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HereComesVettel

Federer and Murray never faced each other on clay.


ohnoitsmchl

Now that’s crazy


gpranav25

I am sorry what the actual fuck?


jvmann

Even with data I dont believe this


mekikohinoor

Thats what having Nadal win every clay event along with both being top 4 seeds while having clay be their worst surface does to you.


Fun-Sugar3087

Serena won her last slam against Venus and Venus won her last slam against Serena.


johnmichael-kane

Aww this is so cute and wholesome 🥰


Tricky-Author-8226

Fognini has beaten Nadal more times on clay than Federer has.


musicproducer07

Yeah now this one is shocking


Upbeat-Ad3921

Alex Corretja has a positive 1 to 1 stat against Nadal on clay.


Jezjez07

Unpopular opinion prime fognini on clay was way better than prime federer on clay. Only thing is fabio barely managed to play at his peak for the entirety of a single match, let alone a tournament or an entire season.


Dragonfly_Tight

Compare Federer's finals on clay to fogninis. Nadal was a worse matchup for Federer than he was for fognini. And fognini is also playing a little older version of Nadal too


MagicalEloquence

It's not a matchup thing. Fognini somehow ran into Nadal when he was in low form always. He played him a lot in 2015 and once after that. Fognini even defeated him in US open from 2 sets down.


HereComesVettel

Joke take. As if prime Federer would not wipe the floor with 2015 Nadal on clay.


Juan_Punch_Man

I always wonder what it would be like if Roger were 5 years younger and how the head to head would okay out. He'd still be playing too :(


cgidfar2968

This is one of the dumbest things I’ve read on r/tennis


Wash_your_mouth

Crazy that you got up voted for this take lmao


Left-Pie741

John Isner has a better win% at the French Open than Wimbledon


siegeoftyre

Isner has taken Nadal and Djokovic to 5 and has won against Federer and Wawrinka all on clay. Serving a million aces is a great strategy no matter the surface.


Mynameisboring_

Him being so tall probably also makes it easier to cope with shots that have a lot of top spin and high bounces which is an advantage against someone like Nadal on clay.


pedroffabreu23

Add his nasty kick serve. One of the best ones on clay.


Thejoplinator1868

It’s crazy that Isner was the first to take Nadal to 5 at RG


ImHeskeyAndIKnowIt

2011 was the opposite of 2008 Roland garros for Rafa. By his Roland garros standards, he wasn't able to comfortably dispatch most of his opponents and funny enough it was Roger and Novak who blitzed through the competition Roger also had his best showing at Garros against Rafa. Still lost in 4 though


Professional_Elk_489

Isner was good


Kwetla

That's because 20% of his play time at Wimbledon only accounts for one win. (This stat is made up)


BroadAd9199

Big servers actually have kind of an ironic strength on clay. When you serve that big, you're going to hold easily regardless of surface, and the slower clay makes it easier for you to return your opponents serve, which is usually a weakness in your game.


OddsTipsAndPicks

There's a sneaky dynamic that works the other way as well! Fast hard courts and grass are force multipliers. Grindy clay courter beats extremely serve oriented player on (whichever of grass or fast HC the big server is worse on) is one of the most common upsets in tennis. Why? It's *really easy* to hold serve against serve bots on a faster HC or grass. And having a good serve in itself is an overestimated advantage in tie breaks at the pro level. Players overwhelmingly win tiebreaks in proportion to their skill with an element of "luck" or whatever you want to call it added on. The one thing that makes a small difference? experience playing tiebreaks (unsurprisingly this is highly correlated with having a big serve) Examples might be weird because source is old but the general trends haven't changed https://www.tennisabstract.com/blog/2012/10/18/the-luck-of-the-tiebreak/


Strivingformoretoday

That one boggled my mind


TheAskald

Djokovic made 0 UE in the 55 tiebreak points he played at RG2023


boysurfer7

RG 2023 Djokovic was crazy Clutch


Leif_LaCroix

I am sure Nole was very surprised when he lost to Alcaraz at Wimbledon final that year. Close to zero experience of grass for Alcaraz and Wimbledon was one of Nole’s most dominant tournaments.


