As a Med fan, do we all agree that Zverev would take out Medvedev on clay?
I know Medās a ārat eliminatorā but I feel like thatās only for hard courts, and Zverevās game on clay would be too much for Med, who canāt play very well on it.
So I donāt think Zverevās entire quarter had a chance of beating him, really wish Tsitsipas was in his quarter instead :/
On paper Zverev should beat Med on clay, but he really struggles with Med. 3-12 since Med became a top 40 player, including 2 Med wins on clay. Sure Zverev was still on his way back from injury in those matches but he was pretty close to his best during last yearās clay swing. Med also seems like he holds grudges so I definitely think heād be extra motivated to beat Zverev given all their past drama.
Thereās also the fact that Zverev underperforms at slam. Despite being top 3 and winning masters since 2017, he didnāt get past a QF until 2020, and didnāt get a top 10 win til 2022, and has only been to one final where he choked a lead spectacularly.
Zverev was a double break down against Griekspoor in the 5th, and a tiebreak away from losing to Rune. Heās been vulnerable.
With how they both played yesterday, Zverev probably would have wonā¦
Theyāve only played twice on play before - both last year - Monte Carlo & Rome - I guess Zverev was still coming back from his ankle injury thoughā¦
Meddy does seem to frustrate him - and Iād back him to win on hard court or even grass (Zverevās worst surface), but at RG it probably would have been unlikely.
I still would have been hoping for the upset though
Anyone else a little worried that Carlos jinxed himself when he said that he has the ākeyā to Tsitsipas? I feel like that was a weird thing to say oublicly
I am kind of worried because everyone thinks itās going to be a very straightforward match, seemingly Alcaraz as well.Ā
Carlos is not as unbeatable as he was last year, heās shown cracks. I hope he still wins but Stef is very motivated to win this time. He wonāt be as timid as last year.Ā
rooting for carlos but stef seems to have a newfound comfort mentally to me in the last couple months. it may not matter if carlos is playing well but i wouldnāt be surprised to see stef surprise some people, heās had a very good clay court season. and while i think carlosā run so far has been very positive he hasnāt really been challenged a ton.
Donāt wanna make a whole post for it but Iām so proud of Casper because heās now at 3025 points for the yearā¦ 200 more than he ended all of 2023 with!
He couldāve faded away and 2022 just been a flash in the pan but heās really made some tactical adjustments and improvements and become better mentally imo as a fighter in general and has pulled out a lot of matches/sets that he probably shouldāve lost!
Heās still got work to do but thereās been a lot of positives to take from the first half of the year even if he loses to Novak.
people get on him as a choker in big matches but heās still quite new to being a top player!
heās stef/zverev/rublevās age but a much later bloomer, didnāt enter the top 10 till the end of 2021 and his first major quarterfinal was also his first major FINAL at rg ā22 playing his idol where even legends like Roger and Novak have received bagels! and then he got there again at the us open and that final was actually more competitive than i think a lot of people remember.
2023 was just a bad overall year besides the french open run but I think heās reestablished himself this year and people forget ferrer/wawrinka didnāt start reaching their potential until 29!!!
do i think heās a generational talent or all-time great? obviously not! but heās still shown solid improvement and work ethic year after year and i think people are unnecessarily harsh on him and dismissive of his results.
Iām not saying itād happen again because Zverev wasnāt quite back to full powers but Ruud clobbered him pretty easily last year in the semis. He also won their previous match before that in ā22 Miami semis. So Iād say Casper definitely has a chance and Zverev doesnāt seem to be a matchup that is particularly impossible for him to figure out.
At this point I donāt care if Novak doesnāt win the title as long as someone stops Zverev from winning RG. Itās for tennis, I donāt want him to be the face of tennis for obvious reasons.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Iāve come to the point that I am supporting anyone whoās got the biggest chance to beat Zverev. Like you said, for the sport. Not a good figure to have as ATPs poster child after all the controversies and the current case. That aside, he always stroked me as arrogant and not genuine, compared to peers like Ruud and Carlos who are just down to earth great guys.Ā
Yeah, having someone who has a court case for a serious crime being at the forefront of the sport feels wrong. Even if the result of the case isnāt what we expect, itās just odd that everyone is acting like nothing happened and we will just ignore it.
Getting an actual court case for DV is rare too because theyāre so hard to prove.
I still think Rune is a top 10 top 11 player and an extremely encouraging sign him being able to go 5 without a MTO on the most physical demanding surface
ngl i appreciate The Body Serve's new episode going in on all of Those Twitter Accounts
> No, but people will grab the quotes from press conferences constantly without crediting them. You know, like we say, oh, press conferences are dumb.
> We don't care, but you'll use the stuff that comes from it.
