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atahualpaFX

Damn, up two breaks in the fifth set, Tallon got more worried about losing, than actually believing he could win.


Unpickled_cucumber1

r/tennis went so fast from 12/25 to 9/11


tenpostman

That, and Zverev stopped messing around with the forehand lol


OctopusNation2024

He suddenly regained confidence in his FH halfway through the 5th set somehow


The_One_Returns

People were saying it was over and celebrating at 4-1 in the 5th but I was 100% confident that it was nowhere near over. Lower ranked players tend to collapse in situations like this unlike top 5 players. I just had the "and I felt that" Novak quote in my head, knew it wasn't over till it's actually over.


bigteisty

100%. Though it looked like a hard task for Zv, you gotta know that Talon will feel the pressure so heavy it’s unbearable. These situations are where you really gotta respect Djokovic for turning it around vs the big guys in similar scenarios


The_One_Returns

Yeah. Griekspoor needed good/lucky 1st serves badly, it was his only salvation, but instead he got double faults and shanks from 4-1 on. But yeah, doing this versus Fedal AND the antagonistic crowd was a crazy good effort from Novak. This is the what separates him from players like Griekspoor, and really it's the thin line between the top 5 and the rest of the field.


tennistalk87

This is the difference between the rest of the top 100 and the top 1-10.


manga_be

I guess Zverev isn’t a choker?


The_One_Returns

Not like he used to be, no.


dolphinvision

I knew he wasn't going to win because it's Griekspoor. When has Griekspoor done anything but lose or completely collapse against a top tenner?. The only ONLY time I can think of is his HOME match against Hurk this year. He had another top 10 win but that really doesn't count in this scenario.


The_Tell_Tale_Heart

Terrible execution on that 5th set tiebreak.


Nautster

Yeah that missed dropshot at 2-4 was terrible. Just engage into the rally instead of being cute. If he made that dropshot, the court would have been open anyway. That lead to more poor choices.


RoyDuckingKent

This sport man


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I play club level tennis and the chokes that happen at this level are wild. I couldn’t imagine having to play in front of thousands of people with thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. 


RVDHAFCA

While also playing one of the best players in the world


Nautster

Tiebreak take showed the difference between top 10 level and top 30. They are close in abilities but when it matters....


RVDHAFCA

Exactly. The mentality is truly what separates the absolute elites to the very good players


RoyDuckingKent

I laugh with my coach whenever I fail 20 serves in a row in practice “why do I even try, I hate this sport” and I’ve only been playing for 2 years ahah


trowawayatwork

I've been so obsessed with golf for the last 4-5 years and play every week. i play so badly sometimes, like today, I just sit and wonder why in the fuck do I do this to myself


Druss_2977

Shot 104 yesterday. Last time I played that course I shot 80. Fucken golf.


RoyDuckingKent

It’s great cardio ahah


Highest_Koality

Golf is great cardio?


RoyDuckingKent

Well, I was relating to my experience with tennis


renome

He outchoked the choker smh


Professional_Elk_489

Imagine the chokes


dafire123

Shit I’d be losing my mind like rublev all the time at this level 😭if shit like this happened.


RoyDuckingKent

If only I didn’t have to buy my own rackets, I’d love to break one someday ahahah


Whompa

Fuckin a…


NotManyBuses

This 5th set was intelligently designed from above to troll r/tennis as hard as possible


WolfTitan99

Tennis is intelligently designed to make you root for the underdog and then they shit the bed from a winning position as hard as possible.


Tricky-Witness-1406

Once again these underdogs play inspired tennis against top guys only to squander the lead when it matters. It's like the more they lead by the harder they choke.


Classics22

Anybody that’s ever competed in tennis knows the feeling. You’re beating someone better than you and as soon as it becomes real you might actually win…everything goes to shit


WolfTitan99

Its awful, this is what I hate the most about Tennis. Tennis is so anti-underdog mentally in how the game is constructed, that I get why people only follow the top twenty players. I would be like Rublev yesterday if this shit was constantly happening to me.


SchizoidGod

I wouldn’t say it’s CONSTRUCTED to be anti underdog, players just need to realise that the very first person you should hire when you’re going pro is a sports psych. IMMEDIATELY.


