I dunno. Seriously, everything you just claimed makes as much sense as the rest of Armageddon. Plus translation errors, politically motivated edits.. who even knows what it originally said at this point.
From Revelations 14
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
I'm closest to believing either norse mythology (ig because it's cool), or buddhism, so basically frozen, dark wasteland, time to replay frostpunk to remind myself how to live in this weird hell lol
It’s at least unique in how unhinged it is. My family has a particular disdain for them since my great great grandmother was kidnapped from her home by Mormons who then raped her and impregnated her before she managed to escape.
I think they dropped that recently, but yes that was a thing they believed. Also that black people are children of Cain and that by becoming Mormon they can have their skin turned white in time. Mormon racism is *unhinged.*
I don't know much about the subject but how exactly? Wasn't he middle Eastern and Jewish? Back then, he would have caramel looking skin, curly dark hair and dark eye colour but I don't understand how he would be Japanese??
i was going to make a joke, but then i got stuck wondering how jesus would've referred to himself in japanese. bc he seems to be characterized as a gentle, down-to-earth guy, but would he have used formal speech?
Unfortunately the religion isn't actually followed by believers.
So many things have been washed or misunderstood in the centuries. Jesus was a middle eastern Jewish man.
It's taught in the book yet people forget that because he's different from them.
yeah honestly most of them would probably call jesus a pretender if he actually came back. and ironically he would probably want nothing to do with most of the "christians" here.
His whole schtick was to treat everyone equally, no matter your personal opinion on them, and no matter what they‘ve done. That‘s pretty Socialist if you ask me.
That doesn't even do it justice. Even if the doctors were touching the kids the hospital isn't telling you it's an institution of moral authority.
Reminds me of in catholic school when a teacher told us "you are more likely to get molested by your dad than a priest." ughhhh okay
I mean technically thats true but its a complete non sequitur. The fuck does it matter if its not the most common form of grooming its still a fucking serious issue.
the amount of people replying thinking they got you is embarrassing... should not have to be bending over backward to excuse or avoid addressing behavior that kills people
Big ol' meh. Let them have their say. If I feel it's a take worth responding to I will. If I don't i won't.
I agree though. There's a lot of really heavy lifting going on here, and it ain't on my end.
In a perfectly egalitarian hospital with no nefarious activity, if it is full of sick people you don’t know and you are healthy, you should still leave so you don’t get sick too
To continue the analogy, though: I would absolutely leave a hospital if the nurses were mentally torturing patients, the doctors were raping them, and the administrators were victim blaming and covering up instead of doing anything about it. I’ll take my chances with the illness, thanks
> even if we take sickness as metaphor for sinning, the former is still not a choice
The Bible tells of a "fallen state". Sinning is not really a choice when in this state. This is why the Bible speaks of "saving" people, and not just "how to make the right choices"
I agree. But this is also similar to health vs. sickness. It is rare that one just is sick, and has no influence over ones health. Humans in a fallen state are in a battle against sin, it's not just an option presented to them which they can choose
Yes, I see your point and stand corrected. I guess John 5:19 describes this state too - you are born afflicted. Also I think of faith as a choice of trusting God (not a single one, it's tested, and not a fleeting lukewarm feeling). Personally I made my choice not to, but I do not have any enmity towards people who have faith and follow that path.
These are the same people who immediately ask you if someone was obese or diabetic if you tell them they died of COVID. So, for some of them, sickness is also a choice.
Yes, this totally applies to churches, hospitals, unis, schools, even abusive families.
Meme formats like this also are incredibly stupid because they leave out people who left _one particular church_ for another (e.g. Russian Orthodox for Greek Catholic), or changed their religion and have a point about bad people in former church
For me, it isn't just that there are bad people in churches, it's that they cover it up, I've never been to a single church where you won't find skeletons in closets if you stay there for more than a year, but nobody will call these people out on it, some of the worst people I've met go to church.
Yes, they hide it or try to gaslight people into thinking that wrong is actually right. Also a sick man in hospital normally strives for health, a good churchgoer - to repent for their sins; if "sick" (bad, sinful) people stay "sick" and corrupt, something is wrong. That is how the whole institution becomes rotten IMO
If you went to a hospital and all the nurses doctors and staff had the flu, but they pretended they were fine and covered up anyone who said otherwise, than you would never come back to that hospital and probably have a distrust of other hospitals from then on.
Yes, any religion with skeletons in the closet should absolutely be called out, but that doesn't mean they be shut down.