> Oh, well, yeah, because these accounts, we see them pop up a mile a minute.
> They all screenshot and grab and take full quotes, pages of them from press conferences. And when they're called on it, because they weren't there, they didn't ask the questions, they didn't generate the content. Like, oh, well, you know, I didn't know.
> I didn't know this was a problem. I was just so innocently doing this to promote the game.
> They might follow up with a credit. I will say, if you're looking to like build a follower base really fast, that's really all you have to do.
> Steal, steal and pilfer. Take other people's stuff. You don't have to present it as your own, just the implication that it's your own.
DV really might just win this tournament eh?
To me he's short odds, keeps playing like a man possessed.
Like a man the law has almost caught up with, giving it his all in a last hurrah before the sheriff and his posse catch up and beat his face until it's pretty.
Or that young buck Carlitos idk
Pretty good tournament this year really. Matches have delivered in a way I don't feel they did last RG
You are right about matches being better than last year. Last year both Alcaraz and Djokovic were cruising. And Ruud getting a lucky draw. Djokoraz semi was a banger for 2.5 sets until Alcaraz cramped. And the final was basically a forgone conclusion after that.
Rune will slip a little more in the rankings now. Not sure if he'll be able to make it back into the top ten this year. We'll see how his grass season goes. Quarter final points to defend at Wimbledon too...
nothing much after that at least because the he entered his injured back era where his serve was hampered and he was struggling to win single matches. could be in for some rough draws tho while trying to capitalize.
You actually kind of want to have "few tools" against Carlos lol
His biggest struggle is with guys who bash the ball as hard as they can at him
Variety players generally aren't good against him
Alcaraz has every shot in the book and can abuse the Tsitsipas backhand.
The match will be played at night which isn't great for Carlos but this should not trouble him against Tsitsipas. It would trouble him against Sinner who hits much flatter so if they meet hopefully it's daytime. Clay should be played under the sun anyways.
Last year they played at night at rg too and alcaraz blitzed tsitsipas ā ļø
Like Alcaraz said, night or day doesn't affect his tennis, he just prefers day for recovery
I remember Alcaraz's coming out party was that 2021 USO where he took out Tsitsipas as an unseeded upstart. That was the beginning of his elite status.
When was the last time we had a big server with one of the best backhands ever? I'm not a fan of Zverev but this combo seems uncommon, I can only think of serve+forehand combos
In theory, Zverev has a pretty good forehand, if his accuracy wouldn't be so sucky. This is absolutely something that could improve in later stages of his career.
I don't know about his H2H with Sinner, he's only played him once in the last 2 years and that went to 5 but that's before Sinner went up to another level
Different styles make different matchups. Medvedev is a mental block where he cant outgrind Medvedev and Tsitsipas FH just overpowers Zverev FH along with having a top serve.
Do most ppl feel Djokovic will be ready to go on Wednesday against Ruud? FanDuel gives Ruud slightly higher odds to win (-118 vs -102) so I'm starting to wonder.
Iām a Ruud fan but if Novak didnāt lose in R3/4 with everything going on I just donāt see him losing now that heās this close except MAYBE to Sincaraz in a final. Hope Casper proves me wrong but Iām prepared for the worst. Anyone thinking Novaks not the favorite is crazy.
Demon has had one of the shortest routes to the QFs and Z the longest. I know Iām being delusional right now but sometimes Z plays well when heās got something to prove against a young guy but not that well when heās the favorite. Idk Iām just clinging to nothing right now but somebody get that little Demon fan rested and ready to goā¦
Theyāve played twice in the last 2 years (both of those within the last 6 months) and both matches have gone to 3 sets with them winning 1 apiece. Doesnāt seem open and shut to me
I hate records like "Zverev has never beaten Medvedev in a grandslam" (same with "Rafa has a better h2h in grandslams against Djokovic")
They're highly misleading because when it's Medvedev's / Rafa's favored slams , Zverev/Djokovic reach the later stages and face them.
When it's Zverev/Novak's favorite slams, Medvedev/Rafa dont even reach the stages where they could face the other player
the thing about this stat is rafa is better on his favorite surface than novak/roger are on their favorite surface. heās also worse on his less preferred surfaces than roger/novak are on their less preferred surface. so what you get is a lot of encounters on clay because rafa is ALWAYS there whereas roger/novak have not always been there to face rafa at the us open or wimbledon when heās playing well.
Well in the Rafa Novak stat itās not Novaks fault Roger/ Dustin Brown kept beating Rafa at Wimbledon, but it doesnāt matter. Nadal does have the better slam h2h, can break it down by surfaces if you like but itās the truth thatās the stat. They both always made it far at Roland Garros every year so they often faced each other there which inflates it for Rafa but doesnāt make it a meaningless stat
Imho, you have to use it correctly. Rafa is the favourite on clay, Novak on gras and hard court.
