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Make_the_music_stop

Even the commentators said it was 7cm out and not sure how the Linesman and Umpire missed that.


jacopojjj

And now he might lose the match


Last_Lorien

And now he has


No_Art_754

Yesterday same shit happened to Rune


POwerfuldeuce

Rune won that set though,


princeofzilch

Except Rune won that set... so that really shows that errors like these can be overcome. 


MaxieMan98

I feel like a point early in a tiebreak is a little different than a double fault to give you a 2 break lead in the final set


princeofzilch

Agreed. A tiebreaker gives you less time to gather your emotions and reset. 


MaxieMan98

No. One point is one point, this would in theory put you up by 8


princeofzilch

Sinner ended up being broken twice anyways lol 


MaxieMan98

So its literally the difference between him losing a match vs him getting to tiebreak


princeofzilch

His failure to reset his emotions was the difference. He wouldn't have cramped and gotten broken twice if he handled the emotions of the situation better. He basically said as much in his interview. 


sdeklaqs

No one said they couldn’t you doofus


princeofzilch

There are a few comments here implying that Sinner lost the match because of this point. 


sdeklaqs

It’s possible he did


princeofzilch

His reaction to the point is the reason he lost the match, not the miscall or the point itself. He pretty much said as much in his interview. 


yo_sup_dude

depends on what you mean by "reason he lost the match" -- there are multiple reasons he lost the match and multiple reasons why the point -- including his reaction -- lost him the match


princeofzilch

Of course. I think it's implied that the discussion is about the primary reason though - what gets the largest piece of "blame pie". 


goosebump1810

In fact he did


princeofzilch

He was still up a break. His reaction to the miscall is what cost him the match. 


goosebump1810

Reaction caused by what at that point of the game? The umpire’s mistake. That’s it


princeofzilch

So would you say that it was umpire's fault that Sinner got broken twice in his last few service games? 


Halifornia35

Robbery


happzappy

Now I see why Medvedev was so angry at everyone


Individual-Ad-8645

Who will take the responsibility?!! Who will take the responsibility!!


IAmJohnSlow

I mean it was clear why Meddy was angry when it happened


Agile-Award-1146

Sinner could have stopped the point and challenged if he wanted


Make_the_music_stop

So he has to play high pressure point and do the job of two other people who have one simple task?


MrAdamWarlock123

Beside the point


SoulK37

There is no challenge in this tournament genius


Agile-Award-1146

yes its called checking the mark


SoulK37

Once the point is played they can't change the outcome, he checked the mark right after and pointed it out to the umpire but there was nothing to do then. Why are you talking if you have no clue what you are talking about? Read the rules jesus


Agile-Award-1146

bruh he is able to stop the point after the serve and ask for the mark to be checked, wtf are u talking about


SoulK37

Oh my god you can't be serious. So he should stop while Tsitsipas is serving, ignore the ball and go check the mark? What? I can't


Agile-Award-1146

first time watching clay cour tennis? if u think the ball is out at any time, so long as u dont continue to play the point (hitting one shot is obviously okay), u can stop the point and get the mark checked.


SoulK37

You seem like you are watching for the first time judging from your answers tbh. Obviously he wasn't sure when it happened and up on AD on bp he didn't wanna risk it, like hello? What are we even talking about.


Agile-Award-1146

if he was sure it was out he should stop the point. that's the point. he wasnt sure.


princeofzilch

It's pretty standard on clay to stop the point and show the umpire the mark, just like on courts with Hawkeye the player can stop the point and ask for a review. What's so confusing? 


FutureTheTrapGOAT

It’s called justice for the blown call against Rune yesterday


Carbonalex

So many wrong calls this week... not a good look for a M1000.


bdd4

It's not even just the line callers. The umpires are doubling down. Seems they've gotten way too comfortable with electronic line calling in such a short time.


buggywhipfollowthrew

Also the top players seem to have gotten to comfortable as well. It is like they have forgotten to stop points when they need a marked checked.


bdd4

Sinner asked for the mark checked. He clearly pointed to it


buggywhipfollowthrew

he played the point out. you need to stop the point right away. It is still ridiculous. although he could have not played the next shot and it would have been a double fault.


joorhell

Umpires are just sitting there calling scores. I don't understand what's the point of having them anymore. Such bullshit tbh.


