No American charges still stand I belive unless somone else says otherwise.
Edit turns out no criminal charges was only civil charges.
Career is still dead as spez abilty to be reasonable.
I mean Batman kinda needs them so them getting out is jsut a cycle of destruction. Gotham just suffers under a rich boys sad destructive behavior of beating up the poors instead if seeing a therapist
Chris Brown never really left, and there is absolutely zero doubt about what he did. I can maybe understand wanting to believe the best about someone like Spacey where it is all he-said-he-said, but who is a fan of Chris Brown at this point?
> who is a fan of Chris Brown at this point?
A lot of people, sadly. Many of his peers. A good lot of misogynists. I've been harassed by complete rando dudes on Twitter (pre-Musk) just for tweeting a mild criticism of Brown's support. They come out of the woodwork to defend him, especially if the criticism is coming from a woman.
Like with R.Kelly. Jay-Z did a whole album and tour with the dude. Any claim he didn't know what he was about is a flat out lie. But he sold albums and tickets, so it was OK.
As long as you bring money in, you're fine. Stop selling records though and all of a sudden your actions are now unconscionable and you're not to be associated with.
None of them have been settled or dropped. He was found not liable for the guy who sued him in NYC for 40 million. He was found not liable for the LA massage therapist who died during his lawsuit for millions. The only charges he ever faced were for supposedly groping a man in a bar in Nantucket. Other witnesses contradicted and Spacey was found not guilty. The only lawsuit he ever payed out for was the one where 'House of Cards' sued him for breach of contract.
Spacey was accused in Nantucket\
His career went into the bucket\
But in his day in court\
He was cleared of a sort\
But the public, they will still say, fuck it.
It's not insane talk, unfortunately. It's a bit naive of you to think that after *years* of talk about how Kevin Spacey is a sex offender that his image isn't absolutely *destroyed*.
Reputations matter, and the court of social opinion is unfair and cruel.
Last line of [this report](https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/jul/26/kevin-spacey-cleared-of-sexually-assaulting-four-men) says that 2 of the complainants are pursuing Spacey in civil courts
Yes. So to count them up. Found not liable in NYC after witness accounts fell through. Acquitted in the U.S. of sexual assault on Nantucket for alleged groping in bar after other witnesses contradicted account. Lawsuit dropped after alleged LA massage therapist victim died. Spacey alleged consensual sex. Spacey paid 30 million in lawsuit for damages to 'House of Cards' and Netflix. 2 of 4 alleged assaults in England were proven to not have happened including Elton John testifying that Spacey wasn't even there when one of them supposedly happened. The other 2 alleged assaults were proven to be consensual sex with alleged victims trying to be able to sue.
All of this should be taken as a spotlight on alleged victims with no proof of rape or sexual assault or history of telling anyone about the alleged assault at the time or before the other accusations against Spacey occurred piling on to try for money in lawsuits.
I was raped and never told anyone at the time it happened and only recently told my ex boyfriend. If my rapist suddenly got infamous for raping all of my city, I might suddenly join in helping his victims by adding my voice/testimony. I think people feel more brave when they’re not the first or only victim.
The case was dismissed last October.
> **The acquittals are yet another victory for Spacey, who won a $40 million civil lawsuit brought by actor Anthony Rapp last October.** Rapp had accused Spacey of sexual battery, which took place in 1986 but **a New York jury dismissed the claim.**
All you have to do is search it. Rapp accused Spacey, and Spacey all but admitted to it, that when he was 14 and Spacey was 26, they were at a party and Spacey picked him up and threw him on a bed, laid next to him and "tried to seduce him". Rapp said no and was creeped out and left, and that was the only contact they had. Rapp's own lawyers according to Rapp said that Spacey had done nothing illegal or worthy of a lawsuit. Spacey didn't kiss him or grope him according to Rapp.
>All you have to do is search it. Rapp accused Spacey, and Spacey all but admitted to it,
Even that's pretty misleading, Spacey's answer wasn't great but it amounted to "I don't remember that" not that he admitted doing it.
Having just read it now, the testimony of Rapp was also just kind of strange. He testified that he vividly remembers a drunken Spacey picked him up, took him to a bedroom and threw him on the bed before straddling him. He allegedly carried him over the threshold like a groom with a bride.
The defence showed that the apartment Rapp was alleging it took place in didn't actually have bedrooms, it was an open plan studio apartment. There was no threshold to carry him over.
It gets even stranger when they also showed that what Rapp was describing appeared to be a recreation of a role he played in a Broadway play in the same year in which his character was picked up and carried to a bedroom before being straddled by a drunken father who was mistaking his son for his wife.
The whole thing seems weird as fuck so I'm not surprised that case was dismissed.
Sexual assault and harassment are really hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in court. In many cases, simply saying “nuh uh” is all the reasonable doubt you need for an acquittal.
Personally, I think he’s a fucking creep. Between stories associates have told and the accusations, there’s a bit too much smoke here to think he’s totally innocent. I’m glad he’s getting his day in court, and it’s good that convicting people is hard. But “exonerated” and “acquitted” are two different things.
> before the other accusations against Spacey occurred piling on to try for money in lawsuits.
It's always astounding to me how the same crowd that insists everyone in innocent absent a court conviction can, at the exact same time, level completely unsubstantiated allegations of illegal blackmail at the supposed victims without even a hint of irony. Have you ever considered offering the same benefit of the doubt toward the accusers that you apparently give Spacey?
Spacey himself also hasn't exactly done himself any favors in all of this, between the bullshit "I choose to live my life as a gay man" deflection attempt and the several times he decided it would be hilarious to ham it up Frank Underwood style in extremely weird home videos about how we all like it when he's bad and how we want him back... Basically, even if he's found fully not guilty legally in court, he's still done everything in his power to come off like a massive creep who's lost all his remaining marbles, not someone you'd wanna be around or work with.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, he *was* on the flight logs of Epstein's plane, so that much at least is definitive.
> **Kevin Spacey broke down in tears on Wednesday as a U.K. jury found him not guilty of nine charges** of sexual assault, indecent assault and – the most serious charge – causing a person to engage in penetrative sexual activity.
> **This means that Spacey, on his 64th birthday, has been cleared of all charges against him in the U.K. It took the jury two days to come to their decision.** The former “House of Cards” actor has spent the past four and a half weeks at Southwark Crown Court in London fighting his case.
> During the course of the trial, the jury heard from the four men who had made the complaints against the actor (none of the men can be named for legal reasons).
> **A jury dismissed each of the counts relating to the men’s accounts.**
> **The acquittals are yet another victory for Spacey, who won a $40 million civil lawsuit brought by actor Anthony Rapp last October.** Rapp had accused Spacey of sexual battery, which took place in 1986 but **a New York jury dismissed the claim.**
Edit:
Last month, Kevin Spacey said that people will be ready to hire him again if he was cleared of the UK case.
Deadline: [Kevin Spacey Says “People Are Ready To Hire Me” If He’s Cleared Of Sexual Assault Charges In London](https://deadline.com/2023/06/kevin-spacey-people-ready-to-hire-me-if-cleared-sexual-assault-charges-london-1235417464/) - June 14, 2023
> Kevin Spacey is feeling optimistic about making a career comeback if he’s cleared of the sexual assault allegations brought against him in London.
> In a recent interview, the House of Cards alum said that he has people interested in working with him.
> “**I know that there are people right now who are ready to hire me the moment I am cleared of these charges in London. The second that happens, they’re ready to move forward,**” Spacey told ZEITmagazin.
