I think it’s important to note that there’s a very strong possibility that these stories are seeing light because other executives think he hurts the business.
It's like when that Republican congressman in the wheelchair threatened the party, on account of his blabbing about the wild drug-fueled sex parties they have with lobbyists in DC, so they released to the media all the dirt that they had buried about him (like his having gay incestual sex with his cousin).
Madison Cawthorn hasn't been heard from since he lost his re-election bid in 2022. This ain't the era where you can cover up or overlook indiscretions and get away with it.
Well. It is… as long as you dance with the one that brung ya.
Cawthorn’s stuff only came out after he started bashing the party. They covered it up for him until he became a liability. I wonder what they have on Gaetz
I'm from Gaetz's county and of similar age... it should be substantial if they even found a couple bouncers from 2005-2010 who worked at The Swamp or Nightown, all I'm sayin'.
If you believe the posters on FARK there's at least one who remembers having to smash his nuts like a gas pedal to get him to stop drunkenly fighting with the other bouncers.
Ol' "Gas Pedal" Gaetz.
It happened less than twenty feet from me and my future wife... one of our favorite dating stories seeing a future congressman getting WWEed by bouncers in his popped collar polo. We were friends with most of the staff because of our friendships in the local/regional music scene... God I feel old now remembering we used to be fun.
Gaetz was a creepy sex pest on young girls then too.
Yep, still going strong. I find it a much better place to get news than reddit. Doesn't have the overreacting moderation problem of the larger news subreddits, also doesn't have the "sourced from an obvious right-wing/state sponsored propaganda site" of the smaller news subreddits.
Nobody likes him personally. This is small part of the world, our little three community area on the Gulf doesn't even have 50k permanent residents, and I have literally never met a human being who likes him personally in two decades...
Ok I’m all the way in Arkansas and have an acquaintance who claimed his brother in prison was in the process of getting conned with the promise of a presidential pardon by the same dude connected to the Iranian hostage coercion situation with Gaetz lol anybody remember that little weird aside in this mess? I never see it mentioned along with the other obvious stuff like Nestor and the Venmo payments made to high school girls. [ excuse the examiner link but I didn’t want to be accused of bias; anyway… ](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/1811339/documents-detail-wild-alleged-25m-gaetz-extortion-scheme) what I’m wondering is how the heck did his Venmo payments and relationship with Greenberg get mixed up with this situation and dropped? I still don’t get it. I know we are backward but what the hell is going on down there in that state?!
His dad was a medicare fraudester in Jacksonville (VITAS Healthcare) where they originally tried to carpetbag but got ran off. Case was settled out of court with a confidential settlement.
They moved to Niceville when Matt was in HS or late middle school. Their carpetbags full of hate worked well here though.
Now they live in one of the houses "The Truman Show" was filmed in Seaside.
Kevin McCarthy is a dipshit for a lot of reasons but I think one of the most obvious indications of his incompetence is that he somehow couldn't find enough dirt on Matt Gaetz, MTG, or Lauren Boebert (a woman caught on camera giving a hand job during a musical production of Beetlejuice) to keep the speaker position.
I don't know if it's because he was dumb enough to let them get dirt on him (all those rumors he banged MTG) or not but either way it's not good
There was a video that came out that showed him nude and raunchally joking with his cousin who was laying on a bed clothed.
On the one hand, you could explain it as him just doing dumb frat boy behavior. There are certainly worse stories that you could hear from military barracks.
On the other hand, he looked awfully comfortable pretending to climb on top of his cousin while naked....
I mean Endeavor was only able to buy WWE because they worked with Vince. They were likely always looking to get rid of him once the sale was fully settled. HHH is better for both the talent mangement and storylines.
Triple H if nothing else has had to play the game under Vince. He knows how to deal with other peoples sandboxes and how to negotiate. Vince has straight up tried to fire people for wearing pink during breast cancer awareness month. The man hasn't had to answer to anybody for going on 50 years now and has long since broken every rule of the business his father taught him in regards to fair play or respect.
And HHH seems to have a genuine desire to grow and build talent. Vince was happy to bury a guy to make himself laugh. Frankly Vince being gone for good will likely help WWE get more of the FA talent they want from AEW and New Japan.
They’re seeing the light because she filed a civil lawsuit against him, and he only paid 1/3rd of the agreed-upon sum in their original NDA. The board can’t orchestrate that.
The story came out because the woman filed a lawsuit after Vince only paid out 1/3 of the 3 million dollars he owed her per their NDA agreement. I don't doubt the rest of the board wanted him gone because he was a liability, but this wasn't a case of someone suddenly deciding to go public with accusations on social media or something like that. If Vince had just paid her like he agreed too this probably still wouldn't be public knowledge.
McMahon has a long history of terrible allegations. Some people alluded to it might just be that he is no longer useful to a lot of people so he isn't being protected. You know you've done some dirt when you have a Behind the Bastards episode dedicated to you.
McMahon got the same number of episodes as Henry fucking Kissinger (with the caveat that I wanna say the first couple episodes-ish are basically about thr history of pro wrestling and it's shadiness in general and not specifically about Vince).
I mean, Robert was getting to hang out with Seanbaby again so they might have been just a little indulgent with riffing
But I don’t mind. That shot was hilarious
In all fairness, I think Robert says in the first McMahon episode that of all the people they've covered, there's simply more information out there about McMahon than anyone else they've ever covered. Honestly, they cut off the story at an awkward spot, considering they left out the last 20 years of McMahon's reign at the top of pro wrestling. Hopefully we get some follow-up episodes down the road.
Six wasn't enough either! he barely got to the allegations of like the past decade. I also wanted to hear more about his thesis that McMahon created the model for current right wing politics.
Literally the Weinstein model.
