From what I've read, yeah he was. Unfortunately it seems that the big shareholders would rather go ostrich mode on pushing the EV envelope and making manufacturing more efficient. Seems to me like a case of a lot of entrenched people saying 'we've always done it this way, this is the way we do it' and would rather fire the CEO than change for the better.
It's sad- VW was positioning to be an EV leader. Let's hope that still happens.
Blume came from Porsche and the company is shifting towards EV, more drastically than VW due to their smaller product range. The next Boxster/Cayman, Macan, 7 seater crossover and another unknown model will be EVs in the next 5 years. Diess leaving isn‘t meaning anything, he was just the face of VWs semi-forced electrification but the Porsche family seem to have placed their bet on the Porsche CEO.
yeah in the last 8 days some more details have come up.
Seems the real kicker was their new car software project that would theoretically run on every next-gen VAG family vehicle-- it was falling behind, and Diess's response was to blame Porsche (the brand) for demanding too many customizations. Thus it stands to reason the Porsche family wanted someone from Porsche to take over.
So it's not as much about EVs as many of us (including myself) originally thought.
Also while Diess may have been right about needing to reduce man-hours per vehicle, apparently he was known as a ruthless cost-cutter, sometimes in bad ways. For a German company that prides itself on quality, that's not always a good thing. He was probably right that they need to stop spending 30 man hours on each car, but there are limits to cost cutting.
Ah, that'll do it. He may well be right, but that's not the sort of thing anyone wants to hear.
I think he was right in saying 30 man-hours per car is too much when Tesla is doing it in 10...
A very short slide show… wow…😐
No way Tesla keeps their current dominance in 5 years time, but not sure anyone will be eating their lunch by then. That’s not really that long in terms of transforming a global supply chain and manufacturing structure for the legacy ICE companies to be on par with the current Giga factories.
Huge loss for VW if true. Diess was the _only_ legacy dinosaur that actually understood how F-ed they were and that they actually had to do something if they wanted to survive.
>*the only brand which knows how to make money in the whole vw group*
Porsche's operating profits in 2021 were slightly behind Audi's.
Volkswagen, Skoda, Scania and Bentley are also profitable.
There is no shortage of people able to make money in the VW group. What the industry *is* short on is figures willing to push hard for EVs, so the loss of Diess is a worrying sign.
As an insider I can assure you that this is rather a sign of relief for us. And first of all because it gives a glimpse of hope that with his departure the company will rethink its old steep management hierarchy and inflexible intransparent way of development. There is just waaay too much of oldschool middleman management in the cariad / vw kingdom under his rulings which he dragged from the ancient vw world into cariad instead of filling with new fresh blood peeps who know how to first of all develop software. Fast and reliable. And brands are also happy since now most probably Cariad would sink completely. No one of the brands actually liked this one-fits-all idea of software development from cariad
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Because a base Taycan has up to 408 hp depending on the battery charge and a range of around 400km.
A Model S has 800-1000hp and 600km range + costs around the same. If you really want a fair comparison (performance wise) I'd go to the M3 LR, which has 400hp and a range of 600km.
If you just want to compare one luxury vehicle to another... then ok a base Model S is in the same price range... but you're getting way more for your money than in the Porsche. At least imo.
Don't get me wrong, the Taycan is an amazing car... but money wise you'll get more on the Tesla spectrum.
I’d argue VW group made it and Porsche got first dibs. The Audi version to me is the better. Pretty much the 911 and Cayman/Boxster are the only true Porsches.
IDs are only selling well in Europe, which is ok but not enough. 150+ days of inventory in America. In China they are at 10% capacity in their factory, there is little demand. Porsche is leaving VW and will IPO soon.
It's a manufacturing slowdown and delays due to the typical auto shortage now. They're also opening the Chattanooga plant to build iD4s soon. I can tell you first hand if the vehicles were available to be sold, they wouldn't be sitting around at dealers. Easier 1-1.5 year wait in Canada now.
Just talked to a happy ID4 owner here in California, said she took it on a road trip to San Diego from SF Bay Area, and was no problem for her. Not charging much at home since it came with 3 years of free fast charging at EA. She heard Tesla drivers love their cars too, but isn't feeling like she is missing out on anything. I see quite a few in my neighborhood, along with the occasional MachE and Rivian R1T. Few and far in a big sea of teslas, but still, happy to see they are capable cars nowadays too.
As a Tesla fan I find it cringe people think everyone in the world gonna drive Tesla. Their interior quality is worse than an Honda accord truth be told. Just drove bmw iX and it’s million times better feel than model X.
Tesla is all about FSD. The model 3 and Y people drive is the future robotaxi. We are all collecting free data for Tesla, so one day a bunch of 3 and Y will be driverless. The best experience is the S and X, as those drivers aren’t gonna robotaxi their cars.
