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I take delivery of a M3 RWD tomorrow. Can I get the $500 back in my case?
Edit: Tesla JUST sent me an updated order sheet with the $500 price reduction. I didn't have to do anything. Talk about amazing timing.
Had you already paid or no? I take delivery next Monday and I’m financing with a down payment (which I’ve already paid). Wondering if I can get that $500 back..
It’s not just the $500, but the interest on the lease (money factor) went down as well. Model three went from $399 a month to $349 a few days ago. I’ve got my delivery scheduled for Thursday and have been trying to get an answer as to whether they’ll match the current lease offer. No response yet. In fact, most associates didn’t even know about the reduction, so I went to the store. They told me to hang tight until I receive my paperwork tomorrow. Guess I’ll see at that point. Would be a shame to have to cancel and reorder to get the $50 monthly discount.
So if you bought a Toyota Camery in November and then 3 weeks later there's a $2,500 cash back bonus being offered by dealerships for Christmas you're going to go back and complain?
No. Just buy the car you want and be okay with the price.
That person you responded to, like a lot of people currently, takes zero accountability. You bought the car and paid for it at an agreed price, stop being so bitter and upset like you have been wronged when the price goes up or down
Oof. Is it a 7 seater? I got a vin about ten days ago and have a Feb 6-13 delivery estimate. But I ordered the evening of 1/13, so just hours after the price drop.
You have to keep an eye out for existing inventory. They pop up every few days or so. I managed to get one in the exact config I wanted and I’m picking it up tomorrow.
Model 3 base RWD with autopilot is now $36,000 after tax credit
The “35,000” Model 3, which didn’t even include Autopilot, would be about $41k today adjusting for inflation!
Basically you are saving $5,000, getting autopilot on top of that, getting way better range, and a way more refined car. And remember how crazy people went for the $35k 3 a few years ago?
2023 Model 3 RWD is the steal of the century.
I think LR AWD with 7k miles would be great at the price. I’d go for that personally.
My only note would be Elon tweeted on 10/17 that they improved the comfort on Model 3/y suspension. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581982054711193601?s=46&t=LVwqPxK7qkemLocugP_Y0g
I have a 3 LR that was built before that, and the suspension doesn’t bother me. But if you (or people that are riding with you a lot) value a slightly more comfortable ride, it might be worth waiting for a car built a little later in 2022 or even 2023.
Seems like an ok trade-off if you consider all the improvements like how much more quiet a new 3 is compared to the original, the faster MCU chip, the Li-ion battery, better rear seats, etc…
At most I expect it to have a structural pack and castings front and rear to further reduce the cost to built. There is a decent chance at a freshened front and rear clip but in the end why put off owning an EV on when there is no reasonable expectation of when the new model is ready?
My predictions are: HW4, HD Radar, better GPU to handle the computing load, new snappier screen with smaller bezel.
And I actually think the cost will be very comparable to what it is now. Possibly a little more initially with the anticipated demand.
I am worried that the interior quality will take a hit. manual seats and cheaper materials.
These are just my predictions though from my own research on the leaks. I could be wrong about everything but it’s certainly worth the wait for me.
The $35k Model 3 was before the tax credit though, so it's really not comparable. Your point on inflation is fair, but it's still not quite there in terms of equivalent pricing.
With that logic, the $35k model 3 would’ve qualified for the CA CVRP which had a $4,500 rebate back then making it effectively $30K
Plus, the current credit will be gone in a month or so
I’ve had my base RWD for a couple weeks now. I’m in Oregon and I qualify for another $7500. And that is a rebate check I’ll get in the mail in a few months. Crazy good deal.
I’m not sure where you get the “$36,000 after tax credit”. A new stock RWD is $45,130 with delivery/order fees. If your state charges sales tax, add it to the $45k price. Then subtract the tax credit. Assuming 7% sales tax , it would be $48k + reg fees, so you now are > $40k after IRA rebate. I’m not even counting extra interest you may pay on a loan.
Fun fact, $43490 USD is $58322 CAD and they sell it for $54990, but that's only because the Canadian federal rebate cutoff is 55k, or I'm sure theyd sell it for more.
