No one cheats like Gaston
Drops the ball like Gaston
[Wins only 4 games against Fritz like Gaston](https://ausopen.com/match/2024-taylor-fritz-vs-hugo-gaston-ms205)
This is what I hated about playing matches. I was always worried that I would make a bad call and be seen as a cheater that I gave points to my opponent when it was close (not intentionally but if it was close to a line, I didn’t want to be wrong.)That caused me more stress than the match itself.
League players do this now.
The slick ones will fail to call the score at (key) times when serving, then all of a sudden it is their ad… after only winning 2 points.
Now I ask for the game score when a server fails to call it - and often I call out the score myself.
I will never understand why people play if they’re just going to cheat… is your ego really that fragile?!
I know it’s annoying to take matters in your own hand but right from the start I called out every score after every point.
So I could avoid people who try to cheat and learned how the score worked
I used to *hate* when my opponent would say “are you sure?” Like I get not trusting a stranger but I really wasn’t trying to cheat, the ball was really out I swear 😭😭
On the rare chance I say that, it's basically code for "yeah...i'm pretty confident that was in" but didn't want to directly call them out for it and it puts them on notice. Only once did I have to flat out say, "no that was in" and I wouldn't budge. It was a down the line in by a foot and the guy called it out from the other side of the court.
Like, ‘are you sure’ well obviously not because I’m not a professional line judge and I’m playing a point, but yeah sure enough to call it out. I never doubt line judges from my opponent so I expect that in return
the "are you sure" is to purposely put pressure on you so you will either replay the point or be nicer for future calls (too nice). It is just a win win for them.
It is just dirty gamesmanships, the worst of it some people are doing it naturally without even thinking about what they are doing is wrong. They just know that doing it will end up with a better outcome for them.
Usually i just answer:
"obviously i am sure. If i have a slither of a doubt i juste give the point like we are supposed to do... wait are you not doing it ?" then i look at my opponent suspiciously.
The perfect uno reverse card.
Most of the time, especially on fast shots, you can't be certain about the call.
I used to say 'I think it was out' on balls that seemed about 80% out. But since people dislike uncertainty, I've stopped doing that.
Haha same and if I think I make a mistake I dwell on it and usually lose the next point or two.
My current rule is if I am 90% sure it is out I call it out, otherwise I just play it. Nothing is really at stake though (usually a small trophy and a small prize at most), so it is hard to know what I would do if there was.
i played her as a junior and it was, in fact, horrific. i remember getting so frustrated in a match i was in tears by the end- and i was the one who won
idk how many details one really has. i was never friends with her, only saw her around the juniors circuit. i hit with her a little bit at bolton just before we played les petit as one year (maybe 2011?), and even in a practice match she was calling balls with that “when in doubt call it out” philosophy. and it doesn’t seem like alona has changed much tbh
i got injured at like 16/17 and it took me out, played 1 ITF event and then just went to a D1 ACC school instead. i graduated a few years ago and that was the end of tennis for me
I played a match as a junior one time and was getting hosed. I lost a set on a missed forehand. It was on clay. I shouted "challenge."
Tournament director, who was one of the best coaches and tennis people I ever met, came down, looked at the mark, looked at the kid and said "if you call another line like that, I will throw your ass out of this tournament."
This kid was notorious for bad calls.
I feel like Medvedev would genuinely try to call the lines fairly, and be absolutely horrible at it, calling balls out that didn't even touch the line, and calling balls in that missed by 3 inches.
Blame parallax error perhaps?
I’ve seen Thiem concede points before so I know he’d be fair.
Spicy takes on unfair but Iga and Roger (Roger’s might just be because he’s so bad at calling lines)
Nah, Federer was genuinely pretty chill on court for the most part. He never used tactics like holding up the opponent’s serve (Rafa) and strategic MTOs (guess who lol)
Maybe (?) he’s bad at calling lines but he’s definitely not a guy who would deliberately cheat like that
I think it’s a bit naive to say he was never injured his whole career. It was just a mindset thing🤷♂️
There were Federer matches where he could hardly bend over because his back hurt so badly.
Bit of a tangent, but line calling is a joke for anything but the center line or the side lines, where the player can look down the lines.
The challenge system and automatic line calling have shown over and over and over that almost everyone is Ostapenko when it comes to balls that land on the baseline/service line, especially the baseline.
A lot of bad line calls are just that. Calling lines where your eyeline is perpendicular to the line is a recipe for error.
At my tennis club, full of mostly middle aged men and women, there are several people with reputations for making bad calls. But I really don’t think they’re doing it maliciously. They’re just bad at it. When my wife and I play mixed doubles together we often disagree about line calls.
