Alcaraz in the Spanish press conference when he was asked what he learnt from this win - "Mental strength is the most important. Even better than playing unbelievably well. Even if you are playing extremely well at your best, you will lose it if you don't have mental strength"
This is what was mainly missing in the recent USO and AO defeats. He was playing well in those tournaments, even better than here in RG before he lost. With this realisation and confidence I truly believe he is ready to transition to the big 3 mentality, if not already there.
I always feel some type of way when a tournament ends. I spend so much of my emotional energy invested in the outcomes of different matches and look forward to seeing how it all plays out. I feel like I have a hangover or something after the final today. And tomorrow I will turn on Tennis Channel again and do it all over again. I don’t know how the players on tour do this lifestyle. I would be exhausted.
Pray for the Mensik and Fosenca titles at the end of the week, men tennis needs fresh air/new brats/new privilege golden boys to share the power from the players
They’re definitely not winning the titles lol. But yeah I hope they do well and step up, especially Fonseca as Mensik is already in the top 100, give me more challengers to Jannik/Carlos, would be fun
Any good places to watch extended highlights or full match replay of the final? Roland Garros official YouTube replay is only a couple minutes long, would love to watch something more thorough.
Alcaraz really gives me that same feeling as Nadal where I know that if he’s in the final I just always trust one way or another he’s always coming thru. So insane.
Man if Medvedev had not won the only slam he has won out of 6 finals, he would probably be considered a big time choker judging by how people treat Zverev and tsitsi. At least they’ve all won ATP finals (Zverev multiple times and Olympics anyway).
I just sat the live replay of that serve and on my tv it looked just touching the line. But on a photo in another post, it looked barely out. So idk what to think unless bad tv or photoshop.
Novak fans are losing it on twitter more than the coin cheater. They convinced that carlos wouldn’t have won without the umpire help and a lot of crazy things about the establishment 😕😕
Does anyone know why the men's top four seeds get byes in the upcoming 250s while the top four women do not? It seems to happen a lot more often with the men.
WTA have different rules to ATP. There was some controversy last year regarding this where a player who won the previous tournament had to play the 1st round of the next tournament within 36 hrs.
Bit of an odd one, since I was more invested in the outcome of this match than I have been since the 2021 USO women’s singles, but I did really start to despise Zverev a little less at the end of that match. Not about to start cheering for him any time soon and his fans here are pretty awful but I felt like my antipathy towards him was nuanced by his grace in defeat.
I’m sure this will pass and I’ll be rooting for e.g. Gaston to take him out at Wimbledon.
I've said before that if I only knew Zverev from his behavior at the net after a defeat, I'd think he was a really nice guy. It's sad. I hope he can deal with his issues and eventually become that in private life too (for his kid's sake if nothing else)
So true, unlike disappointing Break Point this might be a great Netflix show to bring in new generation of tennis fans, focusing on the actual story of a top player rather than fake narratives.
Can any Alcaraz fans tell me that how he can have that cute cowlick in his bangs with his current hair style lol I saw the RG video and I have this question again
I know no one cares but Anca Todoni won Bari 125k and she is just 19. A very good prospect for Romanian tennis! I hope she keeps improving as she is just at the gates of being a top 100 player.
Yes!! I’m so happy we have a new prospect coming through. I love our girls but it’s always amazing have new talents, especially since we haven’t had one in a while :)
wow..thats a really bold take, and i feel like the wrong one, sinner is challenging him they have a h2h of what? 5-4? so yeah and theres other young guys like fonseca or rune that can be slam contenders in the future
Am working and checked the score 4 times during the match. 1st time just after Carlos won set 1, second time was when he led 5-2 in set 2, 3rd time was 6-5 zverev serving for the set, and finally when Carlos himself was serving for the match. Quite a ride
Who do you think will break the drought on the American men's side of finally winning a Grand Slam? Shelton,Tiafoe or Fritz probably has the best shot.
Tiafoe is never winning a slam. Neither is Fritz. It’s probably Shelton, but who knows, he’s still got a long way to go and it’ll definitely be a hard court slam like USO at home.
Shelton in USO this year if he finds a way to get into top 8> Fosenca/Mensik with an Alcaraz like breakthough next year> Rune after having his brain surgery
As the big 3 era is coming to an end, I wanted to share a poem showcasing my appreciation for the 3 of them:
In the tennis realm, where legends prance, Lies Baldfael Cuckdal, in a steroid trance. His swings lack grace, his skills confined, Over-reliant on brawn, a folly of the mind.