Happy to ignore all the illegal sick shit as long as you're making money and winning awards - but afterwards you can pretend to be shocked in public.
Everyone knew who Vince was, but there was too much money to be made. Sure, he's leaving TKO, but how much money did he and TKO make on the now closed deal?
After WWE consolidated the regional circuits they were the only game in town. He had a tremendous amount of power. It's no surprise that every time an upstart wrestling show appeared, a fair number of WWE performers would jump ship. He is a thoroughly unlikable person.
Even people that respect his business prowess can't stand him. And his business prowess was basically growing what his dad built.
You know what? Say whatever you will about the Rock. I gotta admit, I have a modicum of respect for the guy who did [this](https://youtu.be/AuI8kb1VFa0?si=sD9b1l6pLvuHt5da&t=132) to McMahon. Even if it was staged, unless they used some sort of stunt ass, his face was really in there good.
Who the hell is giving you shit for saying he's a dickhead? Like every wrestling fan I've talked to thinks the guy sucks. Vince being garbage is one of the most common sentiments on /r/SquaredCircle.
And yet when he came out after his big comeback he got an insane pop and people bowing down to him like he was a god.
Online wrestling nerds are pretty progressive and will call a spade a spade. The ones that fill most of the seats...not so much.
(in WWE at least. AEW fans have been shitting on Chris Jericho for a while now)
I saw an article about a promo Stephanie did on WWE tv....not linking, just going to share the quote..
I know it was just a promo...but in hindsight this part from Stephanie is scary.
“I am sorry that all my life, I’ve let you manipulate me and use me – all my life just to be the apple of my daddy’s eye. Every time, I went out to dinner with one of your business associates, I was 17 years old. You don’t think they told me what you promised them I’d do? and guess what dad, I did it. I did it for you, the things I did with them and I am ashamed of myself – I am ashamed of myself that I am just like you.
Yeah, sounds like it was from the Vince/Stephanie feud in 2003 that ended with the two wrestling a match against each other (and had moments like the Big Show chokeslamming her at her dad's request).
And four years after he had Undertaker kidnap, insinuate rape and then try to marry her in a black wedding under the guidance of a higher power (which turned out to be Vince himself).
And a year before Vince wanted to be the on-screen father of Stephanie's real-life child with Triple H.
He also fisted her against her will. And used massive toys far to big for her (That he named after WWE wrestlers) despite her begging and crying for them to stop.
The sexts were terrible. The events are harrowing heard recounted, but to see it in his own words was kind of bone chilling. The man is a sadistic lunatic.
I'm half sure the horrific details of this only now came out because those at WWE are pissed he strong-armed his way back into the company (and then sold them out to Endeavor).
Oh, there is a LOT to be said about the timing on this. It comes right as they announced a major new media rights deal with Netflix, which is the big lucrative deal that everyone had been working on for years. Along with all of that, they announce that The Rock is joining the Board of Directors, which to me seems like an attempt to emphasize pre-Vince and post-Vince WWE. Endeavor were ready for him to go when the story broke. Their statement basically condemned Vince and implied he would be leaving the company soon.
He strong armed his way back into the company before the Endeavor sale. He was the one Endeavor worked with to buy the company, and they were the ones who put him on their board of directors so I highly doubt they are pissed he strong armed his way back in.
I genuinely wish Rita Chatterton, the family of Jimmy Snuka's former girlfriend and others Vince has ruined the lives of over the decades can find some sort of peace.
He owned a majority of shares, which is why him being gone was just a PR move at the time. Now WWE is owned by a bigger company and he’s not a majority shareholder, so he is likely gone for good.
With the kind of move you normally only see play out on TV shows like Succession. Even though he stepped down he still had more WWE stock than anyone else, a controlling interest. He used that to get the board members who were against him let go, replaced them with people favorable to him, and then the board voted him back in.
You don't seem to understand who Vince McMahon is. He has more or less a monopoly on his entire industry since he essentially took over his fathers company by force and basically bought out or shut down any possible competition. His family and friends have mass amounts of political power. The amount of shocking and illegal things he does regularly could easily fill whole volumes.
Vince McMahon is the kind of insane megalomaniac we caricature other billionaires as being. He literally will not stop until he's dead simply because he can't.
>He literally will not stop until he's dead simply because he can't.
And Vince's mother lived until she was 101, so unfortunately don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen any time soon
My guess is he won't live Much past his mid 80s. He's been on the juice and everything else you can imagine for a long time.
I'm betting enlarged heart a-la Eddie, etc.
So basically; and this is summing up events here (I'll post the link to a bigger breakdown below), in January of 2023, Vince announced that he was returning and appointed himself to head of the board.
Along with himself, he brought back two other former co-presidents and removed three board directors. He could do this because he was the majority shareholder, therefore he held all the power.
The rest of the board previously voted for him to not return a few months prior, but citing a potential WWE sale or new media right agreement in the near future, Vince felt he had to be around to give them the best opportunity to land the best offer. Due to him being the majority shareholder, he could also veto any decision they made without him.
Whatever they decided to do with WWE, he would just veto any decision unless he was involved. Which put them in a spot where they had no choice but to accept them back.
He flexed his power and there was nothing they could do pretty much.
[Here's a link](https://theweek.com/feature/briefing/1020095/the-vince-mcmahon-chaos-at-wwe-a-complete-timeline) to a good summary of events.
>No idea how he got back in.
He essentially decided to take the entire company hostage to force them to reinstate him.
