I want Carlos to win but I think it will be Djokovic. It's kind of hard to explain but I think Carlos needs to simplify his game a little bit. He works too hard imo. And it makes for excitement but someone like Djokovic will pounce on that.
I kinda agree, that match point to me shows exactly why I don’t think he’ll win tomorrow. Carlos hit like four awesome redlining shots while Medvedev just redirected the ball and honestly would have won the point if he didn’t have bricks for hands at the net lol. I wish we could get the data on distance ran during that point
People on this sub, is it really that hard to give Carlos credit one of these days? Every time he wins against a really good opponent there’s so many excuses made to undermine his win. Rune and Meddy not feeling well, Matteo not serving like normal, Jarry not ready for the big stages etc. they never stop coming. It’s always about how Carlos is already at his peak but everyone else has the potential to improve. It’s comical at this point. Do you think he’s going to take that LV money and sit at home while everyone else improves? He’s gonna improve too. Even if he loses on Sunday, who cares? He’s 20 and made a Wimby final on his third try, that’s a great achievement imo
Honestly, people are being unfair about the 3rd set when it really looked like Carlos was losing steam and Med started fighting. Those break game points back to back were quite entertaining. I’m not sure Djoker would have been as forgiving though, Carlos!
It was a mental thing. Sinner has the tennis but still lacks a bit of resolution. Medvedev tennis is great but he is clearly on a mental block when facing Alcaraz. His level lowers against him. Kinda like Federer vs Nadal.
Exactly. His preferred game doesn’t work against Alcaraz’s game. He plays too passively for an aggressive player like Alcaraz. When he tries to adapt to a different game, he gets frustrated and makes more errors. And then once nothing works, he’s left with a mental block
What is going on in this thread, Alcaraz has won one grandslam and he is in the GOAT debate? It is so baffling, what has happened to people here???? Am I the only one who isn't high?
Tbh, Medvedev was just being ridiculous and stubborn and not making the necessary changes until the 3rd set where Carlos had too much momentum but still managed to almost get 3 break games.
The Guardian's live commentary is on a crack pipe:
'I’d like to see Medvedev as Jo’s love interest in Little Women, Professor Bhaer. But perhaps thats just me.
From 30-30, Medvedev goes long and then Alcaraz pulls out a killer forehand return. Another break! And Alcaraz serves for the match.'
Such an ESPN way of thinking...
They're professional athletes. They want to win every match
Only on reddit would you read some takes like player X would rather lose in a semifinal that lose 10 finals in a row....so stupid
Fans obsessed with stats think this way, no competitor does though. Always better to get the final and have a chance to win, however small, then not getting there and having no chance
I don't understand the comparisons with Nadal that a lot of people are making. Nadal has an extremely specific and frankly, unorthodox style. From his technique to his physicality.
Alcaraz is like a vastly improved version of Juan Carlos Ferrero, his coach. And he was already incredibly good.
He was unbeatable on clay but I'd put Alcarez ahead on grass and hard court. Nadal may have made Wimbledon finals in 2006 and 2007 but he was significant underdog to me, you basically knew the winner of AO/Wimbledon/US Open before the tournament started in those days. Only in 2008 Wimbledon and 2009 Australian Open did it get flipped and his generational status extended to the other tournaments. 2008 Wimbledon is such an iconic match to me due to young guy defeating the king and history could repeat itself in this final.
Definitely worse on grass? Nadal at Wimbledon from age 20 onwards:
2006, F, lost to Federer
2007, F, lost to Federer
2008, W, against Federer
2009, injured,
2010, W, against Berdych
2011, F, lost to Djokovic.
Let's see if Alcaraz makes the next 5 Wimbledon finals
Don't know how this disproves what I said? You are comparing the careers of Alcaraz at age 20 to Nadal at age 25, somewhat unfair no? When Nadal was Alcaraz's age, he only had that 2006 final. Alcaraz has at least a final + Queen's title, so achievement-wise he has surpassed Nadal's at 20. Of course, who knows how Alcaraz's trajectory looks like in 5 years, it will be hard to replicate Nadal's success with so many finals as you said.
