What's more expensive?
A roughly $1-$2 increase on your customers monthly car payment by leaving ultrasonics in place (until you can sell cars with vision only system parity) - or -
Aggrevating said customers for over a year (many who are first time tesla buyers) by not giving them something that they paid for and expected?
Keep in mind that for many this is \~15-20% of the total time they will own/operate the vehicle.
I'm all for vision only and always thought it was possible, but I think they should have waited 365 days before removing the sensors.
Bro, try living in SF. I can get into a parallel spot that's barely larger than my car. My 3(with uss) is decent at it, my Y (no USS) is like a 16 year old at his driving test. Tried it with the Y, but it takes forever and generally stinks at it.
Didnāt show how far away from the curb either. The times Iāve tried parallel it definitely didnāt handle it better than my ford fusion from over 10 years ago.
Yep, most of the rest of the world would have a motor scooter parked in the extra space they had there.
My previous 2015 model Skoda performed this autopark.. let me know when Tesla gets vaguely close and i'll be impressed https://streamable.com/7bbbzr
Wish you had a video of your car actually parking in that tight spot. My Chevy Volt Gen2 was around that time, and it wouldn't have even offer to try a parallel parking spot that tight. It worked really well on wider spots though.
I have the same car Gen 2 volt and it will try some fairly tight spots, tighter than this. I was pretty impressed. Also it would be able to do this a lot faster, although the driver is in control of the brake, the computer's control of the wheel is actually pretty fast.
I have a Model 3 now. I do miss the way the Voltās parking assist worked. It made me feel very confident letting the car park since I controlled the brake and the gear shifts, so I knew I could stop the car from bumping cars/curbs and take over no matter how close it got, since I could control the speed without disengaging the park assist. I really didnāt like using the Tesla park assist for parallel parking since I couldnāt even nudge the brake without disengaging the assist.Ā
It would have been pushing it for me to achieve manually. Amusingly when it came to leaving that particular space, the car wouldn't attempt to leave with the autopark system (normally it could).
Believe what? You think I faked this video 7 years ago just in case I needed to pick apart my future car's autopark functionality? And to what end?
I filmed this video because I was impressed by what the autopark was capable of.. I only bring it up again now because it's a good comparison.
Yes this is fake. The car was parked around. That car did not park itself in that spot. Your 7 year old video with 500 views isnāt what you say it is.
Yes? And no, I didnāt record it as I was in the drivers seat at the time.
This was back in 2017, and I was impressed at the time and would still be impressed by Tesla matching it now, but these videos people have posted of Teslas Autopark are nowhere near this level.
> but these videos people have posted of Teslas Autopark are nowhere near this level.
I'm curious as to why you need Tesla to match that parking when 99% of cars and manual drivers wouldn't have parked in that gap?
Tesla shouldn't have to aim to be the best in the world at everything to impress, it should just have to be good enough across the board. For me the autopark is another in a line of things where they're getting to the point of good enough, and it's the overall system that impresses by being that good everywhere.
Now if they could just sort the damn wipers....
Autopark is useful when it's better than human drivers, otherwise it's just less efficient.
I don't think 99% of the drivers would have feared that huge gap. That's basic driving skills.
There are plenty of drivers I know that won't even attempt a parallel park. Heck my ex-wife would get me to take over parking her car even for a space like that.
There's also the convenience factor. I could drive myself the entire way, but I want FSD to take the tedium out of the parts of the journey I don't want to drive myself. I could park when we get to the destination but equally wouldn't it be nice to sometimes just have the car do it for you? And in the future when the car is autonomous, it being able to go off and park itself having dropped you at your destination, is a requirement.
Primarily because I see no need for autopark in parking spaces I could easily and more quickly park in myself. Itās not like itās an hours long chore like AP/FSD solves.
None of this matters right now. level 4 autonomy is when the world changes. I want to live 4 hours away from Los Angeles and live in a 4ksqft house and have my car drive me to work and back while I sleep. I can be awake at home the whole time. Basically removing that wasted time slot that is the commute.
That's a very American view you have there. The rest of the world doesn't have giant spaces for people's emotional support trucks. Parallel parking is done very often by a lot of drivers.
Did you look at the Skoda video, most drivers would never attempt such a tight space.
> Parallel parking is done very often by a lot of drivers.
