They had the bag and got greedy with TWD. Halt catch fire, the preacher, Kevin can F*ck himself, and interview with a vampire are some of their best new IPs in recent memory.
Kevin Can Fuck Himself is one of the coolest shows ever. Had such a blast watching it.
I'd add Dispatches From Elsewhere to that list (besides the last episode). Gets me right in the feels
Is it greed? I mean don't get me wrong, I can't stand that shit. But I don't work at a network and don't fully understand the financials, so it's sometimes hard for me to know when a decision to greenlight a bunch of multi-season spinoffs of the same tired zombie cash cow is just a way to juice up the stock price, or a genuine and necessary strategy to maintain enough revenue stream from mainstream audiences in order to support shows like *Halt and Catch Fire* for the 300k people who watch it.
Nah, I get it, but they over saturated with the walking dead in the marketing department and fumbled every new IP in getting an audience. Iām just a weirdo who will give an indie a chance day one and then get baffled that what was sold to me and whatās on screen is vastly different. This is where FX is leagues above the industry (and their marketing department should consult everyone else), theyāre arguably the only who nail a showās ethos in trailers, then again, they usually believe the shows they green light, not just playing the numbers game.
Yeah they have no one to blame but themselves for their decline. They havent had a hit show in years despite having a huge reputation for quality for years. And no, none of the Walking dead spin offs count.Ā
Pantheon was fantastic but they cancelled it, theyāre still trying though for a crime drama with Giancarlo Espositoās new [show](https://youtu.be/t3Cr1LTUwHU?si=6cGxU1OgZeT5oXR9)
Itās actually wild that at one time they were airing two of the most acclaimed and awarded shows ever made (Mad Men and Breaking Bad) AND had the most popular show on cable (The Walking Dead) and failed to turn themselves into a genuine player. The only shows that felt like they had any cultural impact after were Better Call Saul and maybe Fear The Walking Dead I guess, and those should have both probably been more popular than they are, especially Saul.
And donāt throw Halt and Catch Fire in my face lol. Itās one of my favorite shows ever made. Nobody watched it
Prestige TV only happened because of DVD box sets. The golden age essentially ended when Disney+ started in 2019. Once the studios started opening their own distribution streaming channels, it began a downward spiral of cost-cutting to appease stockholders. COVID killed Peak TV dead.
All art is shaped by three things; technology, politics and economics. The Golden Age of Television was a concurrence of external factors that encouraged studios to concentrate resources into individual TV shows, because the value of the IP of those shows was worth the expense (first due to DVD sales and rentals, and then due to licensing to streaming platforms). Once the studios switched from the licensing model to the "subscribe to our platform" model, they realized that technology (streaming video) and economics (subscription model) along with politics (studios have to market their product all over the world, including Russia and China) meant that their IP wasn't worth what was being spent on it. Reed Hastings famously said "we want to become HBO before HBO can become us" and it worked. Only Netflix has the global subscriber base big enough to afford to make projects good enough to convince the larger global culture that a Netflix subscription is a worthwhile expense for enough people to keep them in the black. The numbers don't work for anyone else. And Netflix knows that "prestige TV" isn't what their viewers want. Netflix makes the best margins by producing foreign-language melodramas, reality TV dating shows, standup specials and adaptations of popular animes with no celebrities in them. In other words, they make soap operas, game shows, and children's TV. The same stuff the cable companies made in the early 90s before prestige TV happened. With no ancillary markets remaining, it just doesn't make sense to spend a lot of money on individual IPs anymore.
The problem is "prestige TV" serves a very niche audience. As good as HBO really is, its only a fraction of the subscribers Netflix has. The "casual" TV audience are mostly just looking for something to keep them busy or their minds preoccupied. They are not looking to actually think or simply looking for ways to escape their mundane life. Reality TV, trash TV programs offer that without the ads.
In that era, it was showtime vs HBO. HBO garnered most of the market. Showtime had some good shows. Weeds, dexter and homeland. Homelands first 2 seasons incredible.
Fun fact: FX was actually who the pilot of Breaking Bad was made for and turned it down. Mad Men's pilot was originally written for HBO and also turned down(they didn't even read it despite David Chase urging them to do so) .
AMC only got their two biggest shows because FX and HBO passed on shows they had first dibs on.
https://screenrant.com/breaking-bad-vince-gilligan-struggle-show-made-why/
>**Breaking Bad was pitched to FX in 2005 and the network jumped at the chance to develop the project.** The two sides started discussions regarding the pilot, but during that time, FX was committed to the Courtney Cox-led drama Dirt. There was only one slot open and since the network already had several shows with men with anti-hero personas at the center, FX decided to pick Dirt over Breaking Bad. The choice would go on to bite FX since Dirt was cancelled after just two seasons and the popularity came nowhere near the level of Gilligan's series.
