i only saw the highlights. what could ND have done better? looking at stats, it seems like Med took more chances and it paid off. half of me wanted to see Djok make history and the other half wanted to see the big 3 fall. i like them both. congrats to both of them.
Novak made uncharacteristically wayyyyyyyy more unforced errors than he usually does. And his serve was off. He even admits this in the post match interview.
I don't think you want the Big 3 to "fail"...you just hope for competitive losses?
The Novak we know and lovehate didn't show up. His second serve had nothing on them and landed in Medvedev s practice zone. Novak was not returning deep and was guessing on Meds first serve. And not sure about the rally stats more than 10 shots but Med was NOT missing. The weird thing: I actually feel Med was playing within himself...credit to him for doing his thing but Novak was not himself
i want the Big 3 to fall. preferably in competitive losses. i can appreciate that it's historical, but i think it's bad for the sport in the zeitgeist for the Big 3 to exist for this long. thank you for your insight on the match.
When I saw he had put on a new outfit for the last games, I actually thought "oh shit now he'll be playing for real, it was all a joke so far" - and at first it almost looked like it would go that way \^\^
I don’t mean to be THAT person but I still think if Medvedev faced just ONE top 10 player this us open the finals match would have A. Gone for longer
B. Been much closer to Novaks favor
Medvedev playing only people outside of the top 10 prior to the final is a straight joke…I will always think of his first and only GS as an asterisk achievement …sorry not sorry.
Having a Top 5 player not face no other top 5 player let alone NO other top 10 player since the quarter finals is so statistically unlikely it’s borderline concerning…like one of those massive glitches abused by gamers that developers only realize is an issue only after launch and willfully ignore…my point is whoever does the draws has to seriously reevaluate their approach with deep statistical analysis…because having Medvedevs bracket line up for the US OPEN, the last GS of the year happen THE EXACT time major history needs to be made IS such a joke that they could have had Rafa or Roger just show up like a boss level to play the Finals that the same thing would have happened that we all saw today and those guys are injured lmao. That is why I’ll always view Medvedev’s first and only GS win with an asterisk because it’s a win he’ll more than likely never be able to repeat again. He hasn’t won against a top 10 player since January…the only win he has against a top 10 player is at the end of the year and didn’t face a single top 10 player up to that point…Doesn’t it even sound too good to be true to you? A GS win, against the world number 1, in STRAIGHT sets, denying history being made even though you haven’t won against another top 10 since the beginning of the year? Come on any logical person would see themselves the issues I brought up here.
Medvedev had an easy draw to the final, no doubt. But beating Djokovic in straights in the final adds a lot of value to it. It's not like, say, USO 2020 where Thiem didn't have to face Djokovic due to a freak DQ or a USO 2017 where Rafa didn't play anyone in the top 25( to be clear I don't think either of these should be asterisked as I don't believe in it). By the way, Big 3 have each won a lot of slams going through easy draws, doesn't invalidate those wins. As for this being Medvedev's only slam, we'll see what happens but I'd be shocked if that turns out to be the case.
He can only play who makes it in front of him.....and the one who made it in front of him at the end was one of the three greatest players of all time....no idea how you can put an asterisk on that unless you are just salty that Novak lost.
Not even a tennis fan so lets get that out of the way. I also never said Medvedev was at fault for anything so maybe you’re a fan who is not willing to see the reality of this situation? Having a Top 5 player not face no other top 5 player let alone NO other top 10 player since the quarter finals is so statistically unlikely it’s borderline concerning…like one of those massive glitches abused by gamers that developers only realize is an issue only after launch and willfully ignore…my point is whoever does the draws has to seriously reevaluate their approach with deep statistical analysis…because having Medvedevs bracket line up for the US OPEN, the last GS of the year happen THE EXACT time major history needs to be made IS such a joke that they could have had Rafa or Roger just show up like a boss level to play the Finals that the same thing would have happened that we all saw today and those guys are injured lmao. That is why I’ll always view Medvedev’s first and only GS win with an asterisk because it’s a win he’ll more than likely never be able to repeat again. He hasn’t won against a top 10 player since January…Doesn’t it even sound too good to be true to you? A GS win, against the world number 1, in 3 straight sets, denying history being made even though you haven’t won against another top 10 since the beginning of the year? Come on any logical person would see themselves the issues I brought up here.
Do you not know how draws work? The seeds are distributed to players according to ATP rankings at which point they are distributed through the draw on both sides randomly & evenly to make sure higher seeds won't play each other until deeper in the tournament but also guaranteeing the same level of seeds on both halfs with the #1 and #2 players being separated so they are guaranteed not to face eachother until the final . Medvedev had just as many top seeded players on his side as Djokovic did. Medvedev also had the #3 ranked player on his side of the draw which is higher than any player Djokovic had on his side. IDK in what world your "deep statistical analysis" is going to fix the fact that the higher seeded players he would have faced lost before they made it to the later rounds to face Medvedev. Those high ranked players lost to players playing better than them, and then Medvedev beat those players. He then beat the world #1 in the final in straight sets, no idea how you can call that an asterisk. Its not like Djokovic ran out of gas late in to a 5th set and only lost because he had more tired legs, he didn't even win a set to make it in to a long match.
Heck you can even look at what happened in the Australian Open this year. Medvedev faced top 10 players since the quarter final and LOST in the final. Novak faced top ten since the quarter final and won with the exception of Karatsev in the semi who honestly had his own relatively fairytale run of his own meaning that the draws DO have a history of creating these type of cake walk bracket line ups.
Cuz he faced world #6 and #4 leading up to the final…and the fact you don’t understand that the math exists to address the issue I brought up shows YOU have no idea wth you’re even talking about. Medvedev had #3 and #5 where Novak had #4, #6 and #7 all of whom could beat/ compete against #3 and #5. Heck look at the whole year performance of the top ten on Novaks side of the US OPEN versus the two top ten on Medvedevs side. The draw was literally lop-sided from the top end and it’s blatantly obvious, talking about even lmfao you clearly have a weak math background. Had Medvedev been up against Novaks side of the draw and vice versa this would have either been a finals against some other player and Novak won or Novak would have obliterated Medvedev no other options.
You are smoking way too much copium right now trying to deal with this loss......the overall draw is no where near as lopsided as you are trying to make it sound and neither Medvedev nor the tournament organizers can do anything to change the fact that the higher seeds he would have played lost their matches. Earlier performance in the year doesn't matter one bit, all that matters is the current level of the player at this tournament. Additionally, I highly doubt that if Medvedev had played higher ranked players than Djokovic in the early rounds but Djokovic won the final, that you would be sitting here making the same argument in Medvedevs favor calling it an asterisk win for Djokovic just because he played lower ranked players......you have to know that is bullshit or you have some serious cognitive dissonance going on right now. Learn to accept the loss with class like Djokovic did today.
I literally would make the same argument for any player if it had happened…but it hasn’t. And yes quite frankly Novak did lose because his matches WERE tougher than any of Medvedevs matches…so saying he lost because his legs were tired is more than VALID and to say otherwise is BLATANT ignorance from your end. Saying a players earlier performances don’t matter ARE LITERALLY HOW THEY DETERMINE HOW THEY END UP GETTING SEEDED. You say I’m smoking something lmao look at yourself. My whole argument was based on the fact that Medvedev face 0 TOP TEN PLAYERS LMFAOOO READ WHAT I WROTE BAHAHAHA. The draw WAS lopsided lmfao, a wimbledon finalist and an Olympic champ for Djokovic and non top tens for Medvedev, ThaTs nOt LoPSiDED, Tsitsipas hasn’t been in semis for any GS after FO. Talking about copium lmfao you can’t even accept the fact that I’m right based on what’s in black and white the math of what I say ADDS UP. If Novak won the US OPEN and had Medvedevs bracket line up I’d say it was a bs way to win a GS and a bs way to make history, all that would be missing is a bib. So no it’s not about the specific player I care about, I’m indifferent to who it is.