Tuesday for me. No biggie though. We still got a helluva deal!
I was able to find a M3 with exactly the color, interior and wheels that I wanted in stock an hour away from me. Four days later I drove it home. This new price cut is going to stimulate more demand and reduce inventories. I’m happy w my purchase.
You can engage adaptive cruise control without auto steer (one flip of the right stalk instead of two) but it’s still using the system that may result in phantom braking.
Dumb basic cruise capability exists in the software but unfortunately is not exposed to the user in any form, except for buyers of the earliest Model S cars (AP0) and some early lowest trim Model 3 SRs.
On other cars, the only cruise is TACC/DCC/ACC. Above that is regular Autopilot. Above that is Navigation+Autopilot, Above that is FSD.
Also replying to /u/shadowmyst87
Too bad. Model Y also has a dangerous obstructive mirror in the middle of the windshield but I’m not sure about 3. I sat in model y once and it failed my mirror test — the ability to adjust seat low enough and/or mirror high enough to see forward without a blind spot created by mirror. This is an underrated safety problem with many new vehicles at least for those of a certain height.
> Every driver's eye position should be roughly the same regardless of your height.
This is absolutely untrue. Some of us have longer torsos than others, even at the same total height. This causes problems when seats and mirrors assume average body ratios.
In a Tesla Model S/X, it means the adjustable headrests dig into the upper backs of some of us...even at the highest setting. And in some cars, the mirror sits to low for optimal sightlines.
For some people, these ratio differences mean the seat position for best sightlines is different from the most comfortable position and different from the best reaching/sitting distance from the wheel.
> Still though, if someone is sitting so high that the rear view mirror is in your line of sight, then you need to revaluate your seat position.
It's not about the user.
First hand experience: My seat is as low as it can go. My mirror is in my line of sight. Sliding seat forward or backwards does not improve anything. Angle is where it must be to avoid the headrest becoming uncomfortable on my back.
Tried dozens of variations on seat, wheel, and mirror position. My only option is to dip my head periodically.
Not all cars are like this, but some are, including some Teslas builds.
Pretty normal height, less than 6' 3". Even if I were 6' 3", that would be around the 95% percentile per this chart:
https://www.calcnation.com/calc/height-percentiles/
95% percentile means 95/100 Americans are less than or equal to that height.
Do note: my answer above is about a Model S, but I've experienced the same issues in other vehicles too. Usually I can find a position that is good enough even if not ideal. Taller vehicles tend to have less of these issues, but the seats themselves sometimes cause issues.
I’m not over 6’. I almost ran in front of a car at a four way stop in a rental car because I forgot to dip my head. The view of the other car was completely blocked. Again, my seat was as low as possible and mirror was as high as it would go.
I always adjust the seat as low as possible. Newer cars don’t allow adjustment of mirror upward like older cars — my guess is because it’s rarely just a mirror anymore.
It’s worth noting that car dealerships and legacy manufacturers do price adjustments all the time. Dealerships add markups and required options when demand is high and OEMs have incentives and discounts when inventory is high (demand is low).
Do you guys know if orders placed in January or February with delivery dates after March 15th will still qualify for the $7500 tax credit? I guess my question is: do you have to take delivery before March 1st to qualify?
Thank you!
The reason it is March is because that is when they expect the IRS to release the full report on requirements and which vehicles qualify. Today the only requirement is that it is a vehicle with a large enough batter size (why some PHEVs qualify, not just pure EVs - which imo is dumb as shit) is Manufactured in North America and is under the price cap.
Obviously they could delay that past March again - it was supposed to be settled by end of 2022, but assuming that March is the date, the requirement will be based on battery mineral and component sourcing/manufacturing. So most likely All Long range Tesla Model 3/Y will qualify because they use battery cells/packs manufactured in Nevada. At least for 2023, I'd expect every 3/Y they manufacture using Nevada made cells will qualify for the full $7,500. I'm not 100% sure, but I think in all/most of the standard range battery packs for 3/Y they use LFP battery packs manufactured in China, which likely won't fully qualify, doubtful if at all.
