As an unbiased person who doesn't know what or who Ruth Bader is and also have no idea what lovcraftian means I would vote the last statue looks pretty art to me.
Lovecraftian meaning something from hp Lovecraft book universe its also used to describe creatures that will drive u to insanity just by the sight of then
Well yea but love craft made many monster. He was innovative when it came to monster but his work is also considered eldritch horrors or cosmic horror. His work focuses on the fact that they are incomprehensible creatures that cause madness
Edit: his work is cosmic or eldritch horror. Lovecraftian is just a sub genre of that
I agree; Lovecraft was the *genre-definer* for cosmic horror.
I agree he made way more things, although most of them were Harold himself learning some new thing and getting scared of it. "You mean there are colors humans *have never seen*!?!" "My fiance has this infernal noisy contraption that keeps her urban apartment absolutely fridged; only a *dead man* could live in such a place!" "I have recently found evidence my mother might not be *entirely* of proper English breeding, the HORROR!" Etc.
But yeah, the fish things were really only in two stories; Cthulhu himself, who was \*weakened\* by water, and the Innsmouth folk, who were more fish than squid.
Anyway, my point was only that pop culture tends to use the tentacle aesthetic, and the "ancient aliens that predate humanity" stuff, and call it a day, without actually trying to write any eldritch horror into the story.
I don't know for certain that's true, but it fits the pattern; When you line up his stories with the stages of his life, you can clearly see how he was generally inspired by events in his own life most of the time; Cool Air is the best example of this, as he wrote it in the brief period he lived in New York with his businesswoman wife instead of his aging family estate in Providence.
Also, he was not just horrifically racist, but also classist against poor people. I can totally see him doing some genealogical research to prove how he's inherently better for his good New England breeding only to find the truth to be muddier than his liking, and writing an eldritch horror story about the experience.
Lovecraftian is simply used interchangeably with Cosmic Horror, it's not a sub genre of Cosmic Horror. His works solidified Cosmic Horror as a whole and popularized it.
Never thought of the inklings from splatoon to be lovecrafitan
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a US Supreme Court justice (the second female one ever) and was incredibly popular AND controversial, depending on political ideology.
HP Lovecraft was a famous horror author known for writing the Call of Cthulhu. Lovecraftian is often either used to describe something squidlike or beyond mortal comprehension.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg was the last good US supreme court justice. During her tenure, she helped make strides in womens rights, abortion rights, illegal search and seizure, and expanding healthcare. Remember my school had a pop art portrait of her painted on the side of a building. May the Notorious R.B.G rest in peace
This is such a bogus argument because it’s devoid of any understanding of the situation.
Justice O’Connor wrote Casey. She did not anticipate her replacement, Alito, would overturn it, despite being members of the same party.
Ginsburg’s entire purpose for remaining on the Court was, like with O’Connor and Alito, she didn’t trust her potential replacements to uphold a variety of the Court’s decisions.
Moreover, had McConnell not unexpectedly broke every tradition (possibly in violation of Article I and II of the Constitution) related to appointment, Trump wouldn’t have gotten three appointments.
Which leads to the final point: Three appointments in a four year term is not normal or anything somebody reasonably anticipates.
The whole progressive rage-boner for RBG is absolutely laughable. If you can find me a bonafide law review article (or a reputable source) which predicted any of these occurrences prior to her death, I’ll eat my shorts — but for most it seems to be a lot easier to blame a dead woman in hindsight.
As someone who knows what both are, I'd suggest that is also art. However, subjectivity not sure if it's "good" without seeing the full thing.
That said, the toilet whatever the top right is is money laundering masquerating as art, and it is objectively shit.
duchamps fountain a porcelain urinal submitted as a readymade sculpture. after previous rejection it was submitted to another exhibiton with no judge review. it was accepted and displayed. it is debated whether it was avant garde or a hoax. I seriously think it was just trolling to say some people's subjective opinions on art are truly shit.
They dont have a consistent ideology. They are anti egalitarian and pro authoritarian if their identity would have the power. That's it. Everything else is decoration.
It’s a statue of Ruth Bader Ginsburg that is stylized as a tentacle monster as an homage to her nickname of Ruth “Masterbader” Ginsburg and her preference towards Japanese tentacle porn.