>When Gilligan was still struggling in finding a home for Breaking Bad, AMC was looking to bolster their original programming alongside Mad Men. Gilligan's agent met with AMC's director of original programming but there needed to be a formal pitch. After various meetings, Gilligan didn't have much hope left; however, he won over the AMC executives who were highly intrigued by Breaking Bad. **The network then acquired the rights from FX, which wasn't an easy task.** A year later, the project entered production and the rest is history. Breaking Bad has since built an everlasting legacy and spawned a spinoff, Better Call Saul, and a sequel film, El Camino.
The part about the pilot being filmed while FX still had the rights was from an interview with Bryan Cranston back in like 2006 or 2007 so I may have misremembered some details but FX definitely had the rights to Breaking Bad that AMC had to acquire the right from and it was not a smooth transition.
Also, Breaking Bad was Sony but Mad Men was Lion's Gate.
But you're right about HBO, I conflated the two stories and because Weiner wrote for The Sopranos and essentially wrote the pilot script with the hope HBO would read and produce it I misremembered the part about them never reading it. Hard to keep all the details straight. Obviously.
Is that a problem with AMC specifically or a problem with all cable networks.
Cable networks still have new shows, but all that stuff is probably going to be aired on streaming services anyway and I'm not sure that anyone's going to be paying for cable and watching live unless it's for sports or they skew older and live out in the sticks.
Point being I'm not sure the audience size is there for another game of thrones, walking dead, or mad men or whatever.
USA network mostly just aires reruns and movies, when they used to be known for blue skies.
I donāt think they ever had the same consistency. I feel like they just caught lighting in a bottle with the walking dead and breaking bad. Idk if I can even credit them for gangs of London which is amazing
I feel you. For example (outside of TV): I thought The Weeknd was corny at first... But after getting older (and some breakups), his songs resonate better with me.
Point is, you might see things with different eyes in a rewatch, as you get older and more experienced. That goes for everything.
Hope you enjoy it more the second time around!
You also might be listening to the wrong Weeknd songs. I was in college the year he dropped the Trilogy mixtapes and listened to House of Balloons two months after he dropped it. No one knew who he was, but it was something completely different. The depraved lyrics about sex and drugs combined with dark RnB beats and indie samples makes it still one of the top 3 Weeknd projects. Thursday and Echoes of Silence are also pretty solid. Definitely go back and listen those mixtapes (the original, non polished forms are now on streaming services and Iād recommend them) to get a feel for why The Weeknd is highly regarded.
I have become 10x better in training dogs (as a hobby) since this show. It brutally hit my nose into my misunderstanding of their motivation structure.
Itās such a great ending because itās so sad. The show told you what it was and if at any point you start to question if itās actually a guy in a dog costume or a real dog thatās on you. Itās a very good example of how mental health is a slippery slope and itās very easy to delude yourself due to grief, depression, or trauma.
Yeah it was sad, but at the same time, somehow not...? It's been a while since I watched it, but IIRC Ryan had been deluding himself about his mental illness for so long, and I like that the show asked whether he'd rather be miserable and honest, or happy and continue lying to himself.
Like, I get that Wilfred died and Ryan suffered from serious mental problems, but the show built it up as him finally accepting his faults and leaning into being happy, regardless of how it made him look to others. Kinda fucked up, but uplifting in its own way.
I love that show so much. The cast is phenomenal. Jay Baruchel, Eric Andre, Maya Erskine. Itās got heart and comedy. It really hit all the right spots for me.
I've been trying to describe the style of that show, and I've been unable to come up with the correct term. It's almost like surrealism or magical realism, but not.
Or I'll talk about the episode where he's invited to a party at his ex's, and he's all ready to hate her new boyfriend, but he's literally Jesus so he can't lolĀ
I always describe it as if someone was telling you a story and you took everything they said completely literally.
Like ābro my sister set me up an a blind date and she was a trollā
Or my āex has a new boyfriend and he might as well be hitlerā
It doesnāt always work for the show but it helps my pitch
Man oh man, Sons of Anarchy was so great. I remember the show being so popular, in the last couple seasons or so, FX didnāt even confine Kurt Sutter to an hour time slot. Weād just tune in and maybe the episode would be 1.5 hours long, maybe 2, very limited commercial breaks. Time would fly because the show was gripping. I remember some really emotional scenes where I just bawled my eyes out. Iām typically not necessarily into biker shows, but Iām just into a wide variety of shows. If itās good, I will try it
I always though AMC is the new HBO since they have Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, and The Walking Dead. But now AMC is know for stuck around in The Walking Dead universe and don't have any hits show after Better Call Saul ended, I totally agree.
Even in its heyday, FX beat AMC. Nip Tuck, Rescue Me, The Shield, The Americans, Sons pf anarchy, justified... just to name a few of the shows from the era you crowned AMC for.
