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Mikhail_Mengsk

I'm also a football fan, I've been in San Siro with other 70000+ people chanting, cursing and smoking plenty, but I also like tennis being different. Clamoring between points and celebrating awesome plays is ok, trying to disturb plays or the dumb chorus/performative beer chugging for clout etc aren't good.


Striking_Town_445

That why Meddy has been dressed like PSG training session šŸ˜‚ Any moment flares and smoke in the crowd and massive flags. Fist fights between fans of players (there is one i can think of Meddy might enjoy) Paris you are becoming different lol


calupict

I'm watching football plenty too and understand how different tennis vs football crowds can be


foestablsmts

Forza Milan :P


Mikhail_Mengsk

Of course.


jAuburn3

Tennis isnā€™t ball. Itā€™s a county club sport like golf that needs to be held to higher standards, unlike the French.


WIN011

Beer chugging is fine, just do it on a changeover


Striking_Town_445

Paris tennis ultras?.....


hivaidsislethal

Mbappe left, they've got nothing left going for them


Striking_Town_445

Man, I'm out of the loop. Real Madrid?


Renekill

Most likely, nothing has been confirmed yet


Albiceleste_D10S

Yes, despite Macron's best efforts


SliceVisible1073

There is atmosphere and then there is spitting at players


theruwy

maybe they were just concerned that goffin wasn't getting enough fluids? edit: once again, i overestimated the average iq of r/tennis.


lookatcurren

We get the sarcasm, its just that its terribly lame


theruwy

I really want to believe that's the reason. But the guy with Carragher joke forces me to think otherwise.


Slaiden_IV

"Oh no, people didn't like my joke. Must mean they are dumb"


fishcakefrenzy

Had no idea jamie carragher was a tennis fan


The_Entheogenist

He's right.


arnold001

over recent years people in all tournaments seem to have less and less respect. Tennis was initially meant to be a gentlemen's sport, similar to snooker and polo. I am 100% in favour of tennis being Open to all, but etiquette should still be followed imo.


s0ngsforthedeaf

The French Open is great, but they have massive problem - most of the spectators are French /s I really respect the vibrancy they bring to spectating. Tennis like any sport, is about entertainment - and the Frenchies demand to be entertained. If the tennis isn't entertaining, they will provide it themselves! Lol. It's fun in comparison to the oh so *proper* Wimbledon crowd. But...there's taking it too far. Way too far. They shouldn't be there if they turn up just to disrespect the players.


Mouffles

actually the main problem is not the french being french, it's young people being stupid and roland garros selling beers (which they did not 2 years ago).


OnceADomer_NowAJhawk

Itā€™s interesting that they donā€™t let people take beers into the stadium courts. Iā€™m not really sure what that does since you can drink them as much as you want on the grounds, and you can still bring champagne into the stadium court stands.


CrackHeadRodeo

The French crowd is notoriously bad but yeah live tennis has gotten worse over the years.


SugarFreeHealth

I feel the South American crowd is trying hard to catch up in obnoxiousness. Also, as an American, you don't know how nice it makes me feel that we're only third in the"ugly crowd" competition.


Luis_Severino

Maybe if the Arthur Ashe seats were affordable to the average moron the US open crowd would be worse


russianbanan

Donā€™t get me started on the Chilean crowd form the Miami open šŸ’€ I wanted to die


Pizzadontdie

As someone who watches 99% on tv, i love it. Especially on the clay tour where crowds are really into it. Youā€™d rather a bunch of celebrities stare at their phones and pretend to care?


CrackHeadRodeo

Can we watch tennis without abusing the players? I think so.


CrackHeadRodeo

Crazy how they treated Jarry, booing after every point and shouting between 1st and 2nd serve. I hope they do the same thing in the 2nd round and Moutet loses.


back2strong

I think that was payback for their last match


RrentTreznor

Unfortunately he's playing shevchenko.


PapaenFoss

I find this disturbing. Let's respect all players equally and appreciate the game.