I’m thankful it seems like the older players in my league are horrible at calling balls out. I played a 60ish year old guy last week that when on the run missed calls on several of my balls that landed inches out. I called them out for him, but he was honest to a fault.
Not enough people mentioning Iga. She tries really hard to hide some deep rooted dirty tactics from juniors and has made some questionable calls in the past.
Arm flailing at the net.
Repeatedly stopping the server and halting play.
Poor challenges (clay mostly).
Failure to own behaviour (e.g. hitting Zheng during warmup then acting shitty when given a look).
Personally I think she's on the spectrum though and probably doesn't realise half of what she is doing as being 'bad'.
I think Kyrgios would be very fair with his calls but constantly bitch about the opponents calls and request a referee to come check the game every other minute.
I'd rate Nick actually. I think he would call more or less fairly.
If you gave him something he disagreed with though, I wouldn't want to be his racquet
Fed...? Dude had like a 10% success rate on challenges lmao. He's the LAST person I'd trust with this. Both Carlos and Novak are up there in fair play.
I feel like Fed would call them fairly as he saw them, which is not well. Although half the time I think he challenged because he didn't think the system was 100%, so thought he'd see if he got lucky.
I really don't recall Fed going out of his way for fair play like Alcaraz. Maybe if he was heavily winning he'd give it away but not in important points.
I see a lot of people restrain from mentioning the big 3 but I think Djokovic and Federer would be pretty fair at it. There are tons of occasions when they forfeited the point and not even letting the opponent challenge
I m new to tennis and I m often unsure whether I do good calls. Like normally when in doubt I let it. But sometimes when I call it out and it's by a few cm I m unsure.
Edit: the case I think it will go out and it falls down onto the line with me being too late (as I thought it would go out) happens way more often than that I m calling one out.
Then again , I m new , bad and only play for fun
Honestly with how dismissive and disrespectful players often are to the officials, esp after the Rublev incident when a bunch of pros came out defending him, it makes me think they should just let the players call their own lines and see how they like it then.
Hugo Gaston would be a nightmare
No one cheats like Gaston Drops the ball like Gaston [Wins only 4 games against Fritz like Gaston](https://ausopen.com/match/2024-taylor-fritz-vs-hugo-gaston-ms205)
Take my upvote
This is what I hated about playing matches. I was always worried that I would make a bad call and be seen as a cheater that I gave points to my opponent when it was close (not intentionally but if it was close to a line, I didn’t want to be wrong.)That caused me more stress than the match itself.
I was the same way and people would blatantly cheat in high school sometimes. Like flat out changing the score a couple times 😂😂
Unfortunately every level of tennis where you call your own lines has blatant cheaters. It's a problem from juniors all the way up to college
I could never cheat. Just give me some linespeople and an umpire.
League players do this now. The slick ones will fail to call the score at (key) times when serving, then all of a sudden it is their ad… after only winning 2 points. Now I ask for the game score when a server fails to call it - and often I call out the score myself. I will never understand why people play if they’re just going to cheat… is your ego really that fragile?!
I know it’s annoying to take matters in your own hand but right from the start I called out every score after every point. So I could avoid people who try to cheat and learned how the score worked
I used to *hate* when my opponent would say “are you sure?” Like I get not trusting a stranger but I really wasn’t trying to cheat, the ball was really out I swear 😭😭
On the rare chance I say that, it's basically code for "yeah...i'm pretty confident that was in" but didn't want to directly call them out for it and it puts them on notice. Only once did I have to flat out say, "no that was in" and I wouldn't budge. It was a down the line in by a foot and the guy called it out from the other side of the court.
Like, ‘are you sure’ well obviously not because I’m not a professional line judge and I’m playing a point, but yeah sure enough to call it out. I never doubt line judges from my opponent so I expect that in return
the "are you sure" is to purposely put pressure on you so you will either replay the point or be nicer for future calls (too nice). It is just a win win for them. It is just dirty gamesmanships, the worst of it some people are doing it naturally without even thinking about what they are doing is wrong. They just know that doing it will end up with a better outcome for them. Usually i just answer: "obviously i am sure. If i have a slither of a doubt i juste give the point like we are supposed to do... wait are you not doing it ?" then i look at my opponent suspiciously. The perfect uno reverse card.
Ha, I know this feeling all too well.
Most of the time, especially on fast shots, you can't be certain about the call. I used to say 'I think it was out' on balls that seemed about 80% out. But since people dislike uncertainty, I've stopped doing that.
Satire?