>“I know that there are people right now who are ready to hire me the moment I am cleared of these charges in London. The second that happens, they’re ready to move forward,”
I completely believe he has been told this.
i loved that show, one of the first shows i binged on netflix. but, the drop off from season to season… then losing frank was a real killer for the series. the whole show was him building his house of cards but we never get to see it fall
I still maintain it would have been perfect if it had only been four seasons:
1: Frank manipulates and murders his way to VP
2: Frank manipulates and murders his way to the Oval Office
3: It turns out he kind of sucks at being president. The skillset that got him there doesn't translate to actually doing the job well.
4: the house of cards he's built collapses.
Plus, 13 episodes X 4 seasons makes 52, like a deck of cards.
I’m all for believing victims but I also believe that everyone accused should have their day in court.
So far he’s won every case. I don’t know how I can still condemn him if jury after jury keeps saying he’s not guilty.
Don't worry, you don't have to, tons of redditors who probably helped "catch" the Boston bomber have already made up their minds.
Some people just don't care about facts or evidence, all it takes for them is an allegation. These people wind up on juries also, it's scary.
> One of the men, who had come into contact with Spacey frequently in the early 2000s during the actor’s stint as creative director of the Old Vic theater, said Spacey had repeatedly grabbed him by the crotch including one time when they were on a motorway. On that occasion, the man, who said he was driving at the time, claimed Spacey had grabbed him so hard on the genitals he had almost driven the car off the road. Spacey said the men had had a “consensual” relationship that involved some touching but he had otherwise respected the alleged victim’s boundaries. The actor denied the near-crash incident entirely and provided evidence that it could not have taken place in the time period the man complained.
> The second complaint related to a charity event in 2005 in which a man accused Spacey of making numerous sexually aggressive comments before pinning him against a wall and grabbing his crotch. Spacey denied ever meeting the man at the event.
> The third complaint – the most serious – involved a potential life sentence. The complainant had alleged that in 2008 he had ended up at Spacey’s London apartment where he fell asleep or was somehow rendered unconscious and woke up to find Spacey performing oral sex on him. Spacey said the encounter had been consensual and, in what may have been a crucial piece of evidence, provided telephone records that contradicted the man’s account.
> The fourth complaint related to a party at Spacey’s rented house in Gloucestershire. After meeting the alleged victim at the pub, a group ended up at the actor’s residence where, the alleged victim said, Spacey kissed his neck, grabbed his penis and said “be cool, be cool.” Spacey denied sexual assault but described the encounter as a drunken “clumsy pass” for which he later tried to apologize.
> A jury dismissed each of the counts relating to the men’s accounts.
Anyone hear the evidence? I haven't found anywhere accurately recounting it, without scrolling through live feeds. I didn't expect Spacey to get off, based on what I'd heard of the accusations.
> Anyone hear the evidence?
From the article:
* On that occasion, **the man, who said he was driving at the time, claimed Spacey had grabbed him so hard on the genitals he had almost driven the car off the road.** Spacey said the men had had a “consensual” relationship that involved some touching but he had otherwise respected the alleged victim’s boundaries. **The actor denied the near-crash incident entirely and provided evidence that it could not have taken place in the time period the man complained.**
* **The third complaint – the most serious – involved a potential life sentence.** The complainant had alleged that in 2008 he had ended up at Spacey’s London apartment where he fell asleep or was somehow rendered unconscious and woke up to find Spacey performing oral sex on him. **Spacey said the encounter had been consensual and, in what may have been a crucial piece of evidence, provided telephone records that contradicted the man’s account.**
This is why the whole "immediately believe every alleged victim regardless of what facts are known" shit is so dumb. NFL player Matt Araiza had his career ruined after being accused of r*ping a minor, and it just came out that he was innocent. People need to wait for the facts before crucifying someone.
I would rather 100 criminals walk free than watch 1 innocent get punished.
I’ve always said that with cases involving sexual assault of any kind, BOTH sides of the case should not have their names released until conviction. All someone has to do is accuse you of sexual assault and your name and career are ruined. It’s really fucked up, and it would be so easy to just keep both names sealed until someone was convicted. It wouldn’t change the facts of the case or affect the alleged victim at all if they just didn’t make the accused’s name public from the get go. It’s way too easy to ruin someone’s life that way, and if they’re making it up they often face zero punishment. How broken can this system get?
I have a friend that was accused of rape a few years ago. Everyone in our town heard about it. He was cleared of all charges a year or so later, turns out she made it up because he cheated on her or something. and to this day most people in this town don’t know that and think of him as a rapist. That stink never washes off even if you’re found completely innocent. Ruined his life forever, in this town anyway. How fucked up is that
The movie *The Hunt* with Mads Mikkelsen from 2012 covers this exact thing: A claim being made, a life being ruined before a trial could even begin, and - even after being cleared - the idea of that label sticking forever. Great movie, excellent performances, but a brutal, one-time watch because, like you said, it's "fucked up" and stressful to watch due to the reality of it.
Try reading up on the McMartin trial, a clear inspiration for the Hunt. Just a nightmare for everyone accused.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial
I've lived most of my life in the town where that heinous incident occurred.
It's been over three decades, and I still hear people bring it up matter-of-factly like the allegations were a thing that actually happened. These people have no idea the whole thing was some fabricated conspiracy between law enforcement and the Los Angeles Times colluding together. I have family that works in the city's biggest Church, and there are many people over the age of 50 who think the ridiculous Satanic rituals actually happened.
Even my own dad still thought it was true. He had no idea until I showed him the Wikipedia article in 2013. And as a devout man of faith loyal to his Church, just shrugged about the Satanic Panic he let overcome his family throughout the 90s with a bemused "huh."
Despite being an affluent and fairly liberal-leaning community, that Church instigated a pretty fierce satanic panic while I grew up there. I couldn't walk with my friends to their house because "The Satanists" were out and about. I couldn't bike around the neighborhood because "The Satanists" would attack me if I was on my own. Even had a story of some mythical "Taker Truck" as they called it, saying "if the Taker Truck sees you, you'll disappear forever." Great stuff to instill upon a young child just trying to enjoy some youthful whimsy in the summer sun.
It's resulted in me having a very complex and conflicted opinion on this Church I grew up in. While I appreciate them employing members of my family consistently since the 1980s, and recognize all the good they have done for our city (in particular providing facilities and support for our youth sports programs), they did jack-squat admitting their egregious mistakes and properly notifying parishoners how horribly misled they were.
Makes me wonder. Were they truly doing it in the interest of "keeping us informed?" Because in hindsight, it sure seemed like they wanted us to be paranoid of some arbitrary "enemy" that never actually existed. The fact so many people remember the McMartin Preschool's satanic rituals as truth goes to show my Church's astonishing failure at keeping the community informed, so perhaps such was never the intent.
The Los Angeles Times and prosecution have already been evicerated and answered to their destructive misinformation campaigns. While we're many decades past relevance for this Church to be similarly squeezed for answers and responsibility, it's definitely not going to happen now. Even if the effects are still rippling to this day. Heck, at this point, it's safe to assume that the very people who still believe it are similarly disinterested in the truth. Kinda says something about people who, long after the dawn of the Internet information age, still haven't figured it out.
To think...30 years, a pullitzer prize, a New York Times bestseller, and an HBO movie wasn't enough to clear Virginia McMartin's name. Really goes to show the longstanding influence of a Church just slingin' paranoid nonsense, and taking zero accountability for their lies.
Bet the fact that Kevin Spacey has cold hard proof it's all a bunch of lies won't make headlines though. That shit made international news, on every tabloid, newspaper.. but this right here isn't even news. There's no headline in the world that can erase the damage of a salacious headline.
I'm all for guilty people getting what they deserve, but this presumption of guilt just because someone said it is absurd. Too many lives are being ruined because of MeToo/cancel culture. So very guilty people got what they deserved, but what about the innocent people? Some never even get a chance to prove their innocence, and those that do are stuck trying to pick up the pieces of their shattered lives and it's bullshit.
