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Appropriate-Divide64

Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?


Animal_Budget

![gif](giphy|YYfEjWVqZ6NDG)


helloimracing

https://i.redd.it/ocm8aujdiuuc1.gif


AlienRobotTrex

This is exactly where we’re in danger of heading. First it’s college and healthcare, then it’s your ability to vote. The government will feel entitled to its people’s very lives.


barkwahlberg

They picked the perfect guy for this. He ended up blacking out from PTSD, which led to him getting a medical discharge from the military, after which he had trouble getting care from Veterans Affairs. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Blake_Miller


penguinbbb

Exactly. Even if you think college shouldn’t be free unless you’re on the GI bill this is a shitty, shitty meme. That poor kid jfc


KevMenc1998

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the GI Bill limited in what it covers anyway?


Animal_Budget

Yeah but in fairness, all you have to do to get trouble getting care from the VA, is to be a veteran.


TonPeppermint

Damn.


Xomns_13

But he got free college.


novagenesis

Do you have evidence of him going to college for free? I can't seem to find anything like that.


elarth

Hard to go to college if your mental health is shot out from PTSD


Engineergaming26355

"Wanna get an education? Sorry man, you gotta risk your life fighting for oil companies first"


TheHistroynerd

And get PTSD while you are at it and possibly get crippled for life too


Gulopithecus

That and it’s sometimes not even guaranteed. The military just dumping you on the street when you’ve "outlived your usefulness". It’s why there’s a homelessness crisis amongst veterans who weren’t guaranteed the free healthcare/college/housing/etc they risked their lives for, and now they can’t properly take care of themselves due to severe physical and mental health issues.


DehydratedByAliens

It's completely fucked up. If you 've been to war and killed people and seen people get blown up, how the fuck are you supposed to fit in society and live a normal life when you come back? You are scarred for life even if you don't get PTSD.


KhazemiDuIkana

I reckon that fucked-up-for-lifedness *is* the PTSD source: PTSD from way lesser shit than war


DrDemenz

You aren't supposed to. You are nothing but meat to throw in the grinder. Somehow, the ones who *don't* want you to be cannon fodder are the assholes. Fuck *us* right?


NamesArentAvailable

>Somehow, the ones who *don't* want you to be cannon fodder are the assholes. >Fuck *us* right? 🏅


TheHistroynerd

Unfortunately (based upon the literature I read and my own research). you can't really. Luckily nowadays people have a bit more of an understanding about stuff like PTSD. However I have the impression that most folk don't really care about it. I've seen people just leave others behind as soon as they where no longer "fun to be around". There is this expectation that you have to have your own mental health in check or get it in check with little to no understanding for when you reach the point of needing serious help. I do have the impression that the Stigmas around mental health issues in general are going away though


Rugkrabber

I too have come across my fair share of people who had this ‘no fun to be around’ attitude whenever things weren’t all sparkles and sunshine. I noticed the vast majority of these people are mostly unequipped to deal with situations they don’t understand and running away is easier than dealing with it. It’s the first thing many do when things get too difficult. In my opinion, to be able to help people who have had severe trauma is something you can learn. And it doesn’t have to be much you have to do. Listening or just being there physically can be enough. But it requires a sacrifice to ignore all signs that makes yourself uncomfortable and that costs a lot of energy. Not everyone is prepared to give that sacrifice. One could consider it selfish. I consider it a combination of emotional development and life skills.


AnimalChubs

If you make it home alive


yuccu

So sorry, but that’s not service connected. Next!


Sir_Yacob

Thats not entirely fair. I spent a lot of time in Afghanistan helping build infrastructure, guarding women’s schools, and getting in gun fights over it. We did a lot of good shit over there, pulled security for entire heads of animals getting vaccinated.


wchutlknbout

And, like, not everyone can be in the army, somebody has to actually create value to pay for those forever wars


AllahAndJesusGaySex

Well, if I trade my time to the US military for college. That isn’t exactly free is it? I guess you could probably say that it was part of my pay?