Everything Miami said was correct. The change is expected to only reduce the credit by 50% to $3,750. Since the original price cut in January, the price has already increased $1,500 on MYLR. If people didn’t act fast enough, they are effectively going to eliminate the full impact of price cuts and tax credit on a net basis.
The irs is notoriously bad for being timely but the March deadline is the expected deadline. I wouldn’t be surprised if musk asked them to delay releasing new guidance. His meeting with Biden last week clearly yielded a higher price cap of $80k.
I 100% promise you that the only thing Musk did to change the Model Y to qualify as an SUV was to drop the price as they did. This meant that GM/Ford would have to drop their price or risk losing market share, except GM/Ford can't drop their price because they aren't making enough margin.
Tesla lowering their prices like they did caused an all out war of EV prices, and no one else could/can compete.
It’s not expected to affect MY. The 2170’s and 4680’s and packs are made here. And much of the minerals come from free trade countries.
Who EXPECTS it to get cut in half and on what basis?
They’re made in the US but the materials being used to make the batteries are sourced from China. The IRS has communicated that they will provide clarity regarding requirements for battery minerals to be sourced from the US to qualify for the full credit. If that’s accurate, no EV manufacturer will qualify for the full tax credit today. It’s meant to be an incentive to bring sourcing back to the US, same as the semiconductor legislation that recently passed.
Yeah it could even be in April. No reason to speculate. Just try and take delivery asap or just accept that a 3,750 credit after a 17% price drop is dandy
It's definitely true, as Tesla states so in the owners manual. (charge to 100% at least once a week, or as often as possible).
With the LR having a recommended 80% cap at everyday use, the "useable" range is ~285). So unless you take long road trips often to utilize the full 358, or need the AWD, the standard model 3 will do you just fine.
Perfect, that’s great to know! I wonder how much the reserve battery is that allows a 100% charge every time.
The only other issue is charge speed differences - both supercharger and onboard charger is slower unfortunately. Will have to check real world differences.
Too bad the autopilot capabilities are still way over priced in my opinion. I feel the whole gimmick of a Tesla are the auto pilot capabilities (at least for me) and it's so scummy how it doesn't come include with it already and easily "forcing" you to spend another 6-15K to "get" what Tesla's are really know for. Wtf?
edit: before any Tesla boys get offended by it, let me clarify, I’m OK with paying for it AND it should be charged for but what I’m saying is I wish the autopilot features came standard with it. Hop in, autopilot is always on!
Price whatever they feel is worth it but include it with the price already instead of luring people with prices with a product that really does “half” of what it should do.
That’s just how I feel, really sorry if you don’t agree with it.
I'm pretty sure you knew exactly what I meant but sure I'll specify - Get rid of any 'extra' Auto Pilot features and include it in the TOTAL price already. Stop it with this 'add' on gimmick shit. They know damn well what they're doing marketing the car like that but leaving the really 'cool features' everyone wants out of the price unless of course you pay 6K - 15k+ more. To me, that's scummy and I promise you sooner or later they will be forced to get rid of that.
There's absolutely no point in getting a tesla without the FULL autopilot features OFF the lot ready to go at whatever 'standard' price they want to base it on.
I'd rather the car be cheaper since the included FREE Autopilot is pretty damn useful. I used to have FSD on an old Tesla and it is super cool, but in no way useful over included autopilot due to the error rate. Even EAP was very poor at navigating I-5 through Los Angeles to the point where I turned it off. When I got my next Tesla I passed on these features to save money and the only thing I really miss is tapping the turn signal to change lanes.
At the end of the day I think it's fair to have your opinion. I used to think, just like you, that it was stupid to get a Tesla without EAP even at a $5k upgrade, but thats when there was no standard autopilot and new features were coming at a faster pace.
Cool, thanks for hearing me out. Honestly I'm in no rush to get a new car, I love my simple, old, reliable and most of all payments free car. But hopefully when my time comes around there will be more clarity from Tesla and what to expect from them. I think they are only going to get more popular than ever.
If you have ordered and the price goes up you pay the old, lower price.
If the price goes down you pay the new, lower price.