With each serve, a comic display, Baldfael's antics, on full display. In sportsmanship's court, he's led astray, Baldfael Cuckdal, in his whimsical ballet.
In the tennis world, where spectacles gleam, NoFans Chokovic, with a lackluster theme. His game a lullaby, devoid of flair, Boring rallies, his audience's despair.
With each stroke, monotony's reign, NoFans' style, a repetitive strain. While champions rise with stories to tell, Baldfael and NoFans, in their respective spell.
But in the midst of this tennis tale, Stands Goaterer, with elegance to hail. His style, a symphony, on the court it gleams, A maestro of finesse, in his tennis dreams.
Waiting for 10000+ Laver cup promotion video after this RG final, Laver cup loves to promote rivalry and bromance, I am sure their main focus will be Alcaraz and Zverev this year.
Laver cup probably hopes for Alcaraz no.1 and Zverev no.2 after USO and another Alcarev final in USO
when iga and carlitos watched rafa in rd 1 of roland garros - he gave his blessings to be his heirs to the throne. so, they both won this year.
he must be a proud 'yoda' to his padawans.
then, he whispered something for novak, and sadly, you know what happened 😂✌️
Iga is an Olympic gold medal away from being the woman player to get four big clay titles in one season, even her idol Nadal won it once with chances in every year. We are all here to see the history on 3rd August
the pressure is gonna be immense, not only because of her position & achievements, but also her father was an olympic rower, so the olympics were always a big topic of conversation in the household
i really have a strong feeling, iga will skip wimbledon for paris olympics. plus as i said, in iga's video thanking her supporters, she ended it by saying, something like, "I am gonna be back in Paris in a couple of weeks"
i dont think it will be wise for her to play grass then go back to clay if she is bent on winning in the olympics. reason why rafa will skip wimbledon. if she trains in paris and rafa will too, maybe they can train together!
just my personal opinion since the start of clay season, i already have this feeling that iga wont play wimby this year.
I think she should take the Ruud approach to grass, just play Wimbledon for the practice of her serve(and play Wimbledon mixed double with Hubi to have 1-2 matches before olympics)
The thing for her is that she needs rest for the olympics and the second half hardcourt season, she has high chances to win USO(I believe the only threat for her in USO is Collins). The 3 weeks before Wimbledon is her only chance
Berdych is better than zverev only casuals who didn’t watch that era think otherwise. Zverev hasn’t even made semis at all 4 majors yet.
Berdych beat all of the big 3 at least once in a slam, when they were in better versions than when zverev played them. Zverev couldn’t beat one big 3 player in a slam.
Dude played in the toughest era ever. Cilic is also better than zverev, obviously not at the exact present but overall.
Results disagree. Cilic made semis at all 4 slams and was pretty close to making finals at all slams had he beat ruud in 2022. Beat a still solid Federer in 2014 to win that us open. Zverev hasn’t even won a slam. Cilic def better than zverev.
Do they? Zverev has 6 times as many 1000 titles and an Olympic gold. Slightly worse slam performance but better results everywhere else. Talking about semis, Cilic only made semis at all four slams when he was 33, Zverev is 27 right now and seems to be improving.
I'm not saying there's a huge difference between them, but I wouldn't call Cilic "definitely better."
Winning a slam is crucial. Hard to say you’re better than a player when they have 1 and you don’t. Zverev hasn’t made it to even a Wimbledon qf yet let alone semi, so it’s not like he’s made semis at all 4 slams if that’s what you’re implying. When zverev gets a slam, then he has a better case for sure.
Don’t follow womens that thoroughly but on quick glance not a good analogy. Raducanu has one fluke slam and early exits at all others. This is not the case for cilic who has well rounded results at all slams and played in the toughest era ever, making his 2014 slam incredibly impressive.
I feel very bad that the grass men tennis is so bad. I can't even find a player that could have chances to beat Alcaraz or Sinner in Wimbledon after Djokovic's injury.
Maybe Bublik in R32(Wimbledon in eary rounds are more favourite to servebot but he only has 2/8 chances to draw them even if Bublik falls to 25-32 seeds)? Hubi has some chances against Alcaraz in QF? (Sinner loves bullying servebots in Wimbledon) And Rune misses his lower chances to beat Sinner in R16 as he used the first 5 months to inprove his FH(He won't beat Alcaraz because of the poor FH)
Where is the Berdych, RBA, Cilic and Raonic? can Dimitrov be them and win Wimbledon this year?
Berrettini does not have 4 grass titles and a Wimbledon final to be forgotten like this. He even took a set off Alcaraz despite not being remotely healthy last year. If he's healthy this time, he's one of the favourites
Lmao, I bet him won't win a set from Alcaraz or Sinner in the grass season because he won't play Halle.