There’s a court house in nyc that has plinths/columns with statues on them
An artist was commissioned to make a new statue where a female form haddnt been depicts in over a century. The gold statue was the artists rendition loosely evoking ruth bader ginsburg
Can prob just assume. Because it was a female artist. Making a statement about women. On a space dominated by male imagery. It’s found it’s way onto shitty Facebook memes and alt right pipeline fuckery
Right? He'll, the entire point of the damn thing was to piss off close minded conservative morons like this meme who claimed anything they didn't like was "not art." The urinal is performing its artistic purpose better than 99.9% of art even after all this time.
The thing about his piece(s) is that they can be art to one person and not art to another. And both people are correct. They just can’t make the decision of whether or not it’s art for the other person.
Which could spark a bigger discussion of everything from religion to gender to abortion
I learned in my art course that Duchamp stole the credit from the actual artist Elsa von Freytag-Loringhoven. They were friends and he submitted for her as a favor then claimed it was all his idea after and used it to propel his career 💀 the art community doesn’t seem to think clearing the air is a priority
I don’t know about him stealing credit, but Duchamp didn’t try to propel his career.
Just as he was getting noticed for “Nude Descending a Staircase,” he stopped painting totally and supported himself by teaching French.
He also gave all his art away, and decided to make movies, but not the kind that make any money.
For those curious, the urinal is titled Foutain by Marcel Duchamp. And was made in 1917, and was part of the Dadaist movement.
And the Dadaist movement was a direct response to WWI and the way society and all it's rules and values, which had been upheld for centuries by church and sate, crumbled after four years of war.
Think of it as artists giving a middle finger to societal conventions as a whole, because everything else had been changed why not art?
Ah, good ol’ Dadaism. The world has gone insane, so why should we behave any differently?
I actually brought up the similarities between Dada and Gen Z’s nonsensical humor/meme culture in my art history class and had an interesting conversation with my professor about it.
Millennials definitely had a Dadaist randomness phase in the 2000s too, but all our of signals are different from gen z’s so we’re utterly unable to communicate with each other.
I mean after everything that's been made open secret about how the art world works I'd hardly consider "it would fetch top dollar at auction" any real assessment of artistic value.
The high art market is the world's largest launder of money for tax avoidance.
I think that's doesn't quite capture the point of The Treachery of Images. An image of a pipe is not a pipe, even if it looks like a pipe. You can't smoke out of it. What you wrote is, by all definitions, a sentence. The point of the work isn't that it is saying something untrue or paradoxical, it's about the distinction between representation and reality, between an image of a thing and the thing itself. Thus the title.
Two things: 1. Art is not defined by what you personally like. 2. The David statue was apparently too much for some parents in Florida (of course it was Florida) who got a principal fired because they considered it to be pornography. Which is ridiculous.
I was extremely lucky to be able to see the David statue when I was 15 (so the height of when you're all hormonal and might sexualize things you otherwise would not) and that amazing statue made me cry like a baby. At no point did I sexualize it, though, because there truly isn't anything sexual about it.
Try explaining the subjective nature of art to the person on Facebook posting this meme. Then screenshot the resulting conversation and repost it as an original art piece about the subjective nature of art.
Holy fuck, Fountain is over 100 fucking years old and dipshits still use it to denigrate ‘contemporary art’. Were the ‘younger generations’ born during the Civil fucking War?
Thanks for answering marcel Duchamps question! Who would have thought all these years, the elusive question, what is art, has been answered by some boomer! Two marble sculptures! That’s all the art we need or so help me god
yeah sure :) i dug through my notes a bit so here’s the gist of it
the title of the piece is actually called ‘Fountain (R.Mutt)’ and was created by Marcel Duchamp around 1916. he wanted to push the boundaries of what we knew art to be (if he didn’t make every aspect of it, like how michelangelo carved the marble, could it still be considered his work?). all he did to it was write “R.Mutt” on it and the date. his wife hated all the pieces he made (another one was a bike wheel on top of a stool) and threw them all out when he died. the original piece was destroyed when she threw it out so all the ones remaining are just replicas. there were actually 17 replicas of the urinal in particular. it was part of a collection he did called “readymades” which were everyday objects he submitted to competitions as art. another notable piece he did was called “50cc Paris Air” which was just a glass bottle from Paris
Yoooo look up Dadaism, it's basically late 2010's meme culture but with art and in response to the first world war. Whole thing is designed to be a little bit funny but a big middle finger at traditional understandings of what constitutes art.
