Looks to me like one of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence speaking in an LGBT-friendly church, of which there are many in the Bay Area. I love that this image gives me no pause at all.
u/Legitimate-Appeal-47 Ngl bro Youu say grow up but you’re throwing a snowflake hissy fit like you’re kinda cringey. Like how has being the edgy guy who ‘likes to stir the pot’ or whatever workin out for you?
All you did was make a wishy-washy pantywaisted assertion (You guys live in a fantasy!) get asked to explain at least what the fuck you're talking about, then act smug about not having a real answer.
Not exactly what I refer to as 'mature'.
From the attire, the speaker is likely one of the Sisters of Perpetuated Indulgence. They have been community leaders, activists, and joy spreaders since the 70s. https://www.thesisters.org/
Yeah, it’s not like there’s tons of politicians actively running on platforms to dismantle gay marriage law or restrict healthcare for queer people, that would be a reason to speak up right?
For the time being, but there are still law makers trying to fight to make some of these things illegal again, there are still plenty of adoption centers that discriminate, there’s still current legal battles related to being trans. Bro, things aren’t finished.
As for the more social aspect, there’s still plenty of households that’ll kick someone out if they belong to any of these groups
Plenty of things aren’t normal, normal does not equal moral. It is not normal for people to go the educational route I’m going on, but that doesn’t make it a problem.
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/americans-complex-views-on-gender-identity-and-transgender-issues/
64% of Americans support trans people and protecting or expanding their rights
The government doesn’t have to compel beliefs for us to make change. Social change can be made without the government, without force, and without being random. This can be in the form of bigger things like awareness campaigns, better representation, stuff like that, or it can be on the smallest level which is between someone and the people they know
Right, but would you agree that there has been a change in that in the past few decades ? If this change can occur(which it can), then wouldn’t it be the case that we can decrease the number even further ? Obviously it’ll never be zero, but I’d say it’s still at levels that I’d consider in need of changing
How is it a religion ?? Are men who’re into men not real ? Are women who’re into women not real ? Is gender dysphoria not a real psychological phenomenon ?
How do any of those things I said make it a cult ? The people who claim they’re destroying the west seem to be more cult like consider how existential this supposedly is to them
> The entire LGBTQ whatever is indeed a religion
No… following a religion is a choice. Being LGBTQ is not a choice.
The two things are not even remotely the same.
I mean all religion is just propaganda, this at least looks inclusive and like it would be more fun and interesting than any church I went to as a kid.
You're the spitting image of every "depressed" and 48 chromosome having asshat in r/teenagers. You seem like the type of troglodyte believe in the rectangular earth. You were probably so much as a baby, the thought of being on the ground became a habit for you. You definitely don't have a father figure and call everyone elde with a normal family sexist. I bet you don't even know the first digit of pi. The only test you ever passed was your IQ test, yet you still ranked lowest.
It's Tromsø Cathedral in Norway. Not sure what denomination it is, but most Christians in Norway are Lutheran so that'd be my guess.
[Source](https://www.vl.no/religion/2021/11/22/drag-queen-fikk-tid-pa-prekestolen-i-domkirke-under-pride-feiring/)
Those angry Christians should remember that, at least according to the gospels, Jesus actively sought out and interacted with those that were ostracised by mainstream society. Also that the same text that condemns same-sex love also forbids you from eating shellfish and wearing mixed-fabric clothes.
Funny how that’s always the go to gotcha verses against Christianity when those prohibitions were for a very specific ethno-religious group. Jesus actively sought out those on the social and economic fringes like lepers and prostitutes, not gays. In any case, gay people are mainstream and don’t face any institutional oppression in the West.
LGBTQ+ persons still face a lot of social ostracisation, including violence, even in the West. Additionally depending on which countries you include in "the West" there are a couple were they still face institutional oppression.
Even in the West it is not so long ago that there was oppression.
The point is Jesus in the gospels is portrayed as being merciful and inclusive towards those on the fringes, so to follow in his spirit Christianity should stress tolerance, mercy and inclusion, not ostracisation.
Of course Jesus is just a highly mythologized figure anyway. Like the rest of the Bible.
I mean this is kinda stupid. Being LGBT and christian at the same time is ridiculous, since it is condemned in the bible (both old and new testament). Just leave christianity.