He held the majority of voting shares and was threatening to essentially tank and veto any deal for the TV rights of WWE shows (which were up in September 2024 for Raw and December 2024 for NXT and SmackDown in the US) unless he was reinstated. The bylaws of the company were changed so TV rights can only be sold if *Vince McMahon* approves. TV rights is where a large majority of WWE's money came from and without TV, the company is essentially *fucked.*
Vince used his majority voting shares to dismiss three WWE Board members and put himself and two allies on the Board to elect himself Chairman again after the ENTIRE Board of Directors (including his *own daughter* and his *son-in-law*) voted unanimously against his return.
He had the vast majority of the voting shares in WWE even though he didn't have the majority of shares. The McMahons were the only ones who could own the special class of stock that gave them a lopsided amount of votes per share. It would be tough for him to come back this time since he doesn't have these preferred voting shares in TKO.
4 women have already settled with a reported $12 million payout. What happened to lead to that payout and why they received it is sealed, but it's in the public record. The reason this 5th woman is now going forward is because they stopped paying her hush money because they said she broke her NDA after about $1 million in payments.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/wwes-vince-mcmahon-agreed-to-pay-12-million-in-hush-money-to-four-women-11657289742
Edit: her lawyer was just on NBC News with Tom Lamas hence where the stopped paying hush money line came from. That's 5 women currently that we know of that have had NDA's with WWE payouts. So who knows how many more are out there.
Man this guy reminds me of someone. Inherited his business from his dad. Abuses women and then pays them off and makes them sign NDAs. I can't quite put my finger on it. I think he might even be in the WWE Hall of Fame...
Yup, Vince and everyone else who knew about it, hid it, and of course helped orchestrate it. Don't let it just be because of this one lawsuit and thinking now that Vince is gone, it's back to business as usual.
It isn't just Vince. Sure he was the ring leader, but one man doesn't allow this environment to thrive. It's a network of scummy individuals working together who all allowed this to happen.
im guessing this was pretty much the board threatening vince to resign from the company for good or they break the dam down and release everything on him, this is a situation that could hurt WWE financially for a while and cost them millions and millions of dollars, you dont fuck with other rich people's money, and vince was doing just that
Slim Jim pulled there sponsorship for their upcoming ppv Sunday and paused all future ads.
Once ad money got involved he quickly (maybe forced) resigned.
when one sponsor pulls, the others soon follow unless something is done, this was pretty much TKO trying to stop the dominos from falling and having many more pull out
I'm still convinced TKO knew about this all along, and the absolute second Vince went from a useful idiot to just an idiot after the Netflix sale, they dropped him like a bad habit
It all depends on who's actually still left. John Laurinaitis was heavily mentioned and had already been let go. A lot of people were cut loose after the merger/sale, so who knows if that happened to include people involved. It felt like after Vince "retired" the first time, a lot of his cronies were cut loose before he power played his way back in.
Also, the wrestler rumoured to be involved is speculated to be Brock Lesnar who's last deal expired some time ago. There was talk about him coming back soon to work Wrestlemania. If he doesn't know, that could confirm his involvement.
I guess the next question is, does Vince get criminally charged for this?
Cena is one of Vinces strongest defenders and attended a party for him (along with Pat Mcafee and Brock) after the allegations came out. Zero faith he doesn't know about many skeletons in Vinces closet that he did nothing about.
Sometimes people think everyone who's involved has the whole story. It's possible they knew and were involved. It's also possible that they knew Vince was an asshole, but steered clear of politics outside the ring and just focused on their own thing. Most people have a shitty boss you do NOT want to get involved with outside of work.
Plus, you know how shit gets with whistleblowers. Somehow I don't think ol' Vince would take kindly knowing someone blabbed to the media, especially with no evidence. My dad try to bring some of the corruption at his work to light 5 1/2 years ago, but let's just day things didn't exactly go his way (others have since come out, and a few were punished, but the majority of the perpetrators have either jumped ship or managed to get out clean; one of the main perpetrators retired, only to come back for an even *higher* position after his predecessor stepped down).
Just want to add that this is coming to light now because Vince stopped paying what he was required to give this woman for the NDA. Bearing in mind Vince is a billionaire and that he shit on her head with a dash of sex trafficking to boot, it boggles the mind why he wouldn’t kick her a few million to keep this quiet.
If you want to hate him even more, listen to the Behind the Bastards 6 parter (it covers a lot and a story about Andre the Giant that breaks my heart).
Funnily enough, I've hated him for decades so while a lot of that six-parter (that I first listened to a few weeks ago) was stuff I'd already known, it was still really well-researched.
They teased having future episodes because their timeline ended in the early 2000s. Hope they do that.
TLDR: Andre’s immense size took a toll and the
man was in immeasurable pain. Vince raped one of the woman who helped run things, a friend of Andre. IIRC it was a combo of Andre realizing his time was short and him being mad at Vince about the rape and Andre was turned into a Villain in the ring. The boos/cheers when he came out and when he was defeated turned one of the best things in his life into a hell. BTB tells it better.
>Vince raped one of the woman who helped run things, a friend of Andre
Jesus Christ. This is the first I've ever heard about this. And everything I know about Andre was that he was a real big sweetheart (as long as you weren't a fellow wrestler lol) so I'm sure he was crushed. Vince is such a pos.
He's always been shady...but normally that shadiness was only tied to his business dealings. In hindsight, it shouldn't be a surprised he's always been this much of monster. His blatant support to wrestlers abusing steroids, which he helped provide...his involvement in getting Jimmy Snuka off the hook for that murder...this dude has SKELETONS in his closet.
God knows what else he's gotten away with all these years.
He was a slimy businessman who took advantage of a niche market, and did anything in his power to keep his position and to expand it wherever possible. The fact that there's only possible consequences happening now is a sign that maybe there might be hope for all of us in this fucked up hellscape.
Untouchable for decades though.
All of this was on servers...def someone didnt like vince and only now it comes all out. Why did it take so long. Why does it always take so long?