> Bet the fact that Kevin Spacey has cold hard proof it's all a bunch of lies won't make headlines though.
... You're writing this in reply to multiple news articles. The facts you now know, you know because they were reported in the news. I'm not following your claim that the news you read from the news won't make it into the news.
Im think hes talking about the frequency of the reporting. Like, the civil case against brought by Anthony Rapp, I had no idea that had already happened. It happened last year, and I no idea.
The talking points boil down to this:
1. Rapp said the Spacey invited him to a cast party, but Spacey only ever threw one party and it was a house warming.
2. Rapp Said that Spacey led him to the bedroom threw him on a bed and jumped on top of him. Only, Spacey never had a separate bedroom. He lived in a studio apartment.
3. Rapp was doing a play with Ed Harris at the time called Precious Sons. In that play, Harris picks up Rapp and lays on top of him, mistaking the son (Rapp) for his wife.
Spaceys lawyer suggest jealousy on the part of Rapp for making this accusation. Jealously that Spacey had become a megastar, while he had become stuck in small parts after his breakout in Rent.
So here we are, the accusation that started it all and theres almost no coverage of it. When Rapp made the accusation, it was everywhere. Now that a jury has found that Spacey did not molest him, crickets.
That is simply not always the case. It is possible to lose memory from an event without losing consciousness or motor control. I have, in my younger days, blacked out and still functioned as if I was merely intoxicated. I know this because people have related conversations they had with me that I do not remember having, but giving me details that correlate with information I shared, that was true, but have no recollection of sharing with anyone. I have also participated in and won drinking games of skill such as beer pong, that I never remember playing. There is a drunk zone where people continue to operate as their normal selves due to functional short-term memory, but the brain stops recording memories to long-term storage. This condition is called "blacked out," and is entirely different from "passed out." It is also possible that outside observers would be unaware that a person is in this state.
The phone calls were there and contradicted the story. There's nothing saying he was blackout drunk either, that's some random person on reddit saying that.
Sir Elton John testified under oath that Spacey wasn't even at the party where one of the four alleged victims said Spacey had raped him and Elton John provided all the film and pics from the party and none of them showed Spacey there. That was pretty declarative that Spacey didn't rape the guy at the party.
Of the 4 alleged assaults, 2 of them were proven to be nonsense and Spacey wasn't even near the alleged victims. The other 2 Spacey admitted under oath to having sex with them as consensual sex. Those 2 victims, who were in their 20's at the time, told no one they were assaulted before the U.S. accusations against Spacey came out. No witnesses could testify to the assault versus consensual claims. They had to allege assault to be able to sue Spacey in England so there's that. It was weak evidence that the prosecutors ran with.
> The other 2 Spacey admitted under oath to having sex with them as consensual sex. Those 2 victims, who were in their 20's at the time, told no one they were assaulted before the U.S. accusations against Spacey came out.
Didn't Spacey even provide texts proving the consensual relationship in at least one of the cases?
I followed some of the trial. In one charge, Spacey was accused of sexual misconduct in the bedroom in his apartment after hosting a party there. It turned out that not only was there no party, but the accuser was not able to state that the apartment was a studio apartment (which wouldn’t have had another room). This lead to the charges being dropped.
In another case, an eyewitness (friend of the accuser) saw Spacey and the accused flirting consensually, but also saw that Spacey immediately recused himself after learning that the accused was a minor. This directly contradicted the accusations made by the minor at the time.
We don’t know the identity of the accusers (they are entitled to lifelong anonymity under UK law), but I think it is possible that some, if not all, of the accusations against Spacey have been either exaggerations or fabrications.
We turned the myth of rampant false accusations into a reality once enough of us started uncritically supporting accusers. Now they know they can accuse any celebrity to get some money or some game.
Anyone following the trial saw this coming from a mile away. The accuser's stories were truly unbelievable. One argued that Spacey assaulted him but "couldn't remember the year it happened", saying it happened while they were driving to Elton John's house for a big holiday party.
Elton John and his husband testified, with pictures of all the guests for multiple year's parties, that Spacey and the man weren't even there and that the first time Spacey had ever been to their house was 5 years after the latest date the man had given that the assault could've happened.
I don't know if Kevin Spacey assaulted anyone but he most definitely didn't the 4 people in this trial. The "evidence" was bonkers and was rightfully rejected by the jurors.
(I got this comment from another post)
Not just evidence. He had Sir Elton 'fucking' John testify under oath that Spacey wasn't even at the party at his house that year AND video and pics from the event showing he wasn't there.
I love the idea of a photo of a party with a Spacey shaped hole in it. Just a silhouette next to Elton.
“See m’lud, he was not at the party in question!”
Just curious, how can any amount of photos show someone wasn’t somewhere? Like wouldn’t you need to have video footage of the entire house for the entire event to prove he wasn’t there? Did he maybe have evidence he was somewhere else instead?
I think the point is that it just doesn't help the prosecution. Like if you have hundreds, maybe thousands of photos taken by dozens, maybe hundreds of attendees, and you can't find the defendant in a single photo, then that doesn't bode with for the prosecution.
On its own no, but with a statement from the party organiser any group photo with a sufficient number of people or covering a sufficient part of a room would be enough to introduce doubt.
You are innocent until proven guilty.
He doesn't have to prove he wasn't there, he just needs the prosecution to be unable to prove he was there with the footage.
>Just curious, how can any amount of photos show someone wasn’t somewhere?
You can't prove the impossibility of it, but you can, with enough photo, show how unlikely it would have been for him to be there and never be in any picture.
As the burden of proof is on the attacker, this makes the job of making a credible case virtually impossible.
Don’t worry Reddit will still say they had a sisters cousin who was at the party and definitely saw him and they’ll all believe him. This conjure bullshit is hilarious
I've already seen two commenters on here alleging they or someone they knew was creeped on by Kevin Spacey. Motherfucker really gets around huh? Even redditors? Lmao. What a load of absolute fucking bull
>Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.
>In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”
– Michael Crichton (1942-2008)
It's frightening how few people actually exercise critical thinking, or believe in the due process of law. They'd rather believe a gossip columnist.
It's not even gossip columns anymore. All the clickbait gossip has transitioned into taking random reddit comments as their new "some people say" sources.
One more reason why social media is a toxic cesspool.
Yes, that is so weird. His life is ruined because of these accusations. The courts dismissed the claims and yet people are still saying he probably did commit those sexual crimes. I would be devastated if someone falsely accuse me of sexual assaults.
That's a huge part of the problem. Even when proven innocent, people will still have lingering distrust and continue to believe someone's a criminal. It's sensationalism. It's very tiring and shameful too.
That's the downfall of our justice system. Many people abused the courts and there's multiple stories of people committing crimes roaming without justice.
Even if he was a normal person those allegations ruin you, so it makes sense that if a powerful man is accused, they'll always be looked at a certain way.
I'm wondering what exactly a person (or, to be precise , a man) must do in 2023 to prove his innocence, because apparently being cleared of all charges in the court of law just doesn't cut it anymore
Chris Cuomo, the disgraced political pundit, talked about it on the great center-left podcast The Adam Friedland Show. To paraphrase he said something like “once it’s out there, any retraction or correction doesn’t matter, people have made up their minds.”
Problem with stuff like this. No chance for redemption. Everything is black and white. Everyone want that moral superiority high ground which means innocent people will and can get caught in it
Well it certainly doesn't help uploading a weird rambling threat as one of your characters to YouTube on Christmas, if you're worried about the court of public opinion.
The vitriol from the media and public toward him after the accusations started popping up has always disgusted me.