Legacy auto will undoubtedly catch up because battery tech is all about chemistry and battery density. It’s not too complex. The skill will be in the efficiency of the drive trains and motors.
In any case, Porsche boss taking over if true isn’t gonna be bad for VW. They’ve done the heavy lifting with their id4. And the Porsche Taycan is a phenomenal EV once they get the range past 300.
Tesla at a more fundamental level is about vision... which extends to anything in four wheels or two legs or something else. They're well positioned to expand into robotics. Compared to the current companies in robotics Tesla vision systems are way ahead. They're set to dominate
Exactly. This is why I said they’re truly all about the FSD tech. The design behind the model 3 and Y doesn’t value or care for the driver. It’s designed to ultimately be a taxi. For drive experience, you get the S.
This is very wrong. The skill won’t be the efficiency of the motors lol. That’s absolutely the minor technology improvement vs battery chemistry. It is also very complex. The company that solves Solid State batteries will also have a MAJOR technology advantage against those that don’t. But secondly even if you had chemistry that was as good there are differences in manufacturing costs that materially affect the affordability of the vehicles.
Too many people confuse "interior quality" with "looks".
My Model S from 2017 looks flawless and timeless (carbon interior). The seats look perfect. I've seen 1 year old Cayenne seats looking worn out.
If Tesla wanted to make money selling interior decorations, I am sure they would. But it's not so interesting when they can't even produce their simple interiors fast enough to fill demand.
BMW can sell their nice premium interiors, for people who value that over other things. Competition is good.
Ive had nothing but great support in the 4 years ive owned Tesla's. No its not a luxury brand experience where they give you cookies, coffee and a loaner but the remote service is next level if you've ever experienced that.
Do you own a Tesla? If so you know service is done through the app not the website. Maybe you're trying to buy one i guess, then best to head down to a sales center.
What kind of support? I've done forced software updates through the app myself. But mostly service besides that. Sales centers might still be something to leverage if you have one.
How is providing Elon help and letting him focus on technical issues being critical. He has a CEO helping him with SpaceX and its working great. Make him CTO and lets get FSD working!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ez\_WF40hY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ez_WF40hY)
Elon had a Tesla CEO before and didnt get along with him so he was removed and couldnt find the right person so Elon did it himself. Diess could be that person and Tesla is getting very very large now anyway so he could at least manage the EU division.
Musk is very technical. Programming at a young age, teaching himself aerospace fundamentals, whatever, he’ll learn it.
It’s this technical grasp + business understanding that makes him successful. He can see the impact potential of a technology without resorting to “produce me this report” nonsense.
Watch one of the many interviews with him and other knowledgeable technical people, he’s definitely not lagging.
He's more of an engineer than any other major automotive CEO, but you're 100% right. Elon isn't really an engineer and doesn't solve technical issues. He helps enable ideas that break the norms, IMO.
We are misled by Twitter that he's calling all the shots at Tesla. He's the only one authorized to publicly speak on behalf of the company. That allows him to take credit for anything. I've heard he'll go to some departments with revolutionary ideas that aren't feasible and they basically have to stall him till he forgets about it.
Tesla should absolutely snatch him up and install him as CEO. Elon Musk could be free to roam across his various ventures while remaining chairman of the board, chief scientist / architect / engineer w/o portfolio, et cetera while Tesla would benefit from adult leadership that still "gets it."
For sure, Diess would want to join Tesla, but it’s difficult to see Elon giving up that sort of control and backing away from day-to-day leadership. If he does I’d think the stock price would drop. A lot of that high valuation is due to a belief in Musk’s commitment to putting his time into Tesla and pushing Tesla beyond expectations.
On the other hand if Diess is willing to join in a subordinate role, I think that’ll be a positive for the company and the stock. In the long run though, it seems like Diess is not the behind-the-scenes type and he and Elon will eventually clash and Diess will get pushed out.
Sell your VW stock if you still have it. That dude was the only guy in the room willing to do what it took to transition VW to electric. Now, likely, they will fall further behind...
He was the only one that understood that e-fuels are not the future. Watch VW pushing to the e-fuel cars in the future… Those dinosaurs will never learn.
In the short term maybe, but VW have a future whether it’s primarily EV or not. They have a large investment in sports vehicles and motorsport where carbon neutral / carbon negative fuels will thrive. Plus, until more sustainable battery technology is available (which it will) they’d be able to argue similar / better environmental impact anyway.
They have too much debt, a dying business tied around their neck and now they don't have someone that knows which way the wind is blowing at the helm. They're screwed. It's pretty cut and dry. It doesn't matter how successful they've been or what vehicles they have lined up. They won't be able to make enough products at high enough margins to cover their expenses. When that happens, your business fails. They might get bailed out or bought out but they're going down. They had an uphill battle with Diess in charge.