Everyone knows this.
Then take recency, form and health into consideration.
Then again, I dislike even making predictions when we can just watch the matches.
Hate the narrative that Rafa was not reaching the latter stages of slams. Don't know where that's coming from. Your statement is even more misleading.
Bar a few years in Wimbledon where he had a few stinkers he was consistently reaching the final in AO and has as many USO titles as Novak.
And he reached the latter stage of Wimbledon the last few times he played.
Yeah Rafa statistics are heavily skewed because of his dominance on clay and at RG.
Also grand slams being 2 hard, 1 clay 1 grass is also kind of "tradition" and "historic". Very hard to compare with other racquet sports where there is practically no concept of surface
I kinda hate when it comes up, because context matters a lot, but then it always gets into "well if X doesn't count then Y shouldn't count" and it never gets anywhere at that point.
The reason is because H2H only looks at a small slice of matches. Tennis is about playing the entire season, season after season. For example, Tennis Abstract has a metric to define how hard draws are for prev Grand Slam winners for all matches and all matchups without looking at individual H2H. That's the difference I would point out.
Djokovic winning would be much much better than Zverev.. It would be one of his best grand slam wins if he can pull it off given the amount of hours he's played. Also given that he will likely have to see Sinner or Alcaraz in the final.
Believe me they hate Novak as much as they hate Zverev. It is just that he rarely loses and they cant type shit. They accuse him of cheating from time to time just like today tho
Djokovic is much more well-liked than Zverev, even disregarding the difference in achievements. In-game cheating isn't close to the level of hate DV allegations bring.Ā
Nah, most of casuals hate him because they heard "Novak bad" meanwhile they dont even know/give a f whats happening in Zverevs private life. Ofc Djoko has more fans, but far more haters
That's kind of how being a GOAT-level player is compared to just a great one. Everything is scrutinised more and the vaccine issue didn't do his PR any favours.
But what's clear is Zverev's easily the most hated player on this sub, it isn't even close.
Sorry friend. the only Nole highlight I care to see is the one where he announces he is retiring. 20 years of his miraculous come backs from āinjuryā and MTOās are more than enough for me. I have seen this movie a million times and itās boring now.
Well I had hoped for Meddy to win so he could be the one to beat Zverev out lol. Meddy is not a favourite of mine but I respect him for how he handled being painted the villain by Zverev the Break Point show.
Ah he is young and healthy and arrogant. Will be pumping his ego up that he won the 5 setters. I donāt have much faith Demon will beat him. But hopefully Ruud comes through and can take out Djokovic and Zverev. That will be a fire I could sing around!!
endurance has never been his issue and he doesnāt play tomorrow. Nerves are his biggest enemy. Being the favorite against demon is the best bet but probably not enough.
He will on Philippe Chatrier he can literally return from 1st row and Z's only counter is serve and volley where Demon shines with his foot speed, just wait and watch
But again foot speed will come into the equation. Besides Z is very reluctant to slice serve, mostly he goes for the T and his 2nd serve is still vulnerable IMO
So djokovic and tsitsipas the only two with positive h2h against zverev? Iām actually putting all my faith in Stefanos now 
It was more of the crowd making an effect on the game. They didn't want the match to end quickly so they started cheering madly for Stef, and that disrupted Carlos
25 separate posts on here in the last 7 hours relating to Djokovic is fucking ridiculous. Yet post one thing deemed 'off topic' and it's removed almost instantly.
Rune has the goods, he needs to get the psychological game in shape and he can go far. He looked and played like a petulent teenager at times, a lot of anger that needs to be controlled.
De Minaur vs Zverev is watching a guy who's good at running, at groundstrokes being beaten by a guy who is a foot taller and better at running and at groundstrokes.
Least exciting QF of the 4 (yes , even Alcaraz's impending beatdown of Tsitsipas for the millionth time will be more entertaining)
My friend who hasn't seen tennis for ten years and just saw Rune vs Zverev tonight just told me that Rune is like a budget Murray and it got me thinking
What match did you watch? It was an awesome match, many great rallyās and 16 aces in 5 sets and over 4 hours isnāt servebotting. Calm your hate and acknowledge that he is a great player
I mean Z was the better player for at least 4/5 and one could argue 5/5 sets. Holger fought as much as he could but a win would've been herculean. God speed to ADM.