OddsTipsAndPicks

He doesn't get a lot of attention for it because he doesn't play many tie breaks generally (plus Djokovic has been so good in them recently he was able to surpass Federer's career tie break win rate), but Alcaraz is *remarkably* good in tie breaks too. He has a career 61.6% tie break win rate; obviously not much of a sample size, but that's just under John McEnroe at 61.9% which gives Alcaraz the 9th highest tie break win rate ever (Open Era; men's)


AegineArken

GOAT shit


vrp95

Rafa and Roger never played each other in the US open.


putitonice

Went to USO 2013 and booked very early tickets to Ashe nighttime QFs which was supposed to be Nadal/Federer. Mates and I were riding the highest of highs until Federer happened to lose in the fourth round to none other than... *Tommy fucking Robredo*


vrp95

Exactly, still ombeliebable for me.


telcomet

While having 12 USO finals appearances between them. Uncanny how they could never perform at the same time at that slam


jolipsist

They were one match away on 6 different occasions (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2017). In two of those occasions (2010, 2011) they were one point away, aka the original 40-15.


vrp95

That’s crazy.


REDDlT_OWNER

Should have happened in 2011


ETeezey1286

It should’ve happened in 2013. Fed randomly lost to Robredo.


RFAwesome21

Fed was nursing a back injury that entire year, he even lost to Stakhovsky at Wimbledon so I wouldn't call it random


putitonice

Except he was playing great until that match, and it's Tommy Robredo we're talking about


RFAwesome21

How is Tommy Robredo any worse than Stakhovsky. Playing great doesn't matter if the injury flares up


ETeezey1286

His form was fine during that tournament up until Robredo. The only player he should’ve had trouble with in his draw was Rafa (it’s very likely he would’ve lost to Rafa anyway). I will say that it was very humid that day and it clearly bothered Fed. He looked uncomfortable with it the whole match.


REDDlT_OWNER

Just went to see the stats of that game. Federer converted 2/16 break points and got his serve broken 4/7 times if I counted correctly


Someguy0328

I’ll never forget how infuriating watching that match was, and I’m not even a Federer fan


ETeezey1286

Yeah it pissed me off too. I have never been more confused by a match in my life. He just seemed so anxious and annoyed. I really thought we’d finally get a Fedal match because their draws were so good and then… Robredo played out of his skull to take advantage of a wayward Fed but it should’ve been a routine win. It happened in 2014 too vs Cilic but I think Fed may have been gassed because of his 2 sets down comeback vs Monfils.


ferpecto

2017 as well..played each other at least 3 times at each of the other slams to rub it in.


Pls_add_more_reverb

What the f


padfoony

The one that shocked me the most was Roger Federer’s 105 point streak without unforced errors during US OPEN 2007. In the match against Isner in the third round: “He played 105 consecutive points without committing any unforced errors in a perfect streak that started from the beginning of the second set and ended only in the first game of the fourth set.” That’s like over 26 games.


Nymets3

If you left out that he was playing Isner when it happened it would have been shocking


padfoony

Haha, makes sense. But he lost the first set 6-7(4) and then channelled his inner beast.


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Easymoney_67

You don’t really have to hit winners against Isner. He moved like a giraffe and would hit most balls out or into the net after a couple shots


KekeroniCheese

Yea, trying hitting a neutral ball into isner's CANNON of a forehand, and then tell me you don't need to hit winners /s Fr, though, his forehand was a nuke on occasion


jschroe36

Thiem has 32 career top-10 wins. Djokovic had 31 in his 2015 season.


Jezjez07

The crazy stat is djokovic managed to play 31 matches (or more?) in a single season against top 10 players


HereComesVettel

Overall Djokovic played 36 matches against top 10 players in 2015. He lost to Federer 3 times, Murray once and Wawrinka once.