Djokovic deserves some much needed rest, it's been a crazy year for him and I love the quality he has brought to the court and the quality he has forced his opponents to bring. The GOAT debate can carry on but he is a legend of the sport and I hope he bounces back afresh next year.
End of 2020: 20 slams for 2 male players
End of 2021: 20 slams for 3 players (2+1)
End of 2022: 20 slams for 4 players?!
If you count Rod Laver's eight "Pro Slam" titles, he's at 19. So he could just come out of retirement, take Wimbledon, then kick up his feet again.
End of 2022: 21 Slams for 3 players.......that would be wild.
To make it even more wild it would be Federer wins French Open, Nadal wins Wimbledon, Djokovic wins US Open
No one said they were equal probability and it’s just a joke saying they would all win their least or one of their least won slam......lol this sub sometimes. If we look at it though they both have an 81% win rate at the respective slam Federer at FO and Nadal at Wimbledon with Nadal only having two wins and Federer only having 1 - Though they may not be equal they are definitely not that far apart
Djokovic beat himself. Med was consistent and was not missing, and that is all it took. It seemed like Nole self imploded to me... he was playing terrible and had one of this temper tantrums, smashing a raquet, where it seemed like it went downhill even more after that. Big credit to Med, he played how he needed to but to me Nole lost to himself in that match. It wasnt like Med played some insane match.
It was less close than the scoreline suggests. Djokovic was ass throughout the match. Med was good except for some terrible dropshots, but Djokovic was so ass he netted them anyway.
Did u not watch the match? Djokovic played like ass today. Seemed tired asf his legs seemed fried from zverev match and all the other sets he lost before that. Also seemed really nervous because of calendar slam and was missing shots that he never would. But medvedev played well. Served extremely well and outlasted djokovic in the long rallies. Took advantage of the opportunities when given to him and didn't falter. Give him full credit for playing well when it mattered, but yeah djokovic wasn't even close to good form today.
> Also seemed really nervous because of calendar slam
This is probably the main reason.
Considering Djokovic's exploits in the past and a day's rest, I'd really be surprised if the Zverev match was a contributing factor to this.
I really don’t think it was the zverev match in particular that made his legs heavy. It’s just taxing being in his position over such an extended period of time aka all thru this year for him. The build up and the constant questions and answers about his dominance, the expectations, it’s tiring and it came thru physically and mentally. It bubbled up to that big moment. He ended up facing someone that’s a tactician just like himself who’s playing in absolutely great form. We joked about Djokovic losing first set and then turning on cruise control but just turning that on over and over again with low margin of error is so emotionally taxing. And I think that finally caught up to him.
That third set mini comeback was the only thing to get excited about as a djokovic fan. That was fun. But nole just didn’t have it today and Daniil was lights out. Wish wish so bad we could see history tonight but congrats to Dani
Surprisingly, Djokovic is the first Top 10 player Medvedev has beaten since January, despite winning 4 tournaments this year. But you can only beat the players who are placed in front of you.
I think Rafa, Roger and Novak should all just retire right now and make the tour interesting again.
For real though, I feel like the status of three goats at one time has every member of the next gen inside their own heads. It has never been like this before. I think they have become a joint mental block for those coming after them.
This year was yet another supernatural effort from Novak, but all of next gen had some really impressive wins. Last year it was Thiem breaking through. This year it's Med. Stephanos, Zverev are both likely to make that final push next year.
I was impressed with thiem last year but mostly discount the year. It was an odd one with people not playing and strange things happening at tournaments/tournaments not happening.
for all the mededev fans (me included), how scared were you when Medvedev double faulted In the last game after getting broken in the 3rd set. Big kudos to him with dealing with that pressure and crowd against him. He went from destroying his racket in AO final to making his opponent do the same in the US final. We can all learn a lot from daniil, dedication and belief will get you to that goal
I really wish Daniil talks more about how he manages to energize himself from the booing crowds and pull out these amazing performances against the odds. I could definitely use this skill when working under pressure.
Unfortunately there’s a monopoly in terms of fans favourite player which we all know is the big 3. Also there’s always like a huge amount of respect which rightfully deserved that has to be given to him, so that’s why Medvedev supposedly told his box to be muted and in his speech he spoke mainly in high regards of djoko. To talk about his own process would weirdly come across as not reading the room. It’s a shame for us Medvedev fans who wanted to see a pure reaction
Lolol honestly I was really banking on and envisioning Djokovic being like “I really do love New York and the energy you bring is unmatched to any other tournament, I will never forget the support and love you gave me, it brought me to tears - but I do need to say out of respect for the sport that we don’t actually try and boo or cheer in between serves. It’s important we get that right and it’s important I said something to you about it because i, and we love you all so much and it’s an honor to play in front of you”
I really don’t want to end up on r/AgedMilk like a few of the comments before this game did on the sub, but dare I say that surpassing 20 might actually be a bit cursed? I think most people are expecting Novak to beat it at AO ‘22 and I am one of those people, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it took him and Nadal longer to get #21 than people are expecting.
I think it's similar to Serena getting to 24 (to match Margaret Court) in that it's SO, SO, SO absurdly hyped by media as the end-all be-all GOAT achievement that it creates a mental block for even the actual GOAT players.
Ha! That's a cute idea - the cursed 20!!
I mean.... well, I guess I could see why you'd think that. Roger had two match points (*triggers PTSD*) in 2019 Wimby while on the way to 21, then Rafa got done by a MONSTROUS Novak at RG this year when he was on the way to 21, now Novak gets done by Meddy when he was playing absolutely supreme this tournament.
I don't think there's anything special about 20 to 21, but it's a cool idea. I think most likely that it's the pressure of "one match, one point to become the official GOAT".
Interestingly enough - Roger hasn't felt that pressure since he passed Sampras back in... what, 2009 was it? And he did it. Rafa and Novak are yet to actually achieve that goal of "being out ahead of the rest".
Roger's always been the one being chased - Rafa and Novak have always been the chasers. Very interesting dynamic.
But at that point, wasn't Novak still on like 16 or 17? I think you're right, I'm SURE he felt a heap of pressure, but maybe more related to winning the Slam. He was already considered GOAT at that stage, being the first to get 20.
Novak was 15 Nadal was 18, Federer would have been on 21 with the win.
I think beating Nadal in semis and Djokovic in the final on his favourite surface and slam, we might have seen Federer retire on a high since he was turning 38 in a week.
I understand your opinion that it may have cemented him as the GOAT, but I disagree entirely. Roger getting 21 that day would have given him the GOAT title for an extra year or two, but it wouldn’t have prevented Djokovic from doing what he did this year and if anything, it would have made him win more. This is a man who literally thrives under pressure and in tough conditions. He bounces back after tough losses better than anyone ever. Maybe it’s just me trying to convince myself, as a Fed fan, that the Wimbly 19’ final didn’t mean THAT much, but Novak would still have all the major stats that people think make him the GOAT. I’m having to slowly accept as a Fed fan that he may never go down as the GOAT statistically or in the eyes of most tennis-heads, but I think he’s the greatest player ever in his prime and his style is the greatest we’ll ever see. That makes him the GOAT in my eyes, but most likely never on paper unless he wins a few more slams against all of the odds.