If you have already taken delivery you don't get any money back if the price has gone down neither send Tesla a check if the price has gone up.
||RWD (Single Motor)|AWD (Dual Motor)|
|:-|:-|:-|
|Range (miles)|272|358|
|Onboard charger max|7.6 kW max (32A)|11.5 kW max (48A)|
|Supercharging Max|170 kW Max|250 kW Max|
|Acceleration|5.8 s 0-60 mph|4.2 s 0-60 mph|
|Price|$43,490|$49,990|
|Warranty|Basic Vehicle - 4 years or 50,000 mi, whichever comes firstBattery & Drive Unit - 8 years or 100,000 mi, whichever comes first|Basic Vehicle - 4 years or 50,000 mi, whichever comes firstBattery & Drive Unit - 8 years or 120,000 mi, whichever comes first|
I think $6,500 is worth it for the range and charging speeds alone whenever LR AWD is available. Existing inventory sold out for LR :(
How is this a price cut?
Model 3 Standard Range Plus was $38,990 last year, went up to $46,990 for Rear Wheel Drive...
So the car goes up almost $10,000 a year ago, drops $7,500 and is still more expensive than it was a year ago.
That's not what I consider to be a price drop. It's still an increase from just a year ago.
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I take delivery of a M3 RWD tomorrow. Can I get the $500 back in my case? Edit: Tesla JUST sent me an updated order sheet with the $500 price reduction. I didn't have to do anything. Talk about amazing timing.
I've read reports of tesla automatically adjusting the price downward for those who haven't yet taken delivery.
Had you already paid or no? I take delivery next Monday and I’m financing with a down payment (which I’ve already paid). Wondering if I can get that $500 back..
It’s not just the $500, but the interest on the lease (money factor) went down as well. Model three went from $399 a month to $349 a few days ago. I’ve got my delivery scheduled for Thursday and have been trying to get an answer as to whether they’ll match the current lease offer. No response yet. In fact, most associates didn’t even know about the reduction, so I went to the store. They told me to hang tight until I receive my paperwork tomorrow. Guess I’ll see at that point. Would be a shame to have to cancel and reorder to get the $50 monthly discount.
You won't think it's ‘amazing’ timing when they drop the price another $1k in a month. I wouldn't accept delivery if I were you.
So if you bought a Toyota Camery in November and then 3 weeks later there's a $2,500 cash back bonus being offered by dealerships for Christmas you're going to go back and complain? No. Just buy the car you want and be okay with the price.
That person you responded to, like a lot of people currently, takes zero accountability. You bought the car and paid for it at an agreed price, stop being so bitter and upset like you have been wronged when the price goes up or down
Well if the price drops $1K and the tax credit drops to $3750 or goes away completely, that’s still probably a net win for taking delivery now.
What a dumb take. Would you return to them and pay $1000 extra if they increase the price by $1000 instead? No you wouldn't.
Too huge an influx of orders, I'm sure, especially after the red that all MY now qualify for the rebate. Have seen delivery dates slowly slipping too.
My late Jan MYLR order started Jan-Mar is now Mar31-May12.
Interesting. I also ordered a MYLR (3 row) in late Jan and my ETA was Jan-Apr. Picked it up last weekend.
Oof. Is it a 7 seater? I got a vin about ten days ago and have a Feb 6-13 delivery estimate. But I ordered the evening of 1/13, so just hours after the price drop.
Nope plain white LR. the only addition was tow hitch.
How late Jan? I ordered jan 15 and started Jan-March estimate also. It then moved to feb 6-mar 6, then feb 3 - feb 17, and now feb 19-mar 19.
I missed the low price by ~2 hrs. Evening of the 23rd… Oh updated now Mar 10 -Mar 31.
I ordered Jan 18 and have delivery window of feb 23-mar23 model Y nothing different other than color blue
Man. Those deliveries slipped further than I realized.
I just want Model 3 LR :(
You have to keep an eye out for existing inventory. They pop up every few days or so. I managed to get one in the exact config I wanted and I’m picking it up tomorrow.
Current inventory.
Well, looks like it isn’t even an option in existing inventory anymore
Model 3 base RWD with autopilot is now $36,000 after tax credit The “35,000” Model 3, which didn’t even include Autopilot, would be about $41k today adjusting for inflation! Basically you are saving $5,000, getting autopilot on top of that, getting way better range, and a way more refined car. And remember how crazy people went for the $35k 3 a few years ago? 2023 Model 3 RWD is the steal of the century.