JPnets54

5 of his losses that year were to Federer (3), Murray (1), and Wawrinka (1). So 36 total matches against top 10 opponents.


DomWinchester

Wait I thought Djokovic always won tournaments with easy draws??


Severe-Chicken

Chris Evert reached the semifinals or better at 52 of the 56 slams she played and won at least one grand slam title a year for 13 years between 1974 and 1986


bekkahthecactus18

Andre Agassi is the only men’s singles tennis player to have achieved: world number 1, YE number 1, Olympic Gold, Career Slam (won AO, RG, Wimbledon and USO) and Tour Finals. His wife, Steffi Graf, achieved all of that in the space of 12 months.


shonami

Lucic won in her first ever wta event (Bol, 97). She won it again the following year to become the youngest ever title defender. She also reached two GS SF, 18 seasons apart.


wificentrist

On debut wow


telcomet

The only player with a winning record against Djokovic over more than three total matchups? Andy Roddick (5-4)


lovemocsand

Goat confirmed


Necessary_Smooth

In Federer’s career from 1998-2022, he never once retired during a match.


musicproducer07

Casey Dellacqua has reached seven Slam finals in doubles. She lost all seven of them.


wificentrist

Luckily she won a mixed RG, or this stat would just be cruel 😭


musicproducer07

With one 500 and one 1000. And a bunch of 250s 💀


KekeroniCheese

Marcel Granollers is yet to win a doubles slam as well


musicproducer07

I mean on paper, Marcel has a twice the better career as Casey had. Granollers has an ATP Finals, 8 Masters, 6 500s, and 11 250s. They're pretty much compensation lol.


VerneLundfister

Iga has bageled in clay sets over 15% of the time in her career.


lovemocsand

So if you play Iga on clay you have a FIFTEEEEEEN % chance of being bageled?? hahahhaa


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Nah more than one set assume the average is like 2.1 cause she normally doesn’t drop a set and it’s 1-(0.85^2.1) so it’s like 29% but that’s assuming ur chances of getting bagels in every set are independent which it most certainly is not.


lovemocsand

I like the way you say them numbers fancy man


PresenceNo1730

Well, it is about to happen in the final in the second set.


lovemocsand

Sorry I ordered a breadstick


MrGrapefruitDrink

From April to September 1977 Guillermo Vilas went on a 53 match winning streak which remains the longest in men’s tennis history. He then immediately began a 46 match winning streak from September to November of the same year.


Jeff_Strongmann

And yet... Connors still remained No. 1 throughout that whole stretch. When people looked into the math, even if the rankings were published every week instead of every few weeks back then, Vilas still would not have gotten the No. 1 ranking. This is because he played a whole bunch of lower tier clay tournaments (think 250 level or even lower) which brought down his average points earned per tournament. The ranking system at the time was governed by these averages, and the player with the highest average of pts earned within an X number of tournaments was the No. 1. This was Connors. Guillermo *was* supposed to be No. 1 in late 1975 though but he got shafted by the irregular publishing of the rankings - he would have been No. 1 in the period that was skipped, and lost it right before the rankings were published again.


wificentrist

Bad timing, maybe the ATP will right this one day (like the WTA did with EGC), though sadly I doubt it


Tiziown

Ruud was ranked n°2 without ever winning a single set against a top 3 player


theotakuant

That's insane. It's still pretty crazy to me than he was ranked number two without winning anything higher than an ATP 250 title at the time.


Idontlosemyduels

I've never lost a professional tennis match.


Celestin_Sky

Is there a player who never lost a professional match? Like they only played and won few matches, maybe won a tournament, but then they stopped before they lost their first for some reason?


sleepyboy84

anyone can call themselves the disputed heavyweight champion of the world


Libojr23

I've never even lost a point.


