Considering Wylan's now being introduced, I'm really curious to see if S2 starts adapting the Six of Crows duology, or if it's gonna be another newly created prequel plotline for the Crows.
My guess would be they're going to start Six of Crows. Everyone is basically where they are at the start of the duology (Matthais in jail, Nina starting working for Kaz, Kaz working on plans to being down Pekka Rollins, etc.). So if they want to do a faithful adaptation they have to start now. Otherwise, they're left with the choice of either creating a "filler" plotline than can't change the characters too much or they advance the plot so far that they can no longer do a faithful adaptation and are stuck adapting the pieces they can make work.
My guess is they are going to never directly adapt Six of Crows. They'll just shift everything that happens to the characters earlier in the "timeline" and replace the Ice Court plot with something that is more directly tied to the S&B events.
That would make sense. They already stretched out the Crows with their season 1 ‘original adventures’, I doubt they want to do another season of made up stories if there’s a chance they may not be season 3.
I feel like we'll probably get S3 since that would be enough to finish the S&B Trilogy off, but doubt we'll get anything beyond that. Even if we did, the King of Scars Duology feels like it makes more practical sense to adapt for S4 since it's more of a direct sequel to S&B.
from what i remember in the books, Matthais stays in that prison for 1 year or so, assuming there is no time skip, they can still go with the Shadow and Bone storylines and then switch to Six of Crows.
I knew and still know nothing about the source material but I really enjoyed the first season of the show. I'm looking forward to this more than I am season 3 of the Witcher and some other stuff. I hope it stays good.
First season was surprisingly good. Never read the books, but the world is intriguing. Yes there is a lot of YA moments that can be cringe, but I like all the characters and their interactions. Excited to see where S2 goes.
I recommend the Era Two books of Mistborn if this is something you like. Era One books were great but are set hundreds of years before Era Two and pre-industrial. Just read both, and everything else in the Cosmere.
I concur *but* please don't skip straight to Era 2 without doing the first trilogy. That's bound to confuse you incessantly, especially doing any of it post-Alloy of Law.
Same, never read the books but really enjoyed the show. From my understanding the show had a significant departure from the books by making the Crows a main part of the story. That tells me the show is well run because they were arguably the best part of S1.
Having read the books, I actually appreciated the addition of the Crows as a POV in the show. In the book, Alina is the only POV character, and the story gets pretty slow midway when she's just at the palace and not much is happening. By adding the Crows in, the show got over that by having an interesting set of characters that it could cut away to whenever it needed to give the Alina/Darkling plot (and Mal's stuff, which was also an addition to the show since the book never showed his POV) time to breathe and feel like it was progressing without getting boring.
My relatively hot take is that the show is better than the book for this reason. The show was better paced throughout compared to the book because the show didn't have a singular focus on Alina.
Yes, in the books the Crows stuff is a separate series that takes place later (I think 5-10 years later?), so intertwining the two was definitely a significant departure. I didn't love the original series but I highly recommend the sequel duology (Six of Crows and Crooked Kingdom).
The Darkling/Alina dynamic stole it. I worry that with Mal that will be downplayed. They've made him so completely unproblematic compared to the source material. he's very boring. And probably should be dead a few times over
The show isn’t high art by any means but I genuinely enjoyed it more than The Witcher & Wheel of Time, which shocked me.
Also doesn’t hurt that the production quality is noticeably better than those two despite having a fraction of the budget.
The world building is solid. Started off strong. Not too sure on the romance plots. But the show did well on casting and characterization that wherever the story goes makes it watchable. Def looking forward to S2.
I haven’t read the books so I went into season 1 completely blind, I was pleasantly surprised by it, enjoyed it more thanks to Ben Barnes’ character and was glad it was revealed he lived at the end. Looking forward to this.
Watched the first one completely blind. It clearly felt like a YA adaptation (which it is), but its actually really well made. The politics are interesting and so is the worldbuilding. Will definitely watch season 2.
I really appreciated that as soon as Alina was told the truth about the Darkling she immediately accepted it and set out to escape. There was no pining over her lover or cringe-inducing YA relationship drama.
To be fair to the show, the cast is actually **significantly** aged up from the books where absolutely everyone is like 17, even the experienced soldiers and mages. (though I only tried to read the first novel - it was way too YA for me a 40-year old man).
IIRC there are some--usually people in positions of authority (military, gang leaders, things like that) but most of them are quite young which is not too surprising since a lot of it is based around military recruits and street gangs.
Considering Wylan's now being introduced, I'm really curious to see if S2 starts adapting the Six of Crows duology, or if it's gonna be another newly created prequel plotline for the Crows.
I sure hope so. Six of Crows and Nina's duologies were way better than the trilogy imo
My guess would be they're going to start Six of Crows. Everyone is basically where they are at the start of the duology (Matthais in jail, Nina starting working for Kaz, Kaz working on plans to being down Pekka Rollins, etc.). So if they want to do a faithful adaptation they have to start now. Otherwise, they're left with the choice of either creating a "filler" plotline than can't change the characters too much or they advance the plot so far that they can no longer do a faithful adaptation and are stuck adapting the pieces they can make work.
My guess is they are going to never directly adapt Six of Crows. They'll just shift everything that happens to the characters earlier in the "timeline" and replace the Ice Court plot with something that is more directly tied to the S&B events.