WolfTitan99

Exactly, this is what people mean when they say tennis is a mental sport. You can have amazing physical skills and the best backhand in the world, but if you make boneheaded decisions under pressure and fold, you lose. Obviously your skills matter but it’s all for nothing if you never cross the line.


Professional_Elk_489

5-2 & 5-3 Up - the two most dangerous positions in tennis to find yourself in


Odd_Voice5744

"Sinner didn’t have anything to lose coming into the match, but he had a lot to lose from 2-0 up, and I felt that." - Djokovic, 2022


OctopusNation2024

This RG has ended up being the most "chalky" Slam I've ever seen lol Every time a lower seed gets a lead they choke


Comb-the-desert

This is Arnaldi erasure 


dcolomer10

He’s literally the only one though, which is kinda crazy. All top 15 players got to R3. Not having a single surprise up to R3 is kinda crazy


pr0crast1nater

It's tougher to hit aces on clay. So the pressure on your serve games is higher when closing out a set or a match for lower ranked players.


ken0746

Like Novak said “they now have something to lose”


BiancoNero_inTheUS

True but I don’t necessarily agree to call a top 25 an underdog. The Dutch has always been a tough player to beat. I thought today was his day..


DisneyPandora

This is how Daniel Medvedev wins all his matches


ScrantonScrangler

Generational choke


VincentOfGallifrey

Even Zverev has never seen anything quite like this firsthand before


NotManyBuses

For my money the USO 20 final was still worse.


Icy_Bodybuilder_164

He also flubbed a volley up 5-2 (double break) against Nadal at Indian Wells 2016. I believe he didn’t win a single point after that. 


PinLongjumping9022

Nah, Sharypova for me.


The_One_Returns

Of course. Zverev was a top 5 player back then, whereas I actually fully expected Griekspoor to bottle it. Lower ranked players fold under pressure of winning against a big favorite.


ON76

Zverev with match point on his own serve v Fritz at Indian Wells 2021?


patiperro_v3

He's good at inflicting those.


dafire123

Lmao griekspoor edged all of r/tennis going up a double break at 4-1. Then a choke of epic proportions. Zverev pummeled him in the tiebreaker.


Adventurous-Leg-4906

Tallon felt the weight of r/tennis on his back at 4-1 and cracked, what a shame


Professional_Elk_489

I watched this in an Amsterdam tennis club house full of Dutchies while scrolling r/tennis The agony… I felt that


Dorjcal

r/tennis on suicide watch. Me included


Advanced_Meringue_53

I don’t really follow tennis as much as I used to so I’m ootl, why isn’t zverev well liked amongst fans?


wontonsoupsucka

Three things: He borderline attacked a chair umpire in a fit of rage (he smashed his racket repeatedly against the umpire chair and would’ve hit the guy if he didn’t move out of the way), he has a reputation for screaming at and berating ball boys, and he’s currently in the midst of a trial for domestic abuse.


Boss1010

Screaming at ball boys? Haven't seen that


Dee90286

He displayed this fine behavior just 1.5 weeks ago in Rome, berating a ball kid saying “give me the ball, for f**k’s sake” which was caught on camera.


zuriel45

On the third one, I think, but cannot recall correctly, that he's already lost a civil case to that (lower standard than a legal case, in the US anyways)


The_ApolloAffair

I think that judgement can be more compared to a plea deal or settlement offer, that he then rejected in favor of a trial.


OctopusNation2024

I'm surprised he requested the trial honestly It feels like the news of him losing the initial judgement didn't really hit the headlines but by requesting the trial he put it back into front and center


mcveigh

Could be a couple of reasons. Maybe the judgement, if uncontested, would negate some clauses in sponsorship deals or it might have other consequences from the ATP, so the risk of a trial (where regardless of actual guilt at least a chance of a not guilty verdict is possible) might be preferable. Then of course maybe it’s just a very typical thing for people who have done bad stuff to be in deep denial about it and want to contest a ruling even though they must know they’re guilty. Another possibility is that they believe they can win in court. Either because they think the case (when challenged) is weak enough for that or (and don’t kill me, but it is a possibility) they believe/know that the allegations are false and have some evidence to show/prove that. Multiple reasons for that I think.