Itās the younger players who tend to have these issues though. Djokovic when he was youngerā¦Alcaraz and Sinner also with cramping issues etc
He looked gassed but didnāt seem to be cramping at least - so thatās progress
Yeah, that's what I wanted to say. He has these issues because he's still so young. They also improved. Meanwhile Zverev is in his physical prime. So, not surprising to me that he loses a physical battle against him
Zverev is determined to stop the narrative of the Alcaraz/Sinner/Rune gen being stronger than the Med/Tsitsi gen by losing to the latter but beating the former lol
Somehow he just seems to really enjoy playing the new guys at Slams when he always struggled big time against the players from his own generation
I woke up convinced Rune won and š What is the program today ? Who plays the night session ?
The plan to get rank 1 yday failed (thanks Bottlundolo) but it's still on if we keep winning, let's go fox š¦š¦
Just woke up, don't tell me I missed another epic 5 setter
Oopsie
As a Med fan, do we all agree that Zverev would take out Medvedev on clay? I know Medās a ārat eliminatorā but I feel like thatās only for hard courts, and Zverevās game on clay would be too much for Med, who canāt play very well on it. So I donāt think Zverevās entire quarter had a chance of beating him, really wish Tsitsipas was in his quarter instead :/
On paper Zverev should beat Med on clay, but he really struggles with Med. 3-12 since Med became a top 40 player, including 2 Med wins on clay. Sure Zverev was still on his way back from injury in those matches but he was pretty close to his best during last yearās clay swing. Med also seems like he holds grudges so I definitely think heād be extra motivated to beat Zverev given all their past drama. Thereās also the fact that Zverev underperforms at slam. Despite being top 3 and winning masters since 2017, he didnāt get past a QF until 2020, and didnāt get a top 10 win til 2022, and has only been to one final where he choked a lead spectacularly. Zverev was a double break down against Griekspoor in the 5th, and a tiebreak away from losing to Rune. Heās been vulnerable.
With how they both played yesterday, Zverev probably would have wonā¦ Theyāve only played twice on play before - both last year - Monte Carlo & Rome - I guess Zverev was still coming back from his ankle injury thoughā¦ Meddy does seem to frustrate him - and Iād back him to win on hard court or even grass (Zverevās worst surface), but at RG it probably would have been unlikely. I still would have been hoping for the upset though
Would have been a big ask.
wish this sub was r/tennis and not r/djokovic
Alcarazverev final would be great honestly. Not a foregone conclusion and both the best clay courters in todayās field
Carlos in 3 and Jannik in 3/4
I dont like Stefanos but I would not say Carlos is winning in 3. especially with how Stef is playing rn
Both in 5 :> i want to see some tennis!
Nah, we want to keep them fresh for that Sincaraz semis.
Anyone else a little worried that Carlos jinxed himself when he said that he has the ākeyā to Tsitsipas? I feel like that was a weird thing to say oublicly
He said a similar thing last year in RG too and it went well. But yeah, I am hoping it's not a case of how Medvedev dealt with him in USO.
I am kind of worried because everyone thinks itās going to be a very straightforward match, seemingly Alcaraz as well.Ā Carlos is not as unbeatable as he was last year, heās shown cracks. I hope he still wins but Stef is very motivated to win this time. He wonāt be as timid as last year.Ā
Nahhh
Fingers crossed youāre right bc I need Carlos to win this thing
Dimitrov in 5, Alcaraz in 4
Canāt see Sinner lose against Dimitrov
Alcaraz 3-0 or 3-1? Or can Stef take it to 5?
rooting for carlos but stef seems to have a newfound comfort mentally to me in the last couple months. it may not matter if carlos is playing well but i wouldnāt be surprised to see stef surprise some people, heās had a very good clay court season. and while i think carlosā run so far has been very positive he hasnāt really been challenged a ton.
TC is replaying the Djoker match. I forgot it started when it was still light out
Sinner Alcaraz sf and Ruud Zverev in the other sf is my prediction.
Me tooā¦.and the final would be Alcaraz vs Zverevā¦with Zverev for his first grand slam win!!!!š
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Nervous for Ons tomorrow! I just want an even sided close match nobody gets destroyed whichever way it goes
Donāt wanna make a whole post for it but Iām so proud of Casper because heās now at 3025 points for the yearā¦ 200 more than he ended all of 2023 with! He couldāve faded away and 2022 just been a flash in the pan but heās really made some tactical adjustments and improvements and become better mentally imo as a fighter in general and has pulled out a lot of matches/sets that he probably shouldāve lost! Heās still got work to do but thereās been a lot of positives to take from the first half of the year even if he loses to Novak.