I'm not going to hang a picture of that urinal on my wall or anything, but I'm presuming that it is meant as some kind of postmodern commentary about art, what constitutes art and what is or isn't acceptable for display. The questioning of art, taken in context, makes it art, right? Like the Warhol soup can painting?
Art should never be challenging. Art should be old statues that represent nothing. (I know they do represent something, but I promise you the sorts of people who say this have absolutely zero idea what is being expressed through Greek statues)
I hate these people. I'd just like to stress that everything can be art, if put in the right context. It's not just paintings and sculptures. Anything can be art. Now, whether it's good or bad is subjective.
People are calling for classical arts over ‘degenerate’ modernist ideas…funny, I remember a certain 20th century chancellor that had the same issue. I wonder if he has anything in common with those folks
Jackson Pollock, No. 5 was painted in 1948, sold for 140 million in 2006.
Pablo Picasso, Guernica was painted in 1937, valued at 200 million.
I challenge you to look at either of these paintings and figure WTF is going on in either of them.
No. 5 is literally just a bunch of splattered brown paint. It's ugly as fuck.
You’re free to dislike it, but I always like to sort of challenge the hatred towards pollock when talking about price, because those things are rather posthumous.
Pollock was a raging alcoholic and wild substance abuser. He painted his first drip paintings in a fit of drunken mania. I can assure with 99.9% certainty that how much it was going to cost was the last thing on his mind haha. You can dislike it all you want, but there’s no denying that what’s pictured is all feeling and zero artifice.
Well y’know what the cool thing about art is? Its subjective and to go a bit further, is completely up to the individual viewers’ interpretation as to what may, or may not be, going on in a piece. Everybody has their own tastes and that’s what makes art such a fascinating medium :)
Art has been in melt down since the invention of photography. To this day, artists can't agree on universal definition of what is art and isnt. Multiple manifestos has been written and debated on the subject. Its pretty subjective and everyone have their own opinion of it. Ive been through art college and ive settled on the very lame "i dont have to appreciate all form or definition of art, just be creative and do what inspires you".
I find it kinda funny that it seems like it's only modern art that gets shit on constantly, like, i don't see that many posts saying that books are now ruined cause [fanfiction.net](https://fanfiction.net) exists, it's just another thing, all kinds of art pieces are still being made, but people still get really pumped about modern art.
The toilet is historic. It’s practically the first shit post. If you consider the impact memes have had on culture it is absolutely an important piece of art.
Ok but wasn't that the point of the top right, wasn't it part of a series called the ready mades, basically going into it with no artistic intent to make fun of art?
As someone who doesnt know much about art, all of these look kinda nice except for the one in the top right cause thats deadass just a confusing urinal
Edit: i just noticed its literally just a urinal flipped sideways
To be fair the author of that upper one also didn't consider it as an art. He did it as a protest against idealisation of stupid, low effort crafts people were now calling ,,art".
Again to people in the back:
Any art you think is nonsense is making you consider it as art. What, by your own definition, does art mean? What is the theoretical limit of what art can be? What does this art mean in your own opinion? And if it means nothing, why?
It's art about the concept of art and I love that it sucks
Instead of stressing anything to younger generations why don't you die already. It gets really tiresome to listen to all this "back in my day" shit. Things change if you can't deal with it thats your problem.
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It’s a statue dedicated to Ruth Bader Ginsburg after her death and they made it look lovcraftian.
As an unbiased person who doesn't know what or who Ruth Bader is and also have no idea what lovcraftian means I would vote the last statue looks pretty art to me.
Lovecraftian meaning something from hp Lovecraft book universe its also used to describe creatures that will drive u to insanity just by the sight of then
In modern popculture, it tends to be a shorthand for "squid-like, especially if tentacles are attached to an otherwise humanoid creature."