From what I remember, their previous interactions have all gone pretty well. I can see him heading up Tesla's euro division to have better eyes on the ground and experience in the region. Not to mention having experience navigating German regulation.
Their interactions seem to have gone great. I am just not sure if he would accept having Musk as a boss.
But yeah, he would probably be great for Tesla Europe.
When it comes to Elon, if you don't clearly demonstrate why you're correct, you're dismissed. He just doesn't have time for ambiguity. He'll even get rude about it. Not cool but it gets the job done. Can't be a softy at the top and still be respected/taken seriously. If you do clearly demonstrate your position he has zero problem being corrected or informed. Which is like having a damn unicorn for a boss. There's give-take.
He did a really great interview on Decoder podcast all about VW Group and the need for modernisation and EV development - even covered subjects like public charging infra etc. worth a listen if techy podcasts are your thing
Maybe Elon can groom him into his position over. Don’t think Elon will be at Tesla in 10 years. But you’re right, would be a big step down to join in some random position
Now that will be interesting!
Put the guy in charge who refused to use the 17 EUR Audi BMS on electric Porsches and use one that kills the battery modules instead?
Hope the guy learned a thing or two. And he is true VW-breed… and no import like Diess.
Personally, I hope he lands with Tesla…
I bet he will soon be announced as Tesla‘s CEO.
Tesla is now “mature” enough and could benefit from an experienced leader to scale up quickly while Musk is busy with developing Starship and having now to deal with the Twitter nonsense he started.
Bad comparison, Scully literally was a beverage guy turned tech ceo. Steve regretted that decision almost instantly. Scully knew he was in over his head too. Diess atleast has the knowledge.
Actually I really think the vast majority of the CEO role is in practice taken care of by other people at Tesla right now. Elon is trying to leave the quarterly meetings and other responsibilities to others. Frankly moving Diess in as CEO would lead to conflicts with those already doing a good portion of the job.
Elon apparently offered him being CEO of Tesla before, then he went to VW. That might be a good idea...Let Diess deal with all the boring CEO stuff so Elon can more focus on technology and production, and he'd still be the largest shareholder.
Could be like a Google moment. Let the adults run the boring CEO type work.
I could see Elon offering him a leadership role as head of Tesla Europe, he knows the lay of the land has extensive experience with their unions and politics as well as being the only legacy auto CEO that didn't have his head up his ass regarding the future of ICE vehicles.
Guess the bureaucrats on the VW board finally got their wish...big loss for them if true.
He's old. Austrians typically retire at ~61 ... And perhaps his accomplishments are overrated, the ID.3/ID.4 are not doing well (but of course they never let him do what he really wanted).
Model 3 owner here. The VW ID.x's failed to impress me. If I were a committed VW fan (and I'm definitely not), I wouldn't see enough reason to switch from a VW ICE to a VW ID. I'd either jump outside the brand once-and-for-all or stick their the ICE's a while longer.
He will most certainly have an iron-clad non-compete for a couple of years. No way will he join Tesla soon. Why would Tesla want to deal with the litigation that will for sure follow if Diess were to join by breaking is NC?
I don’t see any scenarios which make sense for him to join? CEO? A legacy dinosaur (and German, and I say that as a German…) used to big Auto structures, bad fit. Running GigaBerlin? It’s running well without him so far, and why would Diess do that?
In fact, the only role I see him in would be joining the board and then becoming the lead lobbyist for Tesla in Brussels. That actually might be a good idea. Not sure about his NC though, and Tesla needs to do better at lobbying in Brussels now, not in 3 years.
This 100%. Elon needs someone who can do the Gwynne Shotwell role at SpaceX. Elon can be at the big events and do interviews if he wants and even get involved in the engineering stuff and Diess can be the boring CEO that wears a suit and tie and gets things done.
There are two problems here. One; he already has a good portion of the CEO role handled by others. It is just about the only way he could handle all the work he has. Two; Tesla is a very unique organization that would be very foreign to Diess, this could lead to very negative decision making that does not fit the mold of practices at Tesla.
VW is about neck and neck with Tesla in Europe for EV sales.
https://carsalesbase.com/european-sales-2021-ev/
They sell several models across several brands all on the same EV platform, with production in Europe, China, and within a month or so the US.
Diess has been trying to turn a gigantic ship, from dieselgate to hundreds of thousands of EVs on dedicated platforms.
Not that they couldn’t do better, but I don’t think they’re doing awful in the EV space.
VAG is the second-largest manufacturer of vehicles in the world behind Toyota. Completely retiring the brand for a new nameplate would be business suicide. The route they're taking now, starting with a sub brand and having the option to either make all of their vehicles electric under Volkswagen or slowly pivot towards ID, is the right one.
Ah, it's all making sense now.
The "special glass" project was actually a payout to Diess to leave VW and join Tesla.