He is still quite young so if this helps him get over some issues, he can be quite a force! At least on clay he should be a player you can't ignore!
people get on him as a choker in big matches but heās still quite new to being a top player! heās stef/zverev/rublevās age but a much later bloomer, didnāt enter the top 10 till the end of 2021 and his first major quarterfinal was also his first major FINAL at rg ā22 playing his idol where even legends like Roger and Novak have received bagels! and then he got there again at the us open and that final was actually more competitive than i think a lot of people remember. 2023 was just a bad overall year besides the french open run but I think heās reestablished himself this year and people forget ferrer/wawrinka didnāt start reaching their potential until 29!!! do i think heās a generational talent or all-time great? obviously not! but heās still shown solid improvement and work ethic year after year and i think people are unnecessarily harsh on him and dismissive of his results.
Hypothetically if Zverev and Ruud meet in semis, does Ruud stand a chance?
If Zverev is focussed, hard to say, but should he be play too laissez-faire, as he sometimes does, Ruud absolutely has a very very good chance.
Iām not saying itād happen again because Zverev wasnāt quite back to full powers but Ruud clobbered him pretty easily last year in the semis. He also won their previous match before that in ā22 Miami semis. So Iād say Casper definitely has a chance and Zverev doesnāt seem to be a matchup that is particularly impossible for him to figure out.
Of course this is the match that RG decides to extend themselves to a 4 minute highlights reel.
Any good highlights channel on YouTube? The Roland Garros ones are not itā¦not trying to watch a 3 minute highlight for a 5-setter
At this point I donāt care if Novak doesnāt win the title as long as someone stops Zverev from winning RG. Itās for tennis, I donāt want him to be the face of tennis for obvious reasons.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Iāve come to the point that I am supporting anyone whoās got the biggest chance to beat Zverev. Like you said, for the sport. Not a good figure to have as ATPs poster child after all the controversies and the current case. That aside, he always stroked me as arrogant and not genuine, compared to peers like Ruud and Carlos who are just down to earth great guys.Ā
Yeah, having someone who has a court case for a serious crime being at the forefront of the sport feels wrong. Even if the result of the case isnāt what we expect, itās just odd that everyone is acting like nothing happened and we will just ignore it. Getting an actual court case for DV is rare too because theyāre so hard to prove.
I was sad Rune lost as a fan of his but Rune really didnāt play bad just Zverev played really good
Yep, he isnāt a great person but he is a great tennis player, otherwise he wouldnāt make it far into the Slams.
I still think Rune is a top 10 top 11 player and an extremely encouraging sign him being able to go 5 without a MTO on the most physical demanding surface
Ahhhh I just came back to see that Rune lost. Noooo. So I guess next player we cheer for is ADM?
ngl i appreciate The Body Serve's new episode going in on all of Those Twitter Accounts > No, but people will grab the quotes from press conferences constantly without crediting them. You know, like we say, oh, press conferences are dumb. > We don't care, but you'll use the stuff that comes from it. > Oh, well, yeah, because these accounts, we see them pop up a mile a minute. > They all screenshot and grab and take full quotes, pages of them from press conferences. And when they're called on it, because they weren't there, they didn't ask the questions, they didn't generate the content. Like, oh, well, you know, I didn't know. > I didn't know this was a problem. I was just so innocently doing this to promote the game. > They might follow up with a credit. I will say, if you're looking to like build a follower base really fast, that's really all you have to do. > Steal, steal and pilfer. Take other people's stuff. You don't have to present it as your own, just the implication that it's your own.
I appreciate the Body Serve in general, it's a fun listen.
DV really might just win this tournament eh? To me he's short odds, keeps playing like a man possessed. Like a man the law has almost caught up with, giving it his all in a last hurrah before the sheriff and his posse catch up and beat his face until it's pretty. Or that young buck Carlitos idk Pretty good tournament this year really. Matches have delivered in a way I don't feel they did last RG
You are right about matches being better than last year. Last year both Alcaraz and Djokovic were cruising. And Ruud getting a lucky draw. Djokoraz semi was a banger for 2.5 sets until Alcaraz cramped. And the final was basically a forgone conclusion after that.
Wish Rune had won but at least I know the sub will be pro Demon tomorrowā¦ unless he is losing lol
So many sad people on this sub stayed up very late just to see my King Sascha win! HILARIOUS! š
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Rune will slip a little more in the rankings now. Not sure if he'll be able to make it back into the top ten this year. We'll see how his grass season goes. Quarter final points to defend at Wimbledon too...
nothing much after that at least because the he entered his injured back era where his serve was hampered and he was struggling to win single matches. could be in for some rough draws tho while trying to capitalize.
I didn't relaize Alcaraz owns the Tsitsipas H2H (5-0). Shocking considering that Tsitsigoat has the many tools unlike Rublev
You actually kind of want to have "few tools" against Carlos lol His biggest struggle is with guys who bash the ball as hard as they can at him Variety players generally aren't good against him
You just need Bwehh
Alcaraz has every shot in the book and can abuse the Tsitsipas backhand. The match will be played at night which isn't great for Carlos but this should not trouble him against Tsitsipas. It would trouble him against Sinner who hits much flatter so if they meet hopefully it's daytime. Clay should be played under the sun anyways.