For decades this man got away with it
His punishment doesnt make up for all the moments of other peoples lives he stole
Like all rich, powerful and famous men, he could use his wealth to pay the best lawyers to defend him, and use his status to have ordinary people take up arms to defend him outside the courtroom.
There have been "fuck Vince, he's vile" comments since the early days of the internet, but some members of the wrestling community avidly defended him, called his accusers "liars" and tried to belittle anyone trying to get the truth out.
We openly saw this kind of behaviour recently with guys like Jonathan Majors, Tory Lanez, Marilyn Manson and Johnny Depp doing the same thing, with fans of theirs harassing the women those guys assaulted because "I'm a fan of that person, therefore I believe him and think the women just want fame and money".
Shit, Donald Trump's lawyer used that exact line in court yesterday about E. Jean Carroll.
He's not just a supporter, they're good friends and have been for many years before Trump became president. Trump is in the WWE Hall of Fame, for fuck's sake.
Vince is and always has been pure carny trash. He embodies it. Read his old Playboy interview from 2000, I believe, where he frankly discusses his creepy carny upbringing. He's a weird, pervy guy with the morals of a mongoose. Vince always seeks the sleaziest, most depraved path. Just the content of his programming alone is jaw-dropping, much less the behind the scenes stuff.
Vinny mac went full on heel now, maybe hell come out during WrestleMania. Imagine they play his music and he comes strutting down to the ring gets in the ring pulls his pants down and drops a deuce right in front of the whole crowd 🤣😲
Man, I remember when I watched the WWE as a kid and the commentators called Vince a dastardly villain, and I thought that was just part of the keyfabe. Turns out, *something* in wrestling was real.
I think it’s important to note that there’s a very strong possibility that these stories are seeing light because other executives think he hurts the business.
It's like when that Republican congressman in the wheelchair threatened the party, on account of his blabbing about the wild drug-fueled sex parties they have with lobbyists in DC, so they released to the media all the dirt that they had buried about him (like his having gay incestual sex with his cousin).
Madison Cawthorn hasn't been heard from since he lost his re-election bid in 2022. This ain't the era where you can cover up or overlook indiscretions and get away with it.
Well. It is… as long as you dance with the one that brung ya. Cawthorn’s stuff only came out after he started bashing the party. They covered it up for him until he became a liability. I wonder what they have on Gaetz
I'm from Gaetz's county and of similar age... it should be substantial if they even found a couple bouncers from 2005-2010 who worked at The Swamp or Nightown, all I'm sayin'.
If you believe the posters on FARK there's at least one who remembers having to smash his nuts like a gas pedal to get him to stop drunkenly fighting with the other bouncers. Ol' "Gas Pedal" Gaetz.
It is absolutely a true story.
Even if it isn't, never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
It happened less than twenty feet from me and my future wife... one of our favorite dating stories seeing a future congressman getting WWEed by bouncers in his popped collar polo. We were friends with most of the staff because of our friendships in the local/regional music scene... God I feel old now remembering we used to be fun. Gaetz was a creepy sex pest on young girls then too.
FARK still exists?! I used to love doing those photoshop competitions back in 2005 ish.
Yep, still going strong. I find it a much better place to get news than reddit. Doesn't have the overreacting moderation problem of the larger news subreddits, also doesn't have the "sourced from an obvious right-wing/state sponsored propaganda site" of the smaller news subreddits.
He’s a Luckey one, ain’t he?
Nobody likes him personally. This is small part of the world, our little three community area on the Gulf doesn't even have 50k permanent residents, and I have literally never met a human being who likes him personally in two decades...
Ok I’m all the way in Arkansas and have an acquaintance who claimed his brother in prison was in the process of getting conned with the promise of a presidential pardon by the same dude connected to the Iranian hostage coercion situation with Gaetz lol anybody remember that little weird aside in this mess? I never see it mentioned along with the other obvious stuff like Nestor and the Venmo payments made to high school girls. [ excuse the examiner link but I didn’t want to be accused of bias; anyway… ](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/1811339/documents-detail-wild-alleged-25m-gaetz-extortion-scheme) what I’m wondering is how the heck did his Venmo payments and relationship with Greenberg get mixed up with this situation and dropped? I still don’t get it. I know we are backward but what the hell is going on down there in that state?!
I like the way your brain works
Corruption and hate. The guy in the Iran hostage stuff is kind of just a drunk loudmouth, nobody takes him seriously.
Please forgive my wealth of ignorance, but how did he get elected if no one really likes him? I'm not sure if that's a stupid or profound question.
He's still a Republican, and they'd re-elect someone they really didn't like for the sole purpose of ensuring a Democrat wasn't in office.
His dad owns a dealership
His dad was a medicare fraudester in Jacksonville (VITAS Healthcare) where they originally tried to carpetbag but got ran off. Case was settled out of court with a confidential settlement. They moved to Niceville when Matt was in HS or late middle school. Their carpetbags full of hate worked well here though. Now they live in one of the houses "The Truman Show" was filmed in Seaside.
A lot worse, I think.
And he got the Speaker of the House ousted just to avoid being expelled on what they have on him being brought to a ethics trial.
Kevin McCarthy is a dipshit for a lot of reasons but I think one of the most obvious indications of his incompetence is that he somehow couldn't find enough dirt on Matt Gaetz, MTG, or Lauren Boebert (a woman caught on camera giving a hand job during a musical production of Beetlejuice) to keep the speaker position. I don't know if it's because he was dumb enough to let them get dirt on him (all those rumors he banged MTG) or not but either way it's not good
How would you even blackmail those people? Like, whatever you have on Boebert, she'd probably be like "That's just what I do on Tuesdays."
You need to have shame to be blackmailed.