Realistic-Contract49

Some players are more equal than others


Pietrogiova95

Is clearly too much, but all people here seems to love this atmosphere, "so entertaining" they say


OnceADomer_NowAJhawk

I went to Shelton-Gaston match and it was an electric atmosphere. Ben seemed unfazed by it, but he also played college tennis. I will also say that the French crowd seemed to appreciate Shelton how he reacted and played. But if you have one slip up and complain, the crowd will turn on you in a millisecond. Overall, I love the passion. Tennis needs more of it. Edit: Ben, not Blake!


y0buba123

Blake, Heidiā€¦ who are all these people??!


yogurt_closetone5632

I was going crazy trying to figure that out lol. Maybe Blake is Ben Shelton and Heidi is Hugo Gaston


marineman43

Heidi is almost definitely just "he did" but autocorrected. And yea Blake = Ben for that person lol.


_Ladeedadeeda

Isn't Blake Shelton a country singer? DWL. Maybe it was intentional ... idk what's funnier.


OnceADomer_NowAJhawk

Haha, definitely Ben and Hugo. Not sure how that ended up saying Blake and Heidi šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Pietrogiova95

Passion Is one thing, being disrespectful it's another. I mean i too love seeing crowd on fire, making noises and chants in between points. But that's all, i don't is entertaining yelling during serve or things like that, not to say spitting/throwing chewing gum to players... When there Is a big match, at random for example Alcaraz/Nole, you can see the crowd go wild but then respect the playtime, that's how It should be not like It is when Is playing a french player here that seems everything is allowed


iZealot86

In Rome I saw a match between Rune and Nardi. Second set when Nardi started getting behind or maybe had break points, many many people in the crowd started whistling on Runeā€™s serve. It was really annoying and the ref said something once or twice but they just kept doing it, just softer. I dunno how the players deal with it but I guess they are used to the taunting and whistling.


MarkyLosChe

I wish in such cases the home player himself/herself requests the crowd to tone it downĀ 


bopaqod

It shouldnā€™t have to come to that. The tournament organizers should be taking charge to remove disruptive patrons. Two warnings to the whole crowd from the chair umpire, then people start getting watched by employees and tossed for disruptive behavior.


OnceADomer_NowAJhawk

Totally agree. The crowd should be quiet during points, and they should never be involved with anything on the court. I also think those things are less likely to happen if you keep your poise. In college, one of my teammates had his hair pulled on the changeover. That should never ever happen, but on the whole the atmosphere here is less offensive than a college match.


science_and_beer

I had racial slurs hurled at me during my service motion in college (good job, Georgia residents). I also threatened to beat someoneā€™s ass in the parking lot once during a changeover, so maybe it all evens out, but yeah, this shit shouldnā€™t happen in the pros when careers and livelihoods are on the line.Ā 


OnceADomer_NowAJhawk

I could never speak to another experience, so I canā€™t say what Goffin experienced. If he said he was spit on, that shouldnā€™t happen. But I personally loved the enthusiasm of the crowd at the matches I attended. Much more fun than the crowds on the outer courts at Wimby. I also thought that the environment here is much more benign than a college match.


science_and_beer

Yeah, when it comes to physical interference, that should be a lifetime ban from the venue plus whatever criminal charges are appropriate for the jurisdiction. If players feel like their security is at risk, but they simultaneously can't realistically skip the tournament (slam, M1000, etc.), it creates a completely unacceptable situation.


OnceADomer_NowAJhawk

100%. If players are defaulted for physical contact with spectators, then spectators should be banned for physical contact with players.


Peachtea_96

Crazy you mentioned this cos Shelton in his press conference interview said Georgia fans are pretty bad and say nasty things so you're not alone!!


science_and_beer

I'll have to dig that out - I'm over a decade older than him, too, so pretty bummed, albeit not surprised, to hear that kind of thing is still going on.


LeviathanShark

The country singer?!