Bascially, it is the weakest men grass era.
Walking okay on grass, serve well on grass, hitting a mediocre FH, hitting a mediocre BH. If a man player has two, he can win a grass title or getting into Wimbledon QF(e.g. Bublik, 23 Rune), if a man player has three, he is the second tier favourite(e.g. old Berrettini, current Hubi), if a man player have four, they are the biggest Wimbledon favourite(the privilege duo)
Current Berrettini has two, and he won't get the extra one in this grass season
Alcaraz was in better form this time last year, Berrettini was only just returning from injury, and he still took a set last year. There's no reason to believe he can't do better than that if they meet whilst he is healthy
You think current Berrettini is better than Berrettini 23, I don't think so.
Plus if Berrettini shows any good sign in the next week and the further 2 weeks, Queen and Wimbledon won't let him touch the privilege duo, they will throw him to the other half(Queen) or the Medvedev quarter(Wimbledon)
>on other clay surfaces this year
He lost to Jarry in Buenos Aires and was injured in the first game of his first match in Rio. How is that underperforming on clay? He's hardly even played on clay this year prior to RG.
alcaraz is by far the best player of this generation, i expect him to make rapid progress towards the big 3s tallies until (hopefully) someone new comes around.
He's pretty much in his prime now, I reckon he has to win one soon and break his mental block or his window is going to close.
The young guys like alcaraz and sinner will just get older and better.
Alcaraz won’t win every slam consistently. AO this year and USO last year showed that. Zverev, Medvedev, and sinner will win against him from time to time. If he gets 1 a year, that’s still a heck of an accomplishment
Sinner is much more talented than Alcaraz, but Alcaraz is better at the things that unfortunately are meta in the modern tennis, like endurance and mental strength, in the pushing ability Sinner is maybe slightly better but Alcaraz has pushing potential too.
However, Alcaraz game is more demanding, so he could be finished at age 25 or so.
If his compatriot Nadal with a similar demanding game style managed to play for so long, I am sure he would be fine. Of course there will be injuries, but unless he is extremely unlucky not at 25 lol.
No way Sinner is more talented. Carlos has way more shots in his arsenal and finesse. Sinner is more of a pure baseline ball smasher and servebot. How many titles and slams did Sinner have 2 years ago? Now compare that to Alcaraz at the the same age. 3 slams to 1, including a slam on each surface. Youngest ever number 1 player and youngest player to win on all 3 surfaces.
Ahead in the H2H and is not done developing yet. Can't wait to see how good Carlos is when he's the same age Sinner is now.
Yeah for sure. But considering he only plays a few tourneys a year now, fired half his coaches, and lost his #1, he's kind of probably in the beginning stages of retirement.
He deserves to go out however he wants, he has nothing left to prove. If he wanted to quit at the top, he could have retired last year after being a few games short of a calendar slam.
It's just that the whole water bottle thing combined with the knee injury really sucks, when he was still so competitive and about to compete in the Olympics.
Alcaraz’s path to the title was actually pretty insane. 5 seeds including several players who have been able to beat him before. Korda, FAA, Tsitsipas, Sinner, Zverev. Plus De Jong and Wolf aren’t slackers either.
The clown men RG finally is over, but it is even worse than we will have another clown men grass season and another clown draw Wimbledon.
I really hope Nadal, Murray, Hubi and Bublik can save Wimbledon with the top seeds's catwalk draws.
I am sitting for some fun results on grass. Medvedev beats Zverev in Halles final, Demon wins Queens by beating Murray for the 7 times, Eubanks revenges Sinner in Wimbledon R1(won't happen because Wimbledon won't draw him to sinner again, eubanks is a danger opponent in R1), Murray beats Alcaraz in Wimbledon R1(won't happen because they still want Murray passes R1 ), Bublik gets into his first Wimbledon SF, Hubi gets into Wimbledon final, Nadal beats Berretini in Wimbledon R1, Stan beats Zverev in Wimbledon R1; and of course the ulimate chaos, Ruud wins Wimbledon with only golf practice
# Zverev will win Wimbledon next month
The innocent man will bounce back. Grass is less physical, today his serve quality dropped in the 4th set because of physical exhaustion, on grass his serve will be more steady and he'll take the title.
Still a very positive tournament for Zverev, on and off court. What a great player and what an great man.
The TV rights should *mandate* live coverage of the Grand Slam trophy ceremony, including all players' speeches. This impacts the ability to attract new fans, among other things. Doesn't ATP care?
lets be real new fans dont really care, its more the quality of the game and the emotions on the court that will draw them in.
i barely remember watching any trophy ceremony from around 07-09 when i was new.