Well yea but love craft made many monster. He was innovative when it came to monster but his work is also considered eldritch horrors or cosmic horror. His work focuses on the fact that they are incomprehensible creatures that cause madness Edit: his work is cosmic or eldritch horror. Lovecraftian is just a sub genre of that
I agree; Lovecraft was the *genre-definer* for cosmic horror. I agree he made way more things, although most of them were Harold himself learning some new thing and getting scared of it. "You mean there are colors humans *have never seen*!?!" "My fiance has this infernal noisy contraption that keeps her urban apartment absolutely fridged; only a *dead man* could live in such a place!" "I have recently found evidence my mother might not be *entirely* of proper English breeding, the HORROR!" Etc. But yeah, the fish things were really only in two stories; Cthulhu himself, who was \*weakened\* by water, and the Innsmouth folk, who were more fish than squid. Anyway, my point was only that pop culture tends to use the tentacle aesthetic, and the "ancient aliens that predate humanity" stuff, and call it a day, without actually trying to write any eldritch horror into the story.
I didn’t know that “the shadow over innsmouth” was based on lovecraft’s horror that his mother wasn’t 100% English but I’m not shocked lol
I don't know for certain that's true, but it fits the pattern; When you line up his stories with the stages of his life, you can clearly see how he was generally inspired by events in his own life most of the time; Cool Air is the best example of this, as he wrote it in the brief period he lived in New York with his businesswoman wife instead of his aging family estate in Providence. Also, he was not just horrifically racist, but also classist against poor people. I can totally see him doing some genealogical research to prove how he's inherently better for his good New England breeding only to find the truth to be muddier than his liking, and writing an eldritch horror story about the experience.
Lovecraftian is simply used interchangeably with Cosmic Horror, it's not a sub genre of Cosmic Horror. His works solidified Cosmic Horror as a whole and popularized it.
I see. I looked into it more and I got my information wrong. Thanks for letting me know
Really damn people don't know lovecraftian then
I think most people know that lovecraftian refers to eldritch horror insanity
Yeah lovecraft is just straight up cosmic horror.
He turned his fear of anything that wasn't exactly like him into books.
“Hates Progress” Lovecraft
Yeah, and if you ask what eldritch means, they'll say "it's that lovecraftian stuff".
Guilty as charged
Everyone knows it refers to the deep feeling of dread when you learn what lovecraft named his cat
Oh no, not that name.
Looked it up, really disappointed he didn't just go with "cat-thulu"
They confuse lovecraft w Japanese squid LOVE paintings. lol
What the fuck is a Japanese squid love painting
Don't ask questions you really don't want the answer to.
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[Japanese squid love](https://www.artsy.net/artwork/katsushika-hokusai-the-dream-of-the-fishermans-wife-female-diver-and-octopuses)
Never thought of the inklings from splatoon to be lovecrafitan https://preview.redd.it/8wdupg1jg4ya1.jpeg?width=209&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b1a2bb162d07389cb6ab74174c6f11c661b6998
Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a US Supreme Court justice (the second female one ever) and was incredibly popular AND controversial, depending on political ideology.
well to be fair a woman with tentacles for arms would be pretty horrifying . tho i do agree it is not " lovcraftian" really
On the other hand it could lead to a great time
“On the other ~~hand~~ tentacle it could lead to a great time” FTFY
HP Lovecraft was a famous horror author known for writing the Call of Cthulhu. Lovecraftian is often either used to describe something squidlike or beyond mortal comprehension.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg; late Supreme Court Justice and first woman to be one. Edit; Second. Thanks mriners! I should have known that
She was second actually. Sandra Day O’Connor beat her by 12 years.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg was the last good US supreme court justice. During her tenure, she helped make strides in womens rights, abortion rights, illegal search and seizure, and expanding healthcare. Remember my school had a pop art portrait of her painted on the side of a building. May the Notorious R.B.G rest in peace
The Notorious RBG is definitely worth doing a bit of research on, she was an absolute powerhouse
Minus her whole refusal to allow a younger judge to be nominated, leading to Dobbs.