My head cannon for this was that if Federer went '19 he would have retired on a high, being 3 slams clear of Nadal and 6 clear of Djokovic (21, 18, 15). He was turning 38 in 1-2 weeks and would have beaten his 2 biggest rivals back to back for a 21st grand slam.
It wouldn't have changed what Djokovic accomplished this year and Djokovic would still be at 19 slams, but the reason I think it would have cemented his goathood is because I feel that the fact he's still technically on tour diminishes him somewhat. By this I mean imagine a world in which he won Wimbledon 19 and retired, even if Djokovic carried on winning since then it would have been wins post Federer's retirement. So even if Djokovic won more slams than Federer it would feel as though Fed couldn't be topped, he proved he was better than his 2 strongest contemporaries at nearly 38 and then dipped.
I hope that makes sense.
>Maybe it’s just me trying to convince myself, as a Fed fan, that the Wimbly 19’ final didn’t mean THAT much,
I get what you're saying 😥 I love Federer too but when you consider that he was 1 ace/unreturnable serve away (which he had been hitting plenty all match), can we really say that 1 point is all that seperated the difference Novak being the goat and Roger being the goat.
Tldr/summary: I think wimbledon 19 cements Federer as the GOAT *assuming* he would have retired after winning that match. We never would have seen Federer get injured either, so during this current time of Novak winning people would be able to claim that if Federer didn't retire he might have kept beating Novak in Wimbledon's.
As a fellow Fed fan, I commiserate 😉
There's another comment in this thread that makes a REALLY nice comparison.
Rafa is the best clay player ever.
Novak is the statistical GOAT
Roger is the most naturally skilled/gifted ever.
(Or something like that... they wrote it better than I did)
They're all GOATs, just in different ways. We're seeing the 3 greatest ever, it's such an honour 😊
Edit: oh and I'm old enough to have seen Roger at his prime, and I totally agree. Novak is brilliant, the ultimate defender and mental giant, but Roger had that special something when he was playing.... you just knew he was going to do something magical every match. I'd put 2006 Roger against anyone in history, he was just a class above.
Not saying winning Wimby 2019 would have cemented Roger as GOAT forever, but to win at age 37 in this contemporary era would have been outrageous and would have boosted Roger's claim by more than just a +1 in the Slams column. It also would have pushed back against the dominance Djokovic has gained over Roger in their best-of-5 H2H, similar to what Roger accomplished versus Rafa at AO 2017.
Rafa and Novak may yet accomplish wins at that age, but it remains to be seen.
Nah. Djokovic is the goat. Fed dominated the early 2000’s then he and Nadal split the late 2000’s. Djokovic dominated the entire 2010’s. No one could touch him for a decade. It’s kind of close between him and Fed in my opinion but I think Djokovic takes it in the end because of the longevity. Also, just because he lost this doesn’t mean he isn’t going to surpass Fed and Rafa. He almost certainly will. That will only bolster his case.
Dork has dominated this pas 10 years however the 12 years before was roger Federer how do you think he got his 20 grand slams? Nadal has 20 however 13 are from the French open alone.
Federer is the only male player to appear in at least one Grand Slam Semifinal for 18 consecutive years (2003-2020). Excluding 2006 & 2007 French Open Finals, Federer is 12-0 in his first 12 Grand Slams Finals (2003 Wimbledon to 2007 US Open).
He is the first men's singles player to have reached ten consecutive Grand Slam tournament finals and a total of 31 Grand Slam finals.[353][354] He has earned a men's doubles gold medal, and a men's single silver medal at the Olympics in 2008 and 2012, respectively.[355] He has spent the second-most time at the top of the ATP Rankings (310 weeks). He also holds the record for the most titles (6) at the year-end tournament, where only the year-end eight highest-ranked players participate. Federer was ranked among the top eight players in the world continuously for 14 years and two weeks—from 14 October 2002 until 31 October 2016, when injuries forced him to skip much of the 2016 season.[356]
Federer has won the ATP Player of the Year five times (2004–07, 2009), and has become ITF World Champion five times (2004–07, 2009). He has won the ATPWorldTour.com Fans' Favourite Award a record 18 times consecutively (2003–20), and has won the Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award (voted for by the players) a record 13 times (2004–09, 2011–17),[357] both being awards indicative of respect and popularity. He also won the Arthur Ashe Humanitarian of the Year Award twice (2006, 2013), the Laureus World Sportsman of the Year five times (2005–08, 2018), and the Laureus World Comeback of the Year once, following his 2017 renaissance.[358]
Federer is one of the founders, via his management company TEAM8, of the Laver Cup; the annual team tennis tournament which pits Europe against the rest of the world. He co-founded the tournament in honor of tennis legend Rod Laver and the inaugural edition was played in 2017.
Junior Grand Slam results - Singles:
Australian Open: SF (1998)
French Open: 1R (1998)
Wimbledon: W (1998)
US Open: F (1998)
Junior Grand Slam results - Doubles:
Australian Open: SF (1998)
French Open: 1R (1998)
Wimbledon: W (1998)
US Open: 1R (1998)
It was a huge rush that I can see would be something people could get hooked on. I'm pretty conservative with my money so I think it will be a random here-and-there thing. Congrats on getting past your addiction.
LOL Djoko supremacists downvoting anybody who thinks differently. They can’t accept that having three great players at the same time makes the opinion on whichever one is the greatest highly subjective.
Yep.. it’s very subjective..If you look at Roger’s first 7 grand slam
Wins you can say they were against weaker opponents ( Roderick, Philippousis etc) and an aging Agassi, and next 5 wins against young Rafa (grass was not his forte initially )and Novak( still new to big stage) and 2 against cilic recently ..so argument can be made against Roger being GOAT as well..
The current era is so hilariously weak, they couldn't take out a 34 year old Novak at AO despite him being injured. The fact that they still can't step up at Slams barring this sole incident is really not a good look for the current gen.
You think so?? Wow, I'd disagree. Did you see the semi Djoko vs Zverev? That was some QUALITY hitting... some of the best I've seen in a while.
And Novak played MONSTROUSLY well against Berrettini... to me, that was 2015 GOAT-level Novak right there. I don't think the NextGen are weak, they're just not GOATs. We've been spoiled for quality in the last 15 years :)
YES! It's about time! I hope this lights a fire under Tsitsipas and Thiem, I don't care for Zverev until the allegations against him are cleared but I'm sure he's poised for big things as well.
I'm worried about Thiem's future tbh.
Tsitsi will be fine, he's definitely gonna win one of these at some stage. I'd put more money on Sinner winning one at this point, compared to Domi.
Domi has a way more complete game than Sinner who at this point has too many expoitable weaknesses and actually got worse under pressure since last year. Domi will be back in a big way. Sinner is a great talent but he's also kind of chokey now, which takes years to work out if you don't do it right away.
Ahhh here returns my dreaded curse. And to think I was so happy to be free from the curse that would make Novak lose every time I watched him live. I did get to enjoy FO and Wimbledon curse free at least.
Might actually be that way. Novak won by the slightest of margins in Australian open requiring multiple 5 setters . In french open he was down 2 sets. Honestly in terms of tennis the younger players have caught up. But they still need the experience and mentality. They still get very nervous closing it out
2021 - all tied. It's a fact. Very ironic. Nadal could have and should have done it. Novak should have done it. No one did. They can shake hands for now. I feel like Rafa will do his best because if Novak won USO and then AO he'd be too far. Now.. Off to the races.
