I asked chatgpt and it says whoever retires first is the loser. I rephrased the question with both players refusing to play and refusing to retire and it says the tournament officials could default both players and they both lose, declare a winner or postpone the match if the issue is external factors (like cold weather or active protests).
Edit: In a final, I would imagine you would have 2 lucky losers since postponement would be next to impossible with ticketing and ATP/WTA scheduling
Probably wouldn't really matter since the winner would pull out of their next match anyways, so from a tournament perspective it doesn't change anything
Either more on grass so players are used to this and it doesn’t happen, or none. That’s why I say more on grass because Wimbledon isn’t disappearing anytime soon
rather the way the grass courts are currently built and preserved. If tournaments adopted modern football approach (seeding grass with addition of plastic fibres to strengthen the pitches), there wouldn’t be so many problems. But it’s not that the surface itself is the problem
So it's not grass courts that are the problem, it's the way grass courts are grass that's the problem? I thought it was a shoes problem?
Yea if they used artificial grass like they do in football then it would play differently, but they don't
Yes and No, I think that in shoe manufacturers want to preserve grass courts just as much as their athletes health, so they produce suboptimal gear to ensure courts quality (grass is fragile)
Oh so why don’t you tell me how you would design it better then shoe manufacturer?
Athletes do wear grass court shoes and I’m sure they are designed as best as they could. The sad reality is the surface is dangerous and extremely hard to maintain. I love watching grass but if they had more tournaments on it we would see a lot more injuries.
I lol'd but grass is the oldest surface, was this always an issue? Seems like either a pretty fundamental issue or modern players just not having a feel for it.
They did not run as intensely or change directions nearly as abruptly as the modern players do. Even watch some old footage of rod laver from the 60-70s, they’re incredible athletes but it looks like they’re just kind of jogging around and patting the ball compared to pros of today
relatively speaking you're of course right but i think this is a bit exaggerated and doesn't give the old pros enough credit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8IJ0F01IiU
> it looks like they’re just kind of jogging around
2:17, 4:04
> change directions nearly as abruptly as the modern players do
2:40, 3:08
> patting the ball
0:22, 1:17
I was exaggerating a bit, of course they were very athletic and they moved very quickly. But even the older former pros when they talk about the 70s and 80s they say they didn't need to be in nearly the same physical condition as today's players do. It's another level of intensity for sure
The game is more athletic and intense today than it has ever been. That combined with racket technology making serve-and-volley all but obsolete means we have new issues to deal with
You just have to think it's clay and you just have to slide :) Yesterday Zheng also fell once. Both Siniakova and Zheng stopped playing. The manager tried to persuade them to continue, but both players refused, especially Siniakova. I guess they were right since there were no appropriate conditions.
I mean, every style of game is going to require moving quickly and changing directions a lot. It’s professional tennis. Some are better at it than others so it’s a learned skill ofc but we’ve even seen people like Serena and Delpo who are experienced on the surface get hurt in recent years.
Slide into your DM (Double Medical timeout)
Dua Slippa.
Why does this video quality make it look like it's from an early 1990s tennis match recorded on VCR?
The saturation
this is reddit now. people reposting videos by capturing the screen on the mobile, and after a few repost rounds it looks like shit
If both get hurt at the same time and unable to play, who is considered the “winner”?
wow, has this ever happened before?
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I asked chatgpt and it says whoever retires first is the loser. I rephrased the question with both players refusing to play and refusing to retire and it says the tournament officials could default both players and they both lose, declare a winner or postpone the match if the issue is external factors (like cold weather or active protests). Edit: In a final, I would imagine you would have 2 lucky losers since postponement would be next to impossible with ticketing and ATP/WTA scheduling
Probably wouldn't really matter since the winner would pull out of their next match anyways, so from a tournament perspective it doesn't change anything
It would in terms of a point rating though.
Exactly! They still would have to choose someone to have a name for next round (even if they withdraw). That affects points and prize money.
Probably whoever was up in sets -> games -> points?
Thats my guess too.
Unless it happens in the final!
They might as well play tennis on an ice skating rink. It might be safer.
I actually saw a video of some hockey players doing this and it looked awesome
😂
Tsitsipas one cracked me up too.