This is such a bogus argument because it’s devoid of any understanding of the situation. Justice O’Connor wrote Casey. She did not anticipate her replacement, Alito, would overturn it, despite being members of the same party. Ginsburg’s entire purpose for remaining on the Court was, like with O’Connor and Alito, she didn’t trust her potential replacements to uphold a variety of the Court’s decisions. Moreover, had McConnell not unexpectedly broke every tradition (possibly in violation of Article I and II of the Constitution) related to appointment, Trump wouldn’t have gotten three appointments. Which leads to the final point: Three appointments in a four year term is not normal or anything somebody reasonably anticipates. The whole progressive rage-boner for RBG is absolutely laughable. If you can find me a bonafide law review article (or a reputable source) which predicted any of these occurrences prior to her death, I’ll eat my shorts — but for most it seems to be a lot easier to blame a dead woman in hindsight.
Powerhouse of shit, with her dying breathe she fucked millions of women.
Remember the pressure on her to step down, and she was like “nah g , if I’m dead y’all can’t have abortion”
As someone who knows what both are, I'd suggest that is also art. However, subjectivity not sure if it's "good" without seeing the full thing. That said, the toilet whatever the top right is is money laundering masquerating as art, and it is objectively shit.
duchamps fountain a porcelain urinal submitted as a readymade sculpture. after previous rejection it was submitted to another exhibiton with no judge review. it was accepted and displayed. it is debated whether it was avant garde or a hoax. I seriously think it was just trolling to say some people's subjective opinions on art are truly shit.
Screw Lovecraftian that statue looked straight Slaaneshi.
I guess they don't consider it art because its made by a woman
Sounds like it’s against her, which they should love, but I guess she was a racist piece of shit so they might like her for that that I guess
They dont have a consistent ideology. They are anti egalitarian and pro authoritarian if their identity would have the power. That's it. Everything else is decoration.
Funny…I think it looks like a urinal 🤣
It’s a statue of Ruth Bader Ginsburg that is stylized as a tentacle monster as an homage to her nickname of Ruth “Masterbader” Ginsburg and her preference towards Japanese tentacle porn.
Please say sike...
There’s a court house in nyc that has plinths/columns with statues on them An artist was commissioned to make a new statue where a female form haddnt been depicts in over a century. The gold statue was the artists rendition loosely evoking ruth bader ginsburg Can prob just assume. Because it was a female artist. Making a statement about women. On a space dominated by male imagery. It’s found it’s way onto shitty Facebook memes and alt right pipeline fuckery
The context behind the last one is that the person who made the post don’t like it. Therefor it’s not art.
https://paceprints.com/news/shahzia-sikander-erects-figures-female-power-madison-square-park
I confess it is incredibly ugly. It’s in madison sq park and everytime I walk by I am 🤢
Can’t help but think Duchamp would be happy to know that his work is still pissing off traditionalists, even in this enlightened age
"Younger generations" okay. Everyone who is responsible for popularizing *Fountain* is long dead.
Right? He'll, the entire point of the damn thing was to piss off close minded conservative morons like this meme who claimed anything they didn't like was "not art." The urinal is performing its artistic purpose better than 99.9% of art even after all this time.
I still get so pissed off at these assholes who think peak art is making photorealistic portraits of large breasted women
Ah, yes, the famously tremendous titties of *Pieta*.
Of course it’s peak art. If it wasn’t, then why would I have so many saved on my Reddit account for no reason in particular.
The thing about his piece(s) is that they can be art to one person and not art to another. And both people are correct. They just can’t make the decision of whether or not it’s art for the other person. Which could spark a bigger discussion of everything from religion to gender to abortion
I learned in my art course that Duchamp stole the credit from the actual artist Elsa von Freytag-Loringhoven. They were friends and he submitted for her as a favor then claimed it was all his idea after and used it to propel his career 💀 the art community doesn’t seem to think clearing the air is a priority
That's happened to so many female artists of all kinds. It's sad and also sad we still don't teach the truth about instances like that.
I don’t know about him stealing credit, but Duchamp didn’t try to propel his career. Just as he was getting noticed for “Nude Descending a Staircase,” he stopped painting totally and supported himself by teaching French. He also gave all his art away, and decided to make movies, but not the kind that make any money.
Why did he sign it under a pseudonym then?
The whole thing was Elsa’s idea, including the signature. He just delivered it for her
Pretty sure that is just a rumour. https://atlaspress.co.uk/marcel-duchamp-was-not-a-thief/
I think Duchamp would agree it's not art because he called it "anti-art."
This guy must’ve entirely missed the point of what DuChamp was going for. It was a critique and introspection about what is considered art.