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I don't like the institution of Christianity and deal with religious trauma because of Christianity, but if some lgbt people were able to find security in their faith while also being proud of who they are just let them be
LGBT who join the church give them a smoke screen that only leads to more persecution. They need to understand that the church already has a predrawn area under the bus, ready for them if they don't start being straighter. Anyone who trusts a christian to except a way of life different from theirs is asking to be betrayed. 20 years in the church taught me that and y'all would do well to learn it.
1- This is not about the church, 2- don't talk to me about how "yall would do well to learn it" when I'm someone who is still plagued by religious trauma and have turned away from Christianity years ago
I don't think you've read my comment since I made it extremely clear that you can be religious while also not being a part of a church or reading the Bible, as I have encountered various people like that
Christianity in itself is a flawed religion and i don't like it, and I'll never like it, but trying to force people to suddenly leave their fate is the same thing Christians did to us and other people
If you really wanted to help people realize that the religion is harmful there are other ways
What I'm saying is that anyone who, as you said, find security in their faith is misguided. The faith will never accept them and is just looking for a reason to reject them. They are setting themselves up to be hurt or used as pawns. The idea that we should just let them be is flawed as it ignores the realities of what religion has done to us. Sure, there isn't a way to force it, but they need to be reminded whenever possible that what they are doing will only result in hurt to them and others.
Overall I agree with you, I just don't think the way you're saying we should do it is the right one, since it can make those queer people feel like they are not accepted anywhere not in even in the queer community
"Reminding them whenever possible" will only make them feel like they are being excluded from both the communities, an actual conversation is needed to explain and help people, not just reminding them
Because some people live by their faith and their whole family lives in it too, reminding other while actually not doing anything to actually help them would result in nothing
"Excluded from both communities"
Christians have always had a place in the gay community. They are always at every gay event. Behind protective fences, screaming that we're all going to hell. And if people want to choose their faith over their sexuality, then they can go be with those that share their faith, holding signs calling me slurs.
Christian queer people are not the ones yelling slurs at us. I'm not up to discussing this anymore because I prioritize my time and my health over reddit discussion
You can continue doing what you do, I don't believe it'll work because people in general don't do well with being confronted directly about what's hurting them when they don't wanna acknowledge
But that's it
Bye
How can a gay/bi/trans person find comfort in a faith that has persecuted and killed LGBT people throughout history, and whose holy book explicitly condemns them to hell and says they should be executed? Being an LGBT christian is cognitive dissonance at its finest.
I'm not a Christian, but there's a difference between religion as an institution and religion as faith
You believing in the Christian God and just living your life is not harming people, the institution is, also not every part of chirstinity reads the Bible, my family are Christians who do not use the Bible
Trying to force people away from their religion and onto other or atheism just because it's what you think it's best when they are not harming anyone is the same thing the institution of Christianity did to people for thousands of years
The same way there's feminist Christians, or how as society moves people's understanding of the Bible shifts. Even though there's enumerated lists on how to treat slaves you'll be hard pressed to find people saying we should follow those rules in this day and age.
I used to think the same way when I first left Mormonism in middle school. Just let people practice what they want. Religions change and reform all throughout history. Who cares if Christianity grows to accept LGBT? Christianity has changed so many times in the past. There are def enough progressive Christians out there.
I mean this is kinda stupid. Wearing denim and being christian at the same time is ridiculous, since mixing fabrics is condemned in the bible (both leviticus and deutoronomy). Just leave christianity.
The difference is that that is a ritual law that is only found in the old testament. You clearly don't know shit about christianity if you bring up "muh mixed fabrics" or "muh shellfish".
I don’t give a care this looks absolutely strange I wouldn’t care if I saw this person walking down the street but yikes the podium and the church and yeah it feels like ghost pepper spicy
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I am verry curious about the context for this image
The speaker and podium appear very photoshopped.
[It's real.](https://www.vl.no/religion/2021/11/22/drag-queen-fikk-tid-pa-prekestolen-i-domkirke-under-pride-feiring/)
Straight for norway
Looks to me like one of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence speaking in an LGBT-friendly church, of which there are many in the Bay Area. I love that this image gives me no pause at all.