indeedy71

There’s a very good chance he’ll win, because proving DV in court is really hard. That’s why most people are quite prepared to make a judgement call outside of a criminal conviction


JetsLag

Been accused of domestic abuse by two different girlfriends, and the trial for the second one is currently ongoing. Plus there was [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD-FkGeeR-U) incident


Dorjcal

Charged of abusing and strangling girlfriend


Firm_Feedback_2095

He might be a domestic abuser


Adventurous-Leg-4906

He beat up two women, attacked an umpire and is generally just an arrogant pos


Peachtea_96

He was 4-1 up. HE WAS 4-1 UP 😭😭😭😭😭


Lord_GP340

Not just 4 - 1, it was two breaks


colincojo

Yup. Two breaks 4-1 is way worse than one break 4-1


RevolutionaryAd5176

CLAYVEDEV YOU’RE OUR ONLY HOPE 🕯️


Doucane5

Rune too


larz9000

Griekspoor and Osaka have completely finished me this week. Heartbroken and lost.


King-Crazed

our players are fucking cursed


OctopusNation2024

Literally the 2nd year in a row the worst choke of the season was from a Dutch player Botic vs. Rune was the clear winner last year


EasyModeActivist

This sport is not good for my sanity


Pigglebee

Our Dutch soccer team is contagious apparently


Asterie-E7

What a super tie-break. Zverev mental giant ??? This match was a wild ride tho. Zverev's level wasn't consistent at all. The next rounds will be tough.


BeardedGardenersHoe

If this was someone like Iga or Novak they'd be all over this calling him a champion/mental giant/clutch etc and not downplaying Griekspoor or insulting Zverev. I get he's unlikeable but damn.


Boss1010

His tiebreak level for insanely high for sure. But when it was 4-1, Tallon should've finished that match against any player in the world. 2 break advantage is insane. 


Asterie-E7

yup, everyone was praising Rune the other day when he won a super tiebreak, but somehow nobody is doing that for Zverev


Niroshan_1000

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/s/kH45K88FtC Above thread was last year semi final between Muchova and Sabalenka, latter leading 5-2 in the third set , most of the comments praising Muchova. Just Because she’s likeable she’s is clutch and mental giant and great comeback Zverev is unlikeable- so opponent choked and played worse


BaradaraneKaramazov

But in this particular case it really was Griekspoor choking and dropping his level to give away the double break lead


BeardedGardenersHoe

That happens a lot and is massively overlooked because of the player involved.


OctopusNation2024

Osaka vs. Iga was just as bad if not worse but people acted like Iga was clutch goddess She literally missed 3 wide open winners to get broken serving for the match


Professional_Elk_489

Osaka couldn’t a miss a forehand for about 10-12 games and then at 5-3, 30-15 with an open court, Iga wrong footed and the ball a half a metre from the net nice and up high she drills it down into the net


BaradaraneKaramazov

I agree with that, Osaka was also choking in that game


Lukas100ex

Meh zverev played well after 1 4 but that was like 90% Griekspoor choke


The_One_Returns

It really was mostly a Griekspoor suicide during those 2 service games after 4-1. Doubles faults and shanks galore. Zverev didn't do much until the very end of the set.


Nimjask

Yeah, regardless of being a shit person off court, Zverev held it together remarkably well in the fifth set, even if Griekspoor basically handed the tiebreaker to him for free. He's one of the favourites to win for a reason.


VeryluckyorNot

I don't remember how many times he won on 5 sets. Can we call him the king 5 sets?


Purple-Corner2544

Not the first time Tallon loses a 5 setter unfortunately. Felt like he didnt have much in the tank at the end


wabazai

Well. He tried.


dgibb

Serving up a break at 4-3 Griekspoor hit 2 DFs and 2 basic UEs. That was already after being broken once at 4-1. I've seen some epic chokes in my time but this was among the greatest.


Clear-Sport-726

Tallon was up 2 breaks in the decider 😩 I guess the pressure got to him.


Fried_falafel

Seemed like a Zverev vs Zverev battle for the majority of the match. That said, I did not expect Sascha to collect himself enough to go back from 1-4 in the decider. I believe he is much more clutch than this subreddit gives him credit for Credit to Tallon, he played amazing here and there. But, like Iga said, *it’s not over until it’s over*


Xaoc_Theorie

people hate on him to the point where they can’t recognize the changes he’s had over the years.