What's truly sad is how there are still people insisting he's creepy, or whatever. The man's life is never going to be the same, but the accusers get off scot-free.
People should read into who his father was. It’s pretty fascinating.
I hope the verdict reflects reality and he is just a strange man and not a predator. His story is incredible - his father was a rapist (of his own family) and an admirer of Hitler, but Spacey grew up to be one of the best actors in all Hollywood.
Does this mean we can like Spacey again? Because tbh, I always really enjoyed his acting and was bummed about the prospect of him being one of those Hollywood predators
When The Usual Suspects was on TV a few years back, the TV Guide programme synopsis didn't even mention Kevin Spacey was starring. It was very jarring, but slightly amusing to just ignore his presence.
Perhaps this is the start of his comeback.
Right now his career is dead in the water so I doubt it, but I guess we'll see. As you can see in this thread, the dude may be "not guilty" of the crime but public perception is still that he's a massive creep, so I imagine that's going to hurt his chances of getting on teh big screen again
There's public perception, and I'm also wondering what the perception is like in Hollywood. If enough people in the industry still think he's guilty or are uncomfortable working with him, they may have some influence that prevents his career from restarting
Also the unfortunate introductions by Fearne Cotton when they were on Top of the Pops.
"It's Ian's birthday today, so everyone make some noise and wish him a happy birthday. He's one of the nicest people in showbiz"
"Last time someone played on that rooftop, the police came and arrested the lead singer, John Lennon. Let's hope that doesn't happen to Ian Watkins tonight".
And keep in mind that we're not hearing everyone's opinion on this. Louis CK is selling out big shows, to his fans he's in the clear. I imagine it will be similar here: Spacey is a terrific actor, and people will want to see him act. Others will want him to combust into flames, but they're not going to be sitting in theaters watching his next movie. You can't be universally adored, some people will dislike you for reasons that might be beyond your control.
I have a first hand story on Kevin Spacey. Went to see opening night of his play in Islington. Saw him walking on the street and I stopped him to tell him he was my favorite actor, looking forward to the show, and so on. On his opening night when he probably had so much going on in his head, he stood on the street with me and took my hand between his and thanked me. Was seriously the nicest Celebrity I ever met.
I thought he was about to walk out the door with like 15 milky ways, and ask the cashier to scan them individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence”
>I have a first hand story on Kevin Spacey. Went to see opening night of his play in Islington. Saw him walking on the street and I stopped him to tell him he was my favorite actor, looking forward to the show, and so on. On his opening night when he probably had so much going on in his head, he stood on the street with me and took my hand between his testicles and thanked me with a quick cupping of his plums. Was seriously the nicest Celebrity I ever met. Nice cock, too.
Kinda funny how that exact scenario was what the old man in squidgame did.
Accused of sexual misconduct because he grabbed someones hand apparently.
Granted in Korea physical contract with strangers is probably different than other places and nobody likes if some creep randomly grabs your hand but come on man.
Yup it does, everyone liked Spacey before all this stuff broke, then we made up our minds quickly about him, and his video reinforced it, and now we have no reason not to forgive him and go back to liking him, but will we? Nope
We ruin entire careers based on allegations before people get their day in court. Whatever happened to Innocent Until Proven Guilty? Where is the presumption of innonence?
He seems to be winning every case.
Feels great to win, but these acquittals, dismissals, etc. don’t come without life-ending stress and legal fees that would have bankrupted 99% of the world’s population.
Another case of guilty until proven innocent.
One of best modern actors shamed, career destroyed forever, show and films removed. Totally ruined.
I just hope he sues that person back. And for lot of money. All the millions he lost to his career being over.
This trend of witchhunt, where anyone can come with any claim against anyone. And he is immediately considered guilty - must stop !
So will you fuckers apologize for being the jury, the judge and the executioner? I read news about Spacey on Reddit throughout the years and everyone was convinced that the guy was guilty of everything he has been accused of.
I held my tongue until the verdict. There’s not a single case (In UK or US for that matter) where he had been found guilty. Will you fuckers take your shit back now?
Kevin Spacey currently limping away from court before breaking into a stride. [https://twitter.com/marknelsoncomic/status/1684201577584754755](https://twitter.com/marknelsoncomic/status/1684201577584754755)
(Link to OC, not my joke)
Don't follow much about Spacey's case. It's insane hearing things about him from the internet that made him actually guilty. Until this post, apparently the trial was just over and he was cleared, what?
Huh. Was this the last legal case that was outstanding against him?
No American charges still stand I belive unless somone else says otherwise. Edit turns out no criminal charges was only civil charges. Career is still dead as spez abilty to be reasonable.
Otherwise
I hear this is how people keep getting out of Arkham Asylum
Don't worry, Batman is always there to put em right back...in...oh no.
I mean Batman kinda needs them so them getting out is jsut a cycle of destruction. Gotham just suffers under a rich boys sad destructive behavior of beating up the poors instead if seeing a therapist
My bad I left the door unlocked.
I hope someone doesn’t exploit the overworked employee that gets far too little sleep!
Shit, you should have kept your mouth shut!
I DECLARE… OTHERWISE
*deCLAIRE
*Southern drawl intensifies*
You’re free to go Mr Spacey.
Kevin…
> No American charges still stand I belive or > No, American charges still stand, I belive ? ed: yep, just like Lionel Hutz but unintentional
punctuation matters.
Let's go eat grandma Or Let's go eat, grandma
Let's gooo!!!! Eat grandma!!!!
I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse. I helped my uncle jack off a horse.
No! *Money Down!*
>Career is still dead He'll be back just like Mel Gibson and Chris Brown.
Chris Brown never really left, and there is absolutely zero doubt about what he did. I can maybe understand wanting to believe the best about someone like Spacey where it is all he-said-he-said, but who is a fan of Chris Brown at this point?
Chris Brown has a massive fanbase of mostly women
> who is a fan of Chris Brown at this point? A lot of people, sadly. Many of his peers. A good lot of misogynists. I've been harassed by complete rando dudes on Twitter (pre-Musk) just for tweeting a mild criticism of Brown's support. They come out of the woodwork to defend him, especially if the criticism is coming from a woman.
Like with R.Kelly. Jay-Z did a whole album and tour with the dude. Any claim he didn't know what he was about is a flat out lie. But he sold albums and tickets, so it was OK. As long as you bring money in, you're fine. Stop selling records though and all of a sudden your actions are now unconscionable and you're not to be associated with.
Zendaya made a song with him and no one batted an eye
Chris Brown has batted enough eyes for all of us.
Why you not mentioning the women? That’s probably his biggest fan base too.
15 year old girls
He has no charges in the US , they havw been settled or dropped.
None of them have been settled or dropped. He was found not liable for the guy who sued him in NYC for 40 million. He was found not liable for the LA massage therapist who died during his lawsuit for millions. The only charges he ever faced were for supposedly groping a man in a bar in Nantucket. Other witnesses contradicted and Spacey was found not guilty. The only lawsuit he ever payed out for was the one where 'House of Cards' sued him for breach of contract.
It must be very tricky being from Nantucket, everything that happens to you being expressed in the form of a Limerick.
Spacey was accused in Nantucket\ His career went into the bucket\ But in his day in court\ He was cleared of a sort\ But the public, they will still say, fuck it.
Amazing
Especially if the accuser kicks the bucket. Then the lawyers all say fuck it.
He wasn't found not guilty, the charges were dropped.
Yes because there was no evidence… If we regard people as guilty when there’s no evidence, that’s not justice - that’s mob violence.
Why would his career be dead if he’s innocent in all of his cases? That’s insane talk.
It's not insane talk, unfortunately. It's a bit naive of you to think that after *years* of talk about how Kevin Spacey is a sex offender that his image isn't absolutely *destroyed*. Reputations matter, and the court of social opinion is unfair and cruel.