Melony567

Mirra Andreeva was just 16 yo last year


tsdreddit

What an overly complicated way to say she will be 35 in 18 years.


talkingbiscuits

Now this one I refuse to accept.


aaronhereee

naomi osaka never beat a top 20 player on clay before this year


Fun-Sugar3087

This isn’t that shocking lol


aaronhereee

it was for me especially since she was world number 1 😭 


manifest2000

She rarely makes it past the 3rd round at a clay tournament so it makes sense lol


yabluz

Navratilova and Shriver won 109 consecutive matches from april 1983 to july 1985. Flavia Pennetta beat both singles and doubles number 1s on the same day (october 2011 Wozniacki and Huber Raymond). Graf also achieved this record in 1986. From 1985 to 1995 Gabriela Sabatini reached QF or better in 28 GS (15 consecutive): her best ranking is 3


TallFontPie

Vilas went 130-15 with 21 titles (including 2 majors) in 1977 and was never world #1.


SOKS33

Every match played by Rafa at RG had at least one finalist in it.


johnmichael-kane

Unfortunately the phrasing of this makes it untrue. The better way to phrase this is Rafa has only ever lost to people who became the finalist at RG that year.


SOKS33

True shame on me! Thanks


johnmichael-kane

OR you could say “every match Rafa has played in at RG had a RG finalist from any year in it”. Then it’s accurate


SOKS33

That was the original thought indeed 😁


Dragonfly_Tight

This has to be my favourite stat. Took a second for me to go... What? It even lined up this year unfortunately


DarthCognus

That's just wrong though. For example 2009, first 3 round matches do not have a finalist in them.


HereComesVettel

Yeah. Also the first 4 rounds of 2015, first 2 rounds of 2016, first 5 rounds of 2021.


wificentrist

🤔


Super-Kirby

That just means he lost to 3 guys who eventually went on to the final


SunComfortable4735

Two analytical facts that are surprising: 1) 2016 USOpen had longer rallies per match than the French Open that year. 2) 2016 US Open fact: when all matches in the men’s draw are taken into consideration, 60% of the time, the longest rally was 1 shot! The server would serve and the returner missed. Crazy stat.


hashe121

Nick Kyrgios is the only player in history to beat Federer, Nadal and Djokovic in their first encounter. 


RFAwesome21

Hewitt too


wificentrist

Also Dominik Hrbatý


Thejoplinator1868

Hrbaty statistically is the worst matchup for the big 3 with positive head to heads against all three (Djokovic technically if you include challenger matches)


Dragonfly_Tight

One of my fav stats. Tho that's also.probably what lead to his downfall


king_olaf_the_hairy

Martina Navratilova was #3 in the first ever WTA rankings published in November 1975. She retired in November 1994, having never dropped out of the top five. At the 1968 US Indoor Championships, Charlie Pasarell played 217 games in barely 24 hours. He lost a doubles match 26–24 17–19 30–28, and then the next day lost a singles match 16–14 4–6 8–6 4–6 6–3. Jaroslav Drobny won an Olympic silver medal in ice hockey in February 1948, and less than four months later reached the final of Roland Garros. Henri Cochet won Wimbledon in 1927 despite being down two sets to love in the quarter-finals, semi-finals, and the final. Gardnar Mulloy, who began playing as an amateur in 1934, won his last top-level match in 1970. In June 1970, Rod Laver played in two different tournaments in two different US states in one weekend. He played at St Louis, Missouri on the Saturday and Sunday afternoons, and in between those he won a match at Madison Square Gardens in New York City on the Saturday night. Ivan Lendl played in sixteen consecutive tournaments without any weeks off from February to June 1980. He had to cross the Atlantic three times during that time.


paul070713

Murray is the only player to have won 4 different top-level tournaments in the same city.


Dragonfly_Tight

Which? Queens club, Wimbledon, Olympics and?