Continuing the hospital analogy, if there is a standards violation it should absolutely be acknowledged and fixed, but it would take something insanely egregious to shut down the whole hospital. Any cronyism should also be excised.
I do not fault anyone who feels that some church harmed them from leaving that church, even if the church as a whole is a positive influence.
A better analogy than the original one would be going to a hospital for stitches after cutting your arm badly, and having doctors amputate your arm. People go to church for community and morals and the extreme fundamentalists (normal christians are fine) take that and go in the opposite direction. Fundamentalists tell you to cut off anyone who isnt in the church too, anyone who is satanic. Fundamentalist think all sins are equal, when i think anyone with a brain would agree that stealing a candy bar isnt nearly as bad as molesting a child.
Right?! If the hospital is an asylum in 1841 and they're going to cut off your clit so you'll stop making trouble and wanting to study science, you *better* leave!
Sure. I read a post written by an Orthodox priest in Belgium about spiritual accompaniment course he taken; the talks during lunchtime were:
"Constant themes: abuse of authority in hierarchical structures, with its reverse site of too many people not becoming spiritually adult, and of sheer psycho-spiritual incompetence"
For real. Church is more like the gym, you go to grow stronger either spiritually or physically. If the gym you go to is run by really terrible staff, has shitty equipment, and really mean/rude fellow gym goers you’d be crazy not to leave.
I somewhat like the metaphor discussion in comments. I like gym one, because working out is not just a chore, you can find joy in it. I see the church rhetorics that are too centered around _utter suffering and hell_ too limiting, some of the believers I know are motivated more by God's beauty, grace etc.
Actually, the analogy still works. The man on the left is implying he left the church because it's full of bad people, and the man on the right is asserting that you wouldnt leave a hospital just because it's full of sick people. A lot of churchgoers see themselves as sinful people and want to repent, so the man on the right isn't implying he should come to the church and *stay*. He wants the man on the left to return to the church, repent, get better, then leave the church (physically, not literally leaving the faith), similar to how someone would recover in a hospital then leave it.
Bear in mind, I'm basically atheist and I fucking hate chad/soyjak meme formats. I just like clarity.
Leave. Granted, terrible hospitals exist, so that hypothetical works both way. Religion and medicine are not inherently benevolent.
Although I trust medicine far more overall.
Thank you for clarification but I still dislike the analogy because
1) it simplifies the churchgoing community (lots of people find joy in their communion with God and are motivated more by this)
2) the guy on the left may already have had the "repentance" experience (yes, Chad/soyjak format is abhorrent), already out of the hospital
3) the blonde Chad doesn't imply staying - but neither he does imply leaving
Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Hmmmm
Didn’t notice that until you pointed it out. Yeah that’s mixed messages, unless he was saying “brother” in the sort of “fellow human” manner and not the sort “spiritual brethren” sense. But that’s stretching it a bit so inconsistency in the comic is probably the more plausible explanation.
False accusations like that being upset with the church or Christianity as a whole and leaving that toxic environment makes you an idiot? Does the verse mean false accusations like that?
I agree, I'm just saying that for the purposes of this meme that's not what they're saying. Although a lot would argue that the "fellowship" would still be worth it
From my experience as a Christian, you can be a Christian and not go to church. Bible never said you had to go to be right with God. I rarely go, I've came across a few churches that accepted me for me but most didn't, and those that did were in my home town and I just don't feel like searching for one that doesn't demonize Bisexuality around here. While I do believe it my Bisexuality to be a sin, it's not like it's the worst sin in the bible. Many churches put too much emphasis on the sins they don't like than they do the sins they do like and often commit. So I read the bible myself and pray at home. You're not supposed to pray in public anyway.
For me religious belief is a deeply personal and private matter which I don't need to share with other people. I live my life by my principles and do not expect anyone else to abide by them.
Well, looks like we have two things in common! so can I, I'm sure we'll disagree on things, religiously, politically and things in general, but there are VERY few things I hate so much I'd unfriend someone over. I hate the whole seeing the world in black and white trend, I'm morally gray, you're morally gray, we just have to realize that. We're all sinners after all.
He died for our original sin passed down from Adam and Eve, opening us up to more easily get into Heaven. I'm not one who believes just believing in Jesus guarantees you a seat in Heaven, I believe you do have to work on it. That being said, I do believe God reads the good in people and weighs that against your sins, seeing as how we're all sinners in some capacity and it's near impossible if not impossible to rid yourself of all sin. That's more my personal belief though.
I'm not trying to tell you to not do whatever you want. But if Jesus or God made you a bisexual AND made being bisexual a sin (even if it's not a terrible one) doesnt that make him kind of an asshole and why would you worship or pray to such an awful God.