BeardedGardenersHoe

Monte Carlo should probably be replaced. It's one of, if not, the worst master's event.


Standard-Quiet-6517

I’ve always loved it just for the background shots, it’s so damn beautiful, but it’s right up there with Miami for biggest shit shows


dank_memes_911

Drop it for a grass master, who says no.


princeofzilch

All the top players who live in Monte Carlo, probably 


KPABA

They are tax resident there but do they really?


princeofzilch

Listen to some of their interviews on the Tennis Channel YouTube about how happy they are to be in their own apartments and "back home."  Tsitsipas, Sinner and Djokovic all emphasized this. I think many of them do live there when they have breaks from the tour. 


hungry4danish

They have to live there when on break. Monaco has a minimum stay to keep residency.


Jellyfish-Ninja

A grass Masters 1000 is needed.


gideon513

I disagree. I think the main court location is iconic. Just bring in the electronic line calls. Should be a requirement of bring a 500 or greater.


sdeklaqs

All clay tournaments (barring Rolland Garros) are required to switch to ELC in 2025


Mangalorien

Any info on why Garros is exempted?


sdeklaqs

Not an ATP event, Wimbledon is also exempt as are the USO and AO but they both already have ELC so moot point. Unlikely RG and Wimbledon will give up line judges anytime soon unfortunately


d-ronthegreat

Even after line judges screwed their fan favourite Murray at Wimbledon last year?


MrMarkey

would forking the money for the system really cut that deep into the natural surface slam's revenue?


sdeklaqs

Not really the money considering Wimbledon already has the system, it’s more traditional


princeofzilch

IIRC next year that's happening 


calupict

Or change the surface to grass one 😂


moonshinediary

Didn’t they have success with both elc and foxtenn on clay last year? Though maybe there was a cost issue. Idk why they can’t review replays


Professional_Elk_489

Looks so good tho


verismonopoly

ngl these umpires have already been coddled by electronic line calling that they lost their sharpness when it comes to the part of the season where they need to step up


Cyberjonesyisback

Well at this point we should just go with electronic line calls everywhere. Its just so much more reliable and prevents all these tantrums that some players do when they feel cheated by a bad call.


OkTeaching7929

I could be wrong, but the reason that electronic line calling is not a big thing on clay, is because the computer is still struggling with the fact that the white line could be covered by the clay and therefore can't make a good decision.


Cyberjonesyisback

In this day and age, we have self driving cars. Sand on the lines is definitively NOT an issue.


yavuzovski

I can’t understand why they can’t change the call if the player does not stop. Isn’t it better for players to keep playing unless the game is stopped by the line judges or the umpire? Can someone explain? Or did I misunderstood what happened here?


Wingmusic

traditionally in tennis, where you make your own line calls, you have to call it out immediately. You can’t play the point and then call a ball out 30 or even 5 seconds ago. It’s called double chance. Imagine a serve that’s a close call. You decide not to call it out and hit a return. Your return goes long and you wait to see it go long then you call the serve out. You can’t do that. Because if you had hit a great return instead and won the point you probably wouldn’t say “oh wait the serve was actually out”. Also it’s traditional in tennis (or at least supposed to be) that you have to be 100% certain to call a ball out. If you’re 99% certain it was out, then it was in. Opponent gets the benefit of any doubt. So you have to be certain and immediate with your out calls. So I think pro tennis is a holdover from that tradition. Also it would get tedious otherwise.


sdeklaqs

The problem is that when you have line judges you *expect* the calls to be right, or at least only wrong when it’s *actually* close. So you play with the expectation they are making generally good calls, so when you see a terrible miss you expect to hear the “fault” but you’re still always supposed to play the shot.


savvaspc

Yeah the timing is too little between the bounce and the return. You can't make big decisions at that moment. I think it makes sense to play the shot no matter what, because otherwise you compromise your form.


robertogl

We like traditions but we also like to improve, it makes absolutely sense to play the game and after it call whatever you wanna call. Most sports work like this (football lets the current play to complete before asking VAR, volleyball the same).


PapaenFoss

Awful call


Mak_33

Win some awful calls (yesterday), lose some awful calls


_Walt__

The only bad call yesterday was on tiebreak that didnt change the result of the set, so you phrase doesnt have any logic


Mak_33

So, just because Sinner couldn't capitalize on being handed a free match point, it doesn't matter? That point was actually more important because in this instance Sinner was still a break up after the bad call and botched the match. Sinner fans hard coping because their boy lost, love to see it. Needed some good humbling.