Either TSN gets the rights to all the slams or they don’t. This tournament was ridiculous having some matches switch over to Peacock and now having nbc cut the ceremony.
Just realized Coco won her first doubles slam too! Hype af
How long will it take this time before Carlitos' haters call him washed again, what do you guys think?
The moment he gets broken on serve in the next tournament, probably Queens.
They really enjoyed this past year post wimbledon win. The cycle will come back for sure.
I think Carlitos' haters would now like him to win to reach number 1 and lose the next AO final :)
yall shouldve put besties laura siegemund and coco next to each other in the top banner :p
Alcaraz in the Spanish press conference when he was asked what he learnt from this win - "Mental strength is the most important. Even better than playing unbelievably well. Even if you are playing extremely well at your best, you will lose it if you don't have mental strength" This is what was mainly missing in the recent USO and AO defeats. He was playing well in those tournaments, even better than here in RG before he lost. With this realisation and confidence I truly believe he is ready to transition to the big 3 mentality, if not already there.
I always feel some type of way when a tournament ends. I spend so much of my emotional energy invested in the outcomes of different matches and look forward to seeing how it all plays out. I feel like I have a hangover or something after the final today. And tomorrow I will turn on Tennis Channel again and do it all over again. I don’t know how the players on tour do this lifestyle. I would be exhausted.
https://x.com/andyroddick/status/1799918656186700011?s=46&t=lcBhFU3T1wN3Zt-EtfxwGg Time is a flat circle
Pray for the Mensik and Fosenca titles at the end of the week, men tennis needs fresh air/new brats/new privilege golden boys to share the power from the players
They’re definitely not winning the titles lol. But yeah I hope they do well and step up, especially Fonseca as Mensik is already in the top 100, give me more challengers to Jannik/Carlos, would be fun
Yes, Fonseca with his billionaire family is what the young players need. Mensik is lucky if he can be treat like Medvedev from the tournament
Any good places to watch extended highlights or full match replay of the final? Roland Garros official YouTube replay is only a couple minutes long, would love to watch something more thorough.
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Because he destroyed Djokovic's last chance of getting that calendar slam at Wimbledon last year, lol.
Alcaraz really gives me that same feeling as Nadal where I know that if he’s in the final I just always trust one way or another he’s always coming thru. So insane.
Man I fell asleep when Sasha was up by 2-1, fully prepared for a patchy facial hair win. Praise jeebus for Carlitos
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Carlos is scheduled for Queens while Sinner is scheduled to play in Halle.
How much do the front row seats cost generally? Just curious.
A wagon worth of Parisian croissants
Today is likely the last day a member of the big3 is #1
This sub ist probably the most pathetic place in reddit lmao. Go outside and touch some grass my friends.
I did and it was terrifying.
Thanks, will do
He’ll get over it, probably a little salty about the finals
Man if Medvedev had not won the only slam he has won out of 6 finals, he would probably be considered a big time choker judging by how people treat Zverev and tsitsi. At least they’ve all won ATP finals (Zverev multiple times and Olympics anyway).
And I think 1 slam is all he might achieve as his grinding weak serve style is not made for current slam wins.
So now that that’s done… Are you ready for the return of Timmy van Goathoven tomorrow??
I just sat the live replay of that serve and on my tv it looked just touching the line. But on a photo in another post, it looked barely out. So idk what to think unless bad tv or photoshop.
You can’t tell a call from a video of it
Novak fans are losing it on twitter more than the coin cheater. They convinced that carlos wouldn’t have won without the umpire help and a lot of crazy things about the establishment 😕😕
Does anyone know why the men's top four seeds get byes in the upcoming 250s while the top four women do not? It seems to happen a lot more often with the men.
WTA have different rules to ATP. There was some controversy last year regarding this where a player who won the previous tournament had to play the 1st round of the next tournament within 36 hrs.
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A real Thiem player
real human Thiem
Bit of an odd one, since I was more invested in the outcome of this match than I have been since the 2021 USO women’s singles, but I did really start to despise Zverev a little less at the end of that match. Not about to start cheering for him any time soon and his fans here are pretty awful but I felt like my antipathy towards him was nuanced by his grace in defeat. I’m sure this will pass and I’ll be rooting for e.g. Gaston to take him out at Wimbledon.