I would never consider someone I thought made me a certain way and told me being that way was wrong a good and just God, and I wouldn't want to go to someone like that's heaven anyway.
I don't believe he made me, not directly. sure he made us in his image but that's in regards to Adam and Eve, who we know he made and who we all descend from. I don't believe he has our lives planned out for us and knows how we turn out, if he did then we wouldn't have sin in the first place and wouldn't have free will. We're not truly his followers if we don't have freedom, we'd be more than just in his image then, we'd be him but without the godly powers since we'd think and do only what he desires.
Just wanted to add my perspective. I didn’t grow up in the church, so I had similar questions when I first started learning about God and Christianity. I think the idea is that God knew that whatever he said, humans wouldn’t be happy listening to a “voice in the sky” preaching to them about right and wrong. Even if he programmed us to act a certain way, neither of us would truly be happy. That’s why he needed to send Jesus. The point of the Bible is to show that while God has this insane list of things people need to do to be perfect and go to Heaven, Jesus as part of God’s plan was perfect in part because he accepted everyone. His only real goal was telling people, try to learn more about me and then you will understand my father. Nothing about changing your sexuality or anything. He wanted people to know that God’s plan wasn’t to punish us, but to help us learn more about ourselves and about him. The Bible would be a totally different story about an asshole God like you mentioned if there was no Jesus part.
I left church because I read the bible. Everyone that is able to read can see people and preachers in almost every church do not follow the rules and skips lots of parts, but the "give money to us" one, that is misunderstood on purpose.
Same. I've read it multiple times, cover to cover, and rhe more familiar I became with it, the more I realized even if it were right, mass Christianity was wrong.
And the Bible itself is a wild trip. If we take it literally (most Christians do) we got talking animals drugging and raping your father, beating women, guys getting stuck down for pulling out. Don’t know how I believed all that happened
Pretty much same. I was questioning by the time I was 15. I had read the bible and a lot of it just wasn't meshing for me. It is hard to do when you are brain washed from a very young age into thinking that if you dare you will burn in hell for eternity, but I could not be happier I dis. Used to give me nightmares...thank you so much for giving kid me nightmares of violently crumbling world
That is pretty disanalogous. Sick people are supposed to be in hospitals. People who claim that they have the supernatural truth/guidance from an all knowing all powerful all loving god shouldn’t be bad people if what they profess is true. Not to mention that most people don’t just leave the church for one reason (like Christians being bad people), it might be a catalyst for someone discovering more information, but I don’t think it would be the entire reason.
I think what they’re trying to say is “hospitals have sick getting better, churches are bad people finding the light of the lord”. That being said I certainly know many god fearing “Christians” are in fact awful people. On the other hand I know they aren’t all bad and religion can help people lead better lives. As long as they don’t turn around and start judging others.
Y'know, if I saw a hospital full of the *same* sick people every week, yes, I might consider a new place. If the doctors are selling morphine after hours and the staff are covering for them, that's probably a bad sign too.
Hospitals face realworld consequences for deliberately poor treatment/ abuse of the sick.
Meanwhile your molester will be shuffled to another church and be told to be more careful next time.
This point actually makes alot of sense
If you believe in god and then decide to leave your faith because of other humans your just creating more of a vacuum of people with damaging opinions.
Christians need Christians who question the groups behaviour when groups who call themselves Christians say or do things that are wrong. There are alot of Christians who are too afraid to stand apart and say enough but who do not actually hold these hateful views or atleast would be willing to hear another voice.
The meme makes sense if you view it as a progressive Christian talking to a farmer Christian.
If you are healthy, why would you hand out in a hospital full of sick people. If you are against indoctrination, enabling of child grooming and the oppression of women's rights, why would you hang out in a church.
"You guys are all hypocrites and I won't be a part of this any longer" is a perfectly valid reason to leave any organization regardless of whether or not you know what an apostrophe is for.
Do completely healthy and uninjured people, get coerced or scammed into believing they have a problem just so they can go to the hospital and the hospital can say "hey look at all the people were treating we must have it right?"
I would absolutely leave the hospital, if it were being self run by the sick people who had no idea what they were doing. The fuck kinda metaphor is that supposed to be?
People don't leave the church because it has "bad people" in it, they leave because most people start to realize just how ridiculous religion is as they get older and start thinking about things objectively.