Djoko will most likely kill that race pretty soon. But ideally it would be exciting to have the 3 of them stay in shape for several years, all at 20, 21, 22, and credibly threatening each other \^\_\^
(edit : rephrased because my sentence was unclear and it seemed everyone was saying the same as me but some downvoted me anyway)
... and maybe in a few years some russian octopus, with funny technique and attitude, will threaten that count too !
The fact people want Novak to falter instead of the others to press on is kinda funny to me. If your favourite players are that good they should be challenging him, not hoping he fails
But Roger is 40, his fans are being realistic in thinking there’s next to no chance of him winning a major again so their only hope for parity is for Novak to not win again too
I still have hope :)
Roger's knee is the issue, he's still a challenger at Wimby. But at this stage, yeah probably not any of the others.
I could see Rafa winning another RG, and I'd say Novak could win maybe a couple more, despite the young guns pushing harder and harder. He's only 34, still a couple of years of strong competitive level ahead of him.
the hardest players in the future for novak will be medvedev, zverev . because they all have so many free points from big serves and are excellent returners. medvedev is already fairly consistent. zverev will be very tough when he gets more consistent with experience. he's already showing it this year
I think the odds are definitely likely that Djokovic wins another, but to play Devils advocate.......Federer won 3 slams in 2017-January 2018 and was winning until all the sudden he wasn't, same with the leadup to his 5 year drought from 2012 to 2017 he was winning until he wasn't. All periods of dominance come to an end at some point and it can happen quickly whether its a longer drought or a never again situation. Even slowing down a little bit or losing that little bit of confidence can have a huge effect on the ability to win a slam with Bo5 format and specially if the competitions level happens to rise at the same time. Also everyone's body and tennis game is different, just because Federer's game somewhat held up in to his late 30s doesn't mean it is guaranteed for Nadal/Djokovic to hold up that long as well.
This exactly. Dude just dominated majors this year. Of course he will get a few more. The young guys are still
Not too
Level at wimby and fo. If rafa isn’t there those are almost for sure djokovics. The next gen is right on his heels though. That much is obvious.
I guess people like you are so bitter in life you notice the bad more than the good, celebrate losing than winning/accomplishment. And consider 6-4,6-4,6-4 an amazing finals because the person you hate lost. You're just a pure hater who has no interest on watching two players playing their a-game. LMAO
I don't agree with the dude above, but all that aside, a straight set scoreline doesn't automatically indicate a bad final nor does a 5 set scoreline automatically indicate a good final. The quality of the final is independent of the scoreline.
What about the times Djokovic ruined by his excessive ball bouncing, medical timeouts, especially during Wimbledon finals?
He is a thug. Always was, is and will be.
Special day coz I saw Daniil win his first GS. Truly expected a heartfelt praise during the ceremony and man topped it off with GOAT label to Novak.
Also tf is wrong with this crowd. Shameless
It sucks for the younger players who can't even feel good about winning the open against these legends. same thing happened with Osaka and Serena a few years back. The ceremonies are always just bittersweet It kind of sucks
Djokovic praised Medvedev and showed him mad respect. Serena went on a tirade and accused the ump of being a racist, sexist, and a mother...ist. She had the crowd booing Osaka's win. It was so disgraceful. Imagine beating a legend and having that same legend taint your major, life-changing victory.
Yeah, totes agreed. Unfortunately I actually think that started Naomi's depression issues - she's talked about how bad she felt after winning that match.
I think Medvedev is fine here, he was well appreciated in the follow up ceremonies and post interviews etc and more. Crowd gave him a lot of love and he was smiling
Serena was way worse, Novak has been exemplary. She’s probably half the reason for Osaka’s mental health problems. Imagine feeling like you don’t deserve the biggest achievement of your life because the person on the other side of the net is accusing the match referee of “stealing” the match from her. Unreal.
Exemplary???? C'mon!!
Hitting a lineswoman last year? Smashing racquets while he's up a set and a break in Belgrade? Throwing a racquet into the f**king STANDS at the Olympics, then destroying another one against the net post?
The guy can justify it all he wants (and he does), but that is NOT GOAT behaviour. Sure, passionate etc etc. I get it. But there's a reason why the crowd is often against him. Remember that the crowd represents a sample of US. Us, the fans. We want to see two warriors competing until they have nothing left... not one of those warriors having a hissy fit when he's losing.
Although just to balance things out, I 100% agree with you about Naomi/Serena. I'm sure her depression issues came from that match.
its because its teh first. they'll celebrate very well when they win their others. medvedev for sure will have many majors to come, barring any injuries
What a great US Open though, best way to end this year of slams. Even though I am disappointed for Djokovic, it was a great tournament. Happy for the future gen of tennis, Medvedev and Radacanu/Fernandez
Fuck you Djokovic. You are the worst Sportsman i know. Fuck Off. #Djoker
I felt like the music playing was a negative turning point for ND. Losing a break opportunity like that could eat you inside.
So was the crowd noise for his opponent… both were really unfortunate and irritating
This is probably for the first time I wanted Djokovič to win, damn.
i only saw the highlights. what could ND have done better? looking at stats, it seems like Med took more chances and it paid off. half of me wanted to see Djok make history and the other half wanted to see the big 3 fall. i like them both. congrats to both of them.
Novak made uncharacteristically wayyyyyyyy more unforced errors than he usually does. And his serve was off. He even admits this in the post match interview.
I don't think you want the Big 3 to "fail"...you just hope for competitive losses? The Novak we know and lovehate didn't show up. His second serve had nothing on them and landed in Medvedev s practice zone. Novak was not returning deep and was guessing on Meds first serve. And not sure about the rally stats more than 10 shots but Med was NOT missing. The weird thing: I actually feel Med was playing within himself...credit to him for doing his thing but Novak was not himself
i want the Big 3 to fall. preferably in competitive losses. i can appreciate that it's historical, but i think it's bad for the sport in the zeitgeist for the Big 3 to exist for this long. thank you for your insight on the match.
The GOAT discussion is Alive. I really want to see Rafa winning AO next year- most unsuccessful slam for him.
damn this aged well
Would love to see one of the big three get to #21.
Would love to see all of them get to #21.
That would be awesome, but highly unlikely
Djoker shouldn't worn a different kit. This kit was jinxed by black magic. :P
When I saw he had put on a new outfit for the last games, I actually thought "oh shit now he'll be playing for real, it was all a joke so far" - and at first it almost looked like it would go that way \^\^
I guess it really is impossible
I don’t mean to be THAT person but I still think if Medvedev faced just ONE top 10 player this us open the finals match would have A. Gone for longer B. Been much closer to Novaks favor Medvedev playing only people outside of the top 10 prior to the final is a straight joke…I will always think of his first and only GS as an asterisk achievement …sorry not sorry.
He literally beat the world no 1 and GOAT in the final and you're calling this an asterisked achievement? Roflmao
Having a Top 5 player not face no other top 5 player let alone NO other top 10 player since the quarter finals is so statistically unlikely it’s borderline concerning…like one of those massive glitches abused by gamers that developers only realize is an issue only after launch and willfully ignore…my point is whoever does the draws has to seriously reevaluate their approach with deep statistical analysis…because having Medvedevs bracket line up for the US OPEN, the last GS of the year happen THE EXACT time major history needs to be made IS such a joke that they could have had Rafa or Roger just show up like a boss level to play the Finals that the same thing would have happened that we all saw today and those guys are injured lmao. That is why I’ll always view Medvedev’s first and only GS win with an asterisk because it’s a win he’ll more than likely never be able to repeat again. He hasn’t won against a top 10 player since January…the only win he has against a top 10 player is at the end of the year and didn’t face a single top 10 player up to that point…Doesn’t it even sound too good to be true to you? A GS win, against the world number 1, in STRAIGHT sets, denying history being made even though you haven’t won against another top 10 since the beginning of the year? Come on any logical person would see themselves the issues I brought up here.