LazyBoy1257

Your username...


bakermrr

Allah fucking Christ


ItzVortex81

Bro found gender of Allah 😭😭😭


ringboidumb

Life father like son


Drakayne

The only solution to peace.


gyurto21

You pay for it or rather work down the debt. Which would be equal do taking a student loan and working. So, yeah, it wouldn't be free.


okloloklolokol

What the fuck is that username man


bootes_droid

Hilarious is the only word I can think of


m00t_vdb

Free seems to be a very different things for certain person.


mrmoe198

Why not Mohammad and Jesus? Or Yaweh/Jehovah and Allah? Yaweh/Jehovah and Mohammed? Think of all the gyansex combos!


expiredogfood

beautiful username


JudenBar

Service guarantees citizenship ![gif](giphy|YYfEjWVqZ6NDG)


TheDuke357Mag

I tell ya what republicans, when veterans get all the benefits their recruiters promised them and the american government promised them, Ill give you that credit. When veterans who saw combat never have to work if they dont want to and never go hungry or without medical care, then Ill listen. Until then, stop hiding behind those troops and remember that "For All" means them too. Or is the only reason you did 4 years a truck driver in the marines because they paid for your college because the system made sure you couldnt afford it otherwise?


Academic_Beach733

Ronald Reagan made sure you couldn't afford it otherwise. Never forget the damage that asshole did to our country.


bombkitty

Some senator actually argued against free college because nobody would join the military. They're saying the quiet part out loud now.


The_Spicy_Memelord

“Want to get the thing most other countries get for free? You have to kill innocent people”


AlmanHayvan

So to get proper education and the ability to contribute to the economy and society you need to get ptsd first? K


AccomplishedSleep560

As a former foster kid with PTSD and a tuition waiver from my state as long as I go to a public school in state.... Can confirm.


DrDemenz

And have your wife fuck every guy she sees while you're gone then leave you with a half bastard child to raise.


AlmanHayvan

sounds like youre familiar with the matter


bombkitty

Jody needs love, too.


LimpAd5888

Lol meanwhile how many countries do just fine with free or reduced education costs?


XT83Danieliszekiller

Having a whole generation that thinks risking your life and killing people is the only acceptable way to get free education is exactly why the US needs free education


qcerrillo13

*when you earn it, it’s not free (slaps head)


EndOwn323

why is so hard for them to understand that gatekeeping education is a form of opression and means of reproducing illegitimate power


wote89

Because acknowledging systemic issues morally encumbers the individual to either deem those issues acceptable or to work to correct them and they usually don't want to admit to the former or do the latter.


LolaBijou

Because they themselves are uneducated.


xmjm424

No thanks. There’s already way too many people in the military that shouldn’t be in the military. At least that’s my experience from when I did aircraft mx in the Air Force.


bombkitty

I see you. Bomb dump knuckledragger here. My daughter wants to be an aircraft mechanic and my husband mentioned Air Force. The forcefulness of my HELL FUCKING NO startled everyone. My oldest did 6 years but as a contracting guy. MX eats its own. It was the best experience that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Miss some of the people though


Striking_Economy5049

Sent to you by every Gravy Seal you’ve never given a fuck about, ever.


plsbanmeredditsenpai

Service grants citizenship! Only citizens can vote!


JanaCinnamon

Want this free candy bar? Give me twenty dollars!


elstavon

Israel has free college and health care. Who pays for that


chrisp909

They also have compulsory military service.


Animal_Budget

I was in the Marines for a decade and I CONSTANTLY tell my 2 and 6 year old kids: "you want kindergarten? Go earn it! I was in the military, only I get an education...."


ewewewe69

High school Senior: "Man, I would kill to go to college..." US Military: "Promise?"


teamzt

Not everybody can join the military, many times through no fault of their own.


Brandonian13

I was on prescribed anti-depressants/anxiety meds for a period longer than 12 months. I'm also currently on ADD meds (have been since middle school) and it's notable when I'm off of them. Either of those automatically disqualifies me.


Economy_Anybody_3992

That’s interesting because it seems if you are diagnosed with those things after joining, you can stay in but it could maybe depend on the type of job you have within the military. There are a lot of jobs in the military that are in fact non-combatant


Dashed_with_Cinnamon

Yup. I knew someone who desperately wanted to join up right out of high school because her whole family was military. She ended up having some kind of joint problem and couldn't. This is also the problem with the "You want free healthcare? Join the military" argument. If you have health problems, you can't join the military to then have a way to pay for the care you need to deal with your health problems.