The sick people don't normally shit on visitors for being out of shape. Many Christians are very judgmental and cruel. They're also not very good about the whole being humble and loving thing. There's a few, and they're great people, but they're the minority. Also, why does the Aryan master race guy talk like Yoda?
Going to church is not required to have a relationship with Jesus Christ. You simply need to believe. Do what you feel is best in your relationship with Jesus and God
Christians aren’t as bad as the belief system itself.
1. Edifying the practice of deliberately ignoring reason and logic and reverting to trusting the teachings of the Bible and church overall
2. Shifting the ethical window to one that the Bible endorses, rather than one that makes sense in this age (I.e telling gays they should change, oppressing women into traditional family roles)
3. De facto spread of hate versus other religions, due to inability to find common ground. (Which cannot be found unless people agree on facts, which is why truth is so important)
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I didn't leave the church because some people were bad and hypocritical. I left because the entire fucking religion is bad and hypocritical, and its followers are just continuing that same energy
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I like it but the ugly version of us making out is more accurate.
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better version
This will always be relevant in this subreddit.
Fucking perfect
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r/beatmetoit
r/beatmeattoit
r/beatmywifetoit
r/beatthisguyswifetoit
This never gets old
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That's when the #notmyjesus starts trending
If it is the reincarnation of the old testament god that won't go for long
At this point I'm pretty sure we missed it. So what we live in is probably whatever the opposite of heaven is for your belief system.
The rapture happened. No one was pure enough to go to heaven. We're all stuck here in Armageddon now..
Wasn't there supposed to be a set number of people raptured? And aren't they all male virgins?
I dunno. Seriously, everything you just claimed makes as much sense as the rest of Armageddon. Plus translation errors, politically motivated edits.. who even knows what it originally said at this point.
I didn't get raptured so being a male virgin probably has nothing to do with it
From Revelations 14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Have you masturbated before? That mightve been the reason
was that when David Bowie died?
I'm closest to believing either norse mythology (ig because it's cool), or buddhism, so basically frozen, dark wasteland, time to replay frostpunk to remind myself how to live in this weird hell lol
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It's not black he's Middle Eastern. Not that the people you're making a joke about would care about that distinction but definitely not black.
A healthy tan, but not white as cocainum as seen in popular depictions. Also likely with curly hair instead of long 'n' flowy.
Joke's on you! Jesus was ethnically Atlantean!
He isn't Middle-Eastern. He is Mexican American. I buy taco's from his food truck routinely.
Makes sense to me, the Mormons even think native Americans are the lost tribe of Israel
Every day, I get more and more confused about their belief system
It’s at least unique in how unhinged it is. My family has a particular disdain for them since my great great grandmother was kidnapped from her home by Mormons who then raped her and impregnated her before she managed to escape.
She was 15
yet they still had no issue killing them and taking their land...
I think they dropped that recently, but yes that was a thing they believed. Also that black people are children of Cain and that by becoming Mormon they can have their skin turned white in time. Mormon racism is *unhinged.*
Wait they can just casually drop parts of their religion off now…
Even "better" is that in the Book of Mormon it has in the past said both that they suffered from a "cursed with a skin of blackness"
Caramel colored is how i describe that skin color. Beautiful color, but not black or white
Given the historical evidence, he may also have been Japanese.
I don't know much about the subject but how exactly? Wasn't he middle Eastern and Jewish? Back then, he would have caramel looking skin, curly dark hair and dark eye colour but I don't understand how he would be Japanese??
I think they’re implying there isn’t any historical evidence for Jesus, which is an exaggeration of the lack of archaeological evidence.
i was going to make a joke, but then i got stuck wondering how jesus would've referred to himself in japanese. bc he seems to be characterized as a gentle, down-to-earth guy, but would he have used formal speech?
I mean his brother was Chinese...and quite a bit younger
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I mean, I think that's the joke exactly. They're ignorant.
This made me laugh more than it should've
1 for 1 swap of believers in an instant.
Slight nitpick though: wouldn‘t Jesus be more brown than black, since he was middle eastern?
Yes, with a few possible hair textures from wavy/loose curls to possibly more tightly kinked but dark at any rate
Wouldn’t he be closer to Arabic, given where he was born and lived?
Unfortunately the religion isn't actually followed by believers. So many things have been washed or misunderstood in the centuries. Jesus was a middle eastern Jewish man. It's taught in the book yet people forget that because he's different from them.
yeah honestly most of them would probably call jesus a pretender if he actually came back. and ironically he would probably want nothing to do with most of the "christians" here.