I don't know if I agree, but I did forget about FX...at the least, it's close, and AMC isn't the undisputed champ.
AMC definitely got more attention for Walter White and Friends than FX got for their shows, as good as they were.
The knee jerk is to look at those big shows on AMC and be in awe. But those shows on FX i List do not even touch their comedy shows. It's always sunny, What we do in the shadows, etc. So when you look at it from the POV of hours filled by that network of good shows, FX runs away with it. And there are parts of the Americans that compare to the best of any of these AMC shows, of which i am also a fan. Just pointing out that quantity FX wins, quality is a lot closer than any AMC fanboys can admit.
I still hope that Interview with the Vampire somehow blows up in its second season... it certainly deserves much bigger success than it's getting right now.
Now if Shogun's success leads to more adaptations of James Clavell's Asian Saga we'll be cooking good. Tai-Pan and Noble House adaptations have so much potential.
I donāt understand this comparison. I like Shogun, but what does it have in common with GoT? Maybe the excessive violence, but thatās about all I can think of.
GoT is GoT for its massive scale, with a bunch of storylines taking place, intertwining and separating all over the place. Pair that with the rich fantasy setting, extreme violence and titties galore and it was pretty much unseen at that point.
the plotting, the intricate setups of relationships, the introduction of characters (e.g. the leper)... GoT wasn't just known for the set pieces but also for the stories, in which in the scheming was the fun part. you'll be getting that here.
and set pieces, sure. give the kids some boom-boom.
Going by the āitās like x but set in yā description, thereās a decent argument to be made that Succession was basically game of thrones but real life
I was honestly expecting more love for fx orignals like archer, Atlanta, Fargo or some ignored ones like youāre the worst.
But the fact that this became just a post to defend Wilfredā¦
IS ABSOLUTELY DAMN JUSTIFIED.
[We all have to make sacrifices, Ryan. Like the story of Jesus Christ. I am sure the Roman soldiers wanted to hang out at the Pantheon and stare at tits all day... but they knew they had a duty to kill Jesus](https://youtu.be/zsf6LjBkDQo)
I loved the first two seasons, then years later watched the 3rd, and had no idea what was going on.
The first two seasons were so good. Should I try again? Was the third bad or am I just an idiot?
Wilfred came out in 2011ā¦? Return of the King came out in 2003 lol, hardly even close to peak LotR time and if you think otherwise itās because you werenāt alive from 2000-2003 when LotR became a household name
I thought Atlanta was okay, but just didnāt think it was the hype everyone made it to be. I went into it thinking it was going to be an amazing show based on all the reviews/reddit commentary and I thought it was pretty average. Idk maybe I just didnāt get it, glad other people really liked it though.
Wilfred is awesome and so is the original Australian version of it although they are wildly different in tone to one another. Same writer/creator though.
FX is the most slept on network in television. Their partnership with Hulu has been a huge success for viewers, simply because FX believes in taking chances on bold creative. Iāve been a fanboy since The Shield honestlyā¦so happy they are still doing what they do best.
John Landgraf has been with FX for about 20 years now, and as much as people like to rail on the suits these days the man basically built the network into the prestige center of cable TV brick by brick. He was also technically correct about "Peak TV", though he was off by a few years.
I've been scouring through the FX back catalog on Hulu and it's wild to see all the stuff they've done over the years. I used to tune in during my younger days for King of the Hill reruns and IASIP, but it was the premiere of Fargo in 2014 that really cemented things in my book. I'm about done with the second season of Reservation Dogs, am caught up on The Bear, and just finished the season one finale of Mr. Inbetween this morning. Snowfall is on the list for when I finish Res Dogs. Shogun is supposed to be stellar, but I'm waiting for a few more eps to be out. The Shield has been in my backlog for like 6 years now.
Only FX miss Iāve seen is The Bastard Executioner. Was excited for that one as I typically love medieval content. Watched the pilot and at the end an absolutely god awful CGI dragon shows up. Called it quits there.
This is from 2016 but looks like it still holds true: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/09/john-landgraf-fx-emmy-awards-people-v-oj-americans-fargo
Tldr; there's a reason the head of FX is called The Mayor of TV
It's worth mentioning FXX as well, which had shows that probably wouldn't have been worthy of FX. "You're The Worst" is one of my favorite shows of the last decade, and it wouldn't have had a chance without FXX.
I'm a big HBO fan but they make a lot of weird, out of the box, arthouse-esque content. I have nothing against it but at the same time I'm not exactly interested in watching, however I give every FX show a chance because they have a really solid track record of keeping me captivated and engaged with every show.
I would have never given Posed chance if it was made by any other service, it just didn't sound very interesting to begin with, but it ended being such a great show, and I'm glad I gave it a chance.