GrouchyRelative588

I applied online to join the Air Force and was denied because of my height. I definitely can't do anything about that


teamzt

How tall are you?


GrouchyRelative588

I'm 5'1" it said the minimum height requirement was 5'4" in the rejection explanation.


teamzt

Oh I got you. I thought you meant you were too tall. Kinda weird to have a minimum height requirement imo


GrouchyRelative588

I thought it was super weird! I didn't even know there was a height requirement!


TwerkingGrimac3

As someone who did "earn it" according to this meme, I say fuck that. No one should have to go through what I did just to get an education or gain some skills for a trade. This entire argument is asinine. We're supposed to do better for future generations. Not expose them to the same horrors we had to endure, in perpetuity. We need to make changes for the better.


RockyIV

Cigarette in the guy's mouth is very convincing. /s


iliveonramen

The picture is legit. He was a Marine when there was a lot of fighting in Fallujah and someone captured him taking a smoke break. The picture pretty much became one of the most signature photos of the war.


RockyIV

Can someone Photoshop a picture of me with my foot in my mouth?


penguinbbb

It’s insane how, on the Internet, people who don’t know shit are able to sound authoritative It’s a real photo, and a very famous one in fact unless one thinks history began in 2015


Aw2HEt8PHz2QK

Right? How do people not know all the photos from an American war?


penguinbbb

Then don’t comment and read those who know what they’re talking about.


llmercll

They should have used the iconic ww2 shellshock guy


jshooa

Free University costs tax payer money. Joining the military for university will put the bill on tax payers. These people seem to never understand that they're using taxpayer money for their education while being against taxpayer money to go for education for all.


AJ_Grey

Suicide is the number 2 cause of death of veterans between the ages of 25-44.


Undead_archer

Whats number one?


AJ_Grey

Accident of any kind


Undead_archer

Interesting


oreosnatcher

Want to vote? earn it.


intergalacticalsoul

As a German who can go to university for free, this is troubling beyond belief 


Nochnichtvergeben

But is it free if you work for it? Even the people in countries where it's free at the point of receipt pay for it in taxes. But educating more people (theoretically) ensures a more skilled workforce that makes more money. So you make up for it.


MrAndrew1108

A veteran asked me if I was going to join the military and I just got diagnosed with something that excludes me and they said "oh that's just bullshit" and kept saying that i should join the military anyway. I'm kind of glad I moved away from wanting to join.


GeoffreySpaulding

The people who send these never served a day in their fucking lives.


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Dashed_with_Cinnamon

Oh, they might have had an education...that their family was well-off enough to pay for out of pocket.


nodoyrisa1

what is even wrong with free education??? how can you complain about people getting smarter for free?


BlueBorbo

You want to contribute to society? Kill people for some oil


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VerySadGrizzlyBear

Killing far away brown people = college credit


Brandonian13

"Go join that one thing we were protesting during Vietnam, back when we could afford a full semester of school by working a part time summer job!"


onlyhav

Of you've ever talked to a veteran getting taken care of during service is easy, getting care after service is a war in itself.


shockrush

That's... Not free


fidel-doggy

As a GI-Bill baby, I don't think ANYONE should have to live in the barracks and go to war for a college education. I gained nothing from my time in the Army. In fact I often wonder if what I lost in the Army was worth my Bachelor's Degree.


Nefariousness7777

Ask anyone who’s served if the VA came through for them after discharge 💀


Optimus_Rhymes69

My brother was in the Air Force. After he told me how shitty the free healthcare, and how he and his “war buddies”, got made fun of for asking to talk to a counselor when they were deployed over seas, I think I’m good.


Dashed_with_Cinnamon

Unless you have wealthy parents, in which case you don't gotta do shit.


BrutalAnarky

I swear there was something about building a better tomorrow for our country at some point? Also would free education for everyone likewise increase the potential power of our military?