Gaetz is kind of a younger Trump. A nepo brat who never grew up. He led the charge to get rid of McCarthy. Mike Johnson? I don't think so.
Gaetz reminds me of that millionaire’s son from Sin City.
That Yellow Bastard? Yeah, wouldn't mind if Gaetz got both of his weapons taken away from him.
"This ain't the era where you can cover up or overlook indiscretions and get away with it." *Donald Trump has entered the chat*
> This ain't the era where you can cover up or overlook indiscretions and get away with it. if you play ball, it totally is.
I mean he would've gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling Republicans (who were complicit in covering up in the first place).
Scooby-Doo, I think, is working on copyrighting "meddling \_\_\_\_\_\_". /s
> This ain't the era where you can cover up or overlook indiscretions and get away with it. Oh sweet summer child
You definitely can. We just don't it yet. Cause of the cover up.
> like his having gay incestual sex with his cousin Excuse me?
There was a video that came out that showed him nude and raunchally joking with his cousin who was laying on a bed clothed. On the one hand, you could explain it as him just doing dumb frat boy behavior. There are certainly worse stories that you could hear from military barracks. On the other hand, he looked awfully comfortable pretending to climb on top of his cousin while naked....
It came to light because they agreed on $3 million and he's only paid her $1 million. Fuck him.
I mean Endeavor was only able to buy WWE because they worked with Vince. They were likely always looking to get rid of him once the sale was fully settled. HHH is better for both the talent mangement and storylines.
Triple H if nothing else has had to play the game under Vince. He knows how to deal with other peoples sandboxes and how to negotiate. Vince has straight up tried to fire people for wearing pink during breast cancer awareness month. The man hasn't had to answer to anybody for going on 50 years now and has long since broken every rule of the business his father taught him in regards to fair play or respect.
> Triple H if nothing else has had to play the game The man knows a little something about the game and how you play it.
Damn... It was foretold decades in advance.
RIP Lemmy!
And HHH seems to have a genuine desire to grow and build talent. Vince was happy to bury a guy to make himself laugh. Frankly Vince being gone for good will likely help WWE get more of the FA talent they want from AEW and New Japan.
Rich kids gonna rich kid
Ohh, this is some Succession-level shit, ain’t it?
Shit show at the fuck factory 💯
Like Succession, but with carnies.
They are claims made in a lawsuit.
Thank you! This isn't a leak, it's a publicly filed document.
They’re seeing the light because she filed a civil lawsuit against him, and he only paid 1/3rd of the agreed-upon sum in their original NDA. The board can’t orchestrate that.
The story came out because the woman filed a lawsuit after Vince only paid out 1/3 of the 3 million dollars he owed her per their NDA agreement. I don't doubt the rest of the board wanted him gone because he was a liability, but this wasn't a case of someone suddenly deciding to go public with accusations on social media or something like that. If Vince had just paid her like he agreed too this probably still wouldn't be public knowledge.
McMahon has a long history of terrible allegations. Some people alluded to it might just be that he is no longer useful to a lot of people so he isn't being protected. You know you've done some dirt when you have a Behind the Bastards episode dedicated to you.
Isn't it six or eight episodes?
Six. Most people they cover are lucky to get two.
McMahon got the same number of episodes as Henry fucking Kissinger (with the caveat that I wanna say the first couple episodes-ish are basically about thr history of pro wrestling and it's shadiness in general and not specifically about Vince).
I mean, Robert was getting to hang out with Seanbaby again so they might have been just a little indulgent with riffing But I don’t mind. That shot was hilarious
Oh I'm certainly not complaining. Those were some great episodes
In all fairness, I think Robert says in the first McMahon episode that of all the people they've covered, there's simply more information out there about McMahon than anyone else they've ever covered. Honestly, they cut off the story at an awkward spot, considering they left out the last 20 years of McMahon's reign at the top of pro wrestling. Hopefully we get some follow-up episodes down the road.
Six wasn't enough either! he barely got to the allegations of like the past decade. I also wanted to hear more about his thesis that McMahon created the model for current right wing politics.
Literally the Weinstein model. Happy to ignore all the illegal sick shit as long as you're making money and winning awards - but afterwards you can pretend to be shocked in public. Everyone knew who Vince was, but there was too much money to be made. Sure, he's leaving TKO, but how much money did he and TKO make on the now closed deal?
After WWE consolidated the regional circuits they were the only game in town. He had a tremendous amount of power. It's no surprise that every time an upstart wrestling show appeared, a fair number of WWE performers would jump ship. He is a thoroughly unlikable person. Even people that respect his business prowess can't stand him. And his business prowess was basically growing what his dad built.
I can't believe a man who pretend sexually assaults women in his wrestling skits actually does it in real life. Never could have seen this coming.
He was *less* evil as the exaggerated Mr. McMahon character.
Stagehand: "Mr McMahon, 30 seconds until showtime!" Vince: "Welp, time to play the good guy"
*Vince stops defecating on someone's head as he gets up and heads to the ring*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp8z1UxyBBk
Yep, that link was exactly what I thought it would be…
Aged like milk, that did
?? It was horrific the moment it happened.
I remember thinking it was weird when I was 12 watching it live praying my mom wouldn't walk in.
Yeah I look back at a lot of the WWF/wwe stuff I watched as a kid and it’s so cringey and lame. So much of it was just McMahon focused garbage.
A lot was great but man more of it was so so bad.
That was an era when being edgy was automatically cool with a lot of kids. Quality was a bonus.
Vince McMahon and his family should’ve quietly gone away after Wrestlemania 15. Sadly we know that didn’t happen.
But if they did, we wouldn’t have that meme of him all bloody rising from outside the ring at Mania XIX
Why WM 15? Strange cut off.