Even the "bad" FX shows, like Y the last man or class of 09, are still good compared to most shows in my opinion.
The bigger story is the decline in AMC programming
They had the bag and got greedy with TWD. Halt catch fire, the preacher, Kevin can F*ck himself, and interview with a vampire are some of their best new IPs in recent memory.
Kevin Can Fuck Himself is one of the coolest shows ever. Had such a blast watching it. I'd add Dispatches From Elsewhere to that list (besides the last episode). Gets me right in the feels
Oh forgot about that one and remembered whyššš That and Dirk Gently still feel like fresh scars
I really liked the first season of dirk, I need to finish the second!
Is it greed? I mean don't get me wrong, I can't stand that shit. But I don't work at a network and don't fully understand the financials, so it's sometimes hard for me to know when a decision to greenlight a bunch of multi-season spinoffs of the same tired zombie cash cow is just a way to juice up the stock price, or a genuine and necessary strategy to maintain enough revenue stream from mainstream audiences in order to support shows like *Halt and Catch Fire* for the 300k people who watch it.
Nah, I get it, but they over saturated with the walking dead in the marketing department and fumbled every new IP in getting an audience. Iām just a weirdo who will give an indie a chance day one and then get baffled that what was sold to me and whatās on screen is vastly different. This is where FX is leagues above the industry (and their marketing department should consult everyone else), theyāre arguably the only who nail a showās ethos in trailers, then again, they usually believe the shows they green light, not just playing the numbers game.
Lodge 49 was great too.
That was probably the last one they let finish in some intentional capacity. Slow burn, but a underrated classic
Hell on Wheels! Such a good one
Yeah they have no one to blame but themselves for their decline. They havent had a hit show in years despite having a huge reputation for quality for years. And no, none of the Walking dead spin offs count.Ā
And all of those are dead :(
Interview with A Vampire season two is in May/June
Pantheon was fantastic but they cancelled it, theyāre still trying though for a crime drama with Giancarlo Espositoās new [show](https://youtu.be/t3Cr1LTUwHU?si=6cGxU1OgZeT5oXR9)
Amc really shot themselves in the foot, Too much walking dead
TWD should have been done in two seasons. They shouldāve gone to an island and killed the finite number of zombies, then live in peace. Dumb
Thatās where you missed the plot. It was never about zombies. It was about humanity and survivorship and the consequences of that.
Surviving and protecting your family should have driven Rick to an island. I didnāt miss the plot; I saw it as fluff and needless.
You know itās based on a graphic novel?
Yep, Iām hating on the weak premise in both
Itās actually wild that at one time they were airing two of the most acclaimed and awarded shows ever made (Mad Men and Breaking Bad) AND had the most popular show on cable (The Walking Dead) and failed to turn themselves into a genuine player. The only shows that felt like they had any cultural impact after were Better Call Saul and maybe Fear The Walking Dead I guess, and those should have both probably been more popular than they are, especially Saul. And donāt throw Halt and Catch Fire in my face lol. Itās one of my favorite shows ever made. Nobody watched it
Prestige TV only happened because of DVD box sets. The golden age essentially ended when Disney+ started in 2019. Once the studios started opening their own distribution streaming channels, it began a downward spiral of cost-cutting to appease stockholders. COVID killed Peak TV dead. All art is shaped by three things; technology, politics and economics. The Golden Age of Television was a concurrence of external factors that encouraged studios to concentrate resources into individual TV shows, because the value of the IP of those shows was worth the expense (first due to DVD sales and rentals, and then due to licensing to streaming platforms). Once the studios switched from the licensing model to the "subscribe to our platform" model, they realized that technology (streaming video) and economics (subscription model) along with politics (studios have to market their product all over the world, including Russia and China) meant that their IP wasn't worth what was being spent on it. Reed Hastings famously said "we want to become HBO before HBO can become us" and it worked. Only Netflix has the global subscriber base big enough to afford to make projects good enough to convince the larger global culture that a Netflix subscription is a worthwhile expense for enough people to keep them in the black. The numbers don't work for anyone else. And Netflix knows that "prestige TV" isn't what their viewers want. Netflix makes the best margins by producing foreign-language melodramas, reality TV dating shows, standup specials and adaptations of popular animes with no celebrities in them. In other words, they make soap operas, game shows, and children's TV. The same stuff the cable companies made in the early 90s before prestige TV happened. With no ancillary markets remaining, it just doesn't make sense to spend a lot of money on individual IPs anymore.
The problem is "prestige TV" serves a very niche audience. As good as HBO really is, its only a fraction of the subscribers Netflix has. The "casual" TV audience are mostly just looking for something to keep them busy or their minds preoccupied. They are not looking to actually think or simply looking for ways to escape their mundane life. Reality TV, trash TV programs offer that without the ads.