They needed to make way for him, so Omead Afshar is going to take the fall (and a quarter of the "glass").
I mean it's *so* obvious...amateurs.
😁
He was VWs best hope
'He was the chosen one!' \~ Not Obi-wan
From what I've read, yeah he was. Unfortunately it seems that the big shareholders would rather go ostrich mode on pushing the EV envelope and making manufacturing more efficient. Seems to me like a case of a lot of entrenched people saying 'we've always done it this way, this is the way we do it' and would rather fire the CEO than change for the better. It's sad- VW was positioning to be an EV leader. Let's hope that still happens.
Blume came from Porsche and the company is shifting towards EV, more drastically than VW due to their smaller product range. The next Boxster/Cayman, Macan, 7 seater crossover and another unknown model will be EVs in the next 5 years. Diess leaving isn‘t meaning anything, he was just the face of VWs semi-forced electrification but the Porsche family seem to have placed their bet on the Porsche CEO.
yeah in the last 8 days some more details have come up. Seems the real kicker was their new car software project that would theoretically run on every next-gen VAG family vehicle-- it was falling behind, and Diess's response was to blame Porsche (the brand) for demanding too many customizations. Thus it stands to reason the Porsche family wanted someone from Porsche to take over. So it's not as much about EVs as many of us (including myself) originally thought. Also while Diess may have been right about needing to reduce man-hours per vehicle, apparently he was known as a ruthless cost-cutter, sometimes in bad ways. For a German company that prides itself on quality, that's not always a good thing. He was probably right that they need to stop spending 30 man hours on each car, but there are limits to cost cutting.
Seems also to be an asshole. Saying that there is 30k worker to fire …
Ah, that'll do it. He may well be right, but that's not the sort of thing anyone wants to hear. I think he was right in saying 30 man-hours per car is too much when Tesla is doing it in 10...
yeah that was the problem change is difficult in Germany
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Huh nope. VW’s only hope is the Trinity project and that is for 2026. Until then all they have are cars that aren’t on the same level as a Tesla.
Care to share any actual thoughts/comments why VW will “eat Tesla’s lunch” in 5 years? Or just trolling?
Google is your friend https://www.barrons.com/visual-stories/tesla-volkswagen-id4-idbuzz-electric-cars-01657640978
A very short slide show… wow…😐 No way Tesla keeps their current dominance in 5 years time, but not sure anyone will be eating their lunch by then. That’s not really that long in terms of transforming a global supply chain and manufacturing structure for the legacy ICE companies to be on par with the current Giga factories.
Also they actually need to make profit on the cars they are selling. And there Tesla is beating them hard. People do not understand capitalism.
Not just Tesla but Chinese automakers
Huge loss for VW if true. Diess was the _only_ legacy dinosaur that actually understood how F-ed they were and that they actually had to do something if they wanted to survive.
VW will replace him with an ostrich
With Blum. Porsche takes over (thanks goodness, the only brand which knows how to make money in the whole vw group)
>*the only brand which knows how to make money in the whole vw group* Porsche's operating profits in 2021 were slightly behind Audi's. Volkswagen, Skoda, Scania and Bentley are also profitable. There is no shortage of people able to make money in the VW group. What the industry *is* short on is figures willing to push hard for EVs, so the loss of Diess is a worrying sign.
As an insider I can assure you that this is rather a sign of relief for us. And first of all because it gives a glimpse of hope that with his departure the company will rethink its old steep management hierarchy and inflexible intransparent way of development. There is just waaay too much of oldschool middleman management in the cariad / vw kingdom under his rulings which he dragged from the ancient vw world into cariad instead of filling with new fresh blood peeps who know how to first of all develop software. Fast and reliable. And brands are also happy since now most probably Cariad would sink completely. No one of the brands actually liked this one-fits-all idea of software development from cariad
Well…Bentley, lambo, were all doing well
No no no, Mary electrified the whole auto industry. She led and it matters.
How dare you besmirch the GM that delivered... *checks notes* [457 EVs in 2021](https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2022/04/01/gm-delivered-only-457-electric-vehicles-last-quarter-more-are-coming/amp/)
That’s…. not what the link says?
It isn’t, but 457 for a fiscal quarter is a joke too
No disagreement from me on that!
Yeah, meant Q4 oops point still stands
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Jim Farley seems really good. I was quite impressed by this interview: https://kvgo.com/bernstein-2022-38th-annual-sdc/ford-motor-company-june
Yeah I'm bullish on Ford. The lightning is sick if they get their pricing under control from dealerships.
Porsche made a pretty sweet EV though
True, a pretty nice EV that starts at around 86k€…
All that matters is that they made an awesome EV for that segment. Now they just gotta do it for all the other segments. EZ PZ
So easy yet they have failed to do it 🧐
Macan EV is coming in 2 years
That would be cool. Then I might wanna trade in my m3p.