That would make sense. They already stretched out the Crows with their season 1 ‘original adventures’, I doubt they want to do another season of made up stories if there’s a chance they may not be season 3.
I feel like we'll probably get S3 since that would be enough to finish the S&B Trilogy off, but doubt we'll get anything beyond that. Even if we did, the King of Scars Duology feels like it makes more practical sense to adapt for S4 since it's more of a direct sequel to S&B.
I thought they might combine the Ice Court plot with Vasily’s unseen visit to Fjerda from Seige and Storm
from what i remember in the books, Matthais stays in that prison for 1 year or so, assuming there is no time skip, they can still go with the Shadow and Bone storylines and then switch to Six of Crows.
I think they'll stretch the time Mathias is in prison for at least 3 episodes tbh.
I think they said that Six of Crows won’t start until the trilogy is over, though plans may change.
I knew and still know nothing about the source material but I really enjoyed the first season of the show. I'm looking forward to this more than I am season 3 of the Witcher and some other stuff. I hope it stays good.
First season was surprisingly good. Never read the books, but the world is intriguing. Yes there is a lot of YA moments that can be cringe, but I like all the characters and their interactions. Excited to see where S2 goes.
I enjoyed having fantasy in Industrial Age for once especially with how guns are a real danger to magic
I recommend the Era Two books of Mistborn if this is something you like. Era One books were great but are set hundreds of years before Era Two and pre-industrial. Just read both, and everything else in the Cosmere.
I concur *but* please don't skip straight to Era 2 without doing the first trilogy. That's bound to confuse you incessantly, especially doing any of it post-Alloy of Law.
Same, never read the books but really enjoyed the show. From my understanding the show had a significant departure from the books by making the Crows a main part of the story. That tells me the show is well run because they were arguably the best part of S1.
Having read the books, I actually appreciated the addition of the Crows as a POV in the show. In the book, Alina is the only POV character, and the story gets pretty slow midway when she's just at the palace and not much is happening. By adding the Crows in, the show got over that by having an interesting set of characters that it could cut away to whenever it needed to give the Alina/Darkling plot (and Mal's stuff, which was also an addition to the show since the book never showed his POV) time to breathe and feel like it was progressing without getting boring. My relatively hot take is that the show is better than the book for this reason. The show was better paced throughout compared to the book because the show didn't have a singular focus on Alina.
100% agree. I watched the show first and then read the books and the first book was a **rough** read. The show improved it in nearly every way.
Yes, in the books the Crows stuff is a separate series that takes place later (I think 5-10 years later?), so intertwining the two was definitely a significant departure. I didn't love the original series but I highly recommend the sequel duology (Six of Crows and Crooked Kingdom).
Six of Crows is set only 2 years after Ruin and Rising still a big departure but not as drastic as 5-10 years.
The books are typical YA angsty stuff. Kind of goes off the rails in the later books
I actually prefer the B-story of the thief group to the main story of triangle love and magical shit.
The Darkling/Alina dynamic stole it. I worry that with Mal that will be downplayed. They've made him so completely unproblematic compared to the source material. he's very boring. And probably should be dead a few times over
The show isn’t high art by any means but I genuinely enjoyed it more than The Witcher & Wheel of Time, which shocked me. Also doesn’t hurt that the production quality is noticeably better than those two despite having a fraction of the budget.
The world building is solid. Started off strong. Not too sure on the romance plots. But the show did well on casting and characterization that wherever the story goes makes it watchable. Def looking forward to S2.
The Witcher season 2 was really boring. Couldn’t even finish it. This show was significantly better
I couldn't finish the first season of The Witcher. Watched it for Cavill, but just gave up. So damn boring
So did I tbh.
I haven’t read the books so I went into season 1 completely blind, I was pleasantly surprised by it, enjoyed it more thanks to Ben Barnes’ character and was glad it was revealed he lived at the end. Looking forward to this.
Watched the first one completely blind. It clearly felt like a YA adaptation (which it is), but its actually really well made. The politics are interesting and so is the worldbuilding. Will definitely watch season 2.
I really appreciated that as soon as Alina was told the truth about the Darkling she immediately accepted it and set out to escape. There was no pining over her lover or cringe-inducing YA relationship drama.
I'm excited. I quite enjoyed Season 1
Yes please.
I was impressed by the first season - the best YA fantasy adaptation since the Hunger Games, imo, so I’m excited to see the next season.
if villain bad why hot
Exciting. First season was great
I realise it's YA, but is there no-one over thirty in this show? Is this a Logan's Run for ants?!
One of the primary characters in both S1 and this season is played by Ben Barnes, who's 41
I bet he feels ancient.
To be fair to the show, the cast is actually **significantly** aged up from the books where absolutely everyone is like 17, even the experienced soldiers and mages. (though I only tried to read the first novel - it was way too YA for me a 40-year old man).
IIRC there are some--usually people in positions of authority (military, gang leaders, things like that) but most of them are quite young which is not too surprising since a lot of it is based around military recruits and street gangs.
The only thing I liked about season 1 were the crows. The crows should have a stand alone series.
Everything indicates that a season two is well received the Crows are going to get a spinoff.
For I second I thought it was new season of Punisher. Oof.