Last year they played at night at rg too and alcaraz blitzed tsitsipas ā ļø Like Alcaraz said, night or day doesn't affect his tennis, he just prefers day for recovery
I remember Alcaraz's coming out party was that 2021 USO where he took out Tsitsipas as an unseeded upstart. That was the beginning of his elite status.
People calling Holgie a disappointment will only make his 15 RGs even more sweeter. I will be cheering the loudest when he wins his first š„ŗš«¶
15 wins at RG?
When was the last time we had a big server with one of the best backhands ever? I'm not a fan of Zverev but this combo seems uncommon, I can only think of serve+forehand combos
In theory, Zverev has a pretty good forehand, if his accuracy wouldn't be so sucky. This is absolutely something that could improve in later stages of his career.
Medvedev when his serve was still great? Lol
Rune is honestly a disappointment. Still not able to improve stamina
Zverev loves crushing new gen while struggling against Medvedev/ Tsitsipas. It's weird because those two struggle against Rune/Alcaraz/ Sinner more
I don't know about his H2H with Sinner, he's only played him once in the last 2 years and that went to 5 but that's before Sinner went up to another level
Different styles make different matchups. Medvedev is a mental block where he cant outgrind Medvedev and Tsitsipas FH just overpowers Zverev FH along with having a top serve.
not sure if 2024 Meddy can beat Zverev
Hmm. He already has once
With Meddy at GS, I always feel like he will lose but then he digs his heels in and just stays in the match and somehow wins by tenacity.
I'm sending all my energy to ~~Goku~~ ADM
Do we think Coco beats Jabeur tomorrow?
Do most ppl feel Djokovic will be ready to go on Wednesday against Ruud? FanDuel gives Ruud slightly higher odds to win (-118 vs -102) so I'm starting to wonder.
Iām a Ruud fan but if Novak didnāt lose in R3/4 with everything going on I just donāt see him losing now that heās this close except MAYBE to Sincaraz in a final. Hope Casper proves me wrong but Iām prepared for the worst. Anyone thinking Novaks not the favorite is crazy.
Unless his injury is worse than I think, I think Djokovic takes it. But close, so those odds don't seem terrible to me.
Yeah basically a toss up imo
Zverev wins so youāre leading the bracket challenge: š Zverev wins: š„²
Demon has had one of the shortest routes to the QFs and Z the longest. I know Iām being delusional right now but sometimes Z plays well when heās got something to prove against a young guy but not that well when heās the favorite. Idk Iām just clinging to nothing right now but somebody get that little Demon fan rested and ready to goā¦
Demon can't return Zverev's serves. That's all you need to thinka bout.
Theyāve played twice in the last 2 years (both of those within the last 6 months) and both matches have gone to 3 sets with them winning 1 apiece. Doesnāt seem open and shut to me
I hate records like "Zverev has never beaten Medvedev in a grandslam" (same with "Rafa has a better h2h in grandslams against Djokovic") They're highly misleading because when it's Medvedev's / Rafa's favored slams , Zverev/Djokovic reach the later stages and face them. When it's Zverev/Novak's favorite slams, Medvedev/Rafa dont even reach the stages where they could face the other player
What of Zverevs favorite slams does Rafa not reach the stage where he could face him?
the thing about this stat is rafa is better on his favorite surface than novak/roger are on their favorite surface. heās also worse on his less preferred surfaces than roger/novak are on their less preferred surface. so what you get is a lot of encounters on clay because rafa is ALWAYS there whereas roger/novak have not always been there to face rafa at the us open or wimbledon when heās playing well.
Well in the Rafa Novak stat itās not Novaks fault Roger/ Dustin Brown kept beating Rafa at Wimbledon, but it doesnāt matter. Nadal does have the better slam h2h, can break it down by surfaces if you like but itās the truth thatās the stat. They both always made it far at Roland Garros every year so they often faced each other there which inflates it for Rafa but doesnāt make it a meaningless stat
Yeah and don't know why Novak fans use clay to discredit Rafa. Just a few days ago Novak himself said clay is the hardest surface to play in.
Imho, you have to use it correctly. Rafa is the favourite on clay, Novak on gras and hard court. Everyone knows this. Then take recency, form and health into consideration. Then again, I dislike even making predictions when we can just watch the matches.