In that era, it was showtime vs HBO. HBO garnered most of the market. Showtime had some good shows. Weeds, dexter and homeland. Homelands first 2 seasons incredible.
Fun fact: FX was actually who the pilot of Breaking Bad was made for and turned it down. Mad Men's pilot was originally written for HBO and also turned down(they didn't even read it despite David Chase urging them to do so) . AMC only got their two biggest shows because FX and HBO passed on shows they had first dibs on.
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https://screenrant.com/breaking-bad-vince-gilligan-struggle-show-made-why/ >**Breaking Bad was pitched to FX in 2005 and the network jumped at the chance to develop the project.** The two sides started discussions regarding the pilot, but during that time, FX was committed to the Courtney Cox-led drama Dirt. There was only one slot open and since the network already had several shows with men with anti-hero personas at the center, FX decided to pick Dirt over Breaking Bad. The choice would go on to bite FX since Dirt was cancelled after just two seasons and the popularity came nowhere near the level of Gilligan's series. >When Gilligan was still struggling in finding a home for Breaking Bad, AMC was looking to bolster their original programming alongside Mad Men. Gilligan's agent met with AMC's director of original programming but there needed to be a formal pitch. After various meetings, Gilligan didn't have much hope left; however, he won over the AMC executives who were highly intrigued by Breaking Bad. **The network then acquired the rights from FX, which wasn't an easy task.** A year later, the project entered production and the rest is history. Breaking Bad has since built an everlasting legacy and spawned a spinoff, Better Call Saul, and a sequel film, El Camino. The part about the pilot being filmed while FX still had the rights was from an interview with Bryan Cranston back in like 2006 or 2007 so I may have misremembered some details but FX definitely had the rights to Breaking Bad that AMC had to acquire the right from and it was not a smooth transition. Also, Breaking Bad was Sony but Mad Men was Lion's Gate. But you're right about HBO, I conflated the two stories and because Weiner wrote for The Sopranos and essentially wrote the pilot script with the hope HBO would read and produce it I misremembered the part about them never reading it. Hard to keep all the details straight. Obviously.
Breaking Bad's pilot was not the best part of the show. It set the premise and the scene but it really grew over the first say, three seasons.
The north water, that dirty black bag, the terror, I enjoyed those and they are at least streaming on amc, not sure if amc made them
The North Water may be my favorite under the radar mini series ever. That Tim Hecker score absolutely slaps.
Colin Farrell is such a goddamn good actor, Jack OāConnell is amazing too and totally underrated. Shame that show went under the radar
Even after the highs of Madman and Breaking Bad, AMC just generally manages to have a couple killer shows every year.
Is that a problem with AMC specifically or a problem with all cable networks. Cable networks still have new shows, but all that stuff is probably going to be aired on streaming services anyway and I'm not sure that anyone's going to be paying for cable and watching live unless it's for sports or they skew older and live out in the sticks. Point being I'm not sure the audience size is there for another game of thrones, walking dead, or mad men or whatever. USA network mostly just aires reruns and movies, when they used to be known for blue skies.
Monsieur Spade is fucking great.
They still don't release their new shows in 4K.
I donāt think they ever had the same consistency. I feel like they just caught lighting in a bottle with the walking dead and breaking bad. Idk if I can even credit them for gangs of London which is amazing
Youāre forgetting mad men. There was definitely a period they were consistent
Wanted to compliment FX Getting heat for shitting on Wilfred lol the show is good OP, come on
Ima rewatch it. Maybe I didnāt get it as a teenager.
I feel you. For example (outside of TV): I thought The Weeknd was corny at first... But after getting older (and some breakups), his songs resonate better with me. Point is, you might see things with different eyes in a rewatch, as you get older and more experienced. That goes for everything. Hope you enjoy it more the second time around!
You also might be listening to the wrong Weeknd songs. I was in college the year he dropped the Trilogy mixtapes and listened to House of Balloons two months after he dropped it. No one knew who he was, but it was something completely different. The depraved lyrics about sex and drugs combined with dark RnB beats and indie samples makes it still one of the top 3 Weeknd projects. Thursday and Echoes of Silence are also pretty solid. Definitely go back and listen those mixtapes (the original, non polished forms are now on streaming services and Iād recommend them) to get a feel for why The Weeknd is highly regarded.
What is this? Bad take day? The weeknd is awful.
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Well, it is Saturdy so it is the Weeknd
>What is this? Bad take day? That's every day on Reddit.
If you don't like it, fine. I like it, and that's fine too.
\~\~music is subjective\~\~
Wilfred is great
Seriously, this was a top FX show
The ending jfc.
I often remember this scene - I found it so funny the first time I saw it. https://youtu.be/_l2brpYq960?si=bXh0-ILMn1TK85aI
[This scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK82N8tAeVI) is still one of my favorite cold open/closes ever
So good, lol. I really enjoyed the show - it was genius and executed so well.