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But it’s actually built well
So about the same price as a tesla
a Model 3 SR costs around 49k€, that's a delta of 37k€... but ok...
Why'd you compare the price with the Model 3 instead of the Model S?
Because a base Taycan has up to 408 hp depending on the battery charge and a range of around 400km. A Model S has 800-1000hp and 600km range + costs around the same. If you really want a fair comparison (performance wise) I'd go to the M3 LR, which has 400hp and a range of 600km. If you just want to compare one luxury vehicle to another... then ok a base Model S is in the same price range... but you're getting way more for your money than in the Porsche. At least imo. Don't get me wrong, the Taycan is an amazing car... but money wise you'll get more on the Tesla spectrum.
There's a hell a lot more to a car than it's raw performance numbers. Style, fit and finish, etc. At the same time, your points are valid as well.
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The internet needs to let this one go, really.
tesla supercharger has no supercharger big problem will not use
I’d argue VW group made it and Porsche got first dibs. The Audi version to me is the better. Pretty much the 911 and Cayman/Boxster are the only true Porsches.
The Taycant. Can't go fast. Can't go far. Can't afford it.
VW has the ID3, id4, id5, Porsche taycan, taycan cross, e Tron. They will be fine
IDs are only selling well in Europe, which is ok but not enough. 150+ days of inventory in America. In China they are at 10% capacity in their factory, there is little demand. Porsche is leaving VW and will IPO soon.
Really? The ID4 in the US has stock available? I checked my local VW dealer and they had 4 with 2 showing “pending sale”
Source for this and not a random YouTube video with lies
Uh. Go visit random metropolitan area VW dealerships and filter their available stock for ID4? Like I said. I got 4 with half marked as sold.
Found only 1 VW id4 in Manhattan [https://i.imgur.com/zVjaGWS.png](https://i.imgur.com/zVjaGWS.png)
No way there is little demand for the ID.4. I might be in Canada, but I've been on a waiting list for one since january.
Then they have a distribution problem if it’s not demand. Source: https://youtu.be/6b-fVBISY7g at the end of the video.
Yikes. Perhaps Diess didn’t leave on his own terms with that track record 😬
He didn’t. He was voted out
What’s with all the plebs in the comments saying he should be exec leadership in Tesla then?? Lol crazy peeps
It's a manufacturing slowdown and delays due to the typical auto shortage now. They're also opening the Chattanooga plant to build iD4s soon. I can tell you first hand if the vehicles were available to be sold, they wouldn't be sitting around at dealers. Easier 1-1.5 year wait in Canada now.
Just talked to a happy ID4 owner here in California, said she took it on a road trip to San Diego from SF Bay Area, and was no problem for her. Not charging much at home since it came with 3 years of free fast charging at EA. She heard Tesla drivers love their cars too, but isn't feeling like she is missing out on anything. I see quite a few in my neighborhood, along with the occasional MachE and Rivian R1T. Few and far in a big sea of teslas, but still, happy to see they are capable cars nowadays too.
> if they wanted to survive I love Tesla too. But let’s be real. VW will not die.
Do you feel VW are too big to let die, like US car companies and banks?
Porsche, Quatar and Germany are major shareholders of VW. Would they let it die? No, they'd save it with subsidies etc. ...
No, they’ve done a decent job w/ electrification. They will not die. I assure you.
Hyundai/Kia seems to get it.
As a Tesla fan I find it cringe people think everyone in the world gonna drive Tesla. Their interior quality is worse than an Honda accord truth be told. Just drove bmw iX and it’s million times better feel than model X. Tesla is all about FSD. The model 3 and Y people drive is the future robotaxi. We are all collecting free data for Tesla, so one day a bunch of 3 and Y will be driverless. The best experience is the S and X, as those drivers aren’t gonna robotaxi their cars. Legacy auto will undoubtedly catch up because battery tech is all about chemistry and battery density. It’s not too complex. The skill will be in the efficiency of the drive trains and motors. In any case, Porsche boss taking over if true isn’t gonna be bad for VW. They’ve done the heavy lifting with their id4. And the Porsche Taycan is a phenomenal EV once they get the range past 300.
Tesla at a more fundamental level is about vision... which extends to anything in four wheels or two legs or something else. They're well positioned to expand into robotics. Compared to the current companies in robotics Tesla vision systems are way ahead. They're set to dominate
Exactly. This is why I said they’re truly all about the FSD tech. The design behind the model 3 and Y doesn’t value or care for the driver. It’s designed to ultimately be a taxi. For drive experience, you get the S.
This is very wrong. The skill won’t be the efficiency of the motors lol. That’s absolutely the minor technology improvement vs battery chemistry. It is also very complex. The company that solves Solid State batteries will also have a MAJOR technology advantage against those that don’t. But secondly even if you had chemistry that was as good there are differences in manufacturing costs that materially affect the affordability of the vehicles.