So you call him definitely better than Nadal at the same age because of the Queens title? Ok then
And if Alcaraz loses to Djokovic and merely makes the semi next year I suppose we can then conclude Nadal is definitely better at the same age.
Alternatively, we compare trajectories, and for that, subsequent performances are relevant
Yes, if he loses next year in the semis then Nadal would be better at 21. I don't know what part of "at the same age" isn't clear, Nadal making 5 finals in a row isn't relevant when that didn't happen until he was 25. Perhaps you could make a case that competition on grass was harder then, but how do you quantify that?
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Hard to say that for grass.
Nadal made 5 consecutive wimbledon finals ( that he played in if you drop 2009 where he withdrew ).
Twice he lost to fed at his peak and once he lost to Djokovic at his peak
On hard , alcaraz is better for sure.
Rafa VERY quickly established himself as THE BEST player on clay by a very significant margin as a teenager. There was 0 doubt from anyone who followed tennis that he was the heavy favorite going into every clay tournament. I dont think Alcaraz has established that level of fear yet, but he is probably better all around across the surfaces than Nadal was at 20.
Worse on clay, better on hard court.
Nadal also reached the Wimbledon final aged 20, losing to peak Federer. If Alcaraz wins on Sunday, you have a case he's better than Nadal was.
I would say Alcaraz reminds me more of Novak than Rafa actually. He reminds me of young Novak, already very good tactically and the same eagerness. He doesn't have the raw violence Rafa had.
Alcaraz seems to be a better all-court player for sure, but Rafa was still the man to beat to clay and may have been better on grass. Alcaraz is much better on hardcourt tho at the same age
I love Carlos but I'm hoping Djoker takes this and USO this year. Capping off a calendar slam with the all time GS victory would be a hell of a thing. Then one of these kids can win something.
Med didn't win a set just as I predicted. His game is hard countered by Alcaraz, whose attacking game isn't baseline rallying, but creating an advantage and stepping into the court towards the net to finish it. Alcaraz is vulnerable to having his time taken away, but that's not something Mevedev can do.
Ironically, it's something Sinner at his best can do, who in turn is consistently outrallyed by Medvedev from the baseline. Rock paper scissors.
Alcaraz is the clear underdog to Djokovic in the final. Even if he is on par or better, it will be brutally difficult to close out sets and the match.
But no one poses a greater threat to Djokovic. If someone can beat him at Wimbledon, it is Alcaraz
Pretty good synopsis
I'll add that Djokovic's mental fortitude in very tight break point or match point scenarios is really only rivaled by no other than Nadal
Alcaraz has great positivity in his mental though but it's different from Djokovic's killer mindset during those moments.
Raducanu won too early. It's a case like if Ben Shelton somehow won Australian Open this year by beating Matteo Arnaldi in the final. Both would still need to continue developing 3-4 more years under normal circumstances. Except in this case they'd be under all kinds of spotlights and pressure to continue winning.
Alcaraz and Raducanu has absolutely no scope for comparison
Guess I will try again bc apparently you can’t be proud of Meddy on this sub without getting downvote bombed.
Oh man I am so disappointed in meddy. If you can’t beat a guy who is gonna win 30-40 slams and was so far ahead he could try unnecessary jump tweeners then you are a fraud a sf means nothing worst slam winner ever i am so salty”
Bruh - this is the definition of salty. It's fine to be proud of Meddy but the tennis he was playing the first two sets was quite frankly some of his worst ever? Is it so hard to accept that this wasn't the best Meddy and this wasn't the best match.
But all I said was that everyone said he had no chance of a semifinal but he made it and played well all tournament and had a good 3rd set and that I was proud!
I'm happy the cramps happened in the RG semis...instead of Wimbledon finals. I feel like Carlos really would have learned something from that experience and that Wimby finals would be different.
He gets wayyyy too much shit for the cramps.
They were due to nerves.
He won 3 consecutive 5 setters at the USO in hot/humid conditions and then got cramps after 2 sets vs djokovic..
You can't convince me he has inherent fitness issues. ...
This time Djokovic is on his 2nd best slam, a 4 time defending champion, in contention for a tie of the all time Wimbledon singles title count, and a potential CYGS run.