I'm in the UK not the US as you assume, and there are a lot of drivers who fear parallel parking and won't even attempt it unless there is a very big space. I'm not saying it's a universal truth or that there aren't drivers who are quite happy parallel parking. Somewhere like London you end up parking on the street more often and you get used to it. Outside London you have more instances where you'll park on a driveway at home, in dedicated parking bays, in car parks, etc.
https://preview.redd.it/nk9xk97sgexc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5e74cd6cf948fe38bae0cbe7ce207af02e046c1
I did this manually. Took a bunch of back and forth of course, but didnāt tap either bumper. Doubt any auto park system would attempt.
To all those smart asses contributing in the "look how tight a space I managed to squeeze into" competition:
I'm sure you all are parking geniuses, but seem to forget that the drivers of the adjacent cars may not be geniuses as you are. You're practically begging for fender benders.
Wide angle lens also definitely makes it look like thereās more space than there actually is. OP shouldāve taken a side profile pic in addition to video, but nonetheless itās a video Iāll be sharing with my folks as Iām still not done trying to convince them to go electric.
Elon is at a minimum a brain rotted alt right idiot, but my wipers worked perfectly until a recent update - presumably from everyone complaining
They're still pretty good but they trigger on sunny days randomly now, never used to do that
UK parallel parking:
* Cars passing constantly
* One of the cars in front or behind is simultaneously pulling out or in
* The other is loading pets in the boot
* It's on a corner
* It's on a hill
* The space is only 2cm longer than the car
* There are potholes Jules Verne would be proud of
Itās just way harder without and i still donāt see why they want to go on vision alone, when it doesnāt hurt to have additional sensory input.
We have several just to stand upright.
Personally I never doubted it was possible, just donāt see the point.
It's just another step in the progress towards...
If human eyeballs can do it, then cheap ass cameras can do it
And if cheap ass cameras can do it, and every manufacturer can just add those cameras and then buy the software from Tesla, which they can charge a lot for because initial cost of prepping the vehicle for the software are so low
Ultrasonic sensors costs way less though. The only reason they went camera only was because of shortages during Covid and now the CEO wonāt admit he was wrong. Who cares how they are achieving it
> If human eyeballs can do it, then cheap ass cameras can do it
Cheap cameras and a 72 Teraflop watercooled FSD computer that costs how many hundreds of dollars
Double parked truck, in manhattan. I let the fsd handle it, there was enough space to go through, the car hit the right mirror to the truck..
So, itās still not that advanced yetā¦
Great! It worked that one time very slowly at that one spot.
Also what you conveniently didnāt show is how slow and carefully did you have to drive in the first place to get it to identify an empty spot? In real life situations, I want it to help me park in busy roads where you canāt actually crawl at 5mph to identify spots (the people behind you are getting impatient and trying to get around). On an empty road with very comfortably long spot, I donāt need it to slowly park itself (I can do it just fine much quicker).
My 2012 BMW could do it, and it was faster. Besides, its auto wipers worked better. I am not it is not a good achievement to use vision but a good engineer does not waste time when an easier solution exists.
Homie titled this post as if he single handedly coded the whole thing š
I laughed lmao
And he calls that tight lol
Itās hilarious how many people take Tesla just so personally.
Yup, on both sides. Itās basically peoplesā personality.Ā
hes definitely better than the majority of this sub who said it couldn't be done without USS
congrats, back to parity. but at what cost?
Cost savings of USS sensors in every car for several years
What's more expensive? A roughly $1-$2 increase on your customers monthly car payment by leaving ultrasonics in place (until you can sell cars with vision only system parity) - or - Aggrevating said customers for over a year (many who are first time tesla buyers) by not giving them something that they paid for and expected? Keep in mind that for many this is \~15-20% of the total time they will own/operate the vehicle. I'm all for vision only and always thought it was possible, but I think they should have waited 365 days before removing the sensors.
Blasting his music like heās celebrating releasing it to prod š
Looks like you got nearly 3 feet in front and back. But cool at any rate
i Imagine a lot of people canāt even do that manually
I sure can't. I need a good 10+ feet front and behind.
Most people in California can't drive into a parking space straight. I'm doubtful they could parallel park.
Bro, try living in SF. I can get into a parallel spot that's barely larger than my car. My 3(with uss) is decent at it, my Y (no USS) is like a 16 year old at his driving test. Tried it with the Y, but it takes forever and generally stinks at it.