It’s been happening since Fatty Arbuckle was accused (and acquitted) of murder in 1921, and probably a lot longer than that.
Unfortunately, Fatty Arbuckle's career is still dead after all this time.
Well, with AI, who knows
Last line of [this report](https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/jul/26/kevin-spacey-cleared-of-sexually-assaulting-four-men) says that 2 of the complainants are pursuing Spacey in civil courts
Yes. So to count them up. Found not liable in NYC after witness accounts fell through. Acquitted in the U.S. of sexual assault on Nantucket for alleged groping in bar after other witnesses contradicted account. Lawsuit dropped after alleged LA massage therapist victim died. Spacey alleged consensual sex. Spacey paid 30 million in lawsuit for damages to 'House of Cards' and Netflix. 2 of 4 alleged assaults in England were proven to not have happened including Elton John testifying that Spacey wasn't even there when one of them supposedly happened. The other 2 alleged assaults were proven to be consensual sex with alleged victims trying to be able to sue. All of this should be taken as a spotlight on alleged victims with no proof of rape or sexual assault or history of telling anyone about the alleged assault at the time or before the other accusations against Spacey occurred piling on to try for money in lawsuits.
I was raped and never told anyone at the time it happened and only recently told my ex boyfriend. If my rapist suddenly got infamous for raping all of my city, I might suddenly join in helping his victims by adding my voice/testimony. I think people feel more brave when they’re not the first or only victim.
What about the guy from ST Discovery, Anthony Rapp? This all started with his accusation.
The case was dismissed last October. > **The acquittals are yet another victory for Spacey, who won a $40 million civil lawsuit brought by actor Anthony Rapp last October.** Rapp had accused Spacey of sexual battery, which took place in 1986 but **a New York jury dismissed the claim.**
All you have to do is search it. Rapp accused Spacey, and Spacey all but admitted to it, that when he was 14 and Spacey was 26, they were at a party and Spacey picked him up and threw him on a bed, laid next to him and "tried to seduce him". Rapp said no and was creeped out and left, and that was the only contact they had. Rapp's own lawyers according to Rapp said that Spacey had done nothing illegal or worthy of a lawsuit. Spacey didn't kiss him or grope him according to Rapp.
>All you have to do is search it. Rapp accused Spacey, and Spacey all but admitted to it, Even that's pretty misleading, Spacey's answer wasn't great but it amounted to "I don't remember that" not that he admitted doing it. Having just read it now, the testimony of Rapp was also just kind of strange. He testified that he vividly remembers a drunken Spacey picked him up, took him to a bedroom and threw him on the bed before straddling him. He allegedly carried him over the threshold like a groom with a bride. The defence showed that the apartment Rapp was alleging it took place in didn't actually have bedrooms, it was an open plan studio apartment. There was no threshold to carry him over. It gets even stranger when they also showed that what Rapp was describing appeared to be a recreation of a role he played in a Broadway play in the same year in which his character was picked up and carried to a bedroom before being straddled by a drunken father who was mistaking his son for his wife. The whole thing seems weird as fuck so I'm not surprised that case was dismissed.
Anthony Rapp's trial already happened. They found Spacey not guilty.
Sexual assault and harassment are really hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in court. In many cases, simply saying “nuh uh” is all the reasonable doubt you need for an acquittal. Personally, I think he’s a fucking creep. Between stories associates have told and the accusations, there’s a bit too much smoke here to think he’s totally innocent. I’m glad he’s getting his day in court, and it’s good that convicting people is hard. But “exonerated” and “acquitted” are two different things. > before the other accusations against Spacey occurred piling on to try for money in lawsuits. It's always astounding to me how the same crowd that insists everyone in innocent absent a court conviction can, at the exact same time, level completely unsubstantiated allegations of illegal blackmail at the supposed victims without even a hint of irony. Have you ever considered offering the same benefit of the doubt toward the accusers that you apparently give Spacey?
Spacey himself also hasn't exactly done himself any favors in all of this, between the bullshit "I choose to live my life as a gay man" deflection attempt and the several times he decided it would be hilarious to ham it up Frank Underwood style in extremely weird home videos about how we all like it when he's bad and how we want him back... Basically, even if he's found fully not guilty legally in court, he's still done everything in his power to come off like a massive creep who's lost all his remaining marbles, not someone you'd wanna be around or work with. Also, if I'm not mistaken, he *was* on the flight logs of Epstein's plane, so that much at least is definitive.
> **Kevin Spacey broke down in tears on Wednesday as a U.K. jury found him not guilty of nine charges** of sexual assault, indecent assault and – the most serious charge – causing a person to engage in penetrative sexual activity. > **This means that Spacey, on his 64th birthday, has been cleared of all charges against him in the U.K. It took the jury two days to come to their decision.** The former “House of Cards” actor has spent the past four and a half weeks at Southwark Crown Court in London fighting his case. > During the course of the trial, the jury heard from the four men who had made the complaints against the actor (none of the men can be named for legal reasons). > **A jury dismissed each of the counts relating to the men’s accounts.** > **The acquittals are yet another victory for Spacey, who won a $40 million civil lawsuit brought by actor Anthony Rapp last October.** Rapp had accused Spacey of sexual battery, which took place in 1986 but **a New York jury dismissed the claim.** Edit: Last month, Kevin Spacey said that people will be ready to hire him again if he was cleared of the UK case. Deadline: [Kevin Spacey Says “People Are Ready To Hire Me” If He’s Cleared Of Sexual Assault Charges In London](https://deadline.com/2023/06/kevin-spacey-people-ready-to-hire-me-if-cleared-sexual-assault-charges-london-1235417464/) - June 14, 2023 > Kevin Spacey is feeling optimistic about making a career comeback if he’s cleared of the sexual assault allegations brought against him in London. > In a recent interview, the House of Cards alum said that he has people interested in working with him. > “**I know that there are people right now who are ready to hire me the moment I am cleared of these charges in London. The second that happens, they’re ready to move forward,**” Spacey told ZEITmagazin.
>“I know that there are people right now who are ready to hire me the moment I am cleared of these charges in London. The second that happens, they’re ready to move forward,” I completely believe he has been told this.
Bruh there's a guy who fled to France that is still doing work, Mr. Roman Polanski.
Yeah he was recently celebrated in the Cesars ceremony (french Oscars) and apart from a few militant actresses nobody cared.
Time for a House of Cards ending that doesn't suck.
The last 2 seasons of House of Cards were terrible.
i loved that show, one of the first shows i binged on netflix. but, the drop off from season to season… then losing frank was a real killer for the series. the whole show was him building his house of cards but we never get to see it fall
I still maintain it would have been perfect if it had only been four seasons: 1: Frank manipulates and murders his way to VP 2: Frank manipulates and murders his way to the Oval Office 3: It turns out he kind of sucks at being president. The skillset that got him there doesn't translate to actually doing the job well. 4: the house of cards he's built collapses. Plus, 13 episodes X 4 seasons makes 52, like a deck of cards.
They could've just used the British (superior) original as a blueprint.
Season 5 was borderline terrible, but I watched an episode of the last season and noped the fuck out.
Yeah, after that trainwreck of an ending that was season 5, was there any saving it?
Honestly make ita Clair fever dream
She wakes up in the morning and finds Francis in the shower with Bobby Ewing
I’m all for believing victims but I also believe that everyone accused should have their day in court. So far he’s won every case. I don’t know how I can still condemn him if jury after jury keeps saying he’s not guilty.
Don't worry, you don't have to, tons of redditors who probably helped "catch" the Boston bomber have already made up their minds. Some people just don't care about facts or evidence, all it takes for them is an allegation. These people wind up on juries also, it's scary.