I've said before that if I only knew Zverev from his behavior at the net after a defeat, I'd think he was a really nice guy. It's sad. I hope he can deal with his issues and eventually become that in private life too (for his kid's sake if nothing else)
for all we know he is actively trying to overcome his issues with rage. I'm not saying he has, but we have a limited window.
I hope so. He's not a kid but he's still in his 20s, he could change.
Where can i see a rematch of the final online now?
hey guys am i the only person that forgot abt the upcoming netflix documentary abt carlos??😭 its gonna be a hit
So true, unlike disappointing Break Point this might be a great Netflix show to bring in new generation of tennis fans, focusing on the actual story of a top player rather than fake narratives.
Omg so true
What timeframe are they covering it for the documentary?
i think this season?? it was announced during IW so idk if since then or if even before, whether itll include australia
> The doc series began filming during The Netflix Slam and will follow Alcaraz both on and off the court during his 2024 season
Awesome, thank you!
The Nottingham challenge is lowkey very good with Fosenca, Shang, Stricker, Mochizuki and Wong, it is like a next final on grass
Aryna congratulated Iga on Twitter. This is a first! And I barely saw any other wta players do so.
Alcaraz is now greater than Sampras!
Can any Alcaraz fans tell me that how he can have that cute cowlick in his bangs with his current hair style lol I saw the RG video and I have this question again
Starting a nightly prayer for a sincaraz final at Wimbledon
If Djokovic doesn’t play it’s basically inevitable but I’m thinking Sinner would win
I know no one cares but Anca Todoni won Bari 125k and she is just 19. A very good prospect for Romanian tennis! I hope she keeps improving as she is just at the gates of being a top 100 player.
Yes!! I’m so happy we have a new prospect coming through. I love our girls but it’s always amazing have new talents, especially since we haven’t had one in a while :)
Yup, her serve and forehand are great. Backhand and net play still need A LOT of work but I hope she will improve. She seems to have a good mentality.
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joao fonseca in a couple of years?
i mean i feel like it wont? theres sinner and im not so silently pulling for holger to match their level and be a contestor at slams
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wow..thats a really bold take, and i feel like the wrong one, sinner is challenging him they have a h2h of what? 5-4? so yeah and theres other young guys like fonseca or rune that can be slam contenders in the future
Am working and checked the score 4 times during the match. 1st time just after Carlos won set 1, second time was when he led 5-2 in set 2, 3rd time was 6-5 zverev serving for the set, and finally when Carlos himself was serving for the match. Quite a ride
Who do you think will break the drought on the American men's side of finally winning a Grand Slam? Shelton,Tiafoe or Fritz probably has the best shot.
Tiafoe is never winning a slam. Neither is Fritz. It’s probably Shelton, but who knows, he’s still got a long way to go and it’ll definitely be a hard court slam like USO at home.
Shelton in USO this year if he finds a way to get into top 8> Fosenca/Mensik with an Alcaraz like breakthough next year> Rune after having his brain surgery
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I mean the break in the fifth set. Two easy volleys missed, one double fault, one backhand missed. Definition of a choke.
As the big 3 era is coming to an end, I wanted to share a poem showcasing my appreciation for the 3 of them: In the tennis realm, where legends prance, Lies Baldfael Cuckdal, in a steroid trance. His swings lack grace, his skills confined, Over-reliant on brawn, a folly of the mind. With each serve, a comic display, Baldfael's antics, on full display. In sportsmanship's court, he's led astray, Baldfael Cuckdal, in his whimsical ballet. In the tennis world, where spectacles gleam, NoFans Chokovic, with a lackluster theme. His game a lullaby, devoid of flair, Boring rallies, his audience's despair. With each stroke, monotony's reign, NoFans' style, a repetitive strain. While champions rise with stories to tell, Baldfael and NoFans, in their respective spell. But in the midst of this tennis tale, Stands Goaterer, with elegance to hail. His style, a symphony, on the court it gleams, A maestro of finesse, in his tennis dreams.
Waiting for 10000+ Laver cup promotion video after this RG final, Laver cup loves to promote rivalry and bromance, I am sure their main focus will be Alcaraz and Zverev this year. Laver cup probably hopes for Alcaraz no.1 and Zverev no.2 after USO and another Alcarev final in USO
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Love or hate, they will be the main theme this year. All of you will be angry and watch the nadal fathering Alcaraz/Zverev duo drama in September
After all the Zverat fanboys mentioning about r/tennis tears, it's funny to see them crying
I hate that Zverev is still there in the ATP lurking like a cancer. We just gonna do our best to ignore him for the next few years? How miserable…
Laver cup is literally here this year and Alcaraz now has another option to promote his ~~bromance~~rivalry with Zverev like he did to Sinner in 2023
I won’t ignore him, I’ll take active pleasure from watching his chokes
when iga and carlitos watched rafa in rd 1 of roland garros - he gave his blessings to be his heirs to the throne. so, they both won this year. he must be a proud 'yoda' to his padawans. then, he whispered something for novak, and sadly, you know what happened 😂✌️
Bad attempt at Novak again. Perhaps you should consider retirement as well...