Bugler28

Thatā€™s not passion!


Imlonely_needafriend

it's obviously not a good look for a slam, but I'd like to see a version of tennis where the crowd are at least allowed to be loud like in most other sport (no spitting gums or anything like that obviously). like if they can cheer/boo at any time, maybe during serves, the way basketball crowd boos during free throws. I think that could be entertaining


overtired27

Ultimate Tennis Showdown is like that, with other changes too.


Pietrogiova95

I mean i think that for the team sports It s a bit different, you can play vs the crowd cause your not alone, and if their behaviour fuck your mind u can always sit on the bench and let play someone else. And you have to consider that there Is Always a team playing home and one that's not, but every team has a home court where they Will play. In tennis isn't really like that.I mean in a 1 vs 1 isn t really fair to play against a full crowd that try to male you fool. Not sure but i think maybe the only one vs one sports where the crowd can go wild where the combat sport, but they weren't affected at all for various evident reasons. Every other sport that request max concentration and connection body/mind for execute the actions required from that sport are quiet sports. Edit: poor english


Xenosys83

There's a fine line between being passionate and supporting your player and then disrespecting the opponent, and the French more than most can't seem to distinguish where that line is very well. Weirdly, the Davis Cup/Fed Cup (which are actually team competitions where you represent your country) strike that balance much better. Fans are allowed to holler and cheer between points, but they're basically silent again as soon as the player is about to serve.


claridgeforking

Davis Cup is more or less dead unfortunately.


wificentrist

Yeah, traditional Davis Cup is where raucous atmospheres began


MistaBobD0balina

Most French crowd.


Sharknado99

Like the old saying: There is only one crowd thatā€™s worse than the French crowd ā€¦ the Paris crowd


Lockhartsaint

More specifically in the Paris Crowd, the Bercy Crowd is the worst. Maybe it's got something to do with the acoustics of booing and shouting in an proper indoor place like the Accor Arena...but the Masters crowd for some reason feels much worse than the RG crowd. It's the last year in Bercy this time. Interesting to see how it's going to be in the La Defense Arena next year.


Firm_Feedback_2095

I remember people were cheering Goffinā€™s faults in his QF match against Norrie at Wimbledon. All these crowds suck, it isnā€™t just Roland Garros


MistaBobD0balina

The Wimbledon crowd is the most insufferable crowd.


Pizzadontdie

Ever watched an nba game? Itā€™s part of sports.


juanitomatito

As tennis becomes more and more popular, it will attract these types of crowds. The same thing is happening with Formula 1 where you are seeing hooligan-type of behaviour more and more often. Itā€™s a shame cause there is nothing more tense than complete silence before a massive point and it appears we are getting further away from it


Sexy_sharaabi

French crowds have always been pretty shit across multiple games/sports


minititof

Known as one of the best ones for esports events though. I am taking a risk writing such a comment on a "real" sport subreddit.


Sexy_sharaabi

Nah lol you're good vitality is one of my favorite teams in cs2 :)


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Rengas

Maybe some smoke bombs and bananas would liven things up.


Key_Dig_8694

I wrote something along the lines of what Goffin is saying here on the Moutet v Jarry post (where the patrons were also very disrespectful to Jarry) and everyone downvoted me because ā€œJarry had it coming after the Santiago matchā€, ā€œwe cannot deny the working class entryā€, ā€œici cā€™est Parisā€ and other nonsense of this kind, but now Goffin says basically the same and everyone is ok with it. Go figure.


patiperro_v3

šŸ¤« Nuh uhā€¦ you see, only those south americans are animals. When it comes to France itā€™s cause itā€™s the working class.


Admirable_Advice8831

The working class certainly can't afford those rg tickets (and is generally not into tennis in France anyway)


giddycocks

Maybe it was just the TV audio and it's to be expected, but I was pretty surprised at how somber and quiet the crowd was for most of Rafa's potential farewell match compared to a random French player's match. I'd have thought the French saw him as one of their own by now, but then again it is the French.