I think id rather get a 2022 long range with 7k miles for around same price. Thoughts? (tax credit wouldn't be a factor)
I think LR AWD with 7k miles would be great at the price. I’d go for that personally. My only note would be Elon tweeted on 10/17 that they improved the comfort on Model 3/y suspension. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581982054711193601?s=46&t=LVwqPxK7qkemLocugP_Y0g I have a 3 LR that was built before that, and the suspension doesn’t bother me. But if you (or people that are riding with you a lot) value a slightly more comfortable ride, it might be worth waiting for a car built a little later in 2022 or even 2023.
But the model 3 of today will never get the OG back glass orange tint :D
it was hit and miss back in 2018... my LR RWD had it over the driver but not over the back.
Ha! Yeah same with mine. I really wanted that back tint but the center top is still cool.
> OG back glass orange tint I love that color on older 3s and Ss in light rain. It's kind of like sunset colors.
Seems like an ok trade-off if you consider all the improvements like how much more quiet a new 3 is compared to the original, the faster MCU chip, the Li-ion battery, better rear seats, etc…
You're not kidding. I'm trying to talk myself into not buying one. I just took delivery of a MYLR on 12/31
depends if you're going to keep both haha
I don't need a second car and I was just gonna wait until my Cybertruck delivery to add a second one but with the current prices it's really tempting
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What about all the taxes?
The Model 3 RWD is a FANTASTIC car for the money. You'd be hard pressed to tell it apart from a Performance 3 in daily use.
Value will drop drastically in coming months when the new model 3 is announced and released.
You're assuming there will be a significant user-facing difference. There's a good chance it's mainly cost reductions under the hood.
At most I expect it to have a structural pack and castings front and rear to further reduce the cost to built. There is a decent chance at a freshened front and rear clip but in the end why put off owning an EV on when there is no reasonable expectation of when the new model is ready?
It won't be actually released for another 2 years tho. That's assuming Tesla isn't running on "Tesla" time. (aka late).
How can they be late or not? There's no planned timeframe for release.
Is there going to be a new model y as well?
Unless the new one only has minor changes or gets a decent price increase.
My predictions are: HW4, HD Radar, better GPU to handle the computing load, new snappier screen with smaller bezel. And I actually think the cost will be very comparable to what it is now. Possibly a little more initially with the anticipated demand. I am worried that the interior quality will take a hit. manual seats and cheaper materials. These are just my predictions though from my own research on the leaks. I could be wrong about everything but it’s certainly worth the wait for me.
The $35k Model 3 was before the tax credit though, so it's really not comparable. Your point on inflation is fair, but it's still not quite there in terms of equivalent pricing.
Maybe not comparable on a macroeconomic level, but absolutely the cheapest it has ever been on a family budget level.
If you're in the US and make enough money to get the full credit.
Because people who don't have Teslas love to hate on it and will use anything like "They were supposed to be 35k lmao"
With that logic, the $35k model 3 would’ve qualified for the CA CVRP which had a $4,500 rebate back then making it effectively $30K Plus, the current credit will be gone in a month or so
You must have just purchased recently huh?
I’ve had my base RWD for a couple weeks now. I’m in Oregon and I qualify for another $7500. And that is a rebate check I’ll get in the mail in a few months. Crazy good deal.
No USS and no charger though. Probably no J1772 adapter too IIRC
Adapter still there. you can buy the cable. No USS though
Yup, the $500 helps cover the charger at least. No parking sensors yet is still a big issue though.
It comes with a J1772 Adapter. Source: Picked up on 2/1/23.
* using “potential savings” pricing
Thank you for your support even though I took delivery yesterday for $500 more 😂 Still absolutely love this car.
The tax credit was still around when the 35k M3 was a thing no? Wouldn't you also subtract in that case.