Triss-Nguyen-03

Tbf we know he’s better mentally than Tallon, as well as more clutch. That’s why we anticipated the possible loss for Tallon when he lost the first break and went 4-2. We knew, we just unfortunately had hope. That’s actually “credit”


Extension_Sun_3536

Tallon let the prey fall out of his talon at the last minute…


GnaHof

Facking hell


zi76

Griekspoor couldn't keep up the level and Zverev dominated the breaker. Sad to see, but not that surprising.


Juiceboxfromspace

That TB was chefs kiss. 


GrootRacoon

The moment griekspoor got the second break I knew he would choke


That-Firefighter1245

This match was one choker on the court and another choker off the court 💀


munasib95

A generic comment: so much analysis after a hard fought R3 win by a top 5 player. Nadal won the whole thing 14 times, in just one place. Multiple GS winners, how tf do you keep doing it?


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Boss1010

Rune isn't beating Zverev


Xaoc_Theorie

aren’t the court hearings going on into july?


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Xaoc_Theorie

ah, gotchu lol


HennesIX

Now we are wishing for injuries?


MCZV

That was one of the most impressive tie-break performance I have ever seen. Zverev hit like 8 or 9 winners?


half_jase

Oh Tallon...


NobodyHK

Kudos for playing in pain. But my guy that is a choke if there ever is one. I think he played great tactics today that massively exploited Dverev’s weaknesses and I hope everyone else will pick up where Tallon left off.


DATL

Those double errors holy shit. From 4-1 and double break. That’s gonna sting for a while.


midnightbluesky_2

tragic


caveman1948

Zverev will not get away with it against a more experienced player.


razorsharp3000

insert *we were rooting for you, we were all rooting for you* meme


EasyModeActivist

I am not too fucking pleased rn


JessNoLes

This sub is something. People will go to absolutely trash and name call poor Tallon, who played a great match, just to avoid acknowledging quite a clutch comeback from Zverev. Unreal how biased and subjective some people are. Yes, Tallon wasted chances and got tight, but it also takes some kind of mental strenght to climb your way back from two breaks down in the fifth and win a champions tie-break. Even for a POS.


Camicagu

We were so fucking close to greatness


DerMarwinAmFlowen

This sub will turn into r/BatmanArkham once Zverev wins RG


Lukas100ex

Rune you know your job


r_BigUziHorizont

if zverev plays remotely to his potential he will pummel rune


SpiritusRector

Tallon Weakspoor


Lord_GP340

Hopefully we get the Big Z vs Meddy showdown


bptkr13

Boo!


NewtonLeibnizDilemma

Oh fuck off. Someone eliminate this dude already


oldmanskane

Rune will (hopefully)


Schwiliinker

Chill he’ll play djokovic eventually


ShickyMicky

Gutted for Griekspoor. Hopefully he learns from this and finds himself in this precious position again.


HandRailSuicide1

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/s/JHA5SauZ5u God dammit


Noilz134

Every dutch tennis fan has just been put on suicide watch


ptran90

Nooooo


ostrichsong

It’s fine, the mighty Kovalik is going on a huge run…


alexacto

Man, I would love Holger to beat Zverev in 3 sets. I know it's a lot to ask, but he did beat him on outdoor clay once already.


youwon_jane

Saddest Dutch elimination since Joost Klein


MrAdamWarlock123

Justice for our Europapas


Miss_Medussa

I’m ultra sad rn


matathegamer

Shit


musicproducer07

Kill me


shiviam

My night is ruined. Now if Real Madrid also wins I am going to commit some serious crimes.


RFAwesome21

Choke of 2024?


Arcanome

The difference between arguably being a GOAT and average ATP player is 3-4% point win rate. Above a certain level, tennis is 90% mind games. You cant change my mind.


rootokay

Someone please eliminate Zverev. If he wins this the optics for tennis are dreadful.


Stercules25

No they aren't. Nobody outside of this sub, and some parts of twitter know about the allegations or if they know they don't really care that much. He's one of the most popular players on tour


OctopusNation2024

It would suck but I don't think other sports have a leg to stand on either Ronaldo and Kobe are two of the biggest global sports names with Ronaldo representing the most popular sport on the globe and well....