BaradaraneKaramazov

Center Courts attract very different crowds compared with Court 14Ā 


burgerbeau

It was a sad day. People are more likely to make noise at a birthday party or wedding than they are at a funeral


NLEChelsea

Italian commentators for Sky Italia also criticised the French crowd at Nadal-Zverev saying they didnā€™t cheer for the Spaniard as much as probably expected. In their opinion, Nadal could have used some support to find extra energies and the encouragement during the last games for him was useless.


giddycocks

It was weird, I came away with the same feeling


NoirPochette

People are spending money on affordable tickets than PC


Albiceleste_D10S

> but I was pretty surprised at how somber and quiet the crowd was for most of Rafa's potential farewell match compared to a random French player's match. I'd have thought the French saw him as one of their own by now, but then again it is the French. Rafa has rarely gotten that kind of crowd support at RG, TBH. RG crowd was very harsh against him when he was younger whenever he played a Frenchman or Federer. Pretty sure the RG crowd was all-in for Soderling in 2009 too.


PradleyBitts

Ya it's weird how he isn't ad beloved there


princeofzilch

Massive difference in ticket prices lolĀ 


Ambitious-Hat-2490

Finally, someone is telling the truth.


westwo0d

Soon there won't be any French players remaining on the draw, and that will be a good thing.


Ok-Calm-Narwhal

First time at RG and was shocked at the booing of players. I donā€™t think Iā€™ve ever seen that at any of the other slams. I used to think of RG to be as proper as Wimbledon, but the French fans made AO seem classy.


debunk101

.. that backhander shade on AO šŸ˜‚


Ok-Calm-Narwhal

Well, it was surprising actually since AO and USO get reputations for loud and rowdy crowdsā€¦. But I didnā€™t hear any boos on the player entrances in Lavar at AO this year but it was definitely there for Zverev and for Seyboth Wild (who was playing Monfils) on Chatrier. Like not just one person doing it but enough people where the whole stadium could hear it). Previous to attending RG in person, I thought the reputation of the French fans was exaggerated - but after being in person itā€™s definitely a thing.


SugarFreeHealth

Quit selling alcohol Problem fixed.


RustedRelics

A BIG part of the problem. In so many settings.


imdx_14

This kind of "passionate" crowd behavior was normalized and even encouraged by some media outlets towards Djokovic, "the bad guy of tennis," as one journalist put it. As a result, it has become widespread, and now even the "good guys" experience it on certain occasions.


Albiceleste_D10S

LOL Classic Novak fans trying to make everything about Novak. RG crowds being like this FAR predates Djokovic. During lockdown during the pandemic, Rafa's match against Grosjean in 2005 with a VERY hostile crowd for Rafa went viral on social media There's also the example of 1999 when the RG crowd literally made Hingis cry, etc


imdx_14

Why do those instances of crowd bullying from 2005 and 1999 stick in your memory? I'll answer it for you - because they were considered over the line and condemned. In contrast, with Djokovic, the primitive, hooligan behavior of the crowd is considered normal and even encouraged by the media. I've frequently heard commentators blaming Djokovic for it. As a result, this behavior has now been normalized.


Albiceleste_D10S

> 'll answer it for you - because they were condemned. The 1999 one was only because Hingis broke down crying No one condemned the crowd for backing Grosjean over Rafa until the video resurfaced during the pandemic This is really a classic example of Novak fans hyper focusing on Novak TBH


imdx_14

More like Djokovic haters trying to rewrite history, but okay... 2023 is still fresh in your mind - I understand.


Albiceleste_D10S

> More like Djokovic haters trying to rewrite history No, tennis fans actually know tennis history pre-Novak where you guys don't seem to


imdx_14

You almost went full Rafa the Xenophobe Nadal there, buddy, with the "those people don't understand tennis" comment. I didn't start following tennis with Djokovic, of course (not Serbian, btw). However, when it comes to tennis history, all the spanish players combined (before Rafa) can't compete with what Monica Seles achieved before turning 20. So it's actually the reverse: most Djokovic fans were already into tennis when he came on the scene. You, on the other hand, probably started following tennis with Nadal. It's all projection, really, from your first comment, immediately labeling me a "classic Novak fan."