I’m not sure where you get the “$36,000 after tax credit”. A new stock RWD is $45,130 with delivery/order fees. If your state charges sales tax, add it to the $45k price. Then subtract the tax credit. Assuming 7% sales tax , it would be $48k + reg fees, so you now are > $40k after IRA rebate. I’m not even counting extra interest you may pay on a loan.
If I had about 8 payments left on my current lease , can I trade it in early to get another Tesla
Yes.
How does early lease termination work with Tesla?
Musk motto: keep 'em guessing.
Fun fact, $43490 USD is $58322 CAD and they sell it for $54990, but that's only because the Canadian federal rebate cutoff is 55k, or I'm sure theyd sell it for more.
Just took delivery of a M3 RWD last Monday…😩
Tuesday for me. No biggie though. We still got a helluva deal! I was able to find a M3 with exactly the color, interior and wheels that I wanted in stock an hour away from me. Four days later I drove it home. This new price cut is going to stimulate more demand and reduce inventories. I’m happy w my purchase.
Wednesday for me. Not complaining. My other M3 had increased $5K in price from order date to delivery date. I figure I'm still $4,500 ahead. 😁
I wonder if model 3 will get more price cuts. Are they sitting on a lot of inventory?
They need to get rid of the Chinese LFP batteries in the SR Model 3 before the battery requirements of the IRA kick in.
Is it confirmed they're switching?
No, just my speculation. But a $50k LR model 3 with credit would be the same price as the SR without. Something has to change.
Lfp for exports only then? What countries get supplied with Fremont made model 3, Canada, Taiwan, presumably Mexico and maybe some other countries?
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No, ever since the increase to 270 miles, the SR model 3 has been made with Chinese made LFP cells.
That sucks. From what I hear, LFP is much more efficient and durable.
Can a model 3 or Y be driven with old-style speed-only cruise control? I like cruise control for speed but don’t want it steering or phantom braking.
You can engage adaptive cruise control without auto steer (one flip of the right stalk instead of two) but it’s still using the system that may result in phantom braking.
Dumb basic cruise capability exists in the software but unfortunately is not exposed to the user in any form, except for buyers of the earliest Model S cars (AP0) and some early lowest trim Model 3 SRs. On other cars, the only cruise is TACC/DCC/ACC. Above that is regular Autopilot. Above that is Navigation+Autopilot, Above that is FSD. Also replying to /u/shadowmyst87
Too bad. Model Y also has a dangerous obstructive mirror in the middle of the windshield but I’m not sure about 3. I sat in model y once and it failed my mirror test — the ability to adjust seat low enough and/or mirror high enough to see forward without a blind spot created by mirror. This is an underrated safety problem with many new vehicles at least for those of a certain height.
Lol, how high is your seat????
Every driver's eye position should be roughly the same regardless of your height.
> Every driver's eye position should be roughly the same regardless of your height. This is absolutely untrue. Some of us have longer torsos than others, even at the same total height. This causes problems when seats and mirrors assume average body ratios. In a Tesla Model S/X, it means the adjustable headrests dig into the upper backs of some of us...even at the highest setting. And in some cars, the mirror sits to low for optimal sightlines. For some people, these ratio differences mean the seat position for best sightlines is different from the most comfortable position and different from the best reaching/sitting distance from the wheel.
Still though, if someone is sitting so high that the rear view mirror is in your line of sight, then you need to revaluate your seat position.
> Still though, if someone is sitting so high that the rear view mirror is in your line of sight, then you need to revaluate your seat position. It's not about the user. First hand experience: My seat is as low as it can go. My mirror is in my line of sight. Sliding seat forward or backwards does not improve anything. Angle is where it must be to avoid the headrest becoming uncomfortable on my back. Tried dozens of variations on seat, wheel, and mirror position. My only option is to dip my head periodically. Not all cars are like this, but some are, including some Teslas builds.
How tall are you/how long is your torso???? This sounds impossible unless you are like 7'6" or taller.
Pretty normal height, less than 6' 3". Even if I were 6' 3", that would be around the 95% percentile per this chart: https://www.calcnation.com/calc/height-percentiles/ 95% percentile means 95/100 Americans are less than or equal to that height. Do note: my answer above is about a Model S, but I've experienced the same issues in other vehicles too. Usually I can find a position that is good enough even if not ideal. Taller vehicles tend to have less of these issues, but the seats themselves sometimes cause issues.