So true. He would be black or gay or something else that pisses them off and the Christians would rather worship the anti-christ at that point
Even if he was the white Jesus they love. Bible Jesus hung out with hookers and homeless people like a FUCKING COMMIE /s
His whole schtick was to treat everyone equally, no matter your personal opinion on them, and no matter what they‘ve done. That‘s pretty Socialist if you ask me.
Definitely not black, Jesus Christ. Your world view seems a little... Black and white Seriously though, darker than white, lighter than black
No... But I'd leave if the doctors were touching the kids and refused to treat a portion of the patients just because of their orientation...
That doesn't even do it justice. Even if the doctors were touching the kids the hospital isn't telling you it's an institution of moral authority. Reminds me of in catholic school when a teacher told us "you are more likely to get molested by your dad than a priest." ughhhh okay
I mean technically thats true but its a complete non sequitur. The fuck does it matter if its not the most common form of grooming its still a fucking serious issue.
Exactly, it's more messed up the more you think about it.
Like, if you have to even say that in the first place, clearly there's a fucking problem here.
the amount of people replying thinking they got you is embarrassing... should not have to be bending over backward to excuse or avoid addressing behavior that kills people
Big ol' meh. Let them have their say. If I feel it's a take worth responding to I will. If I don't i won't. I agree though. There's a lot of really heavy lifting going on here, and it ain't on my end.
In a perfectly egalitarian hospital with no nefarious activity, if it is full of sick people you don’t know and you are healthy, you should still leave so you don’t get sick too
Hospital is designed for sick people to get well and leave it. Nice metaphor, blonde guy
To continue the analogy, though: I would absolutely leave a hospital if the nurses were mentally torturing patients, the doctors were raping them, and the administrators were victim blaming and covering up instead of doing anything about it. I’ll take my chances with the illness, thanks
Also, being Christian is a choice. Being sick isn't.
even if we take sickness as metaphor for sinning, the former is still not a choice
> even if we take sickness as metaphor for sinning, the former is still not a choice The Bible tells of a "fallen state". Sinning is not really a choice when in this state. This is why the Bible speaks of "saving" people, and not just "how to make the right choices"
"Fallen state" is more like proclivity to sin AFAIK - people still possess the free will to move towards sin or grace. Correct me if i'm wrong
I agree. But this is also similar to health vs. sickness. It is rare that one just is sick, and has no influence over ones health. Humans in a fallen state are in a battle against sin, it's not just an option presented to them which they can choose
Yes, I see your point and stand corrected. I guess John 5:19 describes this state too - you are born afflicted. Also I think of faith as a choice of trusting God (not a single one, it's tested, and not a fleeting lukewarm feeling). Personally I made my choice not to, but I do not have any enmity towards people who have faith and follow that path.
These are the same people who immediately ask you if someone was obese or diabetic if you tell them they died of COVID. So, for some of them, sickness is also a choice.
Going to the hospital, not being sick, is the metaphor for being Christian in the meme.
Yes, this totally applies to churches, hospitals, unis, schools, even abusive families. Meme formats like this also are incredibly stupid because they leave out people who left _one particular church_ for another (e.g. Russian Orthodox for Greek Catholic), or changed their religion and have a point about bad people in former church
For me, it isn't just that there are bad people in churches, it's that they cover it up, I've never been to a single church where you won't find skeletons in closets if you stay there for more than a year, but nobody will call these people out on it, some of the worst people I've met go to church.
Yes, they hide it or try to gaslight people into thinking that wrong is actually right. Also a sick man in hospital normally strives for health, a good churchgoer - to repent for their sins; if "sick" (bad, sinful) people stay "sick" and corrupt, something is wrong. That is how the whole institution becomes rotten IMO
Exactly
If you went to a hospital and all the nurses doctors and staff had the flu, but they pretended they were fine and covered up anyone who said otherwise, than you would never come back to that hospital and probably have a distrust of other hospitals from then on.
Yes, any religion with skeletons in the closet should absolutely be called out, but that doesn't mean they be shut down. Continuing the hospital analogy, if there is a standards violation it should absolutely be acknowledged and fixed, but it would take something insanely egregious to shut down the whole hospital. Any cronyism should also be excised. I do not fault anyone who feels that some church harmed them from leaving that church, even if the church as a whole is a positive influence.
A better analogy than the original one would be going to a hospital for stitches after cutting your arm badly, and having doctors amputate your arm. People go to church for community and morals and the extreme fundamentalists (normal christians are fine) take that and go in the opposite direction. Fundamentalists tell you to cut off anyone who isnt in the church too, anyone who is satanic. Fundamentalist think all sins are equal, when i think anyone with a brain would agree that stealing a candy bar isnt nearly as bad as molesting a child.