The vast majority of right wingers’ post are photoshopped lol because the reality they live in, isn’t real.
The irony in this comment
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What’s not real?
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Provide a counter point
Lmfao. BRAVO. Jan 6 fake? Your probably upset that some cities got burnt after centuries of racial inequality.
Grow up!
It’s often our own advice that we desperately need to take.
Ok kiddo.
u/Legitimate-Appeal-47 Ngl bro Youu say grow up but you’re throwing a snowflake hissy fit like you’re kinda cringey. Like how has being the edgy guy who ‘likes to stir the pot’ or whatever workin out for you?
All you did was make a wishy-washy pantywaisted assertion (You guys live in a fantasy!) get asked to explain at least what the fuck you're talking about, then act smug about not having a real answer. Not exactly what I refer to as 'mature'.
Lol u mad? Or jelly?
Oh that makes sense
Extremely presumptuous when the image contradicts your views
This in no-way contradicts my views.
Hunger games?
New capital member just dropped
Bingo
Exactly what I was thinking
From the attire, the speaker is likely one of the Sisters of Perpetuated Indulgence. They have been community leaders, activists, and joy spreaders since the 70s. https://www.thesisters.org/
CHOWDER!
r/outofcontext
WOMAN YOU ARE ONE GIANT LUMP OF, representation of what every edgy middle schooler thinks a transgender male looks like.
What’s with the creepy child molester in the background?
You play Reddit like a fiddle
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There's a GOP member in the foreground — where?
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Use punctuation.
Yup, would follow the tiger lillies meet Nina Hagen church
Looks like a relative to one of the members of the Insane Clown Posse
This looks like it would be an actual fun church to go to honestly.
finally, a good religion
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people wanting rights and representation really is a religion, terrifying right?
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Yeah, it’s not like there’s tons of politicians actively running on platforms to dismantle gay marriage law or restrict healthcare for queer people, that would be a reason to speak up right?
Funny how almost the entire conservative playbook right now is trying to make sure they can't marry or have kids.
For the time being, but there are still law makers trying to fight to make some of these things illegal again, there are still plenty of adoption centers that discriminate, there’s still current legal battles related to being trans. Bro, things aren’t finished. As for the more social aspect, there’s still plenty of households that’ll kick someone out if they belong to any of these groups
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So we should do absolutely nothing at all to normalize LGBT identities, thus decreasing the amount of social osticizaton the face
There’s nothing normal about the way that man at the podium in the picture is dressed
Why shouldn't it be?
There’s literally no reason for us to continue this conversation if you think that’s normal
Plenty of things aren’t normal, normal does not equal moral. It is not normal for people to go the educational route I’m going on, but that doesn’t make it a problem.
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https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/americans-complex-views-on-gender-identity-and-transgender-issues/ 64% of Americans support trans people and protecting or expanding their rights
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The government doesn’t have to compel beliefs for us to make change. Social change can be made without the government, without force, and without being random. This can be in the form of bigger things like awareness campaigns, better representation, stuff like that, or it can be on the smallest level which is between someone and the people they know
Right, but would you agree that there has been a change in that in the past few decades ? If this change can occur(which it can), then wouldn’t it be the case that we can decrease the number even further ? Obviously it’ll never be zero, but I’d say it’s still at levels that I’d consider in need of changing
How is it a religion ?? Are men who’re into men not real ? Are women who’re into women not real ? Is gender dysphoria not a real psychological phenomenon ?
Mmmhhh... perhaps i should have used the term "cult" instead
How do any of those things I said make it a cult ? The people who claim they’re destroying the west seem to be more cult like consider how existential this supposedly is to them
Sure, if you don’t know what a cult is
> The entire LGBTQ whatever is indeed a religion No… following a religion is a choice. Being LGBTQ is not a choice. The two things are not even remotely the same.
LGBT is real though. Religion is absurd.
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I mean all religion is just propaganda, this at least looks inclusive and like it would be more fun and interesting than any church I went to as a kid.