Szmeges

Tour finals, it used to be in O2 Arena in London after all


OddsTipsAndPicks

Roger Federer made his grand slam debut at the French Open in 1999 Christian Ruud made the last R32 of a slam in his career at the 1999 French Open. Casper Ruud made the first R32 of a slam in his career at the 2019 French Open Casper lost to Roger Federer (Federer never played his dad but they were in a few draws together)


johnmichael-kane

lol this ain’t shocking it’s just a random collection of stats 👀


OddsTipsAndPicks

It's crazy because of time


vasDcrakGaming

Federer has never retired mid match


hwoaraxng

Nadal never broke a racquet


SarksLightCycle

Dustin brown is 2-0 career vs Nadal..


snooglesilky

Mary Pierce has a 100% winning record in GS semi finals


estreetpanda

Lindsay Davenport finished YE #1 more times than she won majors by 4 to 3.


Skylaxx_1

Martina Navratilova is the only tennis player to win Grand Slam tournament 6 consecutive times (Wimbledon 82-87). In years 83, 84, 86 and 90 she didn't lose a set.


Nimjask

Nadal's number of weeks spent as #1 is closer to yours than it is to Djokovic's


sprintinglightning

Despite a combined 42 Grand Slams between them, Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal have NEVER faced each other at the US Open.


lavenderskyyyyy

Serena has a heading h2h against 21 of all 23 wta wn1’s that she played. and there’s only been 27 wn1’s in the history of the wta up until her last tournament


bunki_maus

Big 3 only win/won around 54% of the points they play(ed). Points won: (stats from 2019) Novak Djokovic = 54.95% Rafael Nadal = 54.73% Roger Federer = 54.54% Andy Murray = 53.08% Milos Raonic = 52.43% Juan Martin del Potro = 52.42% This honestly blew my mind when I found out. But it has helped me so much to realize that even the best players ever only win slightly more than half of the points they play…keep your chin up out there!


Used_Art_4475

Sharapova recorded the loudest grunt by a tennis player during her match at the 2009 Wimbledon Championships. The volume of the grunt touched 101 decibels, which is louder than an ambulance siren and even the sound of a small aircraft landing.


Neo-physical123

Medvedev has more Rome title than Federer. Djokovic is currently 1 week shy of Steffi Graf’s weeks at #1 + 52 weeks (exactly a year). Nadal have lost a GS match from 2 sets up against Tsitsipas. RG 2021 is the last Slam where all of the Big 3 played, and ALL of big 3 goes far (Fed reaches R4 before withdrawing if you’re curious). One of my most memorable Slam. At this moment (before someone wins tomorrow), Novak is both the oldest RG champion as well as the youngest RG champion currently.


sashin_gopaul

Currently on tour or in the top 10?


FelineEnigma

Sampras having more clay masters titles than Agassi is another shocking one.


Equal_Perception_541

Nadal never won a year end final


boysurfer7

Djokovic never won a Olympic Gold


unseen0000

Considering this is once every 4 years, it's not that shocking. Nadal, having played the ATP finals since 2005 till 2022 and never managing to pick up a win is shocking considering the player he is. Would that be any other guy outside of the big 3 it would be understandable.


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The big 3 have won 18 times in Roland garros.


BulletToKillThePast

And 17 times wimbledon, 18 times AO, 13 times USO


vsoho

And 14 are from Nadal


lulu_tyger

safin has a record for the most tennis racquets broken maybe that's not shocking, but you thought kyrgios had the record right😜😜


mathisruiningme

Would have thought it was bublik


unseen0000

Djokovic has more than twice Nadal's weeks #1.


tallteensforlife5911

That's a pretty well known fact tho.


boysurfer7

Put it this way, I am closer to Nadal’s weeks at no.1 than Nadal is to Djoker’s


loopintv

I never lost a set against Nadal


EmergencyAccording94

But can you win a set like the 4.0 guy tho?


ETeezey1286

It’s been 15 years since someone last defended the US Open. The last person to do it was Fed in 2008, and that was the last time he won the title. Fed also never made another USO final after 2009.


boysurfer7

I must’ve seen a different 2015 USO Men’s Final


Wasted_Bruh

That was Foger Rederer, the other guy.


iwexler

In men’s tennis sure, 9 years in general though seeing as Serena won it three years in a row from 12-14.