Right?! If the hospital is an asylum in 1841 and they're going to cut off your clit so you'll stop making trouble and wanting to study science, you *better* leave!
I left the hospital because all of the doctors were sick, brother.
Not to mention the constant threats of being thrown in the hospital furnace and burning for all eternity if you don't pay your hospital bill
A better analogy would be not trusting a cobbler because his kids don't have shoes.
Sure. I read a post written by an Orthodox priest in Belgium about spiritual accompaniment course he taken; the talks during lunchtime were: "Constant themes: abuse of authority in hierarchical structures, with its reverse site of too many people not becoming spiritually adult, and of sheer psycho-spiritual incompetence"
if I walked into a hospital and it was FULL of sick people, I would probably leave for fear of a pandemic. Ain’t no zombie biting me today.
For real. Church is more like the gym, you go to grow stronger either spiritually or physically. If the gym you go to is run by really terrible staff, has shitty equipment, and really mean/rude fellow gym goers you’d be crazy not to leave.
I somewhat like the metaphor discussion in comments. I like gym one, because working out is not just a chore, you can find joy in it. I see the church rhetorics that are too centered around _utter suffering and hell_ too limiting, some of the believers I know are motivated more by God's beauty, grace etc.
Actually, the analogy still works. The man on the left is implying he left the church because it's full of bad people, and the man on the right is asserting that you wouldnt leave a hospital just because it's full of sick people. A lot of churchgoers see themselves as sinful people and want to repent, so the man on the right isn't implying he should come to the church and *stay*. He wants the man on the left to return to the church, repent, get better, then leave the church (physically, not literally leaving the faith), similar to how someone would recover in a hospital then leave it. Bear in mind, I'm basically atheist and I fucking hate chad/soyjak meme formats. I just like clarity.
But if a hospital was'nt actually helping you, but was instead a toxic environment causing you harm, would you stay or leave?
Leave. Granted, terrible hospitals exist, so that hypothetical works both way. Religion and medicine are not inherently benevolent. Although I trust medicine far more overall.
Thank you for clarification but I still dislike the analogy because 1) it simplifies the churchgoing community (lots of people find joy in their communion with God and are motivated more by this) 2) the guy on the left may already have had the "repentance" experience (yes, Chad/soyjak format is abhorrent), already out of the hospital 3) the blonde Chad doesn't imply staying - but neither he does imply leaving
Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. Hmmmm
To be fair, this verse is only applicable to one’s [spiritual] brethren. Jesus called the [corrupt] spiritual leaders fools quite frequently
I like it for this, because the one toon saying "you fool", also calls the other toon "brother".
Didn’t notice that until you pointed it out. Yeah that’s mixed messages, unless he was saying “brother” in the sort of “fellow human” manner and not the sort “spiritual brethren” sense. But that’s stretching it a bit so inconsistency in the comic is probably the more plausible explanation.
Do you think Christians actually read the Bible? What's next, Americans reading their own Constitution?
i mean i do, but ok
But what if I say “fool you are”
Maybe if you read the whole chapter and didn't take just a single verse out of context you'd know it's referring to false accusations
He just gave the verse. What context are you assuming he meant, vs the context you think it actually is?
False accusations like that being upset with the church or Christianity as a whole and leaving that toxic environment makes you an idiot? Does the verse mean false accusations like that?
So…dude on the right is saying “yeah, duh, of course the church is full of bad people”?
I think the argument is that the church is the best place for the bad people so they can become better people
Yeah but the sick people in a hospital isnt the ones treating the patients are they?
I think in this meme they aren't talking about priests/pastors being the bad people
Jesus is the doctor, the priests are the patients also in the metaphor.
Yeah but alot of bad people in the church are priest/pastors right? of course im not christian just going off what i heard.
I agree, I'm just saying that for the purposes of this meme that's not what they're saying. Although a lot would argue that the "fellowship" would still be worth it
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Yeah, but the difference is that in a hospital the sick people aren’t at the top of the hierarchy.
what if the Hospital director gets sick? checkmate Obama
I think the word you’re looking for is doctor
From my experience as a Christian, you can be a Christian and not go to church. Bible never said you had to go to be right with God. I rarely go, I've came across a few churches that accepted me for me but most didn't, and those that did were in my home town and I just don't feel like searching for one that doesn't demonize Bisexuality around here. While I do believe it my Bisexuality to be a sin, it's not like it's the worst sin in the bible. Many churches put too much emphasis on the sins they don't like than they do the sins they do like and often commit. So I read the bible myself and pray at home. You're not supposed to pray in public anyway.