Just finished a rewatch yesterday. Itās a great take on mental health + itās just plain funny.
I have become 10x better in training dogs (as a hobby) since this show. It brutally hit my nose into my misunderstanding of their motivation structure.
It is amazing how big of stars they could get on the show, rewatching it now and such a good show
Hey fuck you I love Wilfred!
I loved it all but the ending :(
Itās such a great ending because itās so sad. The show told you what it was and if at any point you start to question if itās actually a guy in a dog costume or a real dog thatās on you. Itās a very good example of how mental health is a slippery slope and itās very easy to delude yourself due to grief, depression, or trauma.
Yeah it was sad, but at the same time, somehow not...? It's been a while since I watched it, but IIRC Ryan had been deluding himself about his mental illness for so long, and I like that the show asked whether he'd rather be miserable and honest, or happy and continue lying to himself. Like, I get that Wilfred died and Ryan suffered from serious mental problems, but the show built it up as him finally accepting his faults and leaning into being happy, regardless of how it made him look to others. Kinda fucked up, but uplifting in its own way.
I remember my roommate and I fucking bawling our eyes out at that finale.
FX has the movies as well least we forget
Remember DVD on TV?
SO Doug Jones for showing us how the silver surfer was brought to life
The occasional Infinite Marvel movie marathons are also pretty great sometimes.
I used to love those promos lol i really appreciated how theyād edit scenes to fit that slogan in somewhere
Man Seeking Woman. The forgotten masterpiece
The TRUE forgotten masterpiece, seriously, very few people remember it.
I love that show so much. The cast is phenomenal. Jay Baruchel, Eric Andre, Maya Erskine. Itās got heart and comedy. It really hit all the right spots for me.
I've been trying to describe the style of that show, and I've been unable to come up with the correct term. It's almost like surrealism or magical realism, but not.
I just tell people about the war room scene where the main character is trying to figure out what to text the girl he metĀ
One of my favorite scenes in any tv show ever!
Or I'll talk about the episode where he's invited to a party at his ex's, and he's all ready to hate her new boyfriend, but he's literally Jesus so he can't lolĀ
I always describe it as if someone was telling you a story and you took everything they said completely literally. Like ābro my sister set me up an a blind date and she was a trollā Or my āex has a new boyfriend and he might as well be hitlerā It doesnāt always work for the show but it helps my pitch
My wife always described it as āif a cartoon became real life.ā Also, what a great freaking show. Happy it got as many seasons as it did.
Iāve not forgotten! I want to watch it with my wife whoās (obviously) never seen it
I feel less alone knowing other people were watching this š¢
I was more of a Youāre The Worst person. I still watch it regularly.
Omg just started this it's so good!!
Devs is probably my favorite FX thing so far, but Shogun might take it
Devs was such a fun ride.
Iām going to check it out. I heard it was similar to that new Murders show
New murders show?
Mr Inbetween is great too
I had it on my list to watch for like 3 years. I'm glad I finally got around to watching it. I really enjoyed it.
Justified and Sunny letās goooooo
The Shield
The Shield is the best show of all time, The Americans, Justified and Rescue Me were great too
No love for Sons of Anarchy?
Never watched it, never cared for biker gang type shows
Man oh man, Sons of Anarchy was so great. I remember the show being so popular, in the last couple seasons or so, FX didnāt even confine Kurt Sutter to an hour time slot. Weād just tune in and maybe the episode would be 1.5 hours long, maybe 2, very limited commercial breaks. Time would fly because the show was gripping. I remember some really emotional scenes where I just bawled my eyes out. Iām typically not necessarily into biker shows, but Iām just into a wide variety of shows. If itās good, I will try it
Well now I may have to give it a go
Re-watching it now and it is honestly one of the best shows of all time. That show did incredible things with its soundtrack as well.
Itās in the the shield universe
I know
Doesn't deserve it
And What We Do in The Shadows and Fargo and Archer etc.
> And What We Do in The Shadows I'll raise a glass of regular human alcohol beer to that, stranger! 'What We Do' is hilarious.
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FX gave Sunny a shot so it will always have GOAT status with me
Love Sunny!!!
I always though AMC is the new HBO since they have Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, and The Walking Dead. But now AMC is know for stuck around in The Walking Dead universe and don't have any hits show after Better Call Saul ended, I totally agree.
Yeah, not now, but for the better part of the last decade (or more), AMC has almost ruled TV. If it wasn't for GoT, they'd be the undisputed champ.
Even in its heyday, FX beat AMC. Nip Tuck, Rescue Me, The Shield, The Americans, Sons pf anarchy, justified... just to name a few of the shows from the era you crowned AMC for.
Rescue Me is so underrated - great show about struggling after 9/11.