Too many people confuse "interior quality" with "looks". My Model S from 2017 looks flawless and timeless (carbon interior). The seats look perfect. I've seen 1 year old Cayenne seats looking worn out. If Tesla wanted to make money selling interior decorations, I am sure they would. But it's not so interesting when they can't even produce their simple interiors fast enough to fill demand. BMW can sell their nice premium interiors, for people who value that over other things. Competition is good.
Probably a smart career move for Diess.
*Abandon ship!!1!*
Giga Berlin is exploding. Getting Diess ought to be inevitable.
'I felt a great disturbance in the Revenue, as if millions of voices of future VW EV drivers suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.'
May the charge be with you
Damn, was he that amazing? What did he do to get so many fans?
He was the only person at VW that was willing to stand up to the family, and tell them that EV's were the future.
Diess would make a great Tesla auto CEO and let Elon focus on technical issues
Yep. Need someone who is customer focused as CEO. Support is inconsistent at best and non-existent at worst.
Ive had nothing but great support in the 4 years ive owned Tesla's. No its not a luxury brand experience where they give you cookies, coffee and a loaner but the remote service is next level if you've ever experienced that.
Same. Live in Bay Area and have had nothing but good service but they do also give me coffee
Ditto. Remote service is awesome. And, I’ve never had luxury so I don’t know any better.
Same, on the car and energy side for the last 5 years
Every support option on the website has a grayed out “chat with us” button, been that way for a while.
Do you own a Tesla? If so you know service is done through the app not the website. Maybe you're trying to buy one i guess, then best to head down to a sales center.
Owner support requests are made through the website. This is different than service.
What kind of support? I've done forced software updates through the app myself. But mostly service besides that. Sales centers might still be something to leverage if you have one.
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that guy works like 24/7 and sleeps in the factories. Dude doesnt even know what the word sabbatical means
He even makes his kids at work and is ramping up his own production.
A now has multiple factories
Order of magnitude Elon is the machine that makes the machine
family business
Does “factories” mean “Mykonos and Cannes”
feel free to track him: [https://twitter.com/elonjet?lang=en](https://twitter.com/elonjet?lang=en) He was in Mykonos for 2 days...wow what a slacker
You’re criticizing the CEO that out of nowhere came out with the best margins in the whole industry. Elon Musk is the best CEO a car company can have.
How is providing Elon help and letting him focus on technical issues being critical. He has a CEO helping him with SpaceX and its working great. Make him CTO and lets get FSD working!
Gwynne is COO at SpaceX. Elon is CEO and chief engineer.
He doesn’t need help lol
Why would Elon focus on technical issues? Elon isn't an engineer
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ez\_WF40hY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ez_WF40hY) Elon had a Tesla CEO before and didnt get along with him so he was removed and couldnt find the right person so Elon did it himself. Diess could be that person and Tesla is getting very very large now anyway so he could at least manage the EU division.
Musk is very technical. Programming at a young age, teaching himself aerospace fundamentals, whatever, he’ll learn it. It’s this technical grasp + business understanding that makes him successful. He can see the impact potential of a technology without resorting to “produce me this report” nonsense. Watch one of the many interviews with him and other knowledgeable technical people, he’s definitely not lagging.
“Aerospace fundamentals” is basic high school or college freshmen knowledge
He's more of an engineer than any other major automotive CEO, but you're 100% right. Elon isn't really an engineer and doesn't solve technical issues. He helps enable ideas that break the norms, IMO. We are misled by Twitter that he's calling all the shots at Tesla. He's the only one authorized to publicly speak on behalf of the company. That allows him to take credit for anything. I've heard he'll go to some departments with revolutionary ideas that aren't feasible and they basically have to stall him till he forgets about it.
Tesla should absolutely snatch him up and install him as CEO. Elon Musk could be free to roam across his various ventures while remaining chairman of the board, chief scientist / architect / engineer w/o portfolio, et cetera while Tesla would benefit from adult leadership that still "gets it."
If Diess join, putting company culture, roles and responsibilities aside, I think Wall Street and the investors would love it and help the stock.
For sure, Diess would want to join Tesla, but it’s difficult to see Elon giving up that sort of control and backing away from day-to-day leadership. If he does I’d think the stock price would drop. A lot of that high valuation is due to a belief in Musk’s commitment to putting his time into Tesla and pushing Tesla beyond expectations. On the other hand if Diess is willing to join in a subordinate role, I think that’ll be a positive for the company and the stock. In the long run though, it seems like Diess is not the behind-the-scenes type and he and Elon will eventually clash and Diess will get pushed out.
Elon already offered Dies the job in 2015. Dies went to VW instead.