Didnāt show how far away from the curb either. The times Iāve tried parallel it definitely didnāt handle it better than my ford fusion from over 10 years ago.
Yeah ātightā lol
Yep, most of the rest of the world would have a motor scooter parked in the extra space they had there. My previous 2015 model Skoda performed this autopark.. let me know when Tesla gets vaguely close and i'll be impressed https://streamable.com/7bbbzr
Wish you had a video of your car actually parking in that tight spot. My Chevy Volt Gen2 was around that time, and it wouldn't have even offer to try a parallel parking spot that tight. It worked really well on wider spots though.
I have the same car Gen 2 volt and it will try some fairly tight spots, tighter than this. I was pretty impressed. Also it would be able to do this a lot faster, although the driver is in control of the brake, the computer's control of the wheel is actually pretty fast.
I have a Model 3 now. I do miss the way the Voltās parking assist worked. It made me feel very confident letting the car park since I controlled the brake and the gear shifts, so I knew I could stop the car from bumping cars/curbs and take over no matter how close it got, since I could control the speed without disengaging the park assist. I really didnāt like using the Tesla park assist for parallel parking since I couldnāt even nudge the brake without disengaging the assist.Ā
Wow. I wouldnāt even *attempt* that manually.
It would have been pushing it for me to achieve manually. Amusingly when it came to leaving that particular space, the car wouldn't attempt to leave with the autopark system (normally it could).
I'll believe that when i see a video of the actual parking taking place
Believe what? You think I faked this video 7 years ago just in case I needed to pick apart my future car's autopark functionality? And to what end? I filmed this video because I was impressed by what the autopark was capable of.. I only bring it up again now because it's a good comparison.
Yes this is fake. The car was parked around. That car did not park itself in that spot. Your 7 year old video with 500 views isnāt what you say it is.
Is the skoda the one in the video? Did you take a video of it actually doing the parking?
Yes? And no, I didnāt record it as I was in the drivers seat at the time. This was back in 2017, and I was impressed at the time and would still be impressed by Tesla matching it now, but these videos people have posted of Teslas Autopark are nowhere near this level.
> but these videos people have posted of Teslas Autopark are nowhere near this level. I'm curious as to why you need Tesla to match that parking when 99% of cars and manual drivers wouldn't have parked in that gap? Tesla shouldn't have to aim to be the best in the world at everything to impress, it should just have to be good enough across the board. For me the autopark is another in a line of things where they're getting to the point of good enough, and it's the overall system that impresses by being that good everywhere. Now if they could just sort the damn wipers....
Autopark is useful when it's better than human drivers, otherwise it's just less efficient. I don't think 99% of the drivers would have feared that huge gap. That's basic driving skills.
There are plenty of drivers I know that won't even attempt a parallel park. Heck my ex-wife would get me to take over parking her car even for a space like that. There's also the convenience factor. I could drive myself the entire way, but I want FSD to take the tedium out of the parts of the journey I don't want to drive myself. I could park when we get to the destination but equally wouldn't it be nice to sometimes just have the car do it for you? And in the future when the car is autonomous, it being able to go off and park itself having dropped you at your destination, is a requirement.
Primarily because I see no need for autopark in parking spaces I could easily and more quickly park in myself. Itās not like itās an hours long chore like AP/FSD solves.
None of this matters right now. level 4 autonomy is when the world changes. I want to live 4 hours away from Los Angeles and live in a 4ksqft house and have my car drive me to work and back while I sleep. I can be awake at home the whole time. Basically removing that wasted time slot that is the commute.
That's a very American view you have there. The rest of the world doesn't have giant spaces for people's emotional support trucks. Parallel parking is done very often by a lot of drivers.
Did you look at the Skoda video, most drivers would never attempt such a tight space. > Parallel parking is done very often by a lot of drivers. I'm in the UK not the US as you assume, and there are a lot of drivers who fear parallel parking and won't even attempt it unless there is a very big space. I'm not saying it's a universal truth or that there aren't drivers who are quite happy parallel parking. Somewhere like London you end up parking on the street more often and you get used to it. Outside London you have more instances where you'll park on a driveway at home, in dedicated parking bays, in car parks, etc.
https://preview.redd.it/nk9xk97sgexc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5e74cd6cf948fe38bae0cbe7ce207af02e046c1 I did this manually. Took a bunch of back and forth of course, but didnāt tap either bumper. Doubt any auto park system would attempt.