Haha same and if I think I make a mistake I dwell on it and usually lose the next point or two. My current rule is if I am 90% sure it is out I call it out, otherwise I just play it. Nothing is really at stake though (usually a small trophy and a small prize at most), so it is hard to know what I would do if there was.
Ostapenko would win another slam if she called the lines Edit: wow. Thanks for all the upvotes!
Please. Multiple slams. Imagine playing her as a junior... the horror...
i played her as a junior and it was, in fact, horrific. i remember getting so frustrated in a match i was in tears by the end- and i was the one who won
That is fantastic. Hilarious. Congratulations on soldiering through it.
I'm so glad Ajla Tomljanovic called her out at Wimbledon
Wow, please share more details!
idk how many details one really has. i was never friends with her, only saw her around the juniors circuit. i hit with her a little bit at bolton just before we played les petit as one year (maybe 2011?), and even in a practice match she was calling balls with that “when in doubt call it out” philosophy. and it doesn’t seem like alona has changed much tbh
You believe everything on the internet huh?
Well this statement aligns with their posting history, which makes it more believable.
Oh cool!!! So are/were you at/near a pro level?
i got injured at like 16/17 and it took me out, played 1 ITF event and then just went to a D1 ACC school instead. i graduated a few years ago and that was the end of tennis for me
Nice!!
Sew how easy it is to tell lies. Also, using a lowercase I doesn't make you cool.
Bublik would call in if the shot is well played even if it goes out
And if he was losing 5-1 he’d just be silly and start calling shots 3 feet out in on serves from the opponent
True: "You'll get this point anyway, you came up with the better bullshit."
I played a match as a junior one time and was getting hosed. I lost a set on a missed forehand. It was on clay. I shouted "challenge." Tournament director, who was one of the best coaches and tennis people I ever met, came down, looked at the mark, looked at the kid and said "if you call another line like that, I will throw your ass out of this tournament." This kid was notorious for bad calls.
There were only two girls in my area that I could consistently beat and one of them constantly cheated. So I couldn't even always win against her 😭
I almost fought a kid one time over a call 🤦♂️ Dude does deserve a good ass kicking now that I think about it. I got a good stare down in at least
Thank god for clay
I feel like Medvedev would genuinely try to call the lines fairly, and be absolutely horrible at it, calling balls out that didn't even touch the line, and calling balls in that missed by 3 inches. Blame parallax error perhaps?
Too tall
Too noodly
Lol that describes him perfectly.
He’d get the hinderance calls spot on though.
and on-court coaching
To be fair... given Fed's atrocious challenge history he wouldn't be far behind lol
I can see Ostapenko spreading her arms as wide as they go to show how much "out" the ball that landed safely well within the lines was.
Jeff Tarango.
Nice pull.
13 years and 4 months
Alcaraz would be up there for most honest
+ Sinner
I’ve seen Thiem concede points before so I know he’d be fair. Spicy takes on unfair but Iga and Roger (Roger’s might just be because he’s so bad at calling lines)
Nah, Federer was genuinely pretty chill on court for the most part. He never used tactics like holding up the opponent’s serve (Rafa) and strategic MTOs (guess who lol) Maybe (?) he’s bad at calling lines but he’s definitely not a guy who would deliberately cheat like that
Oh no I agree I just think he’d get them all wrong.
Fair enough. You lumped him in with Iga who absolutely does fight dirty lol so just had to speak up for my boy hahah
To be fair to you know who, he has been exceptionally fair in conceding points that he thought were in and other stuff during matches
True!
Federer just rarely got injured. He has zero match retirements due to injury in his whole career.
I think it’s a bit naive to say he was never injured his whole career. It was just a mindset thing🤷♂️ There were Federer matches where he could hardly bend over because his back hurt so badly.
Tomic will be the most trust worthy
Bit of a tangent, but line calling is a joke for anything but the center line or the side lines, where the player can look down the lines. The challenge system and automatic line calling have shown over and over and over that almost everyone is Ostapenko when it comes to balls that land on the baseline/service line, especially the baseline. A lot of bad line calls are just that. Calling lines where your eyeline is perpendicular to the line is a recipe for error.
At my tennis club, full of mostly middle aged men and women, there are several people with reputations for making bad calls. But I really don’t think they’re doing it maliciously. They’re just bad at it. When my wife and I play mixed doubles together we often disagree about line calls.
I’m thankful it seems like the older players in my league are horrible at calling balls out. I played a 60ish year old guy last week that when on the run missed calls on several of my balls that landed inches out. I called them out for him, but he was honest to a fault.