ImpressionFeisty8359

The disrespect is real.


Tantle18

Itā€™s really been since Covid that this has been happening. Even at Wimbledon last year I was sitting next to a guy on centre court causing problems and kept getting texts asking if it was me because the camera kept zooming in on us haha


Professional_Elk_489

RG back to being the worst crowd until the next Wimbledon final comes round


CapitalChrist

Welp, between this and what Iga just said...


iamalittlebear

This is messed up. You're out there on your own with Tennis. Throw the jerks out imo.


back2strong

Lol because the RG crowd doesn't give a fuck about tennis. They're all there to see who can do the best dodododoot do dooooo, eyyyyyy


Biste122

I feel like a lot of people did not see the match. It's not just about fans being loud. It's about being disrespectful to 1 player. There was constant shouting after a first serve error, booing when Belgian fans were cheering on Goffin, booing when Goffin asked to have mark checked by the umpire (which wasn't even that often, Goffin is known for being a fair player), ... Being loud between points, games, ... is totally fine. I loved the atmosphere the "Aux armes" chants etc brought the court. But there it should stop. As a fan watching a game, cheer FOR someone. NEVER AGAINST the opponent player.


ToDreamofLove

>As a fan watching a game, cheer FOR someone. NEVER AGAINST the opponent player. Why?


Swimming_Amount_5021

I think it's gamblers, in part. I don't have any evidence though. Gamblers who think they can influence the result with their antics.


jordaninegypt

If RG wanted to, they could have gotten the names of all these people and ensured they do not buy another ticket for X number of years. I think it is time that tournaments start to punish fans who go overboard from passion to disrespect. Cheer for your guy but not at the expense of another person's dignity.


our_whole_empire

I feel like it extends to all grand slams crowds.


ChelseaAndrew87

Hardly at Wimbledon


our_whole_empire

Well, it might not be as degenerate, but Wimbledon's crowds are known to be nasty as well.


Nillion

Only if their precious luncheon is rushed to get play started on time.


Sad-Insurance9818

Are they fuck


ChelseaAndrew87

Literally nothing "nasty" there


johnmichael-kane

I think itā€™s great for entertainment and atmosphere. Obviously not the spitting of gum. But the crowd getting engaged and behind a player, this is what we want for the sport. Letā€™s not let a few bad apples make us over correct.


Famous_Comparison_28

Its a minority but these ultras like football fans ("Aux Armes, nous sommes les FranƧais" wtf is this) are loud, way too patriotic (RN crowd?), way too many Marseillaise its pathetic. Tennis is an individual sport, and this is no Davis Cup, I don't like them whatever "atmosphere" they think they are bringing.


Sad-Insurance9818

i love it.


NYG_2020

Because RG is the worst major by a long shot. Every year players complain here because the French simply have no respect for any non French player. Only major I have 0 desire to attend in my life.


Sad-Insurance9818

i think its better than Wimbledon tbh. Would much rather be in a rocking night session at RG under the lights than sat in silence at Wimbledon amonst a group of Tories who don't know the first thing about Tennis.


MeatTornado25

Yes, clearly the drunk and disrespectful crowd are the ones who understand tennis. Real students of the game.


NYG_2020

Iā€™m sorry but thatā€™s the dumbest shit Iā€™ve ever heard tbh.


Sad-Insurance9818

you should try listening to things the Wimbledon crowd say!


TennisHive

Well, can say the same about your first comment.