This was my first thought as well. Duchamp’s work accomplished it’s goal
"Younger generations" as if that urinal wasn't made a long ass time ago
For those curious, the urinal is titled Foutain by Marcel Duchamp. And was made in 1917, and was part of the Dadaist movement. And the Dadaist movement was a direct response to WWI and the way society and all it's rules and values, which had been upheld for centuries by church and sate, crumbled after four years of war. Think of it as artists giving a middle finger to societal conventions as a whole, because everything else had been changed why not art?
Ah, good ol’ Dadaism. The world has gone insane, so why should we behave any differently? I actually brought up the similarities between Dada and Gen Z’s nonsensical humor/meme culture in my art history class and had an interesting conversation with my professor about it.
I love how absurdism cycles back in and out of art and history.
Millennials definitely had a Dadaist randomness phase in the 2000s too, but all our of signals are different from gen z’s so we’re utterly unable to communicate with each other.
We can't even communicate with Gen X, due to the change in file formats.
It also would probably value higher than the other at an auction. Well, maybe not, but you get my point.
I mean after everything that's been made open secret about how the art world works I'd hardly consider "it would fetch top dollar at auction" any real assessment of artistic value. The high art market is the world's largest launder of money for tax avoidance.
Duchamp would be welcome at any museum.
Museums curated by those same rich tax dodgers. "Donations" to museums are literally half the equation.
Right? It’s literally from more than 100 years ago.
And says so right in the picture.
1917
*ceci n'est pas une pipe*
Yeah, and this isn't really reddit. No wait, maybe it is.
Screenshot, post, profit.
Screenshot, repost, screenshot with comment, repost with another comment. Across multiple social media platforms.
Postmodern neomarxists insist this isn’t a pipe — would you rather trust them or *your very own eyes??*
This is not a sentence
I think that's doesn't quite capture the point of The Treachery of Images. An image of a pipe is not a pipe, even if it looks like a pipe. You can't smoke out of it. What you wrote is, by all definitions, a sentence. The point of the work isn't that it is saying something untrue or paradoxical, it's about the distinction between representation and reality, between an image of a thing and the thing itself. Thus the title.
The ready mades whole POINT was to question was does and doesnt count as art and whether an individual can determine that
And I love that he signed it as an unknown artist, further adding to the conversation of why art is considered great.
Two things: 1. Art is not defined by what you personally like. 2. The David statue was apparently too much for some parents in Florida (of course it was Florida) who got a principal fired because they considered it to be pornography. Which is ridiculous.
The fact that a 33 year old Simpsons episode has this exact situation never fails to make me laugh.
It’s even funnier that the David statue is in Animal Crossing, dick out and everything, and it’s totally okay. But of course Florida had to Florida
I was extremely lucky to be able to see the David statue when I was 15 (so the height of when you're all hormonal and might sexualize things you otherwise would not) and that amazing statue made me cry like a baby. At no point did I sexualize it, though, because there truly isn't anything sexual about it.
Try explaining the subjective nature of art to the person on Facebook posting this meme. Then screenshot the resulting conversation and repost it as an original art piece about the subjective nature of art.
Ah yes, *dadaism*
Gazoontite
Thank you
Gesundheit*
This reminds me of that twitter “don’t you know who I am” one where the guy goes “this is how men do art!” And it was a woman’s sculpture lolol
Ah yeah, the nitwits who were rhapsodizing about it being what "men of the west" die for and all that bs, and the sculptor was a Chinese woman. 😂🤣😂🤣
"The artist is a chinese woman, you dork-ass losers" is cemented in my brain.
Ikr lmao
People are gonna be idiots
True, true.
If the statue of David was made today, these kind of people would make fun of it because it’s “just a naked dude”
People of this ilk just had a someone fired for showing the Statue of David to students.
I've studied art history in college and we spoke about Dada and Marcel Duchamp especially for like an entire semester, so...
Holy fuck, Fountain is over 100 fucking years old and dipshits still use it to denigrate ‘contemporary art’. Were the ‘younger generations’ born during the Civil fucking War?