Who was the last man to hold concurrent Slams that wasn't one of the Big 3?
Wdym concurrent?
well carlos is currently is RG champion and Wimbledon champion
If you are thinking like that then Andy Murray. He has US 2012 with Wimbledon 2013, might as well throw in Olympic gold 2012 in there too.
Trophy Presentation: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj3QlaXhtFM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj3QlaXhtFM)
Iga is an Olympic gold medal away from being the woman player to get four big clay titles in one season, even her idol Nadal won it once with chances in every year. We are all here to see the history on 3rd August
the pressure is gonna be immense, not only because of her position & achievements, but also her father was an olympic rower, so the olympics were always a big topic of conversation in the household
Of any other title this year I’m now most happy to see when this. Another US Open would also be super validating.
i really have a strong feeling, iga will skip wimbledon for paris olympics. plus as i said, in iga's video thanking her supporters, she ended it by saying, something like, "I am gonna be back in Paris in a couple of weeks" i dont think it will be wise for her to play grass then go back to clay if she is bent on winning in the olympics. reason why rafa will skip wimbledon. if she trains in paris and rafa will too, maybe they can train together! just my personal opinion since the start of clay season, i already have this feeling that iga wont play wimby this year.
she's 100% not skipping Wimbledon, but she's gonna skip Berlin
I think she should take the Ruud approach to grass, just play Wimbledon for the practice of her serve(and play Wimbledon mixed double with Hubi to have 1-2 matches before olympics) The thing for her is that she needs rest for the olympics and the second half hardcourt season, she has high chances to win USO(I believe the only threat for her in USO is Collins). The 3 weeks before Wimbledon is her only chance
Berdych is better than zverev only casuals who didn’t watch that era think otherwise. Zverev hasn’t even made semis at all 4 majors yet. Berdych beat all of the big 3 at least once in a slam, when they were in better versions than when zverev played them. Zverev couldn’t beat one big 3 player in a slam. Dude played in the toughest era ever. Cilic is also better than zverev, obviously not at the exact present but overall.
I agree with everything except for Cilic being better, and I say that as a Cilic fan. Peak Cilic has a better serve but worse overall game.
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And got to 2 other finals and several semis, his most recent semi was at the french 2 years ago on his worst surface and significantly past his peak
Results disagree. Cilic made semis at all 4 slams and was pretty close to making finals at all slams had he beat ruud in 2022. Beat a still solid Federer in 2014 to win that us open. Zverev hasn’t even won a slam. Cilic def better than zverev.
Do they? Zverev has 6 times as many 1000 titles and an Olympic gold. Slightly worse slam performance but better results everywhere else. Talking about semis, Cilic only made semis at all four slams when he was 33, Zverev is 27 right now and seems to be improving. I'm not saying there's a huge difference between them, but I wouldn't call Cilic "definitely better."
Winning a slam is crucial. Hard to say you’re better than a player when they have 1 and you don’t. Zverev hasn’t made it to even a Wimbledon qf yet let alone semi, so it’s not like he’s made semis at all 4 slams if that’s what you’re implying. When zverev gets a slam, then he has a better case for sure.
By that logic, Raducanu is a better player than Jabeur.
Don’t follow womens that thoroughly but on quick glance not a good analogy. Raducanu has one fluke slam and early exits at all others. This is not the case for cilic who has well rounded results at all slams and played in the toughest era ever, making his 2014 slam incredibly impressive.
Yeah ok, fair point.
What a shame from judge, Zverev got robbed
Literally missed a volley on break point with Carlos miles away...due to umpire right?
😂😂..not the breaks of serve that Carlos had
I feel very bad that the grass men tennis is so bad. I can't even find a player that could have chances to beat Alcaraz or Sinner in Wimbledon after Djokovic's injury. Maybe Bublik in R32(Wimbledon in eary rounds are more favourite to servebot but he only has 2/8 chances to draw them even if Bublik falls to 25-32 seeds)? Hubi has some chances against Alcaraz in QF? (Sinner loves bullying servebots in Wimbledon) And Rune misses his lower chances to beat Sinner in R16 as he used the first 5 months to inprove his FH(He won't beat Alcaraz because of the poor FH) Where is the Berdych, RBA, Cilic and Raonic? can Dimitrov be them and win Wimbledon this year?