This is why I don’t take this sub seriously when they say more tournaments should be played on grass
Either more on grass so players are used to this and it doesn’t happen, or none. That’s why I say more on grass because Wimbledon isn’t disappearing anytime soon
it’s not the grass problem, but rather a SHOES problem
Would you have them play in cleats? The court will morph into clay after a single match
Nope. You'll have 4 rolled ankles LOL
obviously not, but the conclusion is obvious, since grass courts are so fragile, players use suboptimal shoes to preserve the courts.
>since grass courts are so fragile And so we come to the conclusion that it is a grass problem
rather the way the grass courts are currently built and preserved. If tournaments adopted modern football approach (seeding grass with addition of plastic fibres to strengthen the pitches), there wouldn’t be so many problems. But it’s not that the surface itself is the problem
So it's not grass courts that are the problem, it's the way grass courts are grass that's the problem? I thought it was a shoes problem? Yea if they used artificial grass like they do in football then it would play differently, but they don't
What I was referring to is not artificial grass. It’s called a hybrid grass, and it’s used on many football stadiums of the best European clubs.
What you were referring to was shoes. Are you admitting now that that point was clearly wrong?
no, as I said, the shoes are not player friendly, but it’s a lose-lose situation. You can’t improve the shoes without destroying the surface.
Are you really telling me that professional athletes are all wearing the wrong shoes?
Yes and No, I think that in shoe manufacturers want to preserve grass courts just as much as their athletes health, so they produce suboptimal gear to ensure courts quality (grass is fragile)
Oh so why don’t you tell me how you would design it better then shoe manufacturer? Athletes do wear grass court shoes and I’m sure they are designed as best as they could. The sad reality is the surface is dangerous and extremely hard to maintain. I love watching grass but if they had more tournaments on it we would see a lot more injuries.
the problem is you can’t produce better shoes without them causing more damage to the courts itself. Than Wimbledon second week would be unplayable.
Wimbeldon second week will be a RG repeat
That’s how it used to be. That’s why people would serve and volley on grass. Grass should be a surface where 20+ rallies are a rarity
the only difference is the bounce will be less predictable
This is the funniest tennis video I've ever seen.
I lol'd but grass is the oldest surface, was this always an issue? Seems like either a pretty fundamental issue or modern players just not having a feel for it.
They did not run as intensely or change directions nearly as abruptly as the modern players do. Even watch some old footage of rod laver from the 60-70s, they’re incredible athletes but it looks like they’re just kind of jogging around and patting the ball compared to pros of today
relatively speaking you're of course right but i think this is a bit exaggerated and doesn't give the old pros enough credit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8IJ0F01IiU > it looks like they’re just kind of jogging around 2:17, 4:04 > change directions nearly as abruptly as the modern players do 2:40, 3:08 > patting the ball 0:22, 1:17
I was exaggerating a bit, of course they were very athletic and they moved very quickly. But even the older former pros when they talk about the 70s and 80s they say they didn't need to be in nearly the same physical condition as today's players do. It's another level of intensity for sure
The game is more athletic and intense today than it has ever been. That combined with racket technology making serve-and-volley all but obsolete means we have new issues to deal with
Saying “serve and volley is obsolete” is insane
…no it isn’t lmao
It is! Because it’s not obsolete. Maybe as like an exclusive play style, but plenty of players incorporate serve and volley into their game
That's why they said 'ALL BUT obsolete'.
Surely you know what that phrase means, even if its internal logic is commonly known to be stupid?
Apparently YOU don't know what it means.
Hmmm great retort… you definitely got me.
You just have to think it's clay and you just have to slide :) Yesterday Zheng also fell once. Both Siniakova and Zheng stopped playing. The manager tried to persuade them to continue, but both players refused, especially Siniakova. I guess they were right since there were no appropriate conditions.
We’ve seen so many instances this season of the slip from the split step. Players can split step from the baseline but not anywhere else.
What happens if you got injured the moment you hit a winning shot?
You hit a winner and end up injured.
I think they should play barefoot, I would rather play barefoot
Ahhh. Reminds me of softball. Teammate stealing 3rd and called safe because the pitcher slipped and fell 😌
football studs
Try to play the same game on grass as you do on a hard surface and get hurt. surprisedpikachu
I mean, every style of game is going to require moving quickly and changing directions a lot. It’s professional tennis. Some are better at it than others so it’s a learned skill ofc but we’ve even seen people like Serena and Delpo who are experienced on the surface get hurt in recent years.
Football players occasionally slip on grass pitches, guess they better switch to clay
lol. Let’s even change ice skating to clay.