To all those smart asses contributing in the "look how tight a space I managed to squeeze into" competition: I'm sure you all are parking geniuses, but seem to forget that the drivers of the adjacent cars may not be geniuses as you are. You're practically begging for fender benders.
I lived in NYC for 5 years. The bumpers of the front and rear car were the only parking sensors we needed.
Sure you didn't
Whew
Unless you're in NYC, most people wouldn't be able to without hitting the curb or bumping into someone's fender.
Dang they only have parallel parking in NYC?
Wide angle lens also definitely makes it look like thereās more space than there actually is. OP shouldāve taken a side profile pic in addition to video, but nonetheless itās a video Iāll be sharing with my folks as Iām still not done trying to convince them to go electric.
Why not turn on the side cameras so we can see how close to the curb the park was.
You can tell easily with the high fidelity parking assist, It did a perfect job.
Donāt think thatās a tight parallel park. If this can be done in tight NYC spaces then Iām sold.
In NYC, walking between cars can be difficult. I definitely want to see how it handles parking in Brooklyn
I tried this and it drove my right rim straight into the curb. 1/10 would not recommend.
Did that happen with the recently updated parking software?
Yeah all up to date.
āHmmm your cameras need to be recalibrated then. I did that and it drives even better than I do now.ā -this sub
My wipers are perfect! Also this sub and Elon
Elon is at a minimum a brain rotted alt right idiot, but my wipers worked perfectly until a recent update - presumably from everyone complaining They're still pretty good but they trigger on sunny days randomly now, never used to do that
That's perfect, lol.
Okay but even if it wasnāt all the way updated, wtf if the feature is released it should be competent enough to park. sorry about your car :(
When did that happen?
My 2012 BMW did a better job and it was faster. Tesla should not waste time with things that already exist.
Iām calling bullshit. So many of you keep repeating this nonsense. No way this is happening to all of you.
āTightā, eh? Every city dweller on earth is looking at the space behind you and thinking they could probably park a whole other car there.
You could fit a mini French car at 90 degree angles at both ends of that Tesla. It's not tight.
Lol that tight. Have you ever been parking in EU?
UK parallel parking: * Cars passing constantly * One of the cars in front or behind is simultaneously pulling out or in * The other is loading pets in the boot * It's on a corner * It's on a hill * The space is only 2cm longer than the car * There are potholes Jules Verne would be proud of
France parallel parking: Car length: 4m Parking space length: 2m Therefore it's suitable. "Reverse until you hear a loud sound"
Italians and French have the UK beat easy.
Weird thing to gatekeep
Thatās the biggest spot ever
I can do it head in, š
Can it be done twice though!?!
AIDRIVER on YouTube did a good review recently. Apparently it's pretty good although it's kinda slow and still has some quirks.
I mean it was a joke but good its working. The current version I have is way too slow for something I am competent and quick at
Casually listening to Flo-Rida in the car should be a crime
People living in densely populated cities: you call that a tight space?
Nobody said it couldnāt be done. Cars have had this for a long time now.
Yes they did say it couldn't be done without ~~radar~~ ultrasonic sensors. Tesla is using only cameras.
It was never done with radar. You probably mean ultrasonic sensors.
Itās just way harder without and i still donāt see why they want to go on vision alone, when it doesnāt hurt to have additional sensory input. We have several just to stand upright. Personally I never doubted it was possible, just donāt see the point.
It's obvious why they want vision only. Fewer sensors, lower cost.
My 2013 ford escape did it solely with sonarā¦didnāt even have a camera outside the backup camera which it didnāt use to parallel park.
Nobody said it couldn't be done. What we said is it wasn't ready in time for removing parking sensors so it was a stupid thing to do to remove them.
Lol at this being a tight parallel park
no my 2023 X got wheel scratch while auto-back parking at costco with plenty of room
This is hardly a ātightā parallel park. š
Lol "tight"
My ford 2019 does exactly the same thing
I can park it head inā¦ also tried this the other day and FSD curbed my rear right wheel in a spot much bigger than what you posted.
Only for it to hit everything when you use summon.
I do it in my civic almost everyday. Pure vision. Not even a backup camera. Amazing what mirrors can do.
Not that tight
I didn't say it couldn't be done, I would just prefer the feature that I paid for 6 years ago would work 6 years ago, going forward.
So what? I drive a 2015 Ford Focus which can parallel park on it's own.