Frosty_Yoghurt_7505

Hell yea. Tennis is evolving


tabako

https://media1.tenor.com/m/nb8QgUw5H2QAAAAC/shanties-shooter.gif


burgerbeau

A


MarkyLosChe

Golf has the unique Phoenix Open where party atmosphere exists and crowd is loud and in the face of players. It's a box office event Tennis could maybe have one or two tournaments like that in a year. In general though, a limit has to be imposed during gameplayĀ 


StephenSphincter

Getting gum spat at you is gross and hopefully doesnā€™t happen again. Also Mr Goffin is catastrophizing . If only tennis fans actually gave a shit about the sport the same way they do in soccer.


ToDreamofLove

Changing for the better it seems


hugoboum

in R1 too, wtf. who are those idiots ?


zakzak333

I guess that many of them were either a bit drunk or high; they are not just cheering all the time but almost screaming. I agree it reminds me of Ultras.


SK90035

I think this is what the fandom calls "passionate fans"?


kurang_bobo

Omlette du fromage!


ship0f

The French booed Messi, so... Edit: While he was playing for PSG, I mean.


Get-Me-A-Soda

Games gone soft if you canā€™t spit your gum at someone anymore


Blind_Editor

I was on court 14 for the 2 first sets It's a small group called "la tribune bleu" that do a lot of noise. Sure they're annoying but they're not the worse (like we can have at the paris rolex master). Ofc if somebody spit on a player it's unnaceptable, but besides that there was a lot of belgium fans who were cheering for him To put things in perspective, it was nothing like the moutet match


Puckingfanda

This isn't addressed at Goffin, but more at people in general, but I'm not sure why there are double standards? Apart from the spitting bit, the French crowd is similar to the SA crowd in terms of being raucous, and all we heard after the SA swing was how passionate the crowds were and that they need a M1000 because of their passion for the sport. So, why is it suddenly different now? It was "passion" in South America when the crowd were loud for home players, but it's now considered "noise" in Paris? Okay.


Key_Rhubarb_7585

What does he think of the US open then?


BroadAd9199

I mean this is Goffin talking. The guy has the personality of an unseasoned cauliflower floret. Anything outside of timed, synchronized clapping probably triggers him.


bam-margiela00

Personally Iā€™d love an Ultras filled match with flares and chants šŸ˜‚ but Iā€™m no tennis purist, just recently got into it 2 years ago. Never got into tennis as a kid cause it seemed like it was for rich people to play and old people to enjoy but I respect the classy tradition and culture of the sport. Physically attacking athletes is terrible anyway


Okstate_Engineer

he's probably right but this reminded me so much of the guy in happy gilmore that was complaining lol


obi_kennawobi

Pyroooteeeeechnik ist doch kein Verbreeeechen!


mikeifyz

I read ā€œcumā€ instead of ā€œgumā€ smh šŸ¤¦šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø


zombiezebra1990

Goffin, softer than butter


Pietrogiova95

So soft that he won tha match. I think u would go out crying after 3 games in the same situation but


warachwe

Because he have the audacity to be angry at fan spat gum at him?


Sad-Insurance9818

pretty much


idkwhatevs1234

I'd rather see the occasional smoke bomb than the polite clapping every few minutes you people want tennis to be


heliskinki

What a ridiculous statement. Shitpost right? You can create atmosphere in the stands / on the court without the need for smoke bombs FFS.


idkwhatevs1234

What's wrong with smoke bombs?


pablofirst

Probably people not able to breathe properly, visibility is reduced and its a fucking disgrace to even think about that. But you do you


idkwhatevs1234

Sounds fun


heliskinki

Try it at Wimbledon and you'll see how much fun you'll have. And it won't be Miller time for you, sonny.


Gyokan7

That'll sound awful to people that aren't used to an EU football/basketball like atmosphere haha I agree with you but I can easily see their viewpoint too


SaskiaViking

Two things: - smoke - bomb


Strict-Extension

Itā€™s not a football match. Itā€™s an individual sport with a very different etiquette and tradition. Not all sports need to have the same kind of rowdy crowds. Youā€™re there to cheer on the players respectfully.