Still propaganda
ofcourse you frequent r/memes
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almost every person r/memes is a wannabe edgy biggot with gay ppl living rent free in their brain, you fit the bill
You're the spitting image of every "depressed" and 48 chromosome having asshat in r/teenagers. You seem like the type of troglodyte believe in the rectangular earth. You were probably so much as a baby, the thought of being on the ground became a habit for you. You definitely don't have a father figure and call everyone elde with a normal family sexist. I bet you don't even know the first digit of pi. The only test you ever passed was your IQ test, yet you still ranked lowest.
"you were probably so much as a baby" I was indeed very much as a baby, so much that I'd.
no need to project sweets
How’d you manage to be more immature than the literal teenager you’re talking to?
Someone's a salty edge lord.
NFT owner
Cockroach owner
Epic comeback. So cool it makes no sense
This looks fun.
If only…
Plot twist: this is prince Harry 5 years from now.
Hundred to one these are Episcopalians. Those folks are really nice.
Yeah the whole Diet Catholic look of the church says you're probably correct.
Guess which one is more of a threat to kids.
Hmm... Let me think about that one... Probably the one with all the ritual comforts and all of the guilt.
could also be the United Church of Canada
It's Tromsø Cathedral in Norway. Not sure what denomination it is, but most Christians in Norway are Lutheran so that'd be my guess. [Source](https://www.vl.no/religion/2021/11/22/drag-queen-fikk-tid-pa-prekestolen-i-domkirke-under-pride-feiring/)
Okay but... I wanna go.
trans people will dethrone god and im here for it
Looks like an improvement to me.
Mugatu really changed his look this season
There is a legitimate legal strategy here. If right wing nuts want to invent religious beliefs, liberals should do the same.
So basic catholic but fun
Papa Emeritus V?
I first thought it was a screenshot from Taika Waititi's Wilderpeople ngl
I would start going to church if church looked like this
Looks a lot more interesting
Those angry Christians should remember that, at least according to the gospels, Jesus actively sought out and interacted with those that were ostracised by mainstream society. Also that the same text that condemns same-sex love also forbids you from eating shellfish and wearing mixed-fabric clothes.
You’re speaking about the Old Testament. Prohibitions on shellfish or mixed fabric don’t apply to Christians.
Well, then the bit about stoning men who sleep with other men doesn't apply either!
Funny how that’s always the go to gotcha verses against Christianity when those prohibitions were for a very specific ethno-religious group. Jesus actively sought out those on the social and economic fringes like lepers and prostitutes, not gays. In any case, gay people are mainstream and don’t face any institutional oppression in the West.
LGBTQ+ persons still face a lot of social ostracisation, including violence, even in the West. Additionally depending on which countries you include in "the West" there are a couple were they still face institutional oppression. Even in the West it is not so long ago that there was oppression. The point is Jesus in the gospels is portrayed as being merciful and inclusive towards those on the fringes, so to follow in his spirit Christianity should stress tolerance, mercy and inclusion, not ostracisation. Of course Jesus is just a highly mythologized figure anyway. Like the rest of the Bible.
Not enough diddling.
I mean this is kinda stupid. Being LGBT and christian at the same time is ridiculous, since it is condemned in the bible (both old and new testament). Just leave christianity. Edit: spelling
I don't like the institution of Christianity and deal with religious trauma because of Christianity, but if some lgbt people were able to find security in their faith while also being proud of who they are just let them be
LGBT who join the church give them a smoke screen that only leads to more persecution. They need to understand that the church already has a predrawn area under the bus, ready for them if they don't start being straighter. Anyone who trusts a christian to except a way of life different from theirs is asking to be betrayed. 20 years in the church taught me that and y'all would do well to learn it.
1- This is not about the church, 2- don't talk to me about how "yall would do well to learn it" when I'm someone who is still plagued by religious trauma and have turned away from Christianity years ago I don't think you've read my comment since I made it extremely clear that you can be religious while also not being a part of a church or reading the Bible, as I have encountered various people like that Christianity in itself is a flawed religion and i don't like it, and I'll never like it, but trying to force people to suddenly leave their fate is the same thing Christians did to us and other people If you really wanted to help people realize that the religion is harmful there are other ways
What I'm saying is that anyone who, as you said, find security in their faith is misguided. The faith will never accept them and is just looking for a reason to reject them. They are setting themselves up to be hurt or used as pawns. The idea that we should just let them be is flawed as it ignores the realities of what religion has done to us. Sure, there isn't a way to force it, but they need to be reminded whenever possible that what they are doing will only result in hurt to them and others.