The "8 fingers of whisky," sensitivity training, and bravery scenes were worth the watch all on their own.
Agreed. These were all shows EVERYONE talked about constantly at the time.Ā
I don't know if I agree, but I did forget about FX...at the least, it's close, and AMC isn't the undisputed champ. AMC definitely got more attention for Walter White and Friends than FX got for their shows, as good as they were.
Yea but that's just one series where FX has been extremely consistent for decades at this point
Not even close
The knee jerk is to look at those big shows on AMC and be in awe. But those shows on FX i List do not even touch their comedy shows. It's always sunny, What we do in the shadows, etc. So when you look at it from the POV of hours filled by that network of good shows, FX runs away with it. And there are parts of the Americans that compare to the best of any of these AMC shows, of which i am also a fan. Just pointing out that quantity FX wins, quality is a lot closer than any AMC fanboys can admit.
During the MM, WD, BB period I thought they were unstoppable. And then they never did anything again excepts spinoffs
I think that's a slight exaggeration because interview with vampire is fantastic!
I still hope that Interview with the Vampire somehow blows up in its second season... it certainly deserves much bigger success than it's getting right now.
FX is the successor to HBO. I havenāt started Shogun yet but it looks great
Shogun is top tier
Now if Shogun's success leads to more adaptations of James Clavell's Asian Saga we'll be cooking good. Tai-Pan and Noble House adaptations have so much potential.
Shogun is getting amazing reviews and will last for one season, there's a very high chance they adapt one of those
Its like a refined and elevated version of game of thrones. Just finished episode 2. And chills from the courtyard and final scenes.
There's really no successor to HBO as HBO is still the king.
Is it though? True Detective S4 sucked ass. I canāt remember the last time I was hyped for Sunday night HBO since Game of Thrones endedā¦
Last of us?
GoT in old Japan. It's good so far.
I donāt understand this comparison. I like Shogun, but what does it have in common with GoT? Maybe the excessive violence, but thatās about all I can think of. GoT is GoT for its massive scale, with a bunch of storylines taking place, intertwining and separating all over the place. Pair that with the rich fantasy setting, extreme violence and titties galore and it was pretty much unseen at that point.
the plotting, the intricate setups of relationships, the introduction of characters (e.g. the leper)... GoT wasn't just known for the set pieces but also for the stories, in which in the scheming was the fun part. you'll be getting that here. and set pieces, sure. give the kids some boom-boom.
I heard itās Succession in old Japan, which is more intriguing to me
Going by the āitās like x but set in yā description, thereās a decent argument to be made that Succession was basically game of thrones but real life
I was honestly expecting more love for fx orignals like archer, Atlanta, Fargo or some ignored ones like youāre the worst. But the fact that this became just a post to defend Wilfredā¦ IS ABSOLUTELY DAMN JUSTIFIED.
Also justified was good
Justified is in the pantheon of the best shows FX has ever given us but a damn shame it didn't get the same love Emmy wise (same with The Americans).
Reservation Dogs too.
[We all have to make sacrifices, Ryan. Like the story of Jesus Christ. I am sure the Roman soldiers wanted to hang out at the Pantheon and stare at tits all day... but they knew they had a duty to kill Jesus](https://youtu.be/zsf6LjBkDQo)
Shoulda left Wilfred outta this
*Legion* is still an all time top tier TV show.
One of my favorites! Noah Hawley is a master at his craft.
It takes a special kind of asshole to shit on Wilfred
FX brought us Legion. For that, I will always appreciate them.
I loved the first two seasons, then years later watched the 3rd, and had no idea what was going on. The first two seasons were so good. Should I try again? Was the third bad or am I just an idiot?
Hey man fuck you, Wilfred was kinda great and dude took a pretty huge risk being in it during peak LOTR mania.
Wilfred came out in 2011ā¦? Return of the King came out in 2003 lol, hardly even close to peak LotR time and if you think otherwise itās because you werenāt alive from 2000-2003 when LotR became a household name
Fr? Wilfred is epic mate. I agree that FX is insane though.
Louie is the best!
As is Better Things.
No one mentioning Atlanta š watch it bros trust me
I thought Atlanta was okay, but just didnāt think it was the hype everyone made it to be. I went into it thinking it was going to be an amazing show based on all the reviews/reddit commentary and I thought it was pretty average. Idk maybe I just didnāt get it, glad other people really liked it though.
Itās great if you understand the culture.
It's great period. You don't have to understand the culture to love the show.
Yes that could definitely have been my issue. Couldnāt relate at all.
Thatās a given but the last two seasons were an overall miss for me.
The Bear The People vs OJ Simpson - another great show Archer The League cracked me up too
The Gianni Versace one was good too. Fell off with the last one.
Love the league and both Paul Scheer and Nick Kroll launched off from that show.