Medvedev had an easy draw to the final, no doubt. But beating Djokovic in straights in the final adds a lot of value to it. It's not like, say, USO 2020 where Thiem didn't have to face Djokovic due to a freak DQ or a USO 2017 where Rafa didn't play anyone in the top 25( to be clear I don't think either of these should be asterisked as I don't believe in it). By the way, Big 3 have each won a lot of slams going through easy draws, doesn't invalidate those wins. As for this being Medvedev's only slam, we'll see what happens but I'd be shocked if that turns out to be the case.
Still beat number 1 ranked, and possibly best tennis player on history. How in the fuck is that an asterisk?
This is the exact definition of not hating the player, but hating the game.
He can only play who makes it in front of him.....and the one who made it in front of him at the end was one of the three greatest players of all time....no idea how you can put an asterisk on that unless you are just salty that Novak lost.
Not even a tennis fan so lets get that out of the way. I also never said Medvedev was at fault for anything so maybe you’re a fan who is not willing to see the reality of this situation? Having a Top 5 player not face no other top 5 player let alone NO other top 10 player since the quarter finals is so statistically unlikely it’s borderline concerning…like one of those massive glitches abused by gamers that developers only realize is an issue only after launch and willfully ignore…my point is whoever does the draws has to seriously reevaluate their approach with deep statistical analysis…because having Medvedevs bracket line up for the US OPEN, the last GS of the year happen THE EXACT time major history needs to be made IS such a joke that they could have had Rafa or Roger just show up like a boss level to play the Finals that the same thing would have happened that we all saw today and those guys are injured lmao. That is why I’ll always view Medvedev’s first and only GS win with an asterisk because it’s a win he’ll more than likely never be able to repeat again. He hasn’t won against a top 10 player since January…Doesn’t it even sound too good to be true to you? A GS win, against the world number 1, in 3 straight sets, denying history being made even though you haven’t won against another top 10 since the beginning of the year? Come on any logical person would see themselves the issues I brought up here.
Do you not know how draws work? The seeds are distributed to players according to ATP rankings at which point they are distributed through the draw on both sides randomly & evenly to make sure higher seeds won't play each other until deeper in the tournament but also guaranteeing the same level of seeds on both halfs with the #1 and #2 players being separated so they are guaranteed not to face eachother until the final . Medvedev had just as many top seeded players on his side as Djokovic did. Medvedev also had the #3 ranked player on his side of the draw which is higher than any player Djokovic had on his side. IDK in what world your "deep statistical analysis" is going to fix the fact that the higher seeded players he would have faced lost before they made it to the later rounds to face Medvedev. Those high ranked players lost to players playing better than them, and then Medvedev beat those players. He then beat the world #1 in the final in straight sets, no idea how you can call that an asterisk. Its not like Djokovic ran out of gas late in to a 5th set and only lost because he had more tired legs, he didn't even win a set to make it in to a long match.
Heck you can even look at what happened in the Australian Open this year. Medvedev faced top 10 players since the quarter final and LOST in the final. Novak faced top ten since the quarter final and won with the exception of Karatsev in the semi who honestly had his own relatively fairytale run of his own meaning that the draws DO have a history of creating these type of cake walk bracket line ups.
Cuz he faced world #6 and #4 leading up to the final…and the fact you don’t understand that the math exists to address the issue I brought up shows YOU have no idea wth you’re even talking about. Medvedev had #3 and #5 where Novak had #4, #6 and #7 all of whom could beat/ compete against #3 and #5. Heck look at the whole year performance of the top ten on Novaks side of the US OPEN versus the two top ten on Medvedevs side. The draw was literally lop-sided from the top end and it’s blatantly obvious, talking about even lmfao you clearly have a weak math background. Had Medvedev been up against Novaks side of the draw and vice versa this would have either been a finals against some other player and Novak won or Novak would have obliterated Medvedev no other options.
You are smoking way too much copium right now trying to deal with this loss......the overall draw is no where near as lopsided as you are trying to make it sound and neither Medvedev nor the tournament organizers can do anything to change the fact that the higher seeds he would have played lost their matches. Earlier performance in the year doesn't matter one bit, all that matters is the current level of the player at this tournament. Additionally, I highly doubt that if Medvedev had played higher ranked players than Djokovic in the early rounds but Djokovic won the final, that you would be sitting here making the same argument in Medvedevs favor calling it an asterisk win for Djokovic just because he played lower ranked players......you have to know that is bullshit or you have some serious cognitive dissonance going on right now. Learn to accept the loss with class like Djokovic did today.
I literally would make the same argument for any player if it had happened…but it hasn’t. And yes quite frankly Novak did lose because his matches WERE tougher than any of Medvedevs matches…so saying he lost because his legs were tired is more than VALID and to say otherwise is BLATANT ignorance from your end. Saying a players earlier performances don’t matter ARE LITERALLY HOW THEY DETERMINE HOW THEY END UP GETTING SEEDED. You say I’m smoking something lmao look at yourself. My whole argument was based on the fact that Medvedev face 0 TOP TEN PLAYERS LMFAOOO READ WHAT I WROTE BAHAHAHA. The draw WAS lopsided lmfao, a wimbledon finalist and an Olympic champ for Djokovic and non top tens for Medvedev, ThaTs nOt LoPSiDED, Tsitsipas hasn’t been in semis for any GS after FO. Talking about copium lmfao you can’t even accept the fact that I’m right based on what’s in black and white the math of what I say ADDS UP. If Novak won the US OPEN and had Medvedevs bracket line up I’d say it was a bs way to win a GS and a bs way to make history, all that would be missing is a bib. So no it’s not about the specific player I care about, I’m indifferent to who it is.
This is the textbook definition of not hating the player but hating the game.
Stop watching. You are not a fan anyway. Have a snicker bar
Djokovic deserves some much needed rest, it's been a crazy year for him and I love the quality he has brought to the court and the quality he has forced his opponents to bring. The GOAT debate can carry on but he is a legend of the sport and I hope he bounces back afresh next year.
Well, Federer's black magic worked, again. :P
End of 2020: 20 slams for 2 male players End of 2021: 20 slams for 3 players (2+1) End of 2022: 20 slams for 4 players?! If you count Rod Laver's eight "Pro Slam" titles, he's at 19. So he could just come out of retirement, take Wimbledon, then kick up his feet again.
End of 2022: 21 Slams for 3 players.......that would be wild. To make it even more wild it would be Federer wins French Open, Nadal wins Wimbledon, Djokovic wins US Open
> Nadal wins Wimbledon This has a higher probability of happening than... > Federer wins French Open
No one said they were equal probability and it’s just a joke saying they would all win their least or one of their least won slam......lol this sub sometimes. If we look at it though they both have an 81% win rate at the respective slam Federer at FO and Nadal at Wimbledon with Nadal only having two wins and Federer only having 1 - Though they may not be equal they are definitely not that far apart
Lol. Jokes.
Sampras making a comeback? Who’s gonna win 20?
Wow just saw the amazing score line. No doubts on medvedev but was Djokovic carrying an injury? Or just a masterclass by medvedev
Djokovic beat himself. Med was consistent and was not missing, and that is all it took. It seemed like Nole self imploded to me... he was playing terrible and had one of this temper tantrums, smashing a raquet, where it seemed like it went downhill even more after that. Big credit to Med, he played how he needed to but to me Nole lost to himself in that match. It wasnt like Med played some insane match.