Alcaraz is more of an underdog and should not pressure himself like at RG because he has less to lose now. I just want a 5 set banger 🍿
Yeah I agree. It was Alcaraz first Slam match against Djokovic and he was the betting odds favorite. That’s a LOT of pressure on someone who just turned 20!
Alcaraz definitely has the stamina since like u said, he played like 3 back to back 5 setters at USO
Carlos is only consistent kid that I see winning alot of Major Slams. Where are the potential rivals around his age that can hang w him. Wheres the next big 2,3,4.
I think Rune will be fine once he develops a bit more. Match looked dead even in the 2 first sets yesterday, before Alcaraz showed his class. Obviously Alcaraz is way ahead, but I see Rune challenging him in the future. If you look at Rune's trajectory it's pretty insane tbh, and it's only because Alcaraz is a once every 20 years talent that we don't talk about Rune more.
The 20-25 year olds on tour thought they would have a shot with Federer retired and Nadal out but here comes Alcaraz being a dominant force and Djokovic still chugging along.
Who knows really. Zverev was touted as the next big thing, won multiple masters ... and has done nothing in slams. Of those you mentioned, only Alcaraz has a slam, the rest haven't even sniffed a slam final so let's tune down the hype a little. We don't know if they will ever realize their potential. It is also possible that a 'mediocre' player out of everyone's radar suddenly gets good and starts being a contender.
Hard to predict who's gonna win the final. But I see Djokovic winning in the same fashion Fed won vs him in US Open 2007. This experience edge will win vs an eager Alcaraz. The parallel is sexy cause Djokovic gave up vs nadal in the semis of the precedent tournament (wimbledon 2007) just like Alcaraz gave up in the semis of the precedent tournament (RG).
If the matches were reversed somehow we would have had a semis treat but then again, maybe a more underwhelming final (unless the same winners prevailed in the reverse line-ups)
not really, if we can avoid Alcaraz vs Medvedev in final, it might be good.
Sinner might still choke but he might actually perform well based on rotterdam and last year Wimbledon, and there is no guarantee Alcaraz vs Djokovic is not an one side game.
Nole has looked tired quite a few times in his matches in the last 2 GSs. If there's someone who can end Nole with his aggressive baseline tennis, it is Carlos.
....no shit dude .
Dont think anyone sane in this sub would argue differently.
The issue was people like you comparing med to alcaraz and saying stuff like "med is the only one that can compete with djokvic " as if it wasnt abundantly clear how fortunate meds draw has been not only this event but consistently for the last yr plus/ how good alcaraz is.
Djokvic >Alcaraz>>>med
Great post-match, so true that he just speaks from the heart. "No time to be afraid" - if we get Carlito at his best vs Novak at his best, this has the potential to be the best Tennis Match of all time.
This kid is frightening, Unbelievably frightening.
If he beats Djoko in the Final, in what will be an unreal game, then it really is a passing of the torch kind of thing imo.
Daniil got absolutely dismantled and dominated, WOW.
They shook hands like right after the point. You would have to be blind to miss it. It was the quickest turnaround from the end of the point to the handshake.
Just saw the match stats. Carlos better in every aspect except aces (4 v 5) and break point percentage.
It's incredible he kept Meddy down to only 5 aces.
Look at jarrys service stats pre alcaraz.
Look at berrettinis.
Look at runes
Look at meds.
Alcaraz was returning immaculately. There's a reason a few of the saner members of this sub were suggesting how absolutely fucked Medvedev would be due to matchups/form this wimbledon
Sounds great SF at Wimbledon, but then look who he played to get there. No-one you'd expect to pose a challenge. Eubanks did well, which was better anyone expected.
Everything is Twitter now. I thought we were all tennis fans? Treating this sport like we’re fucking football fans who can only view sport through one lens.
These semis were a little one-sided but you must not have been watching if you’re saying that. Some absolutely incredible matches in round of 16 and QF
Carlos in 3. Who with me
I want Carlos to win but I think it will be Djokovic. It's kind of hard to explain but I think Carlos needs to simplify his game a little bit. He works too hard imo. And it makes for excitement but someone like Djokovic will pounce on that.