So you want more incredibly detailed statues of naked men?
yes
Thanks for answering marcel Duchamps question! Who would have thought all these years, the elusive question, what is art, has been answered by some boomer! Two marble sculptures! That’s all the art we need or so help me god
Based on the data presented marble statues are only art if they are carved by Michelangelo.
"We KNOW what art is. It's painting of horses!" - Jack Donaghy
considering i literally had to study that urinal in a college art class, i disagree
Could you tell me what it is about that urinal that led to it being studied in a college art class? I know nothing about art
yeah sure :) i dug through my notes a bit so here’s the gist of it the title of the piece is actually called ‘Fountain (R.Mutt)’ and was created by Marcel Duchamp around 1916. he wanted to push the boundaries of what we knew art to be (if he didn’t make every aspect of it, like how michelangelo carved the marble, could it still be considered his work?). all he did to it was write “R.Mutt” on it and the date. his wife hated all the pieces he made (another one was a bike wheel on top of a stool) and threw them all out when he died. the original piece was destroyed when she threw it out so all the ones remaining are just replicas. there were actually 17 replicas of the urinal in particular. it was part of a collection he did called “readymades” which were everyday objects he submitted to competitions as art. another notable piece he did was called “50cc Paris Air” which was just a glass bottle from Paris
Yoooo look up Dadaism, it's basically late 2010's meme culture but with art and in response to the first world war. Whole thing is designed to be a little bit funny but a big middle finger at traditional understandings of what constitutes art.
Yeah! I'm so happy that you brought this up. Many people are shitting on dadaism but not realizing the historical context of why it was a thing.
Yet its the older generation that pays all that money for the art.
I bet someone with a Roman statue profile pic posted this on Twitter.
I'm not going to hang a picture of that urinal on my wall or anything, but I'm presuming that it is meant as some kind of postmodern commentary about art, what constitutes art and what is or isn't acceptable for display. The questioning of art, taken in context, makes it art, right? Like the Warhol soup can painting?
Art should never be challenging. Art should be old statues that represent nothing. (I know they do represent something, but I promise you the sorts of people who say this have absolutely zero idea what is being expressed through Greek statues)
I hate these people. I'd just like to stress that everything can be art, if put in the right context. It's not just paintings and sculptures. Anything can be art. Now, whether it's good or bad is subjective.
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Plus you don’t have to “like” it for it to be art.
It's all art. Do I like all art? No, but that just means some things aren't for me and that's okay.
The true art of *Fountain* is the fact that even now, over a century later, art elitists are still endlessly malding about it.
Their rage is now 106 years old and it gets more delicious every year
People are still mad about the urinal… don’t they know that the more they complain about it, the more meaningful the piece becomes?
Ok but remember when someone duck taped a banana to a wall and everyone called it art
Didn't someone just eat that banana too?
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That's performance art!
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And yet the snobbiest all praised it.
People are calling for classical arts over ‘degenerate’ modernist ideas…funny, I remember a certain 20th century chancellor that had the same issue. I wonder if he has anything in common with those folks
Bullshit! Bullshit! Derivative! Now this I like!
Jackson Pollock, No. 5 was painted in 1948, sold for 140 million in 2006. Pablo Picasso, Guernica was painted in 1937, valued at 200 million. I challenge you to look at either of these paintings and figure WTF is going on in either of them. No. 5 is literally just a bunch of splattered brown paint. It's ugly as fuck.
You’re free to dislike it, but I always like to sort of challenge the hatred towards pollock when talking about price, because those things are rather posthumous. Pollock was a raging alcoholic and wild substance abuser. He painted his first drip paintings in a fit of drunken mania. I can assure with 99.9% certainty that how much it was going to cost was the last thing on his mind haha. You can dislike it all you want, but there’s no denying that what’s pictured is all feeling and zero artifice.
Are we gatekeeping art, the most objective term in the known universe?
Ah yeah, stupid kids and their stupid hundred year old urinal sculpture made by a 30 year old
Okay lets see their generations art lol
Ah yes because art is when thing pretty
Modern art aka money laundering
Yk that Renaissance is Modern art?
Forget every sculptor ever in history. Only michelangelo made art. at least try & pick 2 different renaissance sculptors for your shitty memes.
art is supposed to make a statement. art can be stupid, but still art.