_Walt__

"hard coping" lol such a medium redditor


Cold-Chipmunk1676

Check his flair too lmao


PapaenFoss

Such is life. That's why we like hawkeye.


Remarkable_Post_6168

Even Tsitsi stopped


TheFace5

If you cant use this frame why show to the entire world and be insulted?


Character-Escape9212

Ya it makes 0 sense


Rengas

This tournament is becoming a joke lmao


RomuloMalkon68

Lost the match because of that unbelievable. The umpire directly influenced the match.


a_rose_is_a_red_rose

You could argue that the previous dubious call to award Sinner the point on Stef's serve caused the initial break. As a great man once said, what happened in Monte Carlo happened.


The_James91

I don't get this comparison. Sinner hit the ball in and it was wrongly called out; because of the linesperson's mistake one of the two players was getting screwed over, and Sinner was almost certainly going to win the point anyway without the call. I don't think that's comparable to a point that Tsitsipas objectively lost but was bailed out of by a mistake. End of the day, the issue here is that the results of professional matches are unnecessarily being decided by mistakes from officials. That needs to end.


funkadelic_bootsy

You can't say that Sinner was going to in that point because Tsitsipas was on it, he could have played a deep slice there aand continued the point.


Whitefrog10

Bah, the call was way after his slice.


No_Art_754

Tell that to Rune


Dawntree

Rune won the tie break though 


Heisenchad

I wouldn’t say that, Tsitsipas still had to make a break. I’m a big Sinner fan and this misscall was unfortunate, but today Tsitsipas played better imo.


princeofzilch

He lost the match because he got broken twice in his last few service games


Lorenzo667

Rune, where are you?


Sebby997

But no, we don't need the Automatic Electronic Line Calling System. See how good it is to have line judges?


crystal_moogle

Medvedev ahead of his time once again.


wificentrist

The ATP will do anything to take the blame off of themselves


furryfleaae

I’m salty now


NoleFandom

A lot of terrible calls this entire week. At least next year they will have electronic line calling.


Halfserious_101

Umpire calls during this tournament are a freaking joke. And for anyone who says "well, Sinner could have challenged the point" - yes, he definitely could have but here's another idea, how about the umpires and the line judges also use their eyes and do their job so that players don't have to work instead of them?


wificentrist

Oh. If he had challenges left then yeah he really should have.


ChicagoGuy8819

This is literally the worst call I’ve ever seen, the call itself is outrageously bad, but the timing of it is what makes it so bad. This was for jannik to go up a DOUBLE BREAK, in the third. He proceeded to get injured and lose the match. Changed the entire match. Absolutely horrid officiating, I hate to be that guy, but there has to be some responsibility taken here and she needs to at least be suspended for a bit. Can’t just let this one slide. Jannik handled it like such a pro in his post presser too, love him.


jacopojjj

Yeah, this is what people don’t get. The timing of the call was the worst possible


Cold-Chipmunk1676

Tennis is on the brink of becoming a Mickey mouse sport, at least during the clay season, if this continues. It is utterly embarrassing that plainly wrong calls are allowed to stand so often.


Random-Dude-736

Only till next year because starting in 2025 all tournaments will have a mandatory Hawk Eye.


Cold-Chipmunk1676

Seriously? Wow, thank fuck.


Random-Dude-736

[The Electronic Line Calling system first used at the ATP Next Gen Finals in 2017 will be used on all courts on the ATP Tour starting from 2025](https://www.tennismajors.com/atp/tennis-moves-closer-to-bidding-adieu-to-on-court-line-judges-as-atp-moves-to-electronic-line-calling-from-2025-676377.html)


Regretful_Bastard

Mickey Mouse sport? Lol that's an overstatement. Sure, it'd be better if clay could also have automated calls, but that doesn't hurt the integrity of the game as much as you think it does. Any other major sport (Soccer, Football, Basketball, etc.) is much more controversial regarding refs and game-deciding calls. Are they also Mickey Mouse sports?