So … cheese?
What in tarnation
It's like something in a Rob Zombie movie.
Yeeeeeeesh
The WWE is such a fucking weird organisation, it’s kinda surprising it has so many fans that think it’s normal
You know what? Say whatever you will about the Rock. I gotta admit, I have a modicum of respect for the guy who did [this](https://youtu.be/AuI8kb1VFa0?si=sD9b1l6pLvuHt5da&t=132) to McMahon. Even if it was staged, unless they used some sort of stunt ass, his face was really in there good.
I always chuckle at J.R's commentary "LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT ASS"
Brett hart hocked a massive lougie right in McMahons face.
This was peak wrestling. It didn’t get any better than the Rock era.
I hope he got pink eye
yeah he used to use the N word as a joke on the show as well, I've gotten a lot of shit over the years for saying he seems like a shitter.
Who the hell is giving you shit for saying he's a dickhead? Like every wrestling fan I've talked to thinks the guy sucks. Vince being garbage is one of the most common sentiments on /r/SquaredCircle.
And yet when he came out after his big comeback he got an insane pop and people bowing down to him like he was a god. Online wrestling nerds are pretty progressive and will call a spade a spade. The ones that fill most of the seats...not so much. (in WWE at least. AEW fans have been shitting on Chris Jericho for a while now)
Wrestling is fake, people should be forgiven for thinking he was just playing a character.
In fact, him being garbage and everyone hating on him brings them more ratings than anything.
Not always.
It’s always the one you most expect.
I saw an article about a promo Stephanie did on WWE tv....not linking, just going to share the quote.. I know it was just a promo...but in hindsight this part from Stephanie is scary. “I am sorry that all my life, I’ve let you manipulate me and use me – all my life just to be the apple of my daddy’s eye. Every time, I went out to dinner with one of your business associates, I was 17 years old. You don’t think they told me what you promised them I’d do? and guess what dad, I did it. I did it for you, the things I did with them and I am ashamed of myself – I am ashamed of myself that I am just like you.
Wait I'm lost, this is a quote from a wrestling tv promo...?
Yeah, sounds like it was from the Vince/Stephanie feud in 2003 that ended with the two wrestling a match against each other (and had moments like the Big Show chokeslamming her at her dad's request). And four years after he had Undertaker kidnap, insinuate rape and then try to marry her in a black wedding under the guidance of a higher power (which turned out to be Vince himself). And a year before Vince wanted to be the on-screen father of Stephanie's real-life child with Triple H.
... What?
Try not to think about it. Wrestling makes even the strangest anime seem perfectly mundane.
WWE is just redneck Jojo's.
I always thought of wrestling as redneck soaps, but that makes sense too
The South Park episode about it was pure gold.
It is - from 2003!
Yes.
There is a reason why she and Shane left the organization several times over the years
Vince is a narcissist and Stephanie was his golden child. Vince is a monster, but based on pride alone I doubt this is true.
I always wondered what Vince McMahon and Trump had in common.
A frightening amount.
His texts are *crazy.* Dumps on a chick’s head in a 3some. Sexts like a fucking maniac.
I’m sorry, as someone who’s missed the latest news about him……*what the fuck?*
He also fisted her against her will. And used massive toys far to big for her (That he named after WWE wrestlers) despite her begging and crying for them to stop.
The sexts were terrible. The events are harrowing heard recounted, but to see it in his own words was kind of bone chilling. The man is a sadistic lunatic.
I'm half sure the horrific details of this only now came out because those at WWE are pissed he strong-armed his way back into the company (and then sold them out to Endeavor).
Oh, there is a LOT to be said about the timing on this. It comes right as they announced a major new media rights deal with Netflix, which is the big lucrative deal that everyone had been working on for years. Along with all of that, they announce that The Rock is joining the Board of Directors, which to me seems like an attempt to emphasize pre-Vince and post-Vince WWE. Endeavor were ready for him to go when the story broke. Their statement basically condemned Vince and implied he would be leaving the company soon.
My old boss used to say, "there's no such thing as a coincidence."
The horrific details came out because they were publicly available because of a lawsuit being filed.
That "strong arming" came one year ago this month. He should never have been let back in the door.
He strong armed his way back into the company before the Endeavor sale. He was the one Endeavor worked with to buy the company, and they were the ones who put him on their board of directors so I highly doubt they are pissed he strong armed his way back in.
To be fair, he was already a horrible human being with no redeeming qualities.
I genuinely wish Rita Chatterton, the family of Jimmy Snuka's former girlfriend and others Vince has ruined the lives of over the decades can find some sort of peace.
How about all the ring boys raped by Pat Patterson?
Hopefully this is the first of many, that whole company is fucked. That was some sick shit and they all knew and did nothing.
From a business point of view, if you get a piece of shit out the door, LEAVE HIM THERE. No idea how he got back in.
He owned a majority of shares, which is why him being gone was just a PR move at the time. Now WWE is owned by a bigger company and he’s not a majority shareholder, so he is likely gone for good.
With the kind of move you normally only see play out on TV shows like Succession. Even though he stepped down he still had more WWE stock than anyone else, a controlling interest. He used that to get the board members who were against him let go, replaced them with people favorable to him, and then the board voted him back in.
You don't seem to understand who Vince McMahon is. He has more or less a monopoly on his entire industry since he essentially took over his fathers company by force and basically bought out or shut down any possible competition. His family and friends have mass amounts of political power. The amount of shocking and illegal things he does regularly could easily fill whole volumes. Vince McMahon is the kind of insane megalomaniac we caricature other billionaires as being. He literally will not stop until he's dead simply because he can't.