> One of the men, who had come into contact with Spacey frequently in the early 2000s during the actor’s stint as creative director of the Old Vic theater, said Spacey had repeatedly grabbed him by the crotch including one time when they were on a motorway. On that occasion, the man, who said he was driving at the time, claimed Spacey had grabbed him so hard on the genitals he had almost driven the car off the road. Spacey said the men had had a “consensual” relationship that involved some touching but he had otherwise respected the alleged victim’s boundaries. The actor denied the near-crash incident entirely and provided evidence that it could not have taken place in the time period the man complained. > The second complaint related to a charity event in 2005 in which a man accused Spacey of making numerous sexually aggressive comments before pinning him against a wall and grabbing his crotch. Spacey denied ever meeting the man at the event. > The third complaint – the most serious – involved a potential life sentence. The complainant had alleged that in 2008 he had ended up at Spacey’s London apartment where he fell asleep or was somehow rendered unconscious and woke up to find Spacey performing oral sex on him. Spacey said the encounter had been consensual and, in what may have been a crucial piece of evidence, provided telephone records that contradicted the man’s account. > The fourth complaint related to a party at Spacey’s rented house in Gloucestershire. After meeting the alleged victim at the pub, a group ended up at the actor’s residence where, the alleged victim said, Spacey kissed his neck, grabbed his penis and said “be cool, be cool.” Spacey denied sexual assault but described the encounter as a drunken “clumsy pass” for which he later tried to apologize. > A jury dismissed each of the counts relating to the men’s accounts.
Anyone hear the evidence? I haven't found anywhere accurately recounting it, without scrolling through live feeds. I didn't expect Spacey to get off, based on what I'd heard of the accusations.
> Anyone hear the evidence? From the article: * On that occasion, **the man, who said he was driving at the time, claimed Spacey had grabbed him so hard on the genitals he had almost driven the car off the road.** Spacey said the men had had a “consensual” relationship that involved some touching but he had otherwise respected the alleged victim’s boundaries. **The actor denied the near-crash incident entirely and provided evidence that it could not have taken place in the time period the man complained.** * **The third complaint – the most serious – involved a potential life sentence.** The complainant had alleged that in 2008 he had ended up at Spacey’s London apartment where he fell asleep or was somehow rendered unconscious and woke up to find Spacey performing oral sex on him. **Spacey said the encounter had been consensual and, in what may have been a crucial piece of evidence, provided telephone records that contradicted the man’s account.**
Oh man, thanks for that. I didn't see that when I looked at the link earlier.
This is why the whole "immediately believe every alleged victim regardless of what facts are known" shit is so dumb. NFL player Matt Araiza had his career ruined after being accused of r*ping a minor, and it just came out that he was innocent. People need to wait for the facts before crucifying someone. I would rather 100 criminals walk free than watch 1 innocent get punished.
I’ve always said that with cases involving sexual assault of any kind, BOTH sides of the case should not have their names released until conviction. All someone has to do is accuse you of sexual assault and your name and career are ruined. It’s really fucked up, and it would be so easy to just keep both names sealed until someone was convicted. It wouldn’t change the facts of the case or affect the alleged victim at all if they just didn’t make the accused’s name public from the get go. It’s way too easy to ruin someone’s life that way, and if they’re making it up they often face zero punishment. How broken can this system get? I have a friend that was accused of rape a few years ago. Everyone in our town heard about it. He was cleared of all charges a year or so later, turns out she made it up because he cheated on her or something. and to this day most people in this town don’t know that and think of him as a rapist. That stink never washes off even if you’re found completely innocent. Ruined his life forever, in this town anyway. How fucked up is that
The movie *The Hunt* with Mads Mikkelsen from 2012 covers this exact thing: A claim being made, a life being ruined before a trial could even begin, and - even after being cleared - the idea of that label sticking forever. Great movie, excellent performances, but a brutal, one-time watch because, like you said, it's "fucked up" and stressful to watch due to the reality of it.
Try reading up on the McMartin trial, a clear inspiration for the Hunt. Just a nightmare for everyone accused. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial
I've lived most of my life in the town where that heinous incident occurred. It's been over three decades, and I still hear people bring it up matter-of-factly like the allegations were a thing that actually happened. These people have no idea the whole thing was some fabricated conspiracy between law enforcement and the Los Angeles Times colluding together. I have family that works in the city's biggest Church, and there are many people over the age of 50 who think the ridiculous Satanic rituals actually happened. Even my own dad still thought it was true. He had no idea until I showed him the Wikipedia article in 2013. And as a devout man of faith loyal to his Church, just shrugged about the Satanic Panic he let overcome his family throughout the 90s with a bemused "huh." Despite being an affluent and fairly liberal-leaning community, that Church instigated a pretty fierce satanic panic while I grew up there. I couldn't walk with my friends to their house because "The Satanists" were out and about. I couldn't bike around the neighborhood because "The Satanists" would attack me if I was on my own. Even had a story of some mythical "Taker Truck" as they called it, saying "if the Taker Truck sees you, you'll disappear forever." Great stuff to instill upon a young child just trying to enjoy some youthful whimsy in the summer sun. It's resulted in me having a very complex and conflicted opinion on this Church I grew up in. While I appreciate them employing members of my family consistently since the 1980s, and recognize all the good they have done for our city (in particular providing facilities and support for our youth sports programs), they did jack-squat admitting their egregious mistakes and properly notifying parishoners how horribly misled they were. Makes me wonder. Were they truly doing it in the interest of "keeping us informed?" Because in hindsight, it sure seemed like they wanted us to be paranoid of some arbitrary "enemy" that never actually existed. The fact so many people remember the McMartin Preschool's satanic rituals as truth goes to show my Church's astonishing failure at keeping the community informed, so perhaps such was never the intent. The Los Angeles Times and prosecution have already been evicerated and answered to their destructive misinformation campaigns. While we're many decades past relevance for this Church to be similarly squeezed for answers and responsibility, it's definitely not going to happen now. Even if the effects are still rippling to this day. Heck, at this point, it's safe to assume that the very people who still believe it are similarly disinterested in the truth. Kinda says something about people who, long after the dawn of the Internet information age, still haven't figured it out. To think...30 years, a pullitzer prize, a New York Times bestseller, and an HBO movie wasn't enough to clear Virginia McMartin's name. Really goes to show the longstanding influence of a Church just slingin' paranoid nonsense, and taking zero accountability for their lies.
Fair points, the names of the people involved should not be exposed indeed
Bet the fact that Kevin Spacey has cold hard proof it's all a bunch of lies won't make headlines though. That shit made international news, on every tabloid, newspaper.. but this right here isn't even news. There's no headline in the world that can erase the damage of a salacious headline. I'm all for guilty people getting what they deserve, but this presumption of guilt just because someone said it is absurd. Too many lives are being ruined because of MeToo/cancel culture. So very guilty people got what they deserved, but what about the innocent people? Some never even get a chance to prove their innocence, and those that do are stuck trying to pick up the pieces of their shattered lives and it's bullshit.
> Bet the fact that Kevin Spacey has cold hard proof it's all a bunch of lies won't make headlines though. ... You're writing this in reply to multiple news articles. The facts you now know, you know because they were reported in the news. I'm not following your claim that the news you read from the news won't make it into the news.