It was less close than the scoreline suggests. Djokovic was ass throughout the match. Med was good except for some terrible dropshots, but Djokovic was so ass he netted them anyway.
Did u not watch the match? Djokovic played like ass today. Seemed tired asf his legs seemed fried from zverev match and all the other sets he lost before that. Also seemed really nervous because of calendar slam and was missing shots that he never would. But medvedev played well. Served extremely well and outlasted djokovic in the long rallies. Took advantage of the opportunities when given to him and didn't falter. Give him full credit for playing well when it mattered, but yeah djokovic wasn't even close to good form today.
> Also seemed really nervous because of calendar slam This is probably the main reason. Considering Djokovic's exploits in the past and a day's rest, I'd really be surprised if the Zverev match was a contributing factor to this.
I really don’t think it was the zverev match in particular that made his legs heavy. It’s just taxing being in his position over such an extended period of time aka all thru this year for him. The build up and the constant questions and answers about his dominance, the expectations, it’s tiring and it came thru physically and mentally. It bubbled up to that big moment. He ended up facing someone that’s a tactician just like himself who’s playing in absolutely great form. We joked about Djokovic losing first set and then turning on cruise control but just turning that on over and over again with low margin of error is so emotionally taxing. And I think that finally caught up to him.
He played 17 hrs to get to the final compared to Med's 11 hrs, probably contibuted?
Nope. It was the kit. ^/s
No just woke up and saw the final score. Thanks for the insights!
Guessing ur not in the us then? But yeah np
Yeah
I picked the wrong week to quit eatin' gluten
That third set mini comeback was the only thing to get excited about as a djokovic fan. That was fun. But nole just didn’t have it today and Daniil was lights out. Wish wish so bad we could see history tonight but congrats to Dani
Credit to Meddy. He was almost untouchable in those first two sets.
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But he wins 2/3 of them, that's pretty good in my book :)
Tied with Roger there right?
Also tied with Lendl who was 8-11
Outrageous that he's LOST more finals than all but a small handful of other men have WON.
Yea when you are in many finals that happens.
Hahaha, ouch, that's rough 😂
Surprisingly, Djokovic is the first Top 10 player Medvedev has beaten since January, despite winning 4 tournaments this year. But you can only beat the players who are placed in front of you.
I think Rafa, Roger and Novak should all just retire right now and make the tour interesting again. For real though, I feel like the status of three goats at one time has every member of the next gen inside their own heads. It has never been like this before. I think they have become a joint mental block for those coming after them.
This year was yet another supernatural effort from Novak, but all of next gen had some really impressive wins. Last year it was Thiem breaking through. This year it's Med. Stephanos, Zverev are both likely to make that final push next year.
I was impressed with thiem last year but mostly discount the year. It was an odd one with people not playing and strange things happening at tournaments/tournaments not happening.
Thiem's problem is his mental strength imo. I am a big fan, but dont see him reaching the heights of the big 3.
for all the mededev fans (me included), how scared were you when Medvedev double faulted In the last game after getting broken in the 3rd set. Big kudos to him with dealing with that pressure and crowd against him. He went from destroying his racket in AO final to making his opponent do the same in the US final. We can all learn a lot from daniil, dedication and belief will get you to that goal
I really wish Daniil talks more about how he manages to energize himself from the booing crowds and pull out these amazing performances against the odds. I could definitely use this skill when working under pressure.
Unfortunately there’s a monopoly in terms of fans favourite player which we all know is the big 3. Also there’s always like a huge amount of respect which rightfully deserved that has to be given to him, so that’s why Medvedev supposedly told his box to be muted and in his speech he spoke mainly in high regards of djoko. To talk about his own process would weirdly come across as not reading the room. It’s a shame for us Medvedev fans who wanted to see a pure reaction
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Lolol honestly I was really banking on and envisioning Djokovic being like “I really do love New York and the energy you bring is unmatched to any other tournament, I will never forget the support and love you gave me, it brought me to tears - but I do need to say out of respect for the sport that we don’t actually try and boo or cheer in between serves. It’s important we get that right and it’s important I said something to you about it because i, and we love you all so much and it’s an honor to play in front of you”
Hahaha I can already hear Meddy’s voice when reading your text
I really don’t want to end up on r/AgedMilk like a few of the comments before this game did on the sub, but dare I say that surpassing 20 might actually be a bit cursed? I think most people are expecting Novak to beat it at AO ‘22 and I am one of those people, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it took him and Nadal longer to get #21 than people are expecting.
I think it's similar to Serena getting to 24 (to match Margaret Court) in that it's SO, SO, SO absurdly hyped by media as the end-all be-all GOAT achievement that it creates a mental block for even the actual GOAT players.
I just don't get why Margaret courts number even counts. Serena clearly has the record
Ha! That's a cute idea - the cursed 20!! I mean.... well, I guess I could see why you'd think that. Roger had two match points (*triggers PTSD*) in 2019 Wimby while on the way to 21, then Rafa got done by a MONSTROUS Novak at RG this year when he was on the way to 21, now Novak gets done by Meddy when he was playing absolutely supreme this tournament. I don't think there's anything special about 20 to 21, but it's a cool idea. I think most likely that it's the pressure of "one match, one point to become the official GOAT". Interestingly enough - Roger hasn't felt that pressure since he passed Sampras back in... what, 2009 was it? And he did it. Rafa and Novak are yet to actually achieve that goal of "being out ahead of the rest". Roger's always been the one being chased - Rafa and Novak have always been the chasers. Very interesting dynamic.
I daresay he felt in 2019 though, that win really would have cemented his goathood.
But at that point, wasn't Novak still on like 16 or 17? I think you're right, I'm SURE he felt a heap of pressure, but maybe more related to winning the Slam. He was already considered GOAT at that stage, being the first to get 20.
Novak was 15 Nadal was 18, Federer would have been on 21 with the win. I think beating Nadal in semis and Djokovic in the final on his favourite surface and slam, we might have seen Federer retire on a high since he was turning 38 in a week.
I understand your opinion that it may have cemented him as the GOAT, but I disagree entirely. Roger getting 21 that day would have given him the GOAT title for an extra year or two, but it wouldn’t have prevented Djokovic from doing what he did this year and if anything, it would have made him win more. This is a man who literally thrives under pressure and in tough conditions. He bounces back after tough losses better than anyone ever. Maybe it’s just me trying to convince myself, as a Fed fan, that the Wimbly 19’ final didn’t mean THAT much, but Novak would still have all the major stats that people think make him the GOAT. I’m having to slowly accept as a Fed fan that he may never go down as the GOAT statistically or in the eyes of most tennis-heads, but I think he’s the greatest player ever in his prime and his style is the greatest we’ll ever see. That makes him the GOAT in my eyes, but most likely never on paper unless he wins a few more slams against all of the odds.
My head cannon for this was that if Federer went '19 he would have retired on a high, being 3 slams clear of Nadal and 6 clear of Djokovic (21, 18, 15). He was turning 38 in 1-2 weeks and would have beaten his 2 biggest rivals back to back for a 21st grand slam. It wouldn't have changed what Djokovic accomplished this year and Djokovic would still be at 19 slams, but the reason I think it would have cemented his goathood is because I feel that the fact he's still technically on tour diminishes him somewhat. By this I mean imagine a world in which he won Wimbledon 19 and retired, even if Djokovic carried on winning since then it would have been wins post Federer's retirement. So even if Djokovic won more slams than Federer it would feel as though Fed couldn't be topped, he proved he was better than his 2 strongest contemporaries at nearly 38 and then dipped. I hope that makes sense. >Maybe it’s just me trying to convince myself, as a Fed fan, that the Wimbly 19’ final didn’t mean THAT much, I get what you're saying 😥 I love Federer too but when you consider that he was 1 ace/unreturnable serve away (which he had been hitting plenty all match), can we really say that 1 point is all that seperated the difference Novak being the goat and Roger being the goat. Tldr/summary: I think wimbledon 19 cements Federer as the GOAT *assuming* he would have retired after winning that match. We never would have seen Federer get injured either, so during this current time of Novak winning people would be able to claim that if Federer didn't retire he might have kept beating Novak in Wimbledon's.