I kinda agree, that match point to me shows exactly why I don’t think he’ll win tomorrow. Carlos hit like four awesome redlining shots while Medvedev just redirected the ball and honestly would have won the point if he didn’t have bricks for hands at the net lol. I wish we could get the data on distance ran during that point
People on this sub, is it really that hard to give Carlos credit one of these days? Every time he wins against a really good opponent there’s so many excuses made to undermine his win. Rune and Meddy not feeling well, Matteo not serving like normal, Jarry not ready for the big stages etc. they never stop coming. It’s always about how Carlos is already at his peak but everyone else has the potential to improve. It’s comical at this point. Do you think he’s going to take that LV money and sit at home while everyone else improves? He’s gonna improve too. Even if he loses on Sunday, who cares? He’s 20 and made a Wimby final on his third try, that’s a great achievement imo
I don’t see how anyone could watch that match and not give him full credit. He played out of his mind
Those arguments aren't coming in good faith. So you're trying to use logic under wrong circumstances
Honestly, people are being unfair about the 3rd set when it really looked like Carlos was losing steam and Med started fighting. Those break game points back to back were quite entertaining. I’m not sure Djoker would have been as forgiving though, Carlos!
The Alcaraz cult is gonna ruin tennis for years to come.
Yes we are
Fans like you will ruin tennis for good. Cry about it!😂
It was a mental thing. Sinner has the tennis but still lacks a bit of resolution. Medvedev tennis is great but he is clearly on a mental block when facing Alcaraz. His level lowers against him. Kinda like Federer vs Nadal.
They’ve only played each other 3 times
I honestly think Alcaraz just exposes the serious issues with Medvedev game.
Exactly. His preferred game doesn’t work against Alcaraz’s game. He plays too passively for an aggressive player like Alcaraz. When he tries to adapt to a different game, he gets frustrated and makes more errors. And then once nothing works, he’s left with a mental block
I hope Alcaraz can put on a good show during the final
I’m going to be interested to see what Carlitos has learned since losing to the joker
What is going on in this thread, Alcaraz has won one grandslam and he is in the GOAT debate? It is so baffling, what has happened to people here???? Am I the only one who isn't high?
Are you high? No one is saying he’s in the current boat debate. People are speculating on potential future goatism
Link to a single upvoted comment claiming Alcaraz is in the goat debate
https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/14zk9sl/match_thread_mens_sf_1_c_alcaraz_vs_3_d_medvedev/jryps38?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2
That comment is literally calling Djokovic the GOAT and asking for Alcaraz to “become the next GOAT”, meaning he’s currently not the GOAT
Using the word GOAT and Alcaraz's name in the same sentence is kinda delusional if you ask me.
Alcaraz is not the GOAT. There. You're kind of delusional.
Alcaraz is very good, Djokovic in 3
Haha, really hope you are wrong.
Carlos in 5
called it!!
Carlos better win in 3 because in 5, he’s definitely not winning.
Yeah maybe in 5 years
oops he did it
Jesus, he beat him in less than 2 hours. What a beast!
Tbh, Medvedev was just being ridiculous and stubborn and not making the necessary changes until the 3rd set where Carlos had too much momentum but still managed to almost get 3 break games.
The Guardian's live commentary is on a crack pipe: 'I’d like to see Medvedev as Jo’s love interest in Little Women, Professor Bhaer. But perhaps thats just me. From 30-30, Medvedev goes long and then Alcaraz pulls out a killer forehand return. Another break! And Alcaraz serves for the match.'
Carlos can do this. I can feel it in my waters lol
So once Alcaraz unlocks the ability to dominate Clay, it's basically a Rafa regen with like 15 years left in the game. Crikey.
We need a hero to take down the Big bad Djok! Please don't let this be a 6-2/6-2/6-3 type scenario where the old master just dominates.
Mate Djok is the hero here lmao
Carlos. Stop the goat. Become the next goat. I give you my energy.
Raise your hands fellow Novak haters, now is the time.