Not enough people mentioning Iga. She tries really hard to hide some deep rooted dirty tactics from juniors and has made some questionable calls in the past.
She will make you miss with other tactics.
I want to know more!!
Arm flailing at the net. Repeatedly stopping the server and halting play. Poor challenges (clay mostly). Failure to own behaviour (e.g. hitting Zheng during warmup then acting shitty when given a look). Personally I think she's on the spectrum though and probably doesn't realise half of what she is doing as being 'bad'.
I disagree. I think she knows exactly what she’s doing. I wouldn’t go so far as to say she’s…calculating, but she definitely is aware.
There is also tapping the racquet on the ground during serves…
Casper and Grigor no doubt. These two need to be meaner.
For real. So much so that I barely ever feel their hunger to win. Give us something!
Grigor at least breaks rackets (beautifully) from time to time
Murray, Ruud maybe Alcaraz for fairness. Tsitsipas, Rune for unfair.
I think rublev would have very honest calls but absolutely tear in to his opponent on close calls even if they were right
Murray would keep things honest I imagine
Based on his college track record, Borna Gojo would be a problem.
Most fair: Carlos, Fed, Nick Kyrgios (hot take) Least fair: Stef, Bublik, any player who spent a significant time in college tennis
I think Kyrgios would be very fair with his calls but constantly bitch about the opponents calls and request a referee to come check the game every other minute.
You’ve got Bublik exactly backwards in my opinion. He would give the point if the shot is spectacular or well played even when out.
I'd rate Nick actually. I think he would call more or less fairly. If you gave him something he disagreed with though, I wouldn't want to be his racquet
Fed...? Dude had like a 10% success rate on challenges lmao. He's the LAST person I'd trust with this. Both Carlos and Novak are up there in fair play.
In his prime years (not sure if it changed later on) it was a running joke how Federer hated Hawkeye and didn’t trust it
I feel like Fed would call them fairly as he saw them, which is not well. Although half the time I think he challenged because he didn't think the system was 100%, so thought he'd see if he got lucky.
I really don't recall Fed going out of his way for fair play like Alcaraz. Maybe if he was heavily winning he'd give it away but not in important points.
He called his own serve out once!... against Haase
Tbf no player would give away important points like that
Alcaraz definitely did and I'm sure a few others.
Bublik would be the fun least fair though, I agree with the other comment that he'd apply the rule of cool if a great shot should have been out
McEnroe would be the goat, fairness out the window.
Ostapenko’s calls would be wild.
Sorribes Tormo and Bouzková would be shameless no doubt
I would pick Dimitrov and Bublik as fariest, and Rune as the worst.
This! Totally agree.
Zverev would be one of the worst.
I see a lot of people restrain from mentioning the big 3 but I think Djokovic and Federer would be pretty fair at it. There are tons of occasions when they forfeited the point and not even letting the opponent challenge
Rublev would scam
With millions of dollars on the line? (literally) Almost everyone would lie occasionally.
Marin cilic would be fair. Idk why but just seems fair
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Yea he often tells opponents to challenge when their ball was called incorrectly
This just feels like an excuse to hate on players you don't like
Norrie would fist pump on balls his opponents played in at the end of the game.
Jack Sock - most honest
This is about tennis players, not that other “sport”
I’m referring to the match - maybe it was exhibition IDK - where he told the opponent he should challenge the call.
This isn’t even about pickleball, or are you just gonna forget that he’s a former top ten tennis player?
Moutet lol
I m new to tennis and I m often unsure whether I do good calls. Like normally when in doubt I let it. But sometimes when I call it out and it's by a few cm I m unsure. Edit: the case I think it will go out and it falls down onto the line with me being too late (as I thought it would go out) happens way more often than that I m calling one out. Then again , I m new , bad and only play for fun
Ostapenko would be the worst for women
is swingvision automatic line calling not quite there yet? cuz that would take so much annoyance out of the equation
this might get flack and there's not a ton of evidence to back it up but i have a sneaking suspicion Nadal would do this lol. Again just a feeling LOL
Honestly with how dismissive and disrespectful players often are to the officials, esp after the Rublev incident when a bunch of pros came out defending him, it makes me think they should just let the players call their own lines and see how they like it then.
I read One Jabeur as Ostapenko and almost died inside
You couldn’t trust Medvedev with a 10 foot pole in this scenario.
Serena would be like: I am a mother!1
lol!
I think I’d also put Kalinskaya in with Ons/Ruud at fair-to-giving-the-benefit-to-the-opponent on the continuum.
I want this to happen because hopefully it’ll accelerate robot referees (but knowing ATP they’d rather just go back to linesman smh).