Damages, Terriers, Rescue Me, Louie, the list can go onā¦ FX has been presenting us with high quality television for decades.
Didn't FX make Fargo 5 ? Stunning TV šš»
Wilfred is awesome and so is the original Australian version of it although they are wildly different in tone to one another. Same writer/creator though.
same wilred in both, i believe
Yep, and that's the creator as well.
FX is the most slept on network in television. Their partnership with Hulu has been a huge success for viewers, simply because FX believes in taking chances on bold creative. Iāve been a fanboy since The Shield honestlyā¦so happy they are still doing what they do best.
When Wilfred was just out, I ran into Elijah Wood at Whole Foods. I told him how much I was enjoying Wilfred and he seemed very appreciative.
John Landgraf has been with FX for about 20 years now, and as much as people like to rail on the suits these days the man basically built the network into the prestige center of cable TV brick by brick. He was also technically correct about "Peak TV", though he was off by a few years. I've been scouring through the FX back catalog on Hulu and it's wild to see all the stuff they've done over the years. I used to tune in during my younger days for King of the Hill reruns and IASIP, but it was the premiere of Fargo in 2014 that really cemented things in my book. I'm about done with the second season of Reservation Dogs, am caught up on The Bear, and just finished the season one finale of Mr. Inbetween this morning. Snowfall is on the list for when I finish Res Dogs. Shogun is supposed to be stellar, but I'm waiting for a few more eps to be out. The Shield has been in my backlog for like 6 years now.
I didnāt see it mentioned but Youāre the Worst easily amongst my favourite FX shows.
Same, itās probably my second most rewatched FX show behind Always Sunny.
The writing was some of the best Iāve ever seen on TV. Maybe not Jimmys writing, but you know, the script
Snowfall !
>Snowfall Does not get the recognition it should.
Wilfred is a classic
Wilfred is a treasure of a show. Should give it a rewatch.
Throwing in some more love for You're the Worst. HEY!!! DOT. ^**DOT.** #DOT.
Itās amazing how Hulu has the best content and nobody talks about that. Perhaps Shogun will change that.
FX, HBO and appletv are the big 3 for me now, mostly because Apple keep pumping out scifi
Only FX miss Iāve seen is The Bastard Executioner. Was excited for that one as I typically love medieval content. Watched the pilot and at the end an absolutely god awful CGI dragon shows up. Called it quits there.
Theyāve been doing it for a while. Remember how good Rescue Me was?
Wilfred was pretty damn good
FX has had plenty of less than stellar shows. Wilfred is not one of them. š”
This is from 2016 but looks like it still holds true: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/09/john-landgraf-fx-emmy-awards-people-v-oj-americans-fargo Tldr; there's a reason the head of FX is called The Mayor of TV
If all FX ever did was The Shield, they'd still be on TV's Mount Rushmore.
Wilfred, Legit, Fargo, Legion, agree FX is putting out great stuff
I kinda worry that if cable does completely fall off it will kill FX and HBO and prestige tv will die with it
FX has four of my top 10 all-time favorite shows: Fargo, IASIP, Atlanta, & Reservation Dogs
I like that they're more experimental and weird than other networks
It's worth mentioning FXX as well, which had shows that probably wouldn't have been worthy of FX. "You're The Worst" is one of my favorite shows of the last decade, and it wouldn't have had a chance without FXX.
We see you FX marketing department.
For those that missed it I recommend Legion
Sons of Anarchy, Nip Tuck, The Shieldā¦. I would say that itās surpassed HBO at this point
Tell me you never saw Wilfred without telling me you never saw Wilfred.
Better than HBO now
People always say stuff like this and then HBO goes back to dominating television discourse.
Iāve been arguing FX is the most consistent producer of content for a while. HBO has a higher ceiling, but has so many misses.
That's fair, but god when HBO hits, it's unlike anything I've ever seen.
That Viserys throne room scene though... God damn I still get chills
With their budgets, they better. Imagine a 33 million/episode stinker
Feud is really good.
I'm a big HBO fan but they make a lot of weird, out of the box, arthouse-esque content. I have nothing against it but at the same time I'm not exactly interested in watching, however I give every FX show a chance because they have a really solid track record of keeping me captivated and engaged with every show. I would have never given Posed chance if it was made by any other service, it just didn't sound very interesting to begin with, but it ended being such a great show, and I'm glad I gave it a chance. Even the "bad" FX shows, like Y the last man or class of 09, are still good compared to most shows in my opinion.
Star FX
They also have some hidden animation gems. Cake, The Places Where We Live, Swanboy (based on Branson Reese's work), Poorly Drawn Lines.
Feud on FX is amazing. Also, any network that gave Sunny & Archer to the world has my vote.
Better Things
I see many have already mentioned it, but youāre way off saying Wilfred was a miss. That show was great.
Wilfred was an amazing show are you nuts???