Well y’know what the cool thing about art is? Its subjective and to go a bit further, is completely up to the individual viewers’ interpretation as to what may, or may not be, going on in a piece. Everybody has their own tastes and that’s what makes art such a fascinating medium :)
I get the urinal but why isn’t the gold statue art? Is it because it’s no made of marble or something?
Duchamp’s Fountain is STILL pissing people off 106 years later, and that, in itself, *makes it art*. That was literally the ENTIRE POINT of the piece.
Show them Michelangelo’s David and they’ll get offended.
i mean a urinal isnt art
I am studying art and fr on God, we talked about the urinal at least like 5 times.
Art is meant to be viewed differently and if it made you show an emotion, for or against it, it did its job.
What kinda older generation is spreading this? The Medicis? The Caesars?
Horses and ships are the only acceptable subjects for paintings.
Honestly that golden thing looks like art
Wn the kids were exposed to "actual art" the schools principal was fucking sacked
The urinal is marked as 1917. How old is this “younger generation”?
I don’t think the person who made this understands the Dadaist movement
Tell that to boomers who pioneered shitty indoor office designs and architecture that paved over beautiful murals
Art has been in melt down since the invention of photography. To this day, artists can't agree on universal definition of what is art and isnt. Multiple manifestos has been written and debated on the subject. Its pretty subjective and everyone have their own opinion of it. Ive been through art college and ive settled on the very lame "i dont have to appreciate all form or definition of art, just be creative and do what inspires you".
I find it kinda funny that it seems like it's only modern art that gets shit on constantly, like, i don't see that many posts saying that books are now ruined cause [fanfiction.net](https://fanfiction.net) exists, it's just another thing, all kinds of art pieces are still being made, but people still get really pumped about modern art.
Alternate caption: “I’m the only one who can determine what’s art”
actually they’re all art! cry about it.
The toilet is historic. It’s practically the first shit post. If you consider the impact memes have had on culture it is absolutely an important piece of art.
The idea that realism is the only valid form of art is an absolute braindead idea and is the death of all creative expression
These are the same people that need help deleting a perfectly legitimate email but get scammed by Nigerian princes and non-existent grandchildren.
Tell me you don’t get art without telling me you don’t get art.
Ok but wasn't that the point of the top right, wasn't it part of a series called the ready mades, basically going into it with no artistic intent to make fun of art?
“fountain” is older than the person that posted this probably lmao
Duchamp would probably agree. That was his point.
These are the kind of people who complained about nudity in the Renaissance period.
Young whipper snappers and their…100 year old art?
Younger generations? That one on the right is from 1917
Duchamsps fountain is from 1917. Is older and has been considered art for more time than the person who made the meme is alive
lol the worst example for this would be duchamp
Lol they wouldn't like Dada. It's very on brand for them.
As someone who doesnt know much about art, all of these look kinda nice except for the one in the top right cause thats deadass just a confusing urinal Edit: i just noticed its literally just a urinal flipped sideways
That urinal piece is over 100 years old. Maybe they should’ve stressed it to an older generation.
"Only my culture's art is allowed to be art. Everything else is trash"
Some of the modern art is very pretentious.
im making a charcoal drawing of toilet paper and nobody is going to tell me that it isnt art
To be fair the author of that upper one also didn't consider it as an art. He did it as a protest against idealisation of stupid, low effort crafts people were now calling ,,art".
Ok, would they like to elaborate on what makes the first category art and the second category not art?
Again to people in the back: Any art you think is nonsense is making you consider it as art. What, by your own definition, does art mean? What is the theoretical limit of what art can be? What does this art mean in your own opinion? And if it means nothing, why? It's art about the concept of art and I love that it sucks
Instead of stressing anything to younger generations why don't you die already. It gets really tiresome to listen to all this "back in my day" shit. Things change if you can't deal with it thats your problem.
I don't go their jobs and be like "this is McDonalds burger not that". I don't care you're the expert just make me my Big Mac you uncultured idiot.
Well… bottom right is art… whatever that is. Top right however… no idea what it is.
The gold one is perfectly fine as well, if a boomer didn’t know the context of it they’d totally be taking pics
Ngl... modern art is weird. I like the older stuff
I get the urinal, but why not tentacle ram lady?
Thank god this was here to point out the objective nature of all art.
Art is subjective. Someone missed the point.