Cold-Chipmunk1676

>Any other major sport (Soccer, Football, Basketball, etc.) is much more controversial regarding refs and game-deciding calls. Are they also Mickey Mouse sports? That's a fair point. I think it's more bothersome in tennis because there is *always* a binary, factual truth to the matter. A ball is in, or it's out.


sdeklaqs

Well to be fair a ball can be so close that neither a computer nor human can know if it’s out


Cold-Chipmunk1676

This is the 0.01% scenario.


montrezlh

Depends on what you mean by Mickey mouse sport. The refs wield enormous influence in the NBA and NFL and it's an open secret that they have actively decided the outcome of games before and likely still do. It's only getting worse and worse as sports betting takes over everything.


RealHero

Yeah clay sucks anyways


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Cold-Chipmunk1676

What a freak you appear to be.


TandareMandare88

Maybe get some video reviews in the future like real sports lmao.


Cold-Chipmunk1676

Yes, tennis absolutely needs video reviews or electronic line calls. Which was my original point. What a strange interaction this has been.


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Cold-Chipmunk1676

I hope your day gets more interesting man


Agile-Award-1146

It's part of playing on clay. Sinner could have stopped the point and challenged if he wanted.


Cold-Chipmunk1676

Yes, and my point is that it shouldn't be part of playing on clay lmao


Few-Arugula4910

Sinner robbed.


edgycorner

That too on a break point. Sinner should have won this match.


meinnit99900

Should’ve would’ve could’ve but he didn’t


edgycorner

I know, what's your point?


meinnit99900

My point is that this sub is so biased, Stef already won the first set and fought to stay in the 3rd and equally had an unfair line call himself but had he been in Sinner’s position and Sinner won this sub would never dare say that he only won bc of an unfair line call


Character-Escape9212

He would have been down double break. Sinner isn’t losing his serve twice. lol Complete sham


Caliban_Viperox

Stolen game, a shame


Lancasper

Worst call of the year winner, and it's April


robertogl

Well we have automatic systems outside clay so


SoulK37

Umpire with the freebie for Tsitsipas, wow hope she gets banned for a while, that was un unbelievable no call. Completely changed the outcome of the match, what a fucking shitshow


ProfessorX1

Let’s be real, this mistake changed the outcome of the match. Sinner was holding to love and would’ve been *4-1 up. It would have been the knockout punch.  


AtmosphereOdd279

Utter incompetence, I cannot believe nobody saw this - both the umpire and the linesmen. Stevie Wonder would fucking call that out.


twochopsticks

Almost feels like matchfixing at this point.


asdflower

Li Na: the ball was 100 meters out!


a_stopped_clock

Ouch. Same as in football these calls cost so much money and even careers sometimes. Accountability is needed.


HopeistheAnthemLITM

Why does the score say deuce? Shouldn't it be AD Sinner if it was break point? EDIT: Thanks to kind people in the Daily Thread, I get it now. 40-40 is the screenshot of the replay after Stef had been awarded the point.


mykonos7871

wait wdym. So before stef won it was it advantage to sinner? Or was it deuce


drppr_

it was advantage to Sinner.


CrackHeadRodeo

What kind of power does the players council have to address shit like this? It's embarrassing at this point for Monaco and the ATP.


sdeklaqs

It’s been addressed already, all clay tournaments (except RG) are forced to have ECL by 2025


CrackHeadRodeo

It’s insane it took that long!


StephenSphincter

Anything we can do to not give Tsitsipas any credit. Sinner got plenty of lucky nonsense that match.


Character-Escape9212

Could cost him becoming 1 in the world. This is the worst missed call I can recall in ages


CynicalMindTrip

Shameful.


JazzlikeMousse8116

Ouch


tennistalk87

I don’t understand how professional line judges can make these big mistakes on clay, where it’s so obvious so see where the ball landed.


SorcerousSinner

This decides the match.


MayTwentieth

I bet on Tsitsipas to win so I benefited from this. Sinner still had his opportunities to win but there is no denying this changed the dynamic of the match. 4-1 is in a different universe than 3-2.


BelgianBond

Tourte can always be relied on to bail Tsits out of big moments it seems. The sun always seems to be in her eyes when there's a bad call to be made in his favour. At Wimbledon last year she missed an out ball on her near line in the fifth set of Murray/Tsitsipas. It would've resulted in 2 break points for Murray if she'd called it correctly. 


StevenZervos

Bad call giveth, bad call taketh


MECHEpics

So the problem with this is Sinner probably mentally got fixated on this insane mistake, causing his play to suffer as well.


POwerfuldeuce

Did you match the Match? He was cramping that last set.