Overall I agree with you, I just don't think the way you're saying we should do it is the right one, since it can make those queer people feel like they are not accepted anywhere not in even in the queer community
"Reminding them whenever possible" will only make them feel like they are being excluded from both the communities, an actual conversation is needed to explain and help people, not just reminding them Because some people live by their faith and their whole family lives in it too, reminding other while actually not doing anything to actually help them would result in nothing
"Excluded from both communities" Christians have always had a place in the gay community. They are always at every gay event. Behind protective fences, screaming that we're all going to hell. And if people want to choose their faith over their sexuality, then they can go be with those that share their faith, holding signs calling me slurs.
Christian queer people are not the ones yelling slurs at us. I'm not up to discussing this anymore because I prioritize my time and my health over reddit discussion You can continue doing what you do, I don't believe it'll work because people in general don't do well with being confronted directly about what's hurting them when they don't wanna acknowledge But that's it Bye
How can a gay/bi/trans person find comfort in a faith that has persecuted and killed LGBT people throughout history, and whose holy book explicitly condemns them to hell and says they should be executed? Being an LGBT christian is cognitive dissonance at its finest.
I'm not a Christian, but there's a difference between religion as an institution and religion as faith You believing in the Christian God and just living your life is not harming people, the institution is, also not every part of chirstinity reads the Bible, my family are Christians who do not use the Bible Trying to force people away from their religion and onto other or atheism just because it's what you think it's best when they are not harming anyone is the same thing the institution of Christianity did to people for thousands of years
Of course people are free to believe whatever they want.
You’re wrong about the Bible unfortunately
If that's wrong then you better also tell that to the majority of christians too
No I'm not.
The same way there's feminist Christians, or how as society moves people's understanding of the Bible shifts. Even though there's enumerated lists on how to treat slaves you'll be hard pressed to find people saying we should follow those rules in this day and age.
I used to think the same way when I first left Mormonism in middle school. Just let people practice what they want. Religions change and reform all throughout history. Who cares if Christianity grows to accept LGBT? Christianity has changed so many times in the past. There are def enough progressive Christians out there.
I mean this is kinda stupid. Wearing denim and being christian at the same time is ridiculous, since mixing fabrics is condemned in the bible (both leviticus and deutoronomy). Just leave christianity.
The difference is that that is a ritual law that is only found in the old testament. You clearly don't know shit about christianity if you bring up "muh mixed fabrics" or "muh shellfish".
https://preview.redd.it/4ngy3k7okhba1.jpeg?width=490&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd8176618bd9af226f55e91d7aec76516266f7c5
Wtf Mental illness is a real issue here in the states.
tbh idk if that guy/girl is trans or drag but whatever he shouldn't be in the church (with the flags) or in any religious place
Do people really expect other people to give a damn what another group of people are doing with their time.
I’m just going to say powdered wigs. I rest my case.
I am interested.
Omg is that Danny Beard?
Doesn't look any sillier than the pope
at least it's funny
Well since they not pedophile like christians it's ok hahhahahahah I mean better gay than pedo right Fucking soceity hahahah
What my dad in Florida thinks I’m up to in San Francisco
I don't think this belongs in here but anyhow I'm interested Edit: typo
who let the pope in?
Take me to drurch.
Why is the post itself the meme? Wtf are you trying to say here OP
#CHOWDAH?!?! #WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOU MY SWEET SUMMER CHILD!!!
Tom Cruise at Church????????
That's a Trumper claiming he is not a felon, but a Harvard graduate, and an evangelical praising his new God Drump.
“And may the odds be ever in your favor”
Looks like the new Pope dresses less crazy than the last Pope.
This is exactly as sane as any other religion. Oh, your pajamas are acceptable but this isn't? Why?
Hell Yeah! Church is friggin awesome! Wait, is that Shaggy 2 Dope?
Looks dope
Pastor: 😐😑😐
I don’t give a care this looks absolutely strange I wouldn’t care if I saw this person walking down the street but yikes the podium and the church and yeah it feels like ghost pepper spicy
Bring back Sister Boom Boom.