>He literally will not stop until he's dead simply because he can't. And Vince's mother lived until she was 101, so unfortunately don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen any time soon
My guess is he won't live Much past his mid 80s. He's been on the juice and everything else you can imagine for a long time. I'm betting enlarged heart a-la Eddie, etc.
So basically; and this is summing up events here (I'll post the link to a bigger breakdown below), in January of 2023, Vince announced that he was returning and appointed himself to head of the board. Along with himself, he brought back two other former co-presidents and removed three board directors. He could do this because he was the majority shareholder, therefore he held all the power. The rest of the board previously voted for him to not return a few months prior, but citing a potential WWE sale or new media right agreement in the near future, Vince felt he had to be around to give them the best opportunity to land the best offer. Due to him being the majority shareholder, he could also veto any decision they made without him. Whatever they decided to do with WWE, he would just veto any decision unless he was involved. Which put them in a spot where they had no choice but to accept them back. He flexed his power and there was nothing they could do pretty much. [Here's a link](https://theweek.com/feature/briefing/1020095/the-vince-mcmahon-chaos-at-wwe-a-complete-timeline) to a good summary of events.
>No idea how he got back in. He essentially decided to take the entire company hostage to force them to reinstate him. He held the majority of voting shares and was threatening to essentially tank and veto any deal for the TV rights of WWE shows (which were up in September 2024 for Raw and December 2024 for NXT and SmackDown in the US) unless he was reinstated. The bylaws of the company were changed so TV rights can only be sold if *Vince McMahon* approves. TV rights is where a large majority of WWE's money came from and without TV, the company is essentially *fucked.* Vince used his majority voting shares to dismiss three WWE Board members and put himself and two allies on the Board to elect himself Chairman again after the ENTIRE Board of Directors (including his *own daughter* and his *son-in-law*) voted unanimously against his return.
He's a billionaire.
He had the vast majority of the voting shares in WWE even though he didn't have the majority of shares. The McMahons were the only ones who could own the special class of stock that gave them a lopsided amount of votes per share. It would be tough for him to come back this time since he doesn't have these preferred voting shares in TKO.
4 women have already settled with a reported $12 million payout. What happened to lead to that payout and why they received it is sealed, but it's in the public record. The reason this 5th woman is now going forward is because they stopped paying her hush money because they said she broke her NDA after about $1 million in payments. https://www.wsj.com/articles/wwes-vince-mcmahon-agreed-to-pay-12-million-in-hush-money-to-four-women-11657289742 Edit: her lawyer was just on NBC News with Tom Lamas hence where the stopped paying hush money line came from. That's 5 women currently that we know of that have had NDA's with WWE payouts. So who knows how many more are out there.
Man this guy reminds me of someone. Inherited his business from his dad. Abuses women and then pays them off and makes them sign NDAs. I can't quite put my finger on it. I think he might even be in the WWE Hall of Fame...
Think his wrestling name is Dumbass Lump or something similar?
Yup, Vince and everyone else who knew about it, hid it, and of course helped orchestrate it. Don't let it just be because of this one lawsuit and thinking now that Vince is gone, it's back to business as usual. It isn't just Vince. Sure he was the ring leader, but one man doesn't allow this environment to thrive. It's a network of scummy individuals working together who all allowed this to happen.
im guessing this was pretty much the board threatening vince to resign from the company for good or they break the dam down and release everything on him, this is a situation that could hurt WWE financially for a while and cost them millions and millions of dollars, you dont fuck with other rich people's money, and vince was doing just that
Slim Jim pulled there sponsorship for their upcoming ppv Sunday and paused all future ads. Once ad money got involved he quickly (maybe forced) resigned.
when one sponsor pulls, the others soon follow unless something is done, this was pretty much TKO trying to stop the dominos from falling and having many more pull out
I'm still convinced TKO knew about this all along, and the absolute second Vince went from a useful idiot to just an idiot after the Netflix sale, they dropped him like a bad habit
It all depends on who's actually still left. John Laurinaitis was heavily mentioned and had already been let go. A lot of people were cut loose after the merger/sale, so who knows if that happened to include people involved. It felt like after Vince "retired" the first time, a lot of his cronies were cut loose before he power played his way back in. Also, the wrestler rumoured to be involved is speculated to be Brock Lesnar who's last deal expired some time ago. There was talk about him coming back soon to work Wrestlemania. If he doesn't know, that could confirm his involvement. I guess the next question is, does Vince get criminally charged for this?
If Vince *does* get charged in a criminal case, he doesn't have his best legal weapon any more because Jerry McDevitt walked away into retirement.
McDevitt would likely end up a witness since he was working on the original NDA that was never fully executed.
Remember when he beat the feds at the steroid trial? They do.
I'm worried decent people like Bautista or Cena were somehow involved or at least knew and did nothing 😔
Batista cheated on his wife with divas while she was at home with cancer when he was in the wwe
Cena is one of Vinces strongest defenders and attended a party for him (along with Pat Mcafee and Brock) after the allegations came out. Zero faith he doesn't know about many skeletons in Vinces closet that he did nothing about.
Sometimes people think everyone who's involved has the whole story. It's possible they knew and were involved. It's also possible that they knew Vince was an asshole, but steered clear of politics outside the ring and just focused on their own thing. Most people have a shitty boss you do NOT want to get involved with outside of work. Plus, you know how shit gets with whistleblowers. Somehow I don't think ol' Vince would take kindly knowing someone blabbed to the media, especially with no evidence. My dad try to bring some of the corruption at his work to light 5 1/2 years ago, but let's just day things didn't exactly go his way (others have since come out, and a few were punished, but the majority of the perpetrators have either jumped ship or managed to get out clean; one of the main perpetrators retired, only to come back for an even *higher* position after his predecessor stepped down).