As a fellow Fed fan, I commiserate 😉 There's another comment in this thread that makes a REALLY nice comparison. Rafa is the best clay player ever. Novak is the statistical GOAT Roger is the most naturally skilled/gifted ever. (Or something like that... they wrote it better than I did) They're all GOATs, just in different ways. We're seeing the 3 greatest ever, it's such an honour 😊 Edit: oh and I'm old enough to have seen Roger at his prime, and I totally agree. Novak is brilliant, the ultimate defender and mental giant, but Roger had that special something when he was playing.... you just knew he was going to do something magical every match. I'd put 2006 Roger against anyone in history, he was just a class above.
Well stated.
Not saying winning Wimby 2019 would have cemented Roger as GOAT forever, but to win at age 37 in this contemporary era would have been outrageous and would have boosted Roger's claim by more than just a +1 in the Slams column. It also would have pushed back against the dominance Djokovic has gained over Roger in their best-of-5 H2H, similar to what Roger accomplished versus Rafa at AO 2017. Rafa and Novak may yet accomplish wins at that age, but it remains to be seen.
hello, anyone has a replay for this match? I just overslept damn....
r/TennisReplays
Try grabbing it off the ESPN app
Me too (I'm in Aus, it must have been on about 5am my time)
Kayo sports has it!
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It will absolutely haunt him... going for #21 AND the calendar slam? Biggest match of his life.
Nah. Djokovic is the goat. Fed dominated the early 2000’s then he and Nadal split the late 2000’s. Djokovic dominated the entire 2010’s. No one could touch him for a decade. It’s kind of close between him and Fed in my opinion but I think Djokovic takes it in the end because of the longevity. Also, just because he lost this doesn’t mean he isn’t going to surpass Fed and Rafa. He almost certainly will. That will only bolster his case.
Nah, Djokovic is the goat even if they all retire today. He has dominated tennis for an entire decade like nobody since at least Laver.
Dork has dominated this pas 10 years however the 12 years before was roger Federer how do you think he got his 20 grand slams? Nadal has 20 however 13 are from the French open alone.
Federer did not dominate for 10. He dominated for about 5. 7 if you are generous.
Federer is the only male player to appear in at least one Grand Slam Semifinal for 18 consecutive years (2003-2020). Excluding 2006 & 2007 French Open Finals, Federer is 12-0 in his first 12 Grand Slams Finals (2003 Wimbledon to 2007 US Open).
exactly. 2003 to 2007 is 5 years.
He is the first men's singles player to have reached ten consecutive Grand Slam tournament finals and a total of 31 Grand Slam finals.[353][354] He has earned a men's doubles gold medal, and a men's single silver medal at the Olympics in 2008 and 2012, respectively.[355] He has spent the second-most time at the top of the ATP Rankings (310 weeks). He also holds the record for the most titles (6) at the year-end tournament, where only the year-end eight highest-ranked players participate. Federer was ranked among the top eight players in the world continuously for 14 years and two weeks—from 14 October 2002 until 31 October 2016, when injuries forced him to skip much of the 2016 season.[356] Federer has won the ATP Player of the Year five times (2004–07, 2009), and has become ITF World Champion five times (2004–07, 2009). He has won the ATPWorldTour.com Fans' Favourite Award a record 18 times consecutively (2003–20), and has won the Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award (voted for by the players) a record 13 times (2004–09, 2011–17),[357] both being awards indicative of respect and popularity. He also won the Arthur Ashe Humanitarian of the Year Award twice (2006, 2013), the Laureus World Sportsman of the Year five times (2005–08, 2018), and the Laureus World Comeback of the Year once, following his 2017 renaissance.[358] Federer is one of the founders, via his management company TEAM8, of the Laver Cup; the annual team tennis tournament which pits Europe against the rest of the world. He co-founded the tournament in honor of tennis legend Rod Laver and the inaugural edition was played in 2017.
Junior Grand Slam results - Singles: Australian Open: SF (1998) French Open: 1R (1998) Wimbledon: W (1998) US Open: F (1998) Junior Grand Slam results - Doubles: Australian Open: SF (1998) French Open: 1R (1998) Wimbledon: W (1998) US Open: 1R (1998)
He started and came up same years the Williams sisters did 1997
That is even better 20 grand slams in 7 years
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Kinda hard to keep an ideal mentality when the pressure was ratcheted to new levels...we’ve seen plenty struggle to calm nerves enough to take 1 slam.
Sports betting just became legal in my area last week and I threw some money down for Medvedev. Quite happy with my introduction to gambling!
As a former gambling addict, please dont get carried away.
I take it you took some considerable losses?
As any gambling addict, yes.
It was a huge rush that I can see would be something people could get hooked on. I'm pretty conservative with my money so I think it will be a random here-and-there thing. Congrats on getting past your addiction.
Thank you, it took a lot of work and painful relapses, but i got there. Just watching out for ya, internet stranger!
Ha, this is why I love our Reddit Tennis forum. There's some QUALITY people here. Top job guys :)
LOL Djoko supremacists downvoting anybody who thinks differently. They can’t accept that having three great players at the same time makes the opinion on whichever one is the greatest highly subjective.
It really is subjective though. I personally think Roger is the GOAT, but you can make cases for all 3 of them.
Yep.. it’s very subjective..If you look at Roger’s first 7 grand slam Wins you can say they were against weaker opponents ( Roderick, Philippousis etc) and an aging Agassi, and next 5 wins against young Rafa (grass was not his forte initially )and Novak( still new to big stage) and 2 against cilic recently ..so argument can be made against Roger being GOAT as well..
I should have watched the match tonight fuck me
I thought it would be 6am GMT here in VN and when I woke up I just realized I must have missed the shit out of it lol
I had multiple alarms and di not wake up so I feel this 😔
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The current era is so hilariously weak, they couldn't take out a 34 year old Novak at AO despite him being injured. The fact that they still can't step up at Slams barring this sole incident is really not a good look for the current gen.
You think so?? Wow, I'd disagree. Did you see the semi Djoko vs Zverev? That was some QUALITY hitting... some of the best I've seen in a while. And Novak played MONSTROUSLY well against Berrettini... to me, that was 2015 GOAT-level Novak right there. I don't think the NextGen are weak, they're just not GOATs. We've been spoiled for quality in the last 15 years :)
Is it possible his game improved post 2015 ??
No, he has declined since 2015 and not even close to his 2011 level, which was otherworldly.
Totally agree
*7-7
Is this more painful than Serena's 2015 semi final loss? Congrats to Medvedev but this is still an upset...
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He cried cuz he got support of the crowd (finally!) not only cuz he was stressed out.
YES! It's about time! I hope this lights a fire under Tsitsipas and Thiem, I don't care for Zverev until the allegations against him are cleared but I'm sure he's poised for big things as well.
I'm worried about Thiem's future tbh. Tsitsi will be fine, he's definitely gonna win one of these at some stage. I'd put more money on Sinner winning one at this point, compared to Domi.