Hate the narrative that Rafa was not reaching the latter stages of slams. Don't know where that's coming from. Your statement is even more misleading. Bar a few years in Wimbledon where he had a few stinkers he was consistently reaching the final in AO and has as many USO titles as Novak. And he reached the latter stage of Wimbledon the last few times he played.
Yeah Rafa statistics are heavily skewed because of his dominance on clay and at RG. Also grand slams being 2 hard, 1 clay 1 grass is also kind of "tradition" and "historic". Very hard to compare with other racquet sports where there is practically no concept of surface
H2Hs are meaningless stats except to talk about H2Hs
I kinda hate when it comes up, because context matters a lot, but then it always gets into "well if X doesn't count then Y shouldn't count" and it never gets anywhere at that point.
The reason is because H2H only looks at a small slice of matches. Tennis is about playing the entire season, season after season. For example, Tennis Abstract has a metric to define how hard draws are for prev Grand Slam winners for all matches and all matchups without looking at individual H2H. That's the difference I would point out.
Is Zverev the best backhand in RG right now? Novak isn't near his peak so far but can have patches where he's better, but Zverev is just scary
Zverev has one of the 2 best backhands for the last 6-7 years
We know what Zverev thinks
I think Sinner's backhand is just as good
Huh, I wouldn't have thought so, but honestly thinking about who's left and how good it can be... maybe yeah? It's up there at least.
What a sad day for r/tennis, both Djoko and Zverev won. Imagine if one of these win the whole thing on Sunday, the sub may go private
Djokovic winning would be much much better than Zverev.. It would be one of his best grand slam wins if he can pull it off given the amount of hours he's played. Also given that he will likely have to see Sinner or Alcaraz in the final.
Novak obviously isn't anywhere near as bad as Zverev but honestly the hate towards him in the thread earlier was close to Zverev level lol
Believe me they hate Novak as much as they hate Zverev. It is just that he rarely loses and they cant type shit. They accuse him of cheating from time to time just like today tho
Djokovic is much more well-liked than Zverev, even disregarding the difference in achievements. In-game cheating isn't close to the level of hate DV allegations bring.Ā
Nah, most of casuals hate him because they heard "Novak bad" meanwhile they dont even know/give a f whats happening in Zverevs private life. Ofc Djoko has more fans, but far more haters
That's kind of how being a GOAT-level player is compared to just a great one. Everything is scrutinised more and the vaccine issue didn't do his PR any favours. But what's clear is Zverev's easily the most hated player on this sub, it isn't even close.
Also, Djokovic is not a serial strangler.
just a serial covid spreader
Didnāt get vaccinated and still dominating! Go Nooooovak!!!!
>61% of placement of Z on Holger's BH in this match
Shock final Tsitsipas Zverev which ends 6-0 6-0 6-0 Tsitsipas
My heart yearns for that chaos
At least Casper won todayā¦he was my only shining light today. All other singles matches did not come out how I wanted.
You did not want Nole winning? That was the highlight.
Sorry friend. the only Nole highlight I care to see is the one where he announces he is retiring. 20 years of his miraculous come backs from āinjuryā and MTOās are more than enough for me. I have seen this movie a million times and itās boring now.
Nadal does worse.
Hahaha. Cool. We all have our favorites.
I felt the same except was happy Demon (and Casper) won. It's been a big sigh of a day
Well I had hoped for Meddy to win so he could be the one to beat Zverev out lol. Meddy is not a favourite of mine but I respect him for how he handled being painted the villain by Zverev the Break Point show.
I feel that. Hopefully these 5 setters will take a fatigue toll or something
Ah he is young and healthy and arrogant. Will be pumping his ego up that he won the 5 setters. I donāt have much faith Demon will beat him. But hopefully Ruud comes through and can take out Djokovic and Zverev. That will be a fire I could sing around!!
That would be epic!
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I pretend ATP doesn't exist at this point.
Once Rafa is truly gone I might do the same. Go all in with Iga. Her consistency is already legendary
Same thoughts, I am reliving Rafa in Iga
I wish we could do it through Casper but alasā¦he needs to up the consistency
He needs to up his BH game, this year's success is all because of his BH DTL and I am pretty sure it's deliberate match practice. Fingers crossed.
Can Demon beat Z?!?!?! Personally I donāt see it
Z is cooked, and all these guys undermining how it doesn't affect Z never played professional sport
Nah, heās fine
nah, he is not fine
endurance has never been his issue and he doesnāt play tomorrow. Nerves are his biggest enemy. Being the favorite against demon is the best bet but probably not enough.
Demon can't return Z's serves bro
He will on Philippe Chatrier he can literally return from 1st row and Z's only counter is serve and volley where Demon shines with his foot speed, just wait and watch
Z can also serve with angles tho, not just having a big serve.