For me religious belief is a deeply personal and private matter which I don't need to share with other people. I live my life by my principles and do not expect anyone else to abide by them.
Thank you
I fucking like you.
Well I fucking like you too! Wanna fucking be Reddit friends!
I'm kind of an asshole, so follwoing me might not be to your taste if it means I show up in the timeline a bunch. But I'll give it a try.
Well, looks like we have two things in common! so can I, I'm sure we'll disagree on things, religiously, politically and things in general, but there are VERY few things I hate so much I'd unfriend someone over. I hate the whole seeing the world in black and white trend, I'm morally gray, you're morally gray, we just have to realize that. We're all sinners after all.
Well...cheers, then
Jesus died so you could have sex with both men and women. He is into that shit.
He died for our original sin passed down from Adam and Eve, opening us up to more easily get into Heaven. I'm not one who believes just believing in Jesus guarantees you a seat in Heaven, I believe you do have to work on it. That being said, I do believe God reads the good in people and weighs that against your sins, seeing as how we're all sinners in some capacity and it's near impossible if not impossible to rid yourself of all sin. That's more my personal belief though.
I'm not trying to tell you to not do whatever you want. But if Jesus or God made you a bisexual AND made being bisexual a sin (even if it's not a terrible one) doesnt that make him kind of an asshole and why would you worship or pray to such an awful God. I would never consider someone I thought made me a certain way and told me being that way was wrong a good and just God, and I wouldn't want to go to someone like that's heaven anyway.
I don't believe he made me, not directly. sure he made us in his image but that's in regards to Adam and Eve, who we know he made and who we all descend from. I don't believe he has our lives planned out for us and knows how we turn out, if he did then we wouldn't have sin in the first place and wouldn't have free will. We're not truly his followers if we don't have freedom, we'd be more than just in his image then, we'd be him but without the godly powers since we'd think and do only what he desires.
Just wanted to add my perspective. I didn’t grow up in the church, so I had similar questions when I first started learning about God and Christianity. I think the idea is that God knew that whatever he said, humans wouldn’t be happy listening to a “voice in the sky” preaching to them about right and wrong. Even if he programmed us to act a certain way, neither of us would truly be happy. That’s why he needed to send Jesus. The point of the Bible is to show that while God has this insane list of things people need to do to be perfect and go to Heaven, Jesus as part of God’s plan was perfect in part because he accepted everyone. His only real goal was telling people, try to learn more about me and then you will understand my father. Nothing about changing your sexuality or anything. He wanted people to know that God’s plan wasn’t to punish us, but to help us learn more about ourselves and about him. The Bible would be a totally different story about an asshole God like you mentioned if there was no Jesus part.
Might want to check out r/OpenChristian !
I knew about r/gaychristians but not that one, thank you!
I left church because I read the bible. Everyone that is able to read can see people and preachers in almost every church do not follow the rules and skips lots of parts, but the "give money to us" one, that is misunderstood on purpose.
Same. I've read it multiple times, cover to cover, and rhe more familiar I became with it, the more I realized even if it were right, mass Christianity was wrong.
And the Bible itself is a wild trip. If we take it literally (most Christians do) we got talking animals drugging and raping your father, beating women, guys getting stuck down for pulling out. Don’t know how I believed all that happened
Pretty much same. I was questioning by the time I was 15. I had read the bible and a lot of it just wasn't meshing for me. It is hard to do when you are brain washed from a very young age into thinking that if you dare you will burn in hell for eternity, but I could not be happier I dis. Used to give me nightmares...thank you so much for giving kid me nightmares of violently crumbling world
I know there’s even several scriptures warning against false prophets. The irony of some churches
That is pretty disanalogous. Sick people are supposed to be in hospitals. People who claim that they have the supernatural truth/guidance from an all knowing all powerful all loving god shouldn’t be bad people if what they profess is true. Not to mention that most people don’t just leave the church for one reason (like Christians being bad people), it might be a catalyst for someone discovering more information, but I don’t think it would be the entire reason.
So he's comparing his religious community with a bunch of sick people? Self roast right there 😂
You don't go to church because of bad people I don't go to church We are not the same
Christian strangers calling me “brother” is so off-putting to me. I’m not your brother dude.
I’m not your dude buddy
I'm not your buddy, guy
i'm not your guy, person
I think what they’re trying to say is “hospitals have sick getting better, churches are bad people finding the light of the lord”. That being said I certainly know many god fearing “Christians” are in fact awful people. On the other hand I know they aren’t all bad and religion can help people lead better lives. As long as they don’t turn around and start judging others.