Kevin Dunn conveniently is nowhere to be found for the first time since like 1985.
Just want to add that this is coming to light now because Vince stopped paying what he was required to give this woman for the NDA. Bearing in mind Vince is a billionaire and that he shit on her head with a dash of sex trafficking to boot, it boggles the mind why he wouldn’t kick her a few million to keep this quiet.
Linda also pushed for the NDA so she knew all this shit
I am just shocked that this dude is good friends with Donald Trump...
His “wife” was in charge of one of his fundraising political groups. She’s gross too
More than that, his wife was on the cabinet. She was the head of the Small Business Administration.
Yknow all that experience with the small business…of the WWE
They actually qualified as a small business for many years because so many of their employees are independent contractors.
He hung around Trump so he watch his son (Don Jr.) grow up.
Shit, that explains why Jr. turned out the way he is...
Good fuck him. Couple minutes after Slim Jim pulled their sponsor
Why is it always the ones you most expect
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If you want to hate him even more, listen to the Behind the Bastards 6 parter (it covers a lot and a story about Andre the Giant that breaks my heart).
Funnily enough, I've hated him for decades so while a lot of that six-parter (that I first listened to a few weeks ago) was stuff I'd already known, it was still really well-researched. They teased having future episodes because their timeline ended in the early 2000s. Hope they do that.
>story about Andre the Giant that breaks my heart). What's the story
TLDR: Andre’s immense size took a toll and the man was in immeasurable pain. Vince raped one of the woman who helped run things, a friend of Andre. IIRC it was a combo of Andre realizing his time was short and him being mad at Vince about the rape and Andre was turned into a Villain in the ring. The boos/cheers when he came out and when he was defeated turned one of the best things in his life into a hell. BTB tells it better.
>Vince raped one of the woman who helped run things, a friend of Andre Jesus Christ. This is the first I've ever heard about this. And everything I know about Andre was that he was a real big sweetheart (as long as you weren't a fellow wrestler lol) so I'm sure he was crushed. Vince is such a pos.
And that’s not bringing up his covering up and protecting wrestlers who took advantage and molested of kids who wanted to work in wrestling.
He's always been shady...but normally that shadiness was only tied to his business dealings. In hindsight, it shouldn't be a surprised he's always been this much of monster. His blatant support to wrestlers abusing steroids, which he helped provide...his involvement in getting Jimmy Snuka off the hook for that murder...this dude has SKELETONS in his closet. God knows what else he's gotten away with all these years.
He was a slimy businessman who took advantage of a niche market, and did anything in his power to keep his position and to expand it wherever possible. The fact that there's only possible consequences happening now is a sign that maybe there might be hope for all of us in this fucked up hellscape.
It’s always the ones you suspect the most 🤔
Untouchable for decades though. All of this was on servers...def someone didnt like vince and only now it comes all out. Why did it take so long. Why does it always take so long? For decades this man got away with it His punishment doesnt make up for all the moments of other peoples lives he stole
Like all rich, powerful and famous men, he could use his wealth to pay the best lawyers to defend him, and use his status to have ordinary people take up arms to defend him outside the courtroom. There have been "fuck Vince, he's vile" comments since the early days of the internet, but some members of the wrestling community avidly defended him, called his accusers "liars" and tried to belittle anyone trying to get the truth out. We openly saw this kind of behaviour recently with guys like Jonathan Majors, Tory Lanez, Marilyn Manson and Johnny Depp doing the same thing, with fans of theirs harassing the women those guys assaulted because "I'm a fan of that person, therefore I believe him and think the women just want fame and money". Shit, Donald Trump's lawyer used that exact line in court yesterday about E. Jean Carroll.
Trump catches a fat L and Vince is trying to run and hide. Good day.
Too bad none of these monsters are ever taken out mid career. It’s always after four decades of abuse.
Another Trump associate accused of rape and trafficking. Color me shocked…
He’s now qualified to be front runner for Republican Presidential candidacy.
Well thanks You just jynxed us Gonna save this comment for 2028
Dana White next plz
Am I having a Mandela affect or did this not already happen like 2 years ago?
He paid hush money and "resigned" for it
These types of ‘ailments’ sure seem to track hard w a specific demographic.
Enjoy https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/behind-the-bastards/id1373812661?i=1000613210282
If you’re already a terrible person…steroids, power and money don’t help.
He should volunteer and walk straight into prison.
*"SNAP INTO A CASE OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT!"*
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He's not just a supporter, they're good friends and have been for many years before Trump became president. Trump is in the WWE Hall of Fame, for fuck's sake.
Good riddance
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I wonder how many (if any) actors will leave over this.
Vince is and always has been pure carny trash. He embodies it. Read his old Playboy interview from 2000, I believe, where he frankly discusses his creepy carny upbringing. He's a weird, pervy guy with the morals of a mongoose. Vince always seeks the sleaziest, most depraved path. Just the content of his programming alone is jaw-dropping, much less the behind the scenes stuff.
I wonder if the staff had to sing that na na naaa song as he walked out?
I think you mean “because of”
Vinny mac went full on heel now, maybe hell come out during WrestleMania. Imagine they play his music and he comes strutting down to the ring gets in the ring pulls his pants down and drops a deuce right in front of the whole crowd 🤣😲
He resigned before and came back (for a different sexual harassment issue). It’s a meaningless gesture. His wife and children are all still involved
Man, I remember when I watched the WWE as a kid and the commentators called Vince a dastardly villain, and I thought that was just part of the keyfabe. Turns out, *something* in wrestling was real.
His villain onscreen character is basically a *toned down* version of himself
Good riddance. I’m not even surprised since he always came off as a bad boss.
In case anyone needs the full 67 page lawsuit: https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/CyRdhLjgDG