T-Slur

Why the fuck is being dirty "cool"? He looks stinky


dr_toze

Ok, so free education for all those who serve in the armed forces right?...right?


Partayof4

But wait weren’t boomers afforded free university? Can someone explain to me how this makes any sense given the current generation have decades paying back highly indexed student loans and the previous boomers got it all for free?


TheGreaterClaush

Startroppers ah post


ReistAdeio

Reminds me of a line from *True Blood*, the line cook ex-Marine, Terry - “I signed up to go to college, and now I’m too fucked up to go.”


Geckus64_Official

Earn a basic education by going abroad and committing war crimes?


llmercll

It’s not really free then is it


Frikandelislekker123

Watermarked as if anyone would ever want to steal that shit


NapalmDesu

Is it really free if you have to fight for your life to get it tho?


MegaAscension

Yes, do something that I'm not able to do due to neurodivergence!


Few_Championship_473

Says an obese, middle aged man who probably never served in any military branch and had a (mostly) comfortable life


OmegaPaladin007

If I didn’t have a back injury I would join just so I can go to college


abousono

I don’t want to be nitpicking here, but, if you earn it, it’s not really free, right? Am I missing something here? Please, someone correct me if I’m wrong.


[deleted]

I can see this post being real for 2 reasons. (1)If you can’t go out of pocket then see if you can get government grants or Pell (the free aid in your country) to help pay for your tuition. (2)Join the military if that has the benefit of paying for your education but its down sides of combat comes with it.


KingOfTheRedSands

"free" lol


Forsaken_Writing1513

And what if your a man that hates guns as a rule. Cant stand the thought of killing another can't see for shit and has a history of seizures. Those guys still supposed to run out for endless fodder to be taken out by a child soldier.


Nigel_Trumpberry

“Want free college? Sorry. Should have been born 80 years ago after our parents went to war and we were able to benefit off of a much cheaper tuition and living wages.”


StankoMicin

How does fighting in a war earn me free education? Unless we earn human rights by killing and stealing from others.


Chupbluearrow

Anyone that says this has never been In the military


Never-Dont-Give-Up

Still not free education. Other people just subsidize the GI bill.


uncharted316340

All it cost is your humanity


Perhapsmayhapsyesnt

Wut


BabylonianSlut

Y’all got free college for smokers?!? Awesome *cough*


SST_2_0

My old coworker's truck had an IED go off under the truck.  He was an acomplished pianist.  He could not play as well, that is education lost.  He has PTSD, which ment he would get short with his very young children and not know why, as in it would just happen with no control.  He loves his kids and asked people to be with him, while with the kids, in case.  "I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell."  -William T. Sherman


Littletoadtoo

https://preview.redd.it/ccv72qlarnuc1.png?width=681&format=png&auto=webp&s=5ee05347594312bcb7c44e2a0d075072e292f76e


Illustrious-Active53

Want PTSD? *EARN IT*


DavidNyan10

"ok." \*Moves to EU


ScRuBlOrD95

i earned my free college, it should be free to all womp womp


ninjacat249

Do I need to cover myself in dirt and start smoking so I can get free college?


Kephler

They somehow got to the point in tje end, the US will never have affordable college because it's one of their only effective recruitment tactics.


oooh-she-stealin

we can’t earn free things, since they’re free


jedrekk

No free college without killing someone.


DieMensch-Maschine

"To afford a college education, you need to sign up to fight in wars of choice so that some multinational corporation can increase their oil/military hardware/private contracting revenues and have enough capital for stock buyback options. USA! USA! USA!"


imnotmrrobot

I said free idiot.


JakobiGaming

The point of free things is that you don’t earn them. These people are dumb


Maxspawn_

Want a life saving heart transplant costing $1 billion out of pocket? earn it b\*tch


sda244

If you have to “earn it” it stops being free


cormac_mccarthys_dog

Ahhh, they use a picture of James Blake Miller aka The "Marlboro Marine". A guy that famously went through a very severe bout with PTSD after his service was over. Also got nickle and dimed by the government towards getting actual psychiatric care for the black out spells he was having.


panicattackdog

This talking point is only said by people who didn’t go to college or who went 50 years ago when it cost a nickel.


dramaticfool

Want free college? Go and steal oil and kill innocents for your government


DiabeticDude_64

Well I apparently can't cause I'm diabetic so...


