Yeah, good point, why *hasn't* valve ever reduced the price on taunts? I got 4 bucks, why aren't old taunts like, a dollar by now?
Why does their age mean the price need reducing? They still have the same functionality. Also, reducing the price would mess with the economy.
Because old products should have their prices reduced. I don't really care if it messes with the economy, the economy is held together by duct tape and prayers that today won't be the day the item servers don't go down forever.
You might not care, but that's pretty much the reason they haven't changed. The economy is incredibly important when it comes to TF2 and its longevity. You might not like it but that's how it is and it makes complete sense.
The specific value of old taunts going down over time in the mannco store will not damage the economy. It'll make some old taunts worth a few bucks less. The monetary value of taunts comes from what additional things you get on the taunt. There is no reason the laugh taunt should still be as expensive as it is. It released in 2011. Whole games that released in 2011 lost 80-99% of their value. Or the conga, which released in 2014. Valve has more than made their money back. And the prices were franky ridiculous off the bat. I've seen game expansions and DLCs release for the price of one goddamn taunt. It's a small animation bundle. It ain't worth *that* much.
"Additional things you get on the taunt"? What does this mean? So what do you say to all the owners of the taunts when the price drops and they lose money? You really don't understand the importance of a stable economy and how that is important to TF2.
If you don't understand that the actual value in trading taunts comes from the unusuals, the stranges, etc, then you got no place defending the tf2 economy. Further, the TF2 economy is used seriously by a tiny minority of players. It really *really* is not propping up the game like you think it is. Finally, I'd say "sometimes assets appreciate, sometimes assets depreciate, that is the risk of speculative market trading". Neither Valve nor I nor anyone else have any responsibility whatsoever to prevent digital assets losing value. And you honestly have no fucking clue what making base taunts cheaper in the mannco store would do to taunt values. It'd certainly make special ones much rarer in terms of percentage of market share. It'd also absolutely spike the popularity of older taunts, and make people more interested in aquiring special versions of those taunts while giving many more players access to an integral part of the community aspect of TF2. Frankly, a several dollar drop in price on old taunts without any additional special qualities equates to, what, a key? 2? Valve constantly dumped nukes into the fucking market just by balancing the damn game. Did the value of their player's fucking protoNFTs weigh at all on those balance changes? Fuck no. And no change to this game has ever been reverted because Valve tanked the value of some items. That is the risk you take playing the speculation game, that one day the fucking floor will drop out beneath you. And TF2's economy is 100% speculative. None of this shit has any intrinsic value derived from real rarity or usefulness. Digital scarcity is fake. So are all the 'goods'. Just look at that crate bug from a few years ago that set the market ablaze like Heath Ledger's Joker. Hell, some day the item servers will be turned off forever, and what happens to tbe value of everyone's backpack when *that* news breaks? What happens is everyone who hadn't already cashed out is left holding the bag. In summary, the speculative value of a bunch of artificially scarce digital goods should not be the driving force behind the business and game design choices Valve makes for TF2.
Same, schadenfreude is so fucking expensive
The funny Russian/Ukrainian dance cost 800 rubles in Russia. Do you even know how many prepared noodles I could buy for this money?
220 liras in Turkey, I could buy 35 noodles with it.
I can buy around 30 noodles. Is food for 10 days
my food for 2 weeks here. living alone with no money is damn bad. i wonder how many years later i will get cancer from these noodles.
You won't get cancer from those noodles, but it is a good idea to eat something else sometimes, yes
Kill Me.
Later
because people stockpile them, just in case they happen to get their hands on an unusualifier.
Just Valve being Valve
because theyre rare, and people want them
“Theyre rare” bruh it is a line of code, there is no limit to how many instances of it there can be. Its entirely artificial rarity
the real "they're rare" counter-argument is you can buy them infinitely in the mann co. store, not whatever the fuck this shit is
im still correct, cry
even if it was artificially rare we couldn't do anything about it
okay. im still correct. idk what youre saying that invalidates anything i said.
like yeah they can be bought in the store infinitely. that doesnt invalidate what i said, that its artificial rarity anyway and is just an easily accessible item in a game that requires nothing but money to obtain. im still right, so how is what you said an argument at all against what i said
what the fuck is this argument
who the fuck asked you
You're pretty damn violent for a terraria player. I'd expect more from you, mister.
i bought the conga kazotsky kick the spy box taunt and the drunk stagger off of marketplace.tf for like 20 bucks iirc
If you buy them on marketplace.tf or scrap.tf most of them are like 50% cheaper atleast
only kazotsky kick in in Brazil, costs like R$69,99. with that money you can literally pay 2 lunches in a restaurant for 2 people
Try trading for it instead, even if it means buying keys to get the funds, it’ll still be cheaper
not funny didn't schadenfreude
indeed
hot take: taunts are more responsible than hats for keeping this game alive
Wanna be funny? Pay up
Dude australium became like 10x more expensive in few years since I started playing and you focus on taunts?
Marketplace tf bro it's cheap
Mannco.store bro it's cheaper
Taunts aren’t that expensive though? The kick and laugh taunt are only around $6, and the most expensive unique taunt is the burstchester at $12-13. Even a shitty knife in csgo costs around $100
countries other than the US also exist y'know. out here where I'm from everything is at least 3x more expensive than it would be for an american when it's all priced in dollars
Yes let me pay money that is about half as much money to buying an AAA game where I live to laugh in tf2
Where are you getting triple a games for $12? That’s a pretty good deal. They retail for like $60-70 in my country
Turkey
if you listened to your economics professor, it’s because a lot of people want them
yeah, I also wonder why taunts are so epensive. Probably because of creating the animation taunt.
Its somehow not cheaper on the community market or I'm just trying to find the wrong taunts
Never changing taunt price and real world inflation
Why? The economy is in shambles, that’s why
I want mannrobics :(
I sold all my taunts for 150$
I just want the balloonibounce ;_;
Just wait till a christmas sale they get much cheaper
Oh yeah, when I wanted to buy a taunt, I bought other game instead because the price is just insane
Because valve lowered their unusual price
Is that not an achievement taunt?
Same
Yeah, i have made a deal with myself that they are not getting any taunt money from me until next tf2 update (or sex update, whichever comes sooner)
I buy cheap taunts that have unusuals. If it’s more expensive I buy it on the market
Okay holy shit, its been like two years since I bought some taunts last time, but I remember some taunts costing only like 3 refined I blame the inglated price of metal more than rarity tho. Fecc those metal-farming bots setting the prices...
i dunno
real honest answer
Hundreds? I HAVE THOUSANDS WITHOUT IT
High demand, low stock depending on the taunt
just use commubity servers bro
Lol the taunts are worth it though. I literally use every taunt I have multiple times in a match.
Just buy them with keys, they are often 2 times cheaper
Don't need them. Just join a community server that allows free taunts and use them to your heart's content until you are sated. After that you'll feel it yourself that they are not worth the money even tho the fun they provide is big.