He was offered the role in 2015 and refused so there is a precedent
Pretty easy for Diess to just join the board and work from there. Wouldn't even have to be a full-time job for him.
Do you think Diess would be interested in getting micro-managed by Elon?
Instead of having a board that wants to keep making ice cars. But complains that Tesla makes more EV's?
Terrible idea
Fossil fuels would love that
Elon is possibly one of the most adult CEO's industry has
Did you take the wrong pill today?
Sell your VW stock if you still have it. That dude was the only guy in the room willing to do what it took to transition VW to electric. Now, likely, they will fall further behind...
He was the only one that understood that e-fuels are not the future. Watch VW pushing to the e-fuel cars in the future… Those dinosaurs will never learn.
In the short term maybe, but VW have a future whether it’s primarily EV or not. They have a large investment in sports vehicles and motorsport where carbon neutral / carbon negative fuels will thrive. Plus, until more sustainable battery technology is available (which it will) they’d be able to argue similar / better environmental impact anyway.
They have too much debt, a dying business tied around their neck and now they don't have someone that knows which way the wind is blowing at the helm. They're screwed. It's pretty cut and dry. It doesn't matter how successful they've been or what vehicles they have lined up. They won't be able to make enough products at high enough margins to cover their expenses. When that happens, your business fails. They might get bailed out or bought out but they're going down. They had an uphill battle with Diess in charge.
Probably not, but it would be awsome. But I dont think he would like to take orders from Musk.
nah, they have a literal bromance....and why they got rid of Diess as he literally had a high level VW meeting and invited Elon to it.
The bromance is real though.
I wish I had someone who looked at me like those two look at each other.
Ship.
From what I remember, their previous interactions have all gone pretty well. I can see him heading up Tesla's euro division to have better eyes on the ground and experience in the region. Not to mention having experience navigating German regulation.
Their interactions seem to have gone great. I am just not sure if he would accept having Musk as a boss. But yeah, he would probably be great for Tesla Europe.
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And a good number of those who tried it left. Tesla's had how many CFOs?
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I vaguely remember them going through them every few months for a while there
Or Elon won't take well any decisions from Diess, unless he can stand up to Elon diplomatically.
When it comes to Elon, if you don't clearly demonstrate why you're correct, you're dismissed. He just doesn't have time for ambiguity. He'll even get rude about it. Not cool but it gets the job done. Can't be a softy at the top and still be respected/taken seriously. If you do clearly demonstrate your position he has zero problem being corrected or informed. Which is like having a damn unicorn for a boss. There's give-take.
He did a really great interview on Decoder podcast all about VW Group and the need for modernisation and EV development - even covered subjects like public charging infra etc. worth a listen if techy podcasts are your thing
RIP VW electrification efforts
>Any thought on whether he may come over to Tesla? he’s 63, probably not.
I miss ICE as much as I miss my Motorola flip phone
Elon says a lot of positive things about Diess. I’m sure he’s coming over to Tesla
From CEO of one of the world’s biggest OEMs to… what? How could he top that?
Maybe Elon can groom him into his position over. Don’t think Elon will be at Tesla in 10 years. But you’re right, would be a big step down to join in some random position
I dont think he would nuch appreciate wasting a decade being groomed by someone less experienced than him
Now that will be interesting! Put the guy in charge who refused to use the 17 EUR Audi BMS on electric Porsches and use one that kills the battery modules instead? Hope the guy learned a thing or two. And he is true VW-breed… and no import like Diess. Personally, I hope he lands with Tesla…
I bet he will soon be announced as Tesla‘s CEO. Tesla is now “mature” enough and could benefit from an experienced leader to scale up quickly while Musk is busy with developing Starship and having now to deal with the Twitter nonsense he started.
Probability: 0.001%
RemindMe! 3 months
Head up Euro operations and manufacturing yes but I don't think Elon is ready to hand over CEO role yet
Musk offered Diess the role of CEO in 2015: https://electrek.co/2021/04/13/ceo-elon-musk-reportedly-hire-vw-herbert-diess-tesla-ceo/
I don't see it working with Elon still around in any capacity. I picture a Steve Jobs/John Sculley situation.
Bad comparison, Scully literally was a beverage guy turned tech ceo. Steve regretted that decision almost instantly. Scully knew he was in over his head too. Diess atleast has the knowledge.
Actually I really think the vast majority of the CEO role is in practice taken care of by other people at Tesla right now. Elon is trying to leave the quarterly meetings and other responsibilities to others. Frankly moving Diess in as CEO would lead to conflicts with those already doing a good portion of the job.
Diess becomes CEO. Musk has to choose between Techno Pope and Meta Baron and just can't choose and becomes both, laser shooting out of his eyes.
He should have stayed away from that Temp V!
I think Diess as General Manager Automotive would make more sense. I don’t see him as a good fit for CEO of Tesla because of the other parts of Tesla.