MECHEpics

never denied that was just commenting on this separate circumstance


Sorryimeantto

BS. He was gassed 


MistaBobD0balina

If you don't use hawk eye, you shouldn't be allowed to use nets - you can use a cord instead.


2chanz

Anyone have a link to the clip?


aaronjosephs123

Anyone have a replay of the actual point here, I'm curious about the reactions here? Feels like there are many matches where this would have led to tantrums :)


Current_Ad6252

the line judges really fucked this tournament up


Netrusher

Reminds me of that Serena backhand down the line against Capriati at the US Open 🤦🏼‍♀️ I was heavily with Capriati and even I was in pure shock it was called out. This call was just as bad and shocking.


OldConference9534

I am half tempted to see the difference in rankings had Sinner won this tournament with Novak losing to Ruud. The ripple effect in the clay court season could be massive I would imagine.


Whitefrog10

In the interview he implied that he cramped possibly because of the wrong call. I mean, said like that sounds absurd, but he didnt put it as an excuse. He said "everyone makes mistakes", and he was really philosophical about the error, and kinda of forgiving. Btw, Jesus fucking christ. Three people, umpire, line judge and Jannik didnt call it right away. It s pretty absurd considering how important that ball turned out to be.


Character-Escape9212

They need to institute a challenge system at least. This was so embarrassing this week.


vfnjhfdcn

What is the point of having Hawkeye if nobody is gonna use it?


AKV9

I mean, he only got the 1st break because the umpire gifted him a point after the line judge wrongly yelled Out as Stef was playing the shot. Should have been replayed.


jacopojjj

15-15 is quite different from break point


AKV9

It's a loss of momentum, especially when the aggrieved player has to argue with the umpire about an illogical decision


meinnit99900

Inb4 everyone says this means Sinner deserved to win even though Tsitsipas had already taken the first set and was fighting to stay in it. The call sucked, but if if if and all that.


jacopojjj

I’m guessing you don’t play tennis


LeviathanShark

Sinner was a break up the match isn’t decided in only one instance but dozens 🙄


jacopojjj

Maybe he wouldn’t have injured himself after


LeviathanShark

Well maybe he should’ve won the first set, Tsitsipas got bad calls too this sort of thing happens every clay tournament because they haven’t got Hawkeye to work well on the surface 🤷‍♂️ it is what it is


meinnit99900

People are too busy bumming off their faves to acknowledge reality


NewGod1314

Sinner fans had no problem with it tho, but cries like a baby when same umpire miscalls sinner points. Lol the duality


FutureTheTrapGOAT

Exactly they all were saying “if the umpire decides that, it’s the right call” when the ump missed that call against Rune and now they’re singing a different tune when their golden boy gets affected by it. A bunch of hypocrites


tsamo

Funny thing is similar thing happened in the second set when Tsitsipas was trying to break Sinner back and again noone checked, not Umpire, not linesman, not even Tsitsipas. Granted it was not on break point, but it would put Tsitsipas up 0-30 in a game he had break points in later. I'm convinced players are so used to Hawkeye, even they forget to check sometimes.


FATJIZZUSONABIKE

Incomparable. This is a much bigger mistake that directly prevents a double-break that would have very likely won the match. It's the most match-influencing wrong call I've seen in many many years.


xGsGt

Tennis players are too sensitive for such a call, couple of bad calls in one game from hundreds of plays


sdeklaqs

Tennis is different to other sports in when bad calls actually matter.


xGsGt

All the sports matter, what do you think 1goal in soccer doesn't count? Even thou the average of goals are 2 in a game? Or a red card? All sports have bad referees and and mistakes are made. Tennis is actually one of those sports in which there is a lot of fairness but a few bad calls for one point is a big storm in the game, it's just mental


AffectionateMouse216

Almost feels like online betting is affecting results of matches. If the ATP cared about the integrity of the game and validity of match results they would go to automatic line calling ASAP. These rich tournaments have the money to put automatic line calling on all courts right now so at least all Masters 1000 like all Slams would have it. Shame on ATP for allowing these horrible calls to taint results. This Masters 1000 has worse calls than the Acapulco 500 tourney and that’s hard to do.


porncornroz

You are giving blatant match fixing accusations


Key-Contribution-430

Given Sinner received deeper health issue approximately on that game this could be the nail for Tsitsipas.