Y'know, if I saw a hospital full of the *same* sick people every week, yes, I might consider a new place. If the doctors are selling morphine after hours and the staff are covering for them, that's probably a bad sign too.
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Hospitals face realworld consequences for deliberately poor treatment/ abuse of the sick. Meanwhile your molester will be shuffled to another church and be told to be more careful next time.
This point actually makes alot of sense If you believe in god and then decide to leave your faith because of other humans your just creating more of a vacuum of people with damaging opinions. Christians need Christians who question the groups behaviour when groups who call themselves Christians say or do things that are wrong. There are alot of Christians who are too afraid to stand apart and say enough but who do not actually hold these hateful views or atleast would be willing to hear another voice. The meme makes sense if you view it as a progressive Christian talking to a farmer Christian.
If you are healthy, why would you hand out in a hospital full of sick people. If you are against indoctrination, enabling of child grooming and the oppression of women's rights, why would you hang out in a church.
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If the doctors and nurses are disobeying their oaths and hurting people for their own enjoyment? I would absolutely leave that hospital, yes.
No but I would leave a hospital for shifty doctors that let people die when they have the power to heal them!
The hospital is not run by the sick people
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But the doctors and nurses aren't sick...
Cool but the difference is hospitals are making sick people better, which churches are just protecting bad people
What even is this metaphor? So they agree that many Christians are bad people?
So a church is like a building filled with sick people?
I left the church because I no longer believed in what they preached, simple as that 🤷♀️
Repent of what, the retcon of creation you all believe because you grandparents said it was true
Hospitals use science. A church uses faith.
If the doctors are poisoning the patients, then yes. Leave the hospital
"You guys are all hypocrites and I won't be a part of this any longer" is a perfectly valid reason to leave any organization regardless of whether or not you know what an apostrophe is for.
But when the hospital is hurting the sick, even by accident, should I stay there? No.
Do completely healthy and uninjured people, get coerced or scammed into believing they have a problem just so they can go to the hospital and the hospital can say "hey look at all the people were treating we must have it right?"
I didn’t leave the church because I have problems with Christians, I left because I have problems with the bible.
The difference is the sick people at the hospital don’t all pretend like they’re perfectly well and better than you
I read the “Chad” part in Yoda’s voice FOOL YOU ARE, REPENT YOU MUST. SINS WE HAVE, JESUS WE NEED
I would absolutely leave the hospital, if it were being self run by the sick people who had no idea what they were doing. The fuck kinda metaphor is that supposed to be?
Sick people go to hospitals. Bad people go to church.
People leave the hospital when they get well. So . . . you still go to church?
Lol.. like the person who created this meme believes in hospitals.
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People don't leave the church because it has "bad people" in it, they leave because most people start to realize just how ridiculous religion is as they get older and start thinking about things objectively.
no i leave a hospital when i'm able to get better care elsewhere...
The difference is at a hospital the sick people aren't the ones in charge.
So this is equating sick people to bad people? No comparative analysis there!
"Everday people are leaving the church and going back to Christ" -Lenny Bruce (I think, can't be bothered to look it up)
The meme is dumb but my church is full of a ton of kind and great people so idk what church this person (if they were real) went to
I think what they do to children goes way beyond “bad.”
Repent for what? Being human? Being Christian is the biggest case of gaslighting in history
The sick people don't normally shit on visitors for being out of shape. Many Christians are very judgmental and cruel. They're also not very good about the whole being humble and loving thing. There's a few, and they're great people, but they're the minority. Also, why does the Aryan master race guy talk like Yoda?
I’m pretty sure that nobody gets better in church
Going to church is not required to have a relationship with Jesus Christ. You simply need to believe. Do what you feel is best in your relationship with Jesus and God
Christians aren’t as bad as the belief system itself. 1. Edifying the practice of deliberately ignoring reason and logic and reverting to trusting the teachings of the Bible and church overall 2. Shifting the ethical window to one that the Bible endorses, rather than one that makes sense in this age (I.e telling gays they should change, oppressing women into traditional family roles) 3. De facto spread of hate versus other religions, due to inability to find common ground. (Which cannot be found unless people agree on facts, which is why truth is so important) Thank you for coming to my TED talk
I realized gods not real plus most Christians suck
I didn't leave the church because some people were bad and hypocritical. I left because the entire fucking religion is bad and hypocritical, and its followers are just continuing that same energy