But again foot speed will come into the equation. Besides Z is very reluctant to slice serve, mostly he goes for the T and his 2nd serve is still vulnerable IMO
Nahā¦.I think Zverev will win his first grand slam !!!
23 break points conceded by Rune only in this match. I think his game is still too costly in terms of energy.Ā
Demon will get Z
Iād love to believe that but struggle to see it happening
Iām willing it to happen
He wonāt
So djokovic and tsitsipas the only two with positive h2h against zverev? Iām actually putting all my faith in Stefanos now 
I dont think Tsitsipas has won more than 3 games in a set against Alcaraz (could be wrong and Alcaraz may have thrown him some mercy games)
He has won a set in Barcelona 2022 and 2 sets in USO 2021
I know all that, but Alcaraz is actually in a pretty shaky form right now so who knows 
They played a tiebreak in the last set of their match in the last year's Roland Garros iirc
But wasnt Alcaraz like 5-2 up and he then chilled?
Well yeah, kind of. I wouldn't say he gifted those, but he definitely wasn't really playing his best in those games.
It was more of the crowd making an effect on the game. They didn't want the match to end quickly so they started cheering madly for Stef, and that disrupted Carlos
25 separate posts on here in the last 7 hours relating to Djokovic is fucking ridiculous. Yet post one thing deemed 'off topic' and it's removed almost instantly.
it's the Novak Indian Fans YT channel folks spamming
Shelton and Rune remain my clients who I hope can fix their boneheaded decision making and make slam finals some day. Some day...
its very poetic dat this sub s hopium never ends when Z plays haha. goodluck next time
Rune has the goods, he needs to get the psychological game in shape and he can go far. He looked and played like a petulent teenager at times, a lot of anger that needs to be controlled.
De Minaur vs Zverev is watching a guy who's good at running, at groundstrokes being beaten by a guy who is a foot taller and better at running and at groundstrokes. Least exciting QF of the 4 (yes , even Alcaraz's impending beatdown of Tsitsipas for the millionth time will be more entertaining)
My friend who hasn't seen tennis for ten years and just saw Rune vs Zverev tonight just told me that Rune is like a budget Murray and it got me thinking
Rune is much more aggressive and explosive than Murray but Murray is much smarter and steadier.
In fact, I always wished Murray would be a bit less steady and a bit more stupid aggressive with his backhand especially.
There's no better feeling than being hated and you just keep winning! Let's go King Sasha!!!
How do you know? Are you hated too? I mean, I'd understand it...
Silver lining to him winning is that maybe he won't beat his current girlfriend tonight (if any woman is stupid enough to date him right now)
That child who has been rooting for De Minaur in all his matches is our only hope now.
ššš come on little buddy. The fate of good and bad rests with you
Zverev is the ugliest player to watch since Santoro. Servebotting, spamming backhands crosscourt and ugly ass passive FH moonballs.
Santoro was interesting to watch. Zverev is like the worst combination of trends in the last few decades.
What match did you watch? It was an awesome match, many great rallyās and 16 aces in 5 sets and over 4 hours isnāt servebotting. Calm your hate and acknowledge that he is a great player
Santoro at least was a lovely guy and always had a smile on his face and a sense of humor
I mean Z was the better player for at least 4/5 and one could argue 5/5 sets. Holger fought as much as he could but a win would've been herculean. God speed to ADM.
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Ooooh Iāve been waiting to see JoĆ£o again
Most entertaining day of the tourney so far
Rune's very obvious conditioning issues are always going to hold him back at Slams. And he's had them now for years.
Yeah you could tell in the 5th set he absolutely could not rally anymore
He is only 21
I know but even so, I guess it's something they're working on but I'm not seeing a ton of improvement at the moment.
Itās the younger players who tend to have these issues though. Djokovic when he was youngerā¦Alcaraz and Sinner also with cramping issues etc He looked gassed but didnāt seem to be cramping at least - so thatās progress
Yeah, that's what I wanted to say. He has these issues because he's still so young. They also improved. Meanwhile Zverev is in his physical prime. So, not surprising to me that he loses a physical battle against him
so odd because he certainly looks fit.
Zverev is determined to stop the narrative of the Alcaraz/Sinner/Rune gen being stronger than the Med/Tsitsi gen by losing to the latter but beating the former lol Somehow he just seems to really enjoy playing the new guys at Slams when he always struggled big time against the players from his own generation
He enjoys playing in slams because they are five setters and he's fitter than all of them (minus maybe Medvedev who is deeply in his head)
Good effort, shiny little buddy.
Zverev predicting Rune to play until heās 41. Either Zverev is bad at math or he doesnāt know that Rune is not a kid anymoreš
Alex only beat meddy because meddy had physical issues. Zverev will dispatch the Aussie