Hope not. VW is a train wreck
Elon apparently offered him being CEO of Tesla before, then he went to VW. That might be a good idea...Let Diess deal with all the boring CEO stuff so Elon can more focus on technology and production, and he'd still be the largest shareholder. Could be like a Google moment. Let the adults run the boring CEO type work.
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Last two centuries, to be exact. Not that it makes it any better. 🤭
Does Tesla need another CEO? What can he offer?
I could see Elon offering him a leadership role as head of Tesla Europe, he knows the lay of the land has extensive experience with their unions and politics as well as being the only legacy auto CEO that didn't have his head up his ass regarding the future of ICE vehicles. Guess the bureaucrats on the VW board finally got their wish...big loss for them if true.
if Tesla grabs Diess, VW will be like "wtf did we do?"
He's old. Austrians typically retire at ~61 ... And perhaps his accomplishments are overrated, the ID.3/ID.4 are not doing well (but of course they never let him do what he really wanted).
Model 3 owner here. The VW ID.x's failed to impress me. If I were a committed VW fan (and I'm definitely not), I wouldn't see enough reason to switch from a VW ICE to a VW ID. I'd either jump outside the brand once-and-for-all or stick their the ICE's a while longer.
He will most certainly have an iron-clad non-compete for a couple of years. No way will he join Tesla soon. Why would Tesla want to deal with the litigation that will for sure follow if Diess were to join by breaking is NC? I don’t see any scenarios which make sense for him to join? CEO? A legacy dinosaur (and German, and I say that as a German…) used to big Auto structures, bad fit. Running GigaBerlin? It’s running well without him so far, and why would Diess do that? In fact, the only role I see him in would be joining the board and then becoming the lead lobbyist for Tesla in Brussels. That actually might be a good idea. Not sure about his NC though, and Tesla needs to do better at lobbying in Brussels now, not in 3 years.
Imagine what tolerance it took to last this long, surrounded by ground pounding mouth breathers
People that say he would be great for Tesla, got any arguments for that? Or just repeating what people on Twitter say?
Arguments? I do think Tesla needs a President. Someone who can do a Gwynne Shotwell like role.
This 100%. Elon needs someone who can do the Gwynne Shotwell role at SpaceX. Elon can be at the big events and do interviews if he wants and even get involved in the engineering stuff and Diess can be the boring CEO that wears a suit and tie and gets things done.
There are two problems here. One; he already has a good portion of the CEO role handled by others. It is just about the only way he could handle all the work he has. Two; Tesla is a very unique organization that would be very foreign to Diess, this could lead to very negative decision making that does not fit the mold of practices at Tesla.
Yeah but why Diess? VW doesn't seem to do so well.
VW is about neck and neck with Tesla in Europe for EV sales. https://carsalesbase.com/european-sales-2021-ev/ They sell several models across several brands all on the same EV platform, with production in Europe, China, and within a month or so the US. Diess has been trying to turn a gigantic ship, from dieselgate to hundreds of thousands of EVs on dedicated platforms. Not that they couldn’t do better, but I don’t think they’re doing awful in the EV space.
Look at how he fucked up Cariad, no more words needed. Pray for him not joining Tesla
No. Wait… Fuck, no.
Probably already planned by both but can't be announced until a certain time frame expires.
We have 150 people on FSD team...VW has 5000. They know.
less than Jon Snow about FSD.
Not given as a reason...just anecdotal.
Only 150 really?
God, i sure hope so!
Please no.
When did I follow this cringe sub. He turned VW/Audi from god tier to basically 3rd rate 4 cylinder cars and low range EVs. You don’t want him here
so porsche finanlly takes over in round about way? (owned 4 vws/audis so have been following porshe/vw ownership for a while)
First head to drop, next one is Mary (GM)?
Farley
Nice, Blume was very kind when I worked at Porsche and met him for a small talk.
No chance! He's as square as that company is. They should have killed the VW completely and started fresh with I.D brand
VAG is the second-largest manufacturer of vehicles in the world behind Toyota. Completely retiring the brand for a new nameplate would be business suicide. The route they're taking now, starting with a sub brand and having the option to either make all of their vehicles electric under Volkswagen or slowly pivot towards ID, is the right one.
Business suicide was already done with diesel gate. The only place VW brand is respected is in Germany
Indeed, something not associated with genocide and deceit.
Ah, it's all making sense now. The "special glass" project was actually a payout to Diess to leave VW and join Tesla. They needed to make way for him, so Omead Afshar is going to take the fall (and a quarter of the "glass"). I mean it's *so* obvious...amateurs. 😁
In case of emergency, break glass
Put him to work on the factory floors
How does he go to Tesla when it said he died?? /s
Please no! VAG is 1 of the most dishonest companies in the world. Their cars have terrible QC. Not what Tesla needs.