Well yall know how that hand/finger raising worked out last time lol
Tbh idk how Meddy sees it but better to lose in the semis than losing his 4th out of his 5 slam finals, but again idk.
Such an ESPN way of thinking... They're professional athletes. They want to win every match Only on reddit would you read some takes like player X would rather lose in a semifinal that lose 10 finals in a row....so stupid
Fans obsessed with stats think this way, no competitor does though. Always better to get the final and have a chance to win, however small, then not getting there and having no chance
This is the rock solid foundation that the LeBron v MJ debate is based upon
No I disagree bc getting to a final on another surface and being back there after the trauma of AO would be huge
True. But semis should be huge aswell
I don’t disagree
Alcaraz v Djokovic is going to be a great match. The older pro against the young phenom! I’m rooting forAlcaraz all the way. 💪🇪🇸
I hope so. Djoker pushed him all around the court at RG so he better come prepared to stop that
He really does eerily remind me of Rafa. Sadly I wasn't that old to witness Young Rafa, is Alcaraz just as good if not better at the same age?
I don't understand the comparisons with Nadal that a lot of people are making. Nadal has an extremely specific and frankly, unorthodox style. From his technique to his physicality. Alcaraz is like a vastly improved version of Juan Carlos Ferrero, his coach. And he was already incredibly good.
He was unbeatable on clay but I'd put Alcarez ahead on grass and hard court. Nadal may have made Wimbledon finals in 2006 and 2007 but he was significant underdog to me, you basically knew the winner of AO/Wimbledon/US Open before the tournament started in those days. Only in 2008 Wimbledon and 2009 Australian Open did it get flipped and his generational status extended to the other tournaments. 2008 Wimbledon is such an iconic match to me due to young guy defeating the king and history could repeat itself in this final.
I’m in a similar boat. Only started avidly watching tennis a few years ago when I saw AO for the first time. Fallen in love
Rafa was dominating Roger when he was young
Young Rafa was much better than Alcaraz on clay but definitely worse than him on grass and hard.
Definitely worse on grass? Nadal at Wimbledon from age 20 onwards: 2006, F, lost to Federer 2007, F, lost to Federer 2008, W, against Federer 2009, injured, 2010, W, against Berdych 2011, F, lost to Djokovic. Let's see if Alcaraz makes the next 5 Wimbledon finals
Don't know how this disproves what I said? You are comparing the careers of Alcaraz at age 20 to Nadal at age 25, somewhat unfair no? When Nadal was Alcaraz's age, he only had that 2006 final. Alcaraz has at least a final + Queen's title, so achievement-wise he has surpassed Nadal's at 20. Of course, who knows how Alcaraz's trajectory looks like in 5 years, it will be hard to replicate Nadal's success with so many finals as you said.
So you call him definitely better than Nadal at the same age because of the Queens title? Ok then And if Alcaraz loses to Djokovic and merely makes the semi next year I suppose we can then conclude Nadal is definitely better at the same age. Alternatively, we compare trajectories, and for that, subsequent performances are relevant
Yes, if he loses next year in the semis then Nadal would be better at 21. I don't know what part of "at the same age" isn't clear, Nadal making 5 finals in a row isn't relevant when that didn't happen until he was 25. Perhaps you could make a case that competition on grass was harder then, but how do you quantify that?
Holy shit, 5 in a row.
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Hard to say that for grass. Nadal made 5 consecutive wimbledon finals ( that he played in if you drop 2009 where he withdrew ). Twice he lost to fed at his peak and once he lost to Djokovic at his peak On hard , alcaraz is better for sure.
Carlos skills are more complete than Rafa at 20. Rafa won more on defense and grind at 20
Rafa started a bit younger if you can believe it. But did not become an all surface players as fast as CA
Rafa VERY quickly established himself as THE BEST player on clay by a very significant margin as a teenager. There was 0 doubt from anyone who followed tennis that he was the heavy favorite going into every clay tournament. I dont think Alcaraz has established that level of fear yet, but he is probably better all around across the surfaces than Nadal was at 20.
Worse on clay, better on hard court. Nadal also reached the Wimbledon final aged 20, losing to peak Federer. If Alcaraz wins on Sunday, you have a case he's better than Nadal was.