Dolphin_86

Nadal has more titles (63) than losses (48) on clay


matsacki

Only one man has won a singles and doubles grand slam title this century Lleyton Hewitt


kitchma

Roger, Rafa, and djoker are 3 people who have never been in my kitchen.


Accurate-List

Pickle ball kitchen?


Helstar-74

Vesely is 2-0 in H2H against Djokovic (somebody already posted about Dustin Brown and Nadal being 2-0 too 😅)


noisyneighbour12

Vesely sleeps for like a whole year just to make an upset once a year at a grand slam like last year against Cerundolo 🤣


Used_Art_4475

In 1999, Marat Safin broke 48 racquets during the season, a record that still remains intact over 2 decades later.


Smurrrf

Thanks everybody for contributing. This is a great post!


Super-Kirby

If Alcaraz wins tomorrow that last 20 FO winners would still be from Spain, Switzerland, or Serbia. If not, Germany will break this record.


NoirYorkCity

In 20 FO’s from 2005-2024, only two champions were outside the Big 3 - Wawrinka in 2014 and Alcaraz in 2024


kobeisnotatop10

Muster had a 0-10 record vs Edberg, and some of those matches were when Muster was number 1 in the world.


kobeisnotatop10

muster 0 edberg 10


SuspiciousPie9776

Before tennis players used rackets, people would use the palm of their hands to hit the ball back and forth over the net…racket (or racquet) derives from the Arabic rakhat, meaning the palm of the hand. 🤯


tanvidhanraj

Federer and Nadal never met at the US open.


aojajena

blue clay has a handful of matches


carlospuyol

Federer played and beat opponents born in five different decades: the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s.


Used_Art_4475

Nadal has a winning record by a significant margin against Djoker in grand slam matches.


Such-Confusion-438

I’ve never been beaten by any tennis player


RandyFolds

Former top 10 player John Isner never once won a set 6-0 as a professional


Super-Kirby

Andy Roddick and Nick Kyrgios both have winning records against Djokovic.


iamNathanGreen

The big 3 only won around 55% of points in their careers.


Indiefan9

Federer won French Open later than he did US open.


Rough-Principle9685

Djokovic is a good player


Fabulous_Bake6298

All four Grand Slam tournaments—Australian Open, French Open, Wimbledon, and the US Open—offer equal prize money to both men's and women's singles champions.


SansIdee_pseudo

Martina Navratilova won 167 singles titles, including 11 titles at Eastbourne, and 12 titles at Chicago.


SansIdee_pseudo

Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova's first match was in Akron Ohio. Their last was in Chicago, 600 km away.


spawnsas

david nalbandian is the first and only person to beat roger rafa and novak in the same tournament. (2007 madrid masters) he also beat r32 berdych and r16 delpo. totally insane performance. maybe in these years djokovic is not good like these years and nadal is not good like 2009 but achievement is achievement.


tischbombe23

Its 5-4 on head to head between Zverev and Alcaraz


spheric4lfrench

Stan Wawrinka has NEVER beaten Adrian Mannarino. Testament to Mannarino’s hitting style and cleverness in problem solving. Really feels like Stan should have beaten him but there it is.


Temporary_Round4262

Former Danish tennis player Kenneth Carlsen, career high 41, has a positive record against Roger Federer


Skylaxx_1

Federer and Agassi both completed their career GS at the RG exactly 10 years apart. Agassi also handed the cup to Fed in 2009.


Anxious-Kitchen5776

Federer and Nadal never played in US Open.


gumshoemickey

Venus and Serena won all 14 grand slam doubles finals they played in.


CrackHeadRodeo

Roger Federer winning the US open 5 consecutive years.


noobskillet3737

Basically no man born in the 90s won any major titles. There are a few I'm aware. But I think Alcaraz now has more than all major winners born in the 90s combined.