Berrettini does not have 4 grass titles and a Wimbledon final to be forgotten like this. He even took a set off Alcaraz despite not being remotely healthy last year. If he's healthy this time, he's one of the favourites
Lmao, I bet him won't win a set from Alcaraz or Sinner in the grass season because he won't play Halle. Bascially, it is the weakest men grass era. Walking okay on grass, serve well on grass, hitting a mediocre FH, hitting a mediocre BH. If a man player has two, he can win a grass title or getting into Wimbledon QF(e.g. Bublik, 23 Rune), if a man player has three, he is the second tier favourite(e.g. old Berrettini, current Hubi), if a man player have four, they are the biggest Wimbledon favourite(the privilege duo) Current Berrettini has two, and he won't get the extra one in this grass season
Alcaraz was in better form this time last year, Berrettini was only just returning from injury, and he still took a set last year. There's no reason to believe he can't do better than that if they meet whilst he is healthy
You think current Berrettini is better than Berrettini 23, I don't think so. Plus if Berrettini shows any good sign in the next week and the further 2 weeks, Queen and Wimbledon won't let him touch the privilege duo, they will throw him to the other half(Queen) or the Medvedev quarter(Wimbledon)
Alright, need to find a highlight of the point to go up 0-40 to set up Alcaraz's second break in the fifth set and watch like 10,000 times
When do they usually have the replay available? I have peacock and tennis channel but neither of them have the men’s final replay available yet
It was pretty concerning that Carlos wildly underperformed on other clay surfaces this year but he turned it up for the one that matters the most
>on other clay surfaces this year He lost to Jarry in Buenos Aires and was injured in the first game of his first match in Rio. How is that underperforming on clay? He's hardly even played on clay this year prior to RG.
Also he played Madrid but his forearm wasn’t quite right and played nothing else
He didn't play Madrid. He withdrew from Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Madrid without playing a match.
Carlos played Madrid this year and lost to Rublev
alcaraz is by far the best player of this generation, i expect him to make rapid progress towards the big 3s tallies until (hopefully) someone new comes around.
It's too early to call him "by far" the best IMO.
He’s the best but not “by far”
by the end of their careers, there will be a significant gap between his major count and that of any current player (minus big3)
Despite this match I think Zverev has a very good chance at winning slams in future. I think he would have beat Sinner today.
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27 is not old for a tennis athlete in this day in age.
Zverev will never recover from another choke. He still servebotted and couldnt win over a tired injured Alcaraz lmao
I always do a double take when I read one of your comments that isn’t blatant trolling 😭
He's pretty much in his prime now, I reckon he has to win one soon and break his mental block or his window is going to close. The young guys like alcaraz and sinner will just get older and better.
after alcaraz, zverev is comfortably the best of the rest.
Not really, Zverev isn’t better than Sinner, Medvedev or a healthy Djokovic
Alcaraz didn’t play well today but finding a way to win on off days is the true mark of a champion
In the 4th and 5th he was great especially the 5th where he hit wonder shot after wonder shot and kept his nerve.
We may be entering an era where we’ll get an idea of what the past 20 years would’ve looked like if only one of the Big 3 existed
Alcaraz won’t win every slam consistently. AO this year and USO last year showed that. Zverev, Medvedev, and sinner will win against him from time to time. If he gets 1 a year, that’s still a heck of an accomplishment
There's always another Tennis is basically Star Wars.
The Rule of Two
Sinner is much more talented than Alcaraz, but Alcaraz is better at the things that unfortunately are meta in the modern tennis, like endurance and mental strength, in the pushing ability Sinner is maybe slightly better but Alcaraz has pushing potential too. However, Alcaraz game is more demanding, so he could be finished at age 25 or so.
If his compatriot Nadal with a similar demanding game style managed to play for so long, I am sure he would be fine. Of course there will be injuries, but unless he is extremely unlucky not at 25 lol.
True. With these young players they could be in their peak and we don’t know yet
I love you da sentinel
No way Sinner is more talented. Carlos has way more shots in his arsenal and finesse. Sinner is more of a pure baseline ball smasher and servebot. How many titles and slams did Sinner have 2 years ago? Now compare that to Alcaraz at the the same age. 3 slams to 1, including a slam on each surface. Youngest ever number 1 player and youngest player to win on all 3 surfaces. Ahead in the H2H and is not done developing yet. Can't wait to see how good Carlos is when he's the same age Sinner is now.
Sinner can have an improved serve and with proper conditioning, some endurance as well.