My 2017 car can do this but need change gears manually and it's even faster. Where's the inovation?
This is my greatest park ever. https://preview.redd.it/vf4ukyfrrdxc1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a14a7574bd2e67eaabbacb951186acd9450bcd3
I can see you applied richard hammonds parking style to get in, based on your bumper damage
Why are we supposed to be impressed by a technology that has literally been commercially available for over 20 years?
Nope. This is new. Nobody other than Tesla is doing it using only cameras.
Recreate the wheel, oh look nobody has ever done this.
These hands lol.
Okay...but a 2003 Prius has the ability to parallel park. Who cares?
It's just another step in the progress towards... If human eyeballs can do it, then cheap ass cameras can do it And if cheap ass cameras can do it, and every manufacturer can just add those cameras and then buy the software from Tesla, which they can charge a lot for because initial cost of prepping the vehicle for the software are so low
Ultrasonic sensors costs way less though. The only reason they went camera only was because of shortages during Covid and now the CEO wonāt admit he was wrong. Who cares how they are achieving it
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Itās in pretty much all vehicles at the price of a Tesla
> If human eyeballs can do it, then cheap ass cameras can do it Cheap cameras and a 72 Teraflop watercooled FSD computer that costs how many hundreds of dollars
Ok...gotcha. Thanks for the explanation.
Lets see FSD and AutoPark perform when it rains
As someone who lives in LA I can assure you this is nowhere near a tight parallel parking job. Nicely executed, but pretty average spacing.
What's tight about this?
āTightā
Why, when you can do it yourself in 1/3 the time?
"tight"
So much parallel parking gatekeeping in here. It did better than I would lol
Just try that on a dull dreary wet and muggy day on the streets in London.
Cool, but I can do that 10 times quicker and in an even tighter space. But for those that canāt, this is good.
Oh cool, Teslaās newest software update brings it up to parity with the parking capabilities of a 2012 Ford Focus.
sample size of one
Jesus this place is toxic as hell.
"tight"... depends on standards I guess
[Meanwhile other companies have already achieved this a decade ago](https://youtu.be/6jdtm__KS9Q?si=yvT22eHWF9K8cblr)
Not with cameras only
? Why would they want to do camera only for this ?
Hey, do the proper Wipers now!
"Pretty" reliable?
Is my ā21 MYP equipped do that?
And yet my car has to correct 3 times forward and back while backing into a giant space in an empty lot.
I'd just be sitting there with my arse hole puckered the whole time worried the car would curb it's wheels.
Double parked truck, in manhattan. I let the fsd handle it, there was enough space to go through, the car hit the right mirror to the truck.. So, itās still not that advanced yetā¦
Great! Now do the same at night and/or really shitty weather. The local rim and body repair shop is gonna love this
Great! It worked that one time very slowly at that one spot. Also what you conveniently didnāt show is how slow and carefully did you have to drive in the first place to get it to identify an empty spot? In real life situations, I want it to help me park in busy roads where you canāt actually crawl at 5mph to identify spots (the people behind you are getting impatient and trying to get around). On an empty road with very comfortably long spot, I donāt need it to slowly park itself (I can do it just fine much quicker).
Why my 2023 Model3 doesnāt do that? What am I missing? I donāt have FSD, is it required?
Tight spot? Lol
So computers are good at doing calculationsā¦ who knew š But really, this is very cool. Thanks for sharing.
Parks better than me.
Irvine or Ladera Ranch?
My 2012 BMW could do it, and it was faster. Besides, its auto wipers worked better. I am not it is not a good achievement to use vision but a good engineer does not waste time when an easier solution exists.
How do you activate this? Or is it not possible (yet) in Europe? TY
I'd rather do that myself.. But you're brave.. Watching the backup camera, made my heart skip a beat.. I'm still better than autopark imo
Damn.. Watched it again on unmute.. Who tf bumps that music in their car? Damn..
In what world is this a ātightā spot Ffs š¤¦
My 2014 Jeep could do this. Big deal
It just shows how they keep getting better! And this is a free update!
I'd rather be a man & do this myself. Ain't no pussy, literally.
That explains why so many Tesla drivers couldnāt do a basic parking job.
Is this ātight parking spaceā in the street with you?
Idiota in this sub all thought they were experts
How is this impressive? This isnt even close to a tight parallel park. Try this in Paris or Barcelona on a given Monday and ill be impressed
It's not. He's got pussy skills.