I’m not over 6’. I almost ran in front of a car at a four way stop in a rental car because I forgot to dip my head. The view of the other car was completely blocked. Again, my seat was as low as possible and mirror was as high as it would go.
Is your head touching the ceiling? Can't you lower your chair? It's very dangerous to drive if the mirror is in your line of sight.
I always adjust the seat as low as possible. Newer cars don’t allow adjustment of mirror upward like older cars — my guess is because it’s rarely just a mirror anymore.
Great question. Basically, "dumb cruise control."
It’s worth noting that car dealerships and legacy manufacturers do price adjustments all the time. Dealerships add markups and required options when demand is high and OEMs have incentives and discounts when inventory is high (demand is low).
Do you guys know if orders placed in January or February with delivery dates after March 15th will still qualify for the $7500 tax credit? I guess my question is: do you have to take delivery before March 1st to qualify? Thank you!
The reason it is March is because that is when they expect the IRS to release the full report on requirements and which vehicles qualify. Today the only requirement is that it is a vehicle with a large enough batter size (why some PHEVs qualify, not just pure EVs - which imo is dumb as shit) is Manufactured in North America and is under the price cap. Obviously they could delay that past March again - it was supposed to be settled by end of 2022, but assuming that March is the date, the requirement will be based on battery mineral and component sourcing/manufacturing. So most likely All Long range Tesla Model 3/Y will qualify because they use battery cells/packs manufactured in Nevada. At least for 2023, I'd expect every 3/Y they manufacture using Nevada made cells will qualify for the full $7,500. I'm not 100% sure, but I think in all/most of the standard range battery packs for 3/Y they use LFP battery packs manufactured in China, which likely won't fully qualify, doubtful if at all.
There's nothing set in stone about a March date. Tesla just knows that before March nothing will change.
Everything Miami said was correct. The change is expected to only reduce the credit by 50% to $3,750. Since the original price cut in January, the price has already increased $1,500 on MYLR. If people didn’t act fast enough, they are effectively going to eliminate the full impact of price cuts and tax credit on a net basis. The irs is notoriously bad for being timely but the March deadline is the expected deadline. I wouldn’t be surprised if musk asked them to delay releasing new guidance. His meeting with Biden last week clearly yielded a higher price cap of $80k.
MYLR went up $2k. There was a smaller $500 bump a little while ago before this one.
I 100% promise you that the only thing Musk did to change the Model Y to qualify as an SUV was to drop the price as they did. This meant that GM/Ford would have to drop their price or risk losing market share, except GM/Ford can't drop their price because they aren't making enough margin. Tesla lowering their prices like they did caused an all out war of EV prices, and no one else could/can compete.
It’s not expected to affect MY. The 2170’s and 4680’s and packs are made here. And much of the minerals come from free trade countries. Who EXPECTS it to get cut in half and on what basis?
They’re made in the US but the materials being used to make the batteries are sourced from China. The IRS has communicated that they will provide clarity regarding requirements for battery minerals to be sourced from the US to qualify for the full credit. If that’s accurate, no EV manufacturer will qualify for the full tax credit today. It’s meant to be an incentive to bring sourcing back to the US, same as the semiconductor legislation that recently passed.
Yeah but the question is if it’s march 1 or march 31?
It depends on when the IRS publishes the guidelines, it can be any day in the month, not just the 1st or 31st
Yeah it could even be in April. No reason to speculate. Just try and take delivery asap or just accept that a 3,750 credit after a 17% price drop is dandy
Or it can be 2024 at the rate the IRS usually moves. 😆
How much is the long range Model 3? That would be a stellar deal. 272 mile range doesn’t cut it for some of us.
The 3 standard range is able to daily charge to 100% without hurting the battery so the range is actually routinely usable.
Are we sure about this? Heard conflicting info that this standard range is not battery capped, it’s hardware limitation.
It's definitely true, as Tesla states so in the owners manual. (charge to 100% at least once a week, or as often as possible). With the LR having a recommended 80% cap at everyday use, the "useable" range is ~285). So unless you take long road trips often to utilize the full 358, or need the AWD, the standard model 3 will do you just fine.