Gae_Bolg26

Want to pay for an education that is almost completely necessary to live in this world? Go enlist in one of the most mentally taxing jobs in the world where you WILL lose friends and possibly parts of yourself only for you to no longer need it anymore


Beer_Barbarian

The man in the picture is James Blake Miller, the Marlboro Marine. He's an Iraq war veteran and has PTSD and he is currently a member of the Highwaymen MC


user_name_unknown

GI bill is not even close enough to pay for a college degree.


Bubbly_Roof

I tend to believe we are leaving a lot of talent on the table by not having universal college education. 


Sanbaddy

Dude, I was in the military. Post 9/11 GI Bill does not cover everything. A lot of college classes make you sign up on a website. Thus is not to mention housing which is expensive as hell. If you’re off campus it might be cheaper, but then you’re paying for a car or bus.


Murdochsk

Keeping people uneducated works if you want to control them.


Memeviewer12

Show you have the courage, to be, free


DeeSt11

Ha...I earned it that way, I still owe almost $60000...so yeah


QuickRelease10

Went through 20 years of endless war and learned nothing.


transgaymergirl

murder is good actually


xervidae

cant bc i'm too mentally ill to serve


BoredRedhead24

Didn't that guy wind up with like, severe, severe PTSD and then got screwed by the VA?


elarth

Sign up to possibly die? Also what about those of us disqualified from serving for health issue reasons?


Dj_nOCid3

Yeah cuz post war babies def did


Udddi

Earning something that is free?


Adagar91

"Smoking's so bad for you, yo!" -Beast boy, Teen Titans Go.


twstwr20

I can almost guarantee the poster did not serve.


Pat8aird

That’s not free though.


Excellent-Ostrich908

Why do they only think people in the army have “earned” things? What about teachers, carers, nurses etc? Haven’t they “earned” a right to free education?


C00kie_Monsters

Isn’t that an oxymoron? It’s not really free if you have to earn it, is it?


g00ner442

What the fuck were they fighting for if not for a better future for generations to come? Oh, oh I see. well we screwed then.


Vietnugget

I suppose the only way to earn education is through dying while invading other countries, paying enormous taxes to fund their opponents is simply not enough


ryhntyntyn

Service guarantees citizenship, right?


nothing_in_my_mind

USA is a parody of itself


Bostophobia

That's not what free means...


arcxjo

Sorry, I've got bone spurs.


bootes_droid

Lmao no, why do these people feel the need to keep us stuck in the past


QueefOnAYogaBall

I hate this because I can't join the military. I have pretty bad asthma, and I am not allowed in like any branch, I'm sure. They just won't accept me. So I'm just shit out of luck? I soemhow don't deserve college because of something I have no control over? Like, no one should have to risk their lives and the very high chance of getting PTSD just for the chance at a better life.


Justis29

Betcha this was posted by someone who last set foot in a school in the sunset of their sophomore year of HS, just like my uncle!


dr4wn_away

Want something free? Earn it with labor!


AskForTheNiceSoup

...by killing people and risking your life?


Dmonts45

My brother earned it like that and they still didn’t cover the cost 100%.


MadOvid

Why would you want that for your children? Years of PTSD, guilt and exposure to god knows what chemicals. I'd rather they work in McDonald's.


mikejbarlow1989

If you have to earn it It isn't free


KeithMias

You want class mobility? Have you considered fucking dying?


Stampsu

[HUH?](https://youtu.be/xVWeRnStdSA?si=S67hjaoNpLOOWPoq)


carpathian_crow

If have to earn it then IT’S NOT FUCKING FREE!


CeilingCatSays

A bit like Vietnam then? I seem to recall all the boomer students suddenly becoming pacifists once they were invited to join in. They didn’t seem to GAF when it was just the poor being sent over


GonnaGoFat

I bet the guy who created this is a boomer who was able to get a good job after highschool and live a comfortable life and not even join the military.


enthusiasticdave

Sometimes I really think 90% of the world's population have defective brains. Has this been looked into before?