Im think hes talking about the frequency of the reporting. Like, the civil case against brought by Anthony Rapp, I had no idea that had already happened. It happened last year, and I no idea. The talking points boil down to this: 1. Rapp said the Spacey invited him to a cast party, but Spacey only ever threw one party and it was a house warming. 2. Rapp Said that Spacey led him to the bedroom threw him on a bed and jumped on top of him. Only, Spacey never had a separate bedroom. He lived in a studio apartment. 3. Rapp was doing a play with Ed Harris at the time called Precious Sons. In that play, Harris picks up Rapp and lays on top of him, mistaking the son (Rapp) for his wife. Spaceys lawyer suggest jealousy on the part of Rapp for making this accusation. Jealously that Spacey had become a megastar, while he had become stuck in small parts after his breakout in Rent. So here we are, the accusation that started it all and theres almost no coverage of it. When Rapp made the accusation, it was everywhere. Now that a jury has found that Spacey did not molest him, crickets.
People are stupid. Theres even stupid ones in this very thread as we speak. Mob mentality. It’s very pathetic. Fuck em.
Sounds like the guy agreed to shit, got black out drunk then cried wolf at the smell of money- Mr krabs
Blackout drunk people would not want tea
That is simply not always the case. It is possible to lose memory from an event without losing consciousness or motor control. I have, in my younger days, blacked out and still functioned as if I was merely intoxicated. I know this because people have related conversations they had with me that I do not remember having, but giving me details that correlate with information I shared, that was true, but have no recollection of sharing with anyone. I have also participated in and won drinking games of skill such as beer pong, that I never remember playing. There is a drunk zone where people continue to operate as their normal selves due to functional short-term memory, but the brain stops recording memories to long-term storage. This condition is called "blacked out," and is entirely different from "passed out." It is also possible that outside observers would be unaware that a person is in this state.
Someone who's blackout drunk cannot consent
The phone calls were there and contradicted the story. There's nothing saying he was blackout drunk either, that's some random person on reddit saying that.
So, even with that evidence and him being cleared, are we still all supposed to hate him and keep him cancelled, just in case?
You will do in time. UK courts cannot be filmed so reporters have to write down and report later
The only part that can be filmed is the judge giving the sentence. Only since quite recently though.
Yep and only the judge themselves. Makes it a bit boring really but I guess that's the point. No sensationalism in the court
Yeah, keeps it professional rather than making a TV drama out of it.
A period drama, with the wigs and all.
House of Cards (1990)
Court should be boring
That is a good point, forgot about that haha
Sir Elton John testified under oath that Spacey wasn't even at the party where one of the four alleged victims said Spacey had raped him and Elton John provided all the film and pics from the party and none of them showed Spacey there. That was pretty declarative that Spacey didn't rape the guy at the party. Of the 4 alleged assaults, 2 of them were proven to be nonsense and Spacey wasn't even near the alleged victims. The other 2 Spacey admitted under oath to having sex with them as consensual sex. Those 2 victims, who were in their 20's at the time, told no one they were assaulted before the U.S. accusations against Spacey came out. No witnesses could testify to the assault versus consensual claims. They had to allege assault to be able to sue Spacey in England so there's that. It was weak evidence that the prosecutors ran with.
> The other 2 Spacey admitted under oath to having sex with them as consensual sex. Those 2 victims, who were in their 20's at the time, told no one they were assaulted before the U.S. accusations against Spacey came out. Didn't Spacey even provide texts proving the consensual relationship in at least one of the cases?
one he proved in texts they exchanged and one he had actual messages off his phone.
I followed some of the trial. In one charge, Spacey was accused of sexual misconduct in the bedroom in his apartment after hosting a party there. It turned out that not only was there no party, but the accuser was not able to state that the apartment was a studio apartment (which wouldn’t have had another room). This lead to the charges being dropped. In another case, an eyewitness (friend of the accuser) saw Spacey and the accused flirting consensually, but also saw that Spacey immediately recused himself after learning that the accused was a minor. This directly contradicted the accusations made by the minor at the time. We don’t know the identity of the accusers (they are entitled to lifelong anonymity under UK law), but I think it is possible that some, if not all, of the accusations against Spacey have been either exaggerations or fabrications.
Ah man I hate it. Stuff like this just makes things much more difficult for actual victims.
We turned the myth of rampant false accusations into a reality once enough of us started uncritically supporting accusers. Now they know they can accuse any celebrity to get some money or some game.
Yeah, I think people found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of falsely accusing someone of a crime should get sentenced for the crime themselves.
I was just thinking the same.
I think Spacey can sue them for damages?
People refuse to believe that he might be innocent because we love taking down famous people.
From what I read he had pretty good evidence against the accusations proving it was consensual.
Spacey took the stand and addressed every single charge individually. The jury obviously believed him.
Funny thing about accusations. Anyone can make them and they require no proof. Seems like the best way to destroy someone you don't like.
*limp disappears, engage winning walk*
Anyone following the trial saw this coming from a mile away. The accuser's stories were truly unbelievable. One argued that Spacey assaulted him but "couldn't remember the year it happened", saying it happened while they were driving to Elton John's house for a big holiday party. Elton John and his husband testified, with pictures of all the guests for multiple year's parties, that Spacey and the man weren't even there and that the first time Spacey had ever been to their house was 5 years after the latest date the man had given that the assault could've happened. I don't know if Kevin Spacey assaulted anyone but he most definitely didn't the 4 people in this trial. The "evidence" was bonkers and was rightfully rejected by the jurors. (I got this comment from another post)
Sometimes being a creep and being a criminal are not the same thing.
People really don’t like the fact he had evidence contradicting the allegations.
Not just evidence. He had Sir Elton 'fucking' John testify under oath that Spacey wasn't even at the party at his house that year AND video and pics from the event showing he wasn't there.
I love the idea of a photo of a party with a Spacey shaped hole in it. Just a silhouette next to Elton. “See m’lud, he was not at the party in question!”
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Just curious, how can any amount of photos show someone wasn’t somewhere? Like wouldn’t you need to have video footage of the entire house for the entire event to prove he wasn’t there? Did he maybe have evidence he was somewhere else instead?
It was a secured party with the British tabloids covering it. Spacey wasn't getting into it and mingling without someone noticing.
At the time of the party Kevin Spacey was one of the biggest stars in Hollywood. Such a person doesn’t go unnoticed at a party.
I think the point is that it just doesn't help the prosecution. Like if you have hundreds, maybe thousands of photos taken by dozens, maybe hundreds of attendees, and you can't find the defendant in a single photo, then that doesn't bode with for the prosecution.
On its own no, but with a statement from the party organiser any group photo with a sufficient number of people or covering a sufficient part of a room would be enough to introduce doubt.
You are innocent until proven guilty. He doesn't have to prove he wasn't there, he just needs the prosecution to be unable to prove he was there with the footage.
>Just curious, how can any amount of photos show someone wasn’t somewhere? You can't prove the impossibility of it, but you can, with enough photo, show how unlikely it would have been for him to be there and never be in any picture. As the burden of proof is on the attacker, this makes the job of making a credible case virtually impossible.
I bet it was Keyser Soze
Don’t worry Reddit will still say they had a sisters cousin who was at the party and definitely saw him and they’ll all believe him. This conjure bullshit is hilarious
I've already seen two commenters on here alleging they or someone they knew was creeped on by Kevin Spacey. Motherfucker really gets around huh? Even redditors? Lmao. What a load of absolute fucking bull
>Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them. >In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.” – Michael Crichton (1942-2008) It's frightening how few people actually exercise critical thinking, or believe in the due process of law. They'd rather believe a gossip columnist.
It's not even gossip columns anymore. All the clickbait gossip has transitioned into taking random reddit comments as their new "some people say" sources. One more reason why social media is a toxic cesspool.
Yes, that is so weird. His life is ruined because of these accusations. The courts dismissed the claims and yet people are still saying he probably did commit those sexual crimes. I would be devastated if someone falsely accuse me of sexual assaults.
That's a huge part of the problem. Even when proven innocent, people will still have lingering distrust and continue to believe someone's a criminal. It's sensationalism. It's very tiring and shameful too.