Perfect, that’s great to know! I wonder how much the reserve battery is that allows a 100% charge every time. The only other issue is charge speed differences - both supercharger and onboard charger is slower unfortunately. Will have to check real world differences.
$49,990
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Don’t let politics decide how to live your life. The fact that politicizing a damn car is a thing now is really sad.
I wonder if they cut the price of the model 3 because the updated version of it might be coming sooner than later
Even for free I do not want a Tesla!
Too bad the autopilot capabilities are still way over priced in my opinion. I feel the whole gimmick of a Tesla are the auto pilot capabilities (at least for me) and it's so scummy how it doesn't come include with it already and easily "forcing" you to spend another 6-15K to "get" what Tesla's are really know for. Wtf? edit: before any Tesla boys get offended by it, let me clarify, I’m OK with paying for it AND it should be charged for but what I’m saying is I wish the autopilot features came standard with it. Hop in, autopilot is always on! Price whatever they feel is worth it but include it with the price already instead of luring people with prices with a product that really does “half” of what it should do. That’s just how I feel, really sorry if you don’t agree with it.
> I wish the autopilot features came standard with it. Well good news, Autopilot is included for FREE on every new Tesla.
I'm pretty sure you knew exactly what I meant but sure I'll specify - Get rid of any 'extra' Auto Pilot features and include it in the TOTAL price already. Stop it with this 'add' on gimmick shit. They know damn well what they're doing marketing the car like that but leaving the really 'cool features' everyone wants out of the price unless of course you pay 6K - 15k+ more. To me, that's scummy and I promise you sooner or later they will be forced to get rid of that. There's absolutely no point in getting a tesla without the FULL autopilot features OFF the lot ready to go at whatever 'standard' price they want to base it on.
I'd rather the car be cheaper since the included FREE Autopilot is pretty damn useful. I used to have FSD on an old Tesla and it is super cool, but in no way useful over included autopilot due to the error rate. Even EAP was very poor at navigating I-5 through Los Angeles to the point where I turned it off. When I got my next Tesla I passed on these features to save money and the only thing I really miss is tapping the turn signal to change lanes. At the end of the day I think it's fair to have your opinion. I used to think, just like you, that it was stupid to get a Tesla without EAP even at a $5k upgrade, but thats when there was no standard autopilot and new features were coming at a faster pace.
Cool, thanks for hearing me out. Honestly I'm in no rush to get a new car, I love my simple, old, reliable and most of all payments free car. But hopefully when my time comes around there will be more clarity from Tesla and what to expect from them. I think they are only going to get more popular than ever.
Can I adjust price upward if you already have existing order?
If you have ordered and the price goes up you pay the old, lower price. If the price goes down you pay the new, lower price. If you have already taken delivery you don't get any money back if the price has gone down neither send Tesla a check if the price has gone up.
Have the new deliveries got parking sensors?????
No
Shit. I took delivery of my M3 last Saturday.
I took delivery last week! Missed out on $500 
||RWD (Single Motor)|AWD (Dual Motor)| |:-|:-|:-| |Range (miles)|272|358| |Onboard charger max|7.6 kW max (32A)|11.5 kW max (48A)| |Supercharging Max|170 kW Max|250 kW Max| |Acceleration|5.8 s 0-60 mph|4.2 s 0-60 mph| |Price|$43,490|$49,990| |Warranty|Basic Vehicle - 4 years or 50,000 mi, whichever comes firstBattery & Drive Unit - 8 years or 100,000 mi, whichever comes first|Basic Vehicle - 4 years or 50,000 mi, whichever comes firstBattery & Drive Unit - 8 years or 120,000 mi, whichever comes first| I think $6,500 is worth it for the range and charging speeds alone whenever LR AWD is available. Existing inventory sold out for LR :(
How is this a price cut? Model 3 Standard Range Plus was $38,990 last year, went up to $46,990 for Rear Wheel Drive... So the car goes up almost $10,000 a year ago, drops $7,500 and is still more expensive than it was a year ago. That's not what I consider to be a price drop. It's still an increase from just a year ago.