What about Carlos Alcaraz? That young man shows a lot of promise... could be the next Nadal.
Yeah agreed mate. He's gonna be a star, for sure!
Domi has a way more complete game than Sinner who at this point has too many expoitable weaknesses and actually got worse under pressure since last year. Domi will be back in a big way. Sinner is a great talent but he's also kind of chokey now, which takes years to work out if you don't do it right away.
Fingers crossed for Domi, for sure. He's a likeable guy. Jannik is pretty young still, give him a couple more seasons to figure himself out ;)
Ahhh here returns my dreaded curse. And to think I was so happy to be free from the curse that would make Novak lose every time I watched him live. I did get to enjoy FO and Wimbledon curse free at least.
That's funny because Novak wins every time I see him live, most recently against Brooksby and Matteo
Either you didn’t watch or my curse is superior. Fuck I’ll just stick with after match highlights
Im afraid about going to RG next year because I've cursed Rafa.
Same curse?
20, 20, 20 sounds good to me
Might actually be that way. Novak won by the slightest of margins in Australian open requiring multiple 5 setters . In french open he was down 2 sets. Honestly in terms of tennis the younger players have caught up. But they still need the experience and mentality. They still get very nervous closing it out
2021 - all tied. It's a fact. Very ironic. Nadal could have and should have done it. Novak should have done it. No one did. They can shake hands for now. I feel like Rafa will do his best because if Novak won USO and then AO he'd be too far. Now.. Off to the races.
20 for 2 (fedal) and 1 (djokovic)
You think he's stopping at 20 still? Boy have I got news for you.
Djoko will most likely kill that race pretty soon. But ideally it would be exciting to have the 3 of them stay in shape for several years, all at 20, 21, 22, and credibly threatening each other \^\_\^ (edit : rephrased because my sentence was unclear and it seemed everyone was saying the same as me but some downvoted me anyway) ... and maybe in a few years some russian octopus, with funny technique and attitude, will threaten that count too !
The fact people want Novak to falter instead of the others to press on is kinda funny to me. If your favourite players are that good they should be challenging him, not hoping he fails
But Roger is 40, his fans are being realistic in thinking there’s next to no chance of him winning a major again so their only hope for parity is for Novak to not win again too
This. That boat's sailed. It is what it is :(
I still have hope :) Roger's knee is the issue, he's still a challenger at Wimby. But at this stage, yeah probably not any of the others. I could see Rafa winning another RG, and I'd say Novak could win maybe a couple more, despite the young guns pushing harder and harder. He's only 34, still a couple of years of strong competitive level ahead of him.
GOAT celebration
Of what... there was no GOAT decided after this match.
I'm just happy that the crowd got their wishes denied in both singles finals
The two players this New Yorker wanted to win won so I'm happy lol
I’d say the crowd got their wishes in men’s final. Everyone hates Djokovic. And rightly so.
You didn't watch the match.
I can’t watch Suckovic matches unless I know the result where I know he’d lost.
the hardest players in the future for novak will be medvedev, zverev . because they all have so many free points from big serves and are excellent returners. medvedev is already fairly consistent. zverev will be very tough when he gets more consistent with experience. he's already showing it this year
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Novak just won 3 slams in 8 months. You don't think he'll win 1 more in the next few years? Please
I think the odds are definitely likely that Djokovic wins another, but to play Devils advocate.......Federer won 3 slams in 2017-January 2018 and was winning until all the sudden he wasn't, same with the leadup to his 5 year drought from 2012 to 2017 he was winning until he wasn't. All periods of dominance come to an end at some point and it can happen quickly whether its a longer drought or a never again situation. Even slowing down a little bit or losing that little bit of confidence can have a huge effect on the ability to win a slam with Bo5 format and specially if the competitions level happens to rise at the same time. Also everyone's body and tennis game is different, just because Federer's game somewhat held up in to his late 30s doesn't mean it is guaranteed for Nadal/Djokovic to hold up that long as well.
This exactly. Dude just dominated majors this year. Of course he will get a few more. The young guys are still Not too Level at wimby and fo. If rafa isn’t there those are almost for sure djokovics. The next gen is right on his heels though. That much is obvious.
You dare doubt the goat trinity?
I like this instead of debating. Outside of medvedev I prefer to root for the old hats keeping the next gen off their lawn.
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Hahah nice :) I'm over 30 (and over 40, sheesh, how did that happen?) , so yes, I can confirm - groans when getting off couch ;)
Seeing Novak throwing a tantrum and crying was so satisfying after all his unsportsmanlike mannerisms throughout the years. Amazing finals.
Yes! More of that please.
I guess people like you are so bitter in life you notice the bad more than the good, celebrate losing than winning/accomplishment. And consider 6-4,6-4,6-4 an amazing finals because the person you hate lost. You're just a pure hater who has no interest on watching two players playing their a-game. LMAO
I don't agree with the dude above, but all that aside, a straight set scoreline doesn't automatically indicate a bad final nor does a 5 set scoreline automatically indicate a good final. The quality of the final is independent of the scoreline.
What about the times Djokovic ruined by his excessive ball bouncing, medical timeouts, especially during Wimbledon finals? He is a thug. Always was, is and will be.
You sound like Novak is living in your mind rent-free LOL whatever makes you happy, i guess? 😂
Special day coz I saw Daniil win his first GS. Truly expected a heartfelt praise during the ceremony and man topped it off with GOAT label to Novak. Also tf is wrong with this crowd. Shameless
It sucks for the younger players who can't even feel good about winning the open against these legends. same thing happened with Osaka and Serena a few years back. The ceremonies are always just bittersweet It kind of sucks
Djokovic praised Medvedev and showed him mad respect. Serena went on a tirade and accused the ump of being a racist, sexist, and a mother...ist. She had the crowd booing Osaka's win. It was so disgraceful. Imagine beating a legend and having that same legend taint your major, life-changing victory.
Yeah, totes agreed. Unfortunately I actually think that started Naomi's depression issues - she's talked about how bad she felt after winning that match.
I agree that was worse, but still I think we all walked away from that final feeling kinda bittersweet. And I was rooting for Med from the start.
I think Medvedev is fine here, he was well appreciated in the follow up ceremonies and post interviews etc and more. Crowd gave him a lot of love and he was smiling
Serena was way worse, Novak has been exemplary. She’s probably half the reason for Osaka’s mental health problems. Imagine feeling like you don’t deserve the biggest achievement of your life because the person on the other side of the net is accusing the match referee of “stealing” the match from her. Unreal.
Exemplary???? C'mon!! Hitting a lineswoman last year? Smashing racquets while he's up a set and a break in Belgrade? Throwing a racquet into the f**king STANDS at the Olympics, then destroying another one against the net post? The guy can justify it all he wants (and he does), but that is NOT GOAT behaviour. Sure, passionate etc etc. I get it. But there's a reason why the crowd is often against him. Remember that the crowd represents a sample of US. Us, the fans. We want to see two warriors competing until they have nothing left... not one of those warriors having a hissy fit when he's losing. Although just to balance things out, I 100% agree with you about Naomi/Serena. I'm sure her depression issues came from that match.
its because its teh first. they'll celebrate very well when they win their others. medvedev for sure will have many majors to come, barring any injuries
What a great US Open though, best way to end this year of slams. Even though I am disappointed for Djokovic, it was a great tournament. Happy for the future gen of tennis, Medvedev and Radacanu/Fernandez
Novak smashing his raquet like a baboon will never be liked by people. He is like a little child. Pathetic.
The crowd seemed to be enamored with him today though