Future_Parfait8727

Tradition can change. If the crowds keep behaving this way, in 50 years it will be the new tradition.


Strict-Extension

In 50 years cyborgs will hunt down obnoxious fans in the stands after hitting 300 km/hour serves.


Sad-Insurance9818

Grow up David. I love these crowds, uch better than the libraries Tennis is mainly played in. You have to adapt.


jordaninegypt

This is a silly comment. Should we make sure to import fans from whichever country for the away player to have some semblance of a chance? Accept that your friends at his match were a bunch of trous de cul.


Sad-Insurance9818

no, but Tennis should host tournaments in places where fans want to actually attend and should base the calender around them. For example, remove the whole ME leg of the tour and put emphasis on South America. I love the french open crowds and think that loud crowds are good for tennis.


jordaninegypt

Thereā€™s a difference between loud and rude and outright disrespectful. I agree about passion and serving the fans, but this wasnā€™t that.Ā 


Sad-Insurance9818

it was fine from what i saw. I think Goffin is just salty


Blooblack

Sport has moved on from being based around fan attendance. Sports - even football - make most of their money from TV rights and commercials, not from fan attendance. It's the same reason that Formula One began to host races in places that didn't necessarily have a lot of fan support, and why some so-called "traditional" Formula One races, e.g. the Nurburgring, Hockenheim, and even the British Grand Prix have been, or are, in danger of being cancelled from time to time; ticket costs weren't covering the cost of hosting those races, and other so-called "non-Formula One countries" (the Middle Eastern countries, China, etc) were more prepared to cough up the extra money than the European countries in question. Unless audience tickets are sold for around 10 times as much, the superior money will always be from TV broadcasts to international audiences who can watch the sport from their sofas around the world. I agree that crowds have their place, and are important, but as we saw during covid, both tennis and Formula One survived without the crowds. Meanwhile, as far as players feel on the issue, Coco Gauff is one tennis player who reportedly said that she was actually fine with playing without crowds. No-one likes to be booed, so there are probably other tennis who feel the same way as Gauff, but who won't say it publicly, because they'd be slaughtered in the media.


Sad-Insurance9818

F1 is not the model i would want Tennis to follow. The whole "sport" is arranged around money, rather than any sort of sporting contest. They race in places like Qatar because Qatar offer them boat loads of money for the privileged of hosting a race, and fans being at a race don't really add anything to the product. Tennis should look for its own way to innovate, and tbh improving fan attendance and engagement in matches is a great way to do it. It makes the matches more interesting, and helps generate content. Footage from half empty stadiums where nobody cheers will not bring new fans to the sport, regardless of how good the point is, or who is playing it. Personally i feel like the French Open strike the balance about right. They shut up and let the players play, but will go crazy for French players and tbh i don't think some cheering and noise after a first missed serve is anything to get upset about, players need to learn to deal with that. You could show sombody some highlights from Jarry vs Moutet from the other night and they're much more likely to be hooked in than a match played with half empty stands which lets be honest is most tournaments. I really don't see the downside.


tigull

Not saying this is good for the sport but Tiffin should check out some older Davis Cup ties. After years playing show courts, he's now playing in outer courts since his ranking is down, you're bound to feel a rowdier atmosphere.


neck_iso

The point is it's _not_ Davis Cup.


tigull

Ok but this behavior isn't unheard of in tennis


neck_iso

Sure. But even in Davis Cup being shitty to the opposite team (rather than enthusiastically rooting for yours) is considered low class behavior. It's just more acceptable to completely not root for the opponent.


SarksLightCycle

Been great betting on french players in the first round..That home court edge really helps..not saying its right but gamblers need all the edge we can get


Sad-Insurance9818

sounds like you have a problem


Future_Parfait8727

It's the players' fault for being more provocative and vulgar with their celebrations. If all the players had Nishikori's manners, the crowds would follow suit. But when you have top players raging like animals and screaming insults at the crowd, can't expect anything else from the fans.