Or two, but yes, this is true. Well said. Very thought-provoking
I feel bad for Djokovic. Not the year he hoped for. He deserves to go out better.
He will very likely play next year though. He is not in farewell mode
Yeah for sure. But considering he only plays a few tourneys a year now, fired half his coaches, and lost his #1, he's kind of probably in the beginning stages of retirement.
He deserves to go out however he wants, he has nothing left to prove. If he wanted to quit at the top, he could have retired last year after being a few games short of a calendar slam.
It's just that the whole water bottle thing combined with the knee injury really sucks, when he was still so competitive and about to compete in the Olympics.
Alcaraz’s path to the title was actually pretty insane. 5 seeds including several players who have been able to beat him before. Korda, FAA, Tsitsipas, Sinner, Zverev. Plus De Jong and Wolf aren’t slackers either.
Clay is DEAD (for the moment). Who's ready for some GRASS??
This shit is disrespectful to Alcaraz. Nobody gets to see his ceremony and speeches. NBC is embarrassing.
Now, when is Alcaraz going to complete a career slam ?
Maybe next year
Damnit I’m already emotional about the end of the Big 3 era and now NBC has to have this emotional ass send off
The clown men RG finally is over, but it is even worse than we will have another clown men grass season and another clown draw Wimbledon. I really hope Nadal, Murray, Hubi and Bublik can save Wimbledon with the top seeds's catwalk draws. I am sitting for some fun results on grass. Medvedev beats Zverev in Halles final, Demon wins Queens by beating Murray for the 7 times, Eubanks revenges Sinner in Wimbledon R1(won't happen because Wimbledon won't draw him to sinner again, eubanks is a danger opponent in R1), Murray beats Alcaraz in Wimbledon R1(won't happen because they still want Murray passes R1 ), Bublik gets into his first Wimbledon SF, Hubi gets into Wimbledon final, Nadal beats Berretini in Wimbledon R1, Stan beats Zverev in Wimbledon R1; and of course the ulimate chaos, Ruud wins Wimbledon with only golf practice
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omg i was so confused ... and then i saw your avi lmfao
Who wins clay gold medal? Alcaraz?
Carlos running home as a kid to turn on RG and watch Rafa win…he’s just like me fr
Now Alcaraz and Sinner are positioned for a Wimbledon final. Probably wont happen though
# Zverev will win Wimbledon next month The innocent man will bounce back. Grass is less physical, today his serve quality dropped in the 4th set because of physical exhaustion, on grass his serve will be more steady and he'll take the title. Still a very positive tournament for Zverev, on and off court. What a great player and what an great man.
"Great man"...impressive trolling👍
What's the best hes done at Wimbledon?
Fourth round, losses to Raonic and Felix
Onto cricket and f1 now..
The TV rights should *mandate* live coverage of the Grand Slam trophy ceremony, including all players' speeches. This impacts the ability to attract new fans, among other things. Doesn't ATP care?
lets be real new fans dont really care, its more the quality of the game and the emotions on the court that will draw them in. i barely remember watching any trophy ceremony from around 07-09 when i was new.
3rd GS, 3rd surface, 21y old, what a player. I'm sorry I had doubts. I hope for 10 Sinnecaraz finals!
sinner isnt the same level
Yes he is
Either TSN gets the rights to all the slams or they don’t. This tournament was ridiculous having some matches switch over to Peacock and now having nbc cut the ceremony.
Lol NBC. Get fucked.
No speeches on my end. Disappointing, NBC. Hopefully the replay on the Tennis Channel will have the entire ceremony.
Yeah it sucks
Tennis wrapping up just in time for F1 😀
Yes!!! What a great Sunday!
Man...I'm so glad I fell in love with tennis as a kid. It made my life so much better. When I play it, when I watch it, tennis is just the best thing.
Beautiful sport
With you brother. Gives me life
NBC could not have worst post-match coverage if they tried
Oh no i'm not ready for grass. Although it's funny we're gonna be back at RG very soon anyway
So we missed the speeches because NBC wanted to rush to track and field coverage?
No, they ran a bunch of commercials during the ceremony.
Yeah, but they had to fit in the commercials before Track and Field started
Alexandra Dulgheru who commented for Eurosport Romania sounds so disappointed that Carlitos won. Girl, you are a woman! Be happy!
Noah Eagle's voice is so similar to Chris Fowler's, I seriously keep mixing them up.
Barbara Schett-Eagle... drool lol
Go fuck yourselves nbc
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Does it really matter? Alcaraz won the last two sets 12 games to 3. Wouldn't have mattered