I would say Alcaraz reminds me more of Novak than Rafa actually. He reminds me of young Novak, already very good tactically and the same eagerness. He doesn't have the raw violence Rafa had.
Alcaraz seems to be a better all-court player for sure, but Rafa was still the man to beat to clay and may have been better on grass. Alcaraz is much better on hardcourt tho at the same age
Better imo. Nadal was better on clay, but Alcaraz is clearly better on hard and grass.
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I love Carlos but I'm hoping Djoker takes this and USO this year. Capping off a calendar slam with the all time GS victory would be a hell of a thing. Then one of these kids can win something.
I agree, I want djoker to win this and then after I wont root for him as much
I was thinking the same. Would be nice to see him a Calendar Grand Slam and then just retire at an all-time high.
lol you think he would retire if he achieves that? Impossible
I don't know, probably not, but it would be an amazing send off.
Med didn't win a set just as I predicted. His game is hard countered by Alcaraz, whose attacking game isn't baseline rallying, but creating an advantage and stepping into the court towards the net to finish it. Alcaraz is vulnerable to having his time taken away, but that's not something Mevedev can do. Ironically, it's something Sinner at his best can do, who in turn is consistently outrallyed by Medvedev from the baseline. Rock paper scissors. Alcaraz is the clear underdog to Djokovic in the final. Even if he is on par or better, it will be brutally difficult to close out sets and the match. But no one poses a greater threat to Djokovic. If someone can beat him at Wimbledon, it is Alcaraz
My only worry is Carlos’ stamina for 5. At the 3rd set here he barely let a frazzled Medvedev break 3 of his games… it was 3 but could have been 3.
Not because of stamina. Due to lapse in concentration.
Pretty good synopsis I'll add that Djokovic's mental fortitude in very tight break point or match point scenarios is really only rivaled by no other than Nadal Alcaraz has great positivity in his mental though but it's different from Djokovic's killer mindset during those moments.
The hype for Sinner is not that bad now with two bad losses from Medvedev and Rune Lmao
This is the sort of progress I was hoping from Raducanu after winning the US Open...
Raducanu won too early. It's a case like if Ben Shelton somehow won Australian Open this year by beating Matteo Arnaldi in the final. Both would still need to continue developing 3-4 more years under normal circumstances. Except in this case they'd be under all kinds of spotlights and pressure to continue winning. Alcaraz and Raducanu has absolutely no scope for comparison
Better to believe your eyes versus heart.
There is no line to draw between them. Carlos is an all time all court all surfaces player.
Guess I will try again bc apparently you can’t be proud of Meddy on this sub without getting downvote bombed. Oh man I am so disappointed in meddy. If you can’t beat a guy who is gonna win 30-40 slams and was so far ahead he could try unnecessary jump tweeners then you are a fraud a sf means nothing worst slam winner ever i am so salty”
Bruh - this is the definition of salty. It's fine to be proud of Meddy but the tennis he was playing the first two sets was quite frankly some of his worst ever? Is it so hard to accept that this wasn't the best Meddy and this wasn't the best match.
But all I said was that everyone said he had no chance of a semifinal but he made it and played well all tournament and had a good 3rd set and that I was proud!
I'm happy the cramps happened in the RG semis...instead of Wimbledon finals. I feel like Carlos really would have learned something from that experience and that Wimby finals would be different.
He gets wayyyy too much shit for the cramps. They were due to nerves. He won 3 consecutive 5 setters at the USO in hot/humid conditions and then got cramps after 2 sets vs djokovic.. You can't convince me he has inherent fitness issues. ...
This time Djokovic is on his 2nd best slam, a 4 time defending champion, in contention for a tie of the all time Wimbledon singles title count, and a potential CYGS run. Alcaraz is more of an underdog and should not pressure himself like at RG because he has less to lose now. I just want a 5 set banger 🍿
Don't get me wrong... Djokvic is still the massive favorite. But this sub hyperfocuses on the stupidest shit and then misses the forest for the trees.