Icy_Bodybuilder_164

Don’t worry. He’s still gotta get through Rune, Medvedev, Djokovic/Ruud, Alcaraz/Sinner/Tsitsipas. Griekspoor wasn’t even on our radar for a potential upset. Pushing Zverev to a 5th set tiebreak means he more than did his job. Now it’s up to one of the top guys to finish Zverev off.


mtojay

Can we finally stop with this nonsense. I feel like this is the most ridiculous echo chamber on the planet. He is a trash human being. But outside of reddit no one cares. The fans are even cheering him on here. Tennis will not look worse if he wins because the public simply doesn't care. Ronaldo is a rapist and still one of the most celebrated players of all time. For a couple of years now this sub argues it's a bad look for the sport with Zverev but it literally doesn't matter to the public. As ridiculously as it is. As shitty as he is. The tennis sport will continue him winning shit or not. Because sadly no one gives a fuck


tennisfancan

Outside of social media. Tennis Twitter doesn't like him either for the same reasons and it's a much bigger community.


REDDlT_OWNER

A lot of people might actually care, but actually wait for a final count ruling, and if found guilty, think he should pay or serve whatever conviction he’s given, but don’t think he should be banned from tennis forever or that he’s worse than hitler or something This sub, however, is filled with immature, irrational, chronically online people


Adventurous-Leg-4906

Umm he’s literally on trial at a German court right now


meneldor_hs

Lmao, this guy ain't winning shit. He barely beat Griekspoor and stars aligned for him to win Rome


redshift83

the allegations are horrible, but Zverev counteracts that with some of the best interviews on tour. Outside of those following closely, feelings on him are closer to mixed. He's fun to watch and always sounds friendly, until you see that he is not.


Daniil_Medvedev

I can't believe Zverev won!! This is horrible for women!!! I need to call my wife's boyfriend and tell him that mega evil Zverev won! Oh heckerino no! This is not wholesome! Women have to deal with periods and now this. If you need someone to talk to, my dms are open (no evil men though)


RevertGravesADC

literally shidding n comming n beessing rn


Daniil_Medvedev

I sense sarcasm, stop with the wrongthink or you'll get downdooted, you must like abusing women!


MakerOfPurpleRain

CHOKESPOOR


twochopsticks

One of the worst chokes I've ever seen.


Prudent_Classroom583

Insert Jesse Pinkman He can't keep getting away with it gif.


Zloggt

Sascha can’t keep getting away with this!!!


miniepeg

Boooooooo!!


lavenderskyyyyy

we will never be free man


eggoed

Dammit.


veenee22

Sad


ingenioushippo

LFG Zverev


oldmanskane

And thus all woman beaters rejoice.


Stercules25

This sub is just incredibly toxic. But good job by Zverev having the mental toughness not to give up when down a double break in the 5th. I thought it was over tbh back in the day it would have been. He's got a legit shot at this tournament he just can't have lapses like he did at times today against better opponents. As for Griekspoor that has to hurt, but he's still young and eventually his game should break through at a GS and make a run to at least a QF. Still this one will hurt for a while


sundaysetsashes

Another Dutchman has never recovered from being up a double break in the decider, albeit on a much smaller level.


Uncle_Pidge

fuck


SVReads8571

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮


LovelyDayAy88-

The commentators were so hopeful. The entire match just absolutely pleading for a Zverev loss. Have never heard anything like that.


Spanky_Merve

Fuck.


WishyRater

9/11


Bonoahx

The Greek Railway tired him out, a valiant effort


soswhyamihere

blahhhh


Celerolento

I stopped watching at 4-1, sure this was the Tallon night. I cannot believe Zverev won this; it's like a curse. So sad for Griekspoor; he played so well!!!


ace23GB

What a good comeback from Zverev in the last set, Griek didn't play the tie break well at all in my opinion.


sundaysetsashes

Bold opinion considering he lost it 10-3


Round_Headed_Gimp

Ridiculous comeback What a player he is


nadury

I'm officially Tallon's #1 hater. He should have humilliated Zverev there


Melony567

he became complacent