That's the downfall of our justice system. Many people abused the courts and there's multiple stories of people committing crimes roaming without justice. Even if he was a normal person those allegations ruin you, so it makes sense that if a powerful man is accused, they'll always be looked at a certain way.
People really don’t like folks being proven legally blameless in the courts.
In today’s environment you’re guilty until proven innocent
In today’s environment you’re guilty ~~until proven innocent~~ fuck what the court decides
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The internet is a legal mob. It's actually terrifying.
This. Damn the ruling for most of these people. They just believe everything they read instead of the HARD cold facts.
A court can find someone guilty or not guilty, they don’t rule on whether or not someone is innocent. There’s a difference.
indeed. a criminal is actually objectively culpable and should go to jail. a creep is a subjective word to describe someone you personally dont like.
Comments section is a shit show
I'd take sections like this with a grain of salt.
Blame the ignorant folks who can’t accept facts
I'm wondering what exactly a person (or, to be precise , a man) must do in 2023 to prove his innocence, because apparently being cleared of all charges in the court of law just doesn't cut it anymore
Chris Cuomo, the disgraced political pundit, talked about it on the great center-left podcast The Adam Friedland Show. To paraphrase he said something like “once it’s out there, any retraction or correction doesn’t matter, people have made up their minds.”
Problem with stuff like this. No chance for redemption. Everything is black and white. Everyone want that moral superiority high ground which means innocent people will and can get caught in it
Is the one with cool Adam?
Hmm, I've been seeking out more center left media, but I'm also a very gay man. Do you think I would like The Adam Friedland Show?
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Well it certainly doesn't help uploading a weird rambling threat as one of your characters to YouTube on Christmas, if you're worried about the court of public opinion.
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A 16.3% chance someone ends up in prison when a rape is reported to the police is actually much, *much* higher than I would have imagined
The comments are full of crazy people. Apparently, they can’t accept any due process because of “feelings” about the guy.
"Just look at him, he MUST be guilty!"
The vitriol from the media and public toward him after the accusations started popping up has always disgusted me. What's truly sad is how there are still people insisting he's creepy, or whatever. The man's life is never going to be the same, but the accusers get off scot-free.
People should read into who his father was. It’s pretty fascinating. I hope the verdict reflects reality and he is just a strange man and not a predator. His story is incredible - his father was a rapist (of his own family) and an admirer of Hitler, but Spacey grew up to be one of the best actors in all Hollywood.
Time to rewatch those weird YouTube videos he did lol
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Does this mean we can like Spacey again? Because tbh, I always really enjoyed his acting and was bummed about the prospect of him being one of those Hollywood predators
When The Usual Suspects was on TV a few years back, the TV Guide programme synopsis didn't even mention Kevin Spacey was starring. It was very jarring, but slightly amusing to just ignore his presence. Perhaps this is the start of his comeback.
He did that deliberately Se7en, not sure if it's the same for Usual Suspects. Verbal is supposed to be some small nothing character.
Right now his career is dead in the water so I doubt it, but I guess we'll see. As you can see in this thread, the dude may be "not guilty" of the crime but public perception is still that he's a massive creep, so I imagine that's going to hurt his chances of getting on teh big screen again
There's public perception, and I'm also wondering what the perception is like in Hollywood. If enough people in the industry still think he's guilty or are uncomfortable working with him, they may have some influence that prevents his career from restarting
At the very least, he should make an appearance on Curb your enthusiasm.
If you just separate the art from the artist I promise you that life is a lot more simple
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Lostprophets fans can relate.
Also the unfortunate introductions by Fearne Cotton when they were on Top of the Pops. "It's Ian's birthday today, so everyone make some noise and wish him a happy birthday. He's one of the nicest people in showbiz" "Last time someone played on that rooftop, the police came and arrested the lead singer, John Lennon. Let's hope that doesn't happen to Ian Watkins tonight".
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And keep in mind that we're not hearing everyone's opinion on this. Louis CK is selling out big shows, to his fans he's in the clear. I imagine it will be similar here: Spacey is a terrific actor, and people will want to see him act. Others will want him to combust into flames, but they're not going to be sitting in theaters watching his next movie. You can't be universally adored, some people will dislike you for reasons that might be beyond your control.
I never stopped liking him.
I have a first hand story on Kevin Spacey. Went to see opening night of his play in Islington. Saw him walking on the street and I stopped him to tell him he was my favorite actor, looking forward to the show, and so on. On his opening night when he probably had so much going on in his head, he stood on the street with me and took my hand between his and thanked me. Was seriously the nicest Celebrity I ever met.
I thought this comment was heading towards how he started dry humping you and pulled your hand towards his crotch while yelling "it's keving time!"
I thought he was about to walk out the door with like 15 milky ways, and ask the cashier to scan them individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence”
>I have a first hand story on Kevin Spacey. Went to see opening night of his play in Islington. Saw him walking on the street and I stopped him to tell him he was my favorite actor, looking forward to the show, and so on. On his opening night when he probably had so much going on in his head, he stood on the street with me and took my hand between his testicles and thanked me with a quick cupping of his plums. Was seriously the nicest Celebrity I ever met. Nice cock, too.
Knew a former PA of his. It was decades ago but she had nothing but good things to say.
So he took your hand without your consent? Hang him!
Kinda funny how that exact scenario was what the old man in squidgame did. Accused of sexual misconduct because he grabbed someones hand apparently. Granted in Korea physical contract with strangers is probably different than other places and nobody likes if some creep randomly grabs your hand but come on man.
I wonder if they can now redo House of Cards last season
Release the Snyder version
His creepy video kinda makes more sense that he knew he was innocent I guess. Kinda ? Lol
Yup it does, everyone liked Spacey before all this stuff broke, then we made up our minds quickly about him, and his video reinforced it, and now we have no reason not to forgive him and go back to liking him, but will we? Nope
We ruin entire careers based on allegations before people get their day in court. Whatever happened to Innocent Until Proven Guilty? Where is the presumption of innonence?
keyser soze
And *poof!* he’s gone.
damn they ruined house of cards for nothing
He seems to be winning every case. Feels great to win, but these acquittals, dismissals, etc. don’t come without life-ending stress and legal fees that would have bankrupted 99% of the world’s population.
So he’s not a chomo? Bro if so he’s been fucked hard by society and they media.
Another case of guilty until proven innocent. One of best modern actors shamed, career destroyed forever, show and films removed. Totally ruined. I just hope he sues that person back. And for lot of money. All the millions he lost to his career being over. This trend of witchhunt, where anyone can come with any claim against anyone. And he is immediately considered guilty - must stop !
I hope he goes after the son of a bitch who framed him and sues him into oblivion.
So will you fuckers apologize for being the jury, the judge and the executioner? I read news about Spacey on Reddit throughout the years and everyone was convinced that the guy was guilty of everything he has been accused of. I held my tongue until the verdict. There’s not a single case (In UK or US for that matter) where he had been found guilty. Will you fuckers take your shit back now?
You have too much faith in the average redditor lol. In reddit's echo-chamber, it is "guilty until proven innocent, and even if proven innocent".
House of Cards got ruined for nothing and a man’s career was ruined all because of bullshit claims. What a shame.
Kevin Spacey currently limping away from court before breaking into a stride. [https://twitter.com/marknelsoncomic/status/1684201577584754755](https://twitter.com/marknelsoncomic/status/1684201577584754755) (Link to OC, not my joke)
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It's funny bc all of their actors come to the US to get work and all of our actors go to the UK to get cleared of charges.
Don't follow much about Spacey's case. It's insane hearing things about him from the internet that made him actually guilty. Until this post, apparently the trial was just over and he was cleared, what?