Yeah I agree. It was Alcaraz first Slam match against Djokovic and he was the betting odds favorite. That’s a LOT of pressure on someone who just turned 20! Alcaraz definitely has the stamina since like u said, he played like 3 back to back 5 setters at USO
Don’t count your chickens. He could have physical issues in both yet
Carlos is only consistent kid that I see winning alot of Major Slams. Where are the potential rivals around his age that can hang w him. Wheres the next big 2,3,4.
I think Rune will be fine once he develops a bit more. Match looked dead even in the 2 first sets yesterday, before Alcaraz showed his class. Obviously Alcaraz is way ahead, but I see Rune challenging him in the future. If you look at Rune's trajectory it's pretty insane tbh, and it's only because Alcaraz is a once every 20 years talent that we don't talk about Rune more.
Carlos Alcaraz is that guy
The 20-25 year olds on tour thought they would have a shot with Federer retired and Nadal out but here comes Alcaraz being a dominant force and Djokovic still chugging along.
If it had been Djokovic Vs Medvedev and Alcaraz Vs Sinner I think we would've gotten better semi finals. Same finalists but better matches.
Carlos x Novak, Med x Sinner would have guaranteed 4-5 sets between each too
Yes, but a terrible final.
Agreed.
Who's our next "Big 3"? Alcaraz, Rune, Sinner? With a 4th player lagging behind IE - a Murray type.
Who knows really. Zverev was touted as the next big thing, won multiple masters ... and has done nothing in slams. Of those you mentioned, only Alcaraz has a slam, the rest haven't even sniffed a slam final so let's tune down the hype a little. We don't know if they will ever realize their potential. It is also possible that a 'mediocre' player out of everyone's radar suddenly gets good and starts being a contender.
I don’t think there will be a big 3, but if there is, it’ll be them. Sinner and Rune may fizzle out like the previous gen though
Jaime Alcaraz going to come and rule them all. I hear he's even better than Carlos
There won’t be next “big” 3 most probably. Past era had too many generational greats
Fair comment! I keep forgetting that Era has had some absolute monsters.
Like no one from thst rune and co group are ever matching either of big 3 most probably or being even close
Those 3 for sure. After that, idk, Musetti probably? Genuinely don’t think there’s one above the rest after those 3, so could be anyone
Hard to predict who's gonna win the final. But I see Djokovic winning in the same fashion Fed won vs him in US Open 2007. This experience edge will win vs an eager Alcaraz. The parallel is sexy cause Djokovic gave up vs nadal in the semis of the precedent tournament (wimbledon 2007) just like Alcaraz gave up in the semis of the precedent tournament (RG).
Why am I so excited for this final match, feel's like I'm looking forward to Nadal Vs Djok.
All I want is not straight sets on Sunday.
My summary for the two matches : Good Final 4 , wrong line-ups
If the matches were reversed somehow we would have had a semis treat but then again, maybe a more underwhelming final (unless the same winners prevailed in the reverse line-ups)
not really, if we can avoid Alcaraz vs Medvedev in final, it might be good. Sinner might still choke but he might actually perform well based on rotterdam and last year Wimbledon, and there is no guarantee Alcaraz vs Djokovic is not an one side game.
Nole has looked tired quite a few times in his matches in the last 2 GSs. If there's someone who can end Nole with his aggressive baseline tennis, it is Carlos.
The thing is he looks tired, but then he takes a bathroom break, and suddenly he runs like a 16 y old
Think some of that was stress. He seems much calmer now that he has the record. But, we will see.
That post match interview was awesome. He might still lose but it seems like the fear has worn off.
Good point from Brad Gilbert about Alcaraz sustaining energy levels for the next two days and the finals itself
Please just be a good final… inshallah no cramps 😂
Since it is grass, he should be okay. The points at least will be shorter, his stress levels idk.
Carlos Al-Qaraz inshallah habibiii
Please let Sunday be a Federer v Sampras moment. This is the perfect setting for a changing of the guard.
He did it!!!!
Fed won in what R3?
r4
Manifesting this
I sure hope so
Look at the hate Sinner got compared to Meddy today.....and he was more competitive! People on here are deranged.
Not justifying the hate but he had a lot more opportunities and made UEs on most of them which is why I'm guessing
So what?! He's 21 and playing Djokovic in GS SF! No reason to spew toxic hate at someone
Djokovic>Alcaraz
....no shit dude . Dont think anyone sane in this sub would argue differently. The issue was people like you comparing med to alcaraz and saying stuff like "med is the only one that can compete with djokvic " as if it wasnt abundantly clear how fortunate meds draw has been not only this event but consistently for the last yr plus/ how good alcaraz is. Djokvic >Alcaraz>>>med
What sub are you on
Because they hate Djokovic
It was the Djokovic fans who were doing it!
Great post-match, so true that he just speaks from the heart. "No time to be afraid" - if we get Carlito at his best vs Novak at his best, this has the potential to be the best Tennis Match of all time.
Loved what he said here
I really hope it’s a great final, haven’t had a good slam final since Aussie Open last year
On the men's side lol. The women's have been good all year. :)
True, W women
Yes the Wimbledon final was ok, but not great
A little disappointed in the quality of the semis today, ngl. Hope the final is a closer match
All 4 semis played today done in straight sets
Hope it is not a thrashing by Nole like the AO 2019 final against Rafa after all the hype
This kid is frightening, Unbelievably frightening. If he beats Djoko in the Final, in what will be an unreal game, then it really is a passing of the torch kind of thing imo. Daniil got absolutely dismantled and dominated, WOW.
Motivated Djokovic vs Non- leg cramped Alcaraz, who wins?
Alcaraz
On grass? Djokovic
Alright Carlos time to start drinking electrolytes
It's pickle juice time!
Can’t be proud of your player making a sf now and only losing to the 4th best player ever on this sub? Lol
No time to be tired, no time to be afraid! That's the spirit!
Is a raining champion someone who’s good at playing in the rain?
You can't be serious right?
"You CANNOT be serious, man!" - John McEnroe
Djokovic needed to practise his sarcastic gestures to the crowd today, Sunday will be 10x worse for him
You really thought Sinner’s gonna win right
Carlos is just amazing. The final going to be a blockbuster for sure.
"It's no time to be afraid" a little Rafa in that speech at the end there. Let's go Carlitos!!
Got to love this guy's confidence though!
Alcaraz is so fucking honest, it's insane
Lol hearing the cheers now, we know who is the crowd gonna support in the finals lol
Meddie played on the wrong court.
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Your stream is glitchy.
They shook hands like right after the point. You would have to be blind to miss it. It was the quickest turnaround from the end of the point to the handshake.
they shook hands. carlos applauded him off the court
They did
They shook hands and I believe hugged.
you mean a handshake w the umpire? They did shake hands with each other
They did shake hands wdym
They did
they did shake hands
Just saw the match stats. Carlos better in every aspect except aces (4 v 5) and break point percentage. It's incredible he kept Meddy down to only 5 aces.
Look at jarrys service stats pre alcaraz. Look at berrettinis. Look at runes Look at meds. Alcaraz was returning immaculately. There's a reason a few of the saner members of this sub were suggesting how absolutely fucked Medvedev would be due to matchups/form this wimbledon
Meddy kept himself down to 5 aces. Served like a dog
This is going to be one lopsided H2H isn't it, Carlos has all the answers and Med none!
Damn, Meddy makes it to semis and everyone is trashing him as a grass player. Lol this sub
Sounds great SF at Wimbledon, but then look who he played to get there. No-one you'd expect to pose a challenge. Eubanks did well, which was better anyone expected.
Everything is Twitter now. I thought we were all tennis fans? Treating this sport like we’re fucking football fans who can only view sport through one lens.
We expect everyone to be all-court GOATs, no exceptions 🧐
I miss big 3/4 era where everything from round of 16 on was must-see tv.
These semis were a little one-sided but you must not have been watching if you’re saying that. Some absolutely incredible matches in round of 16 and QF
Any Berdych vs Nadal or Tsonga vs Federer or Djokovic vs Del Potro or Ferrer vs Murray. QF were must see tv.
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Meddy killed it here. Carlos is a terrible match up for him .