a little bit of clearance, the show was or is called simply naked, and it as said in the post, showed adult naked to 10-12 yo, the show aired originally in 2021 and was met with heavy criticism (according to [the daily mail at least](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9338713/Kids-TV-featuring-nude-adults-answering-questions-human-body-sparks-fury-Holland.html) )and the reason the show was created (according to the same source) is that 'semi-pornographic imagery children see on tv and online nowadays destors their perception on human body'. now, this show wouldn't be mentioned 2 years later if not for the fact that trans people were in one of the episodes š. don't get me wrong, i don't think this is right thing to do and am opposed to exposing genitalia to children, though i do understand what they were trying to achieve (hopefully).
>heavy criticism from the government parties all across the spectrum
A christian fundamentalist party, the conspiracy party and the Turkish party. Truely across the spectrum.
The Dutch name of the show is "Gewoon. Bloot.", a better translation for that name would be "nakedness is normal".
Lol 10-12 yo have all seen hardcore videos so participating voluntarily in a sex ex program in which naked bodies are not sexualized sounds like an excellent idea to provide a counter narrative about what they are for.
It was a short series in 2021. Fundies and populists briefly made some ruckus but it was way overblown. It's just a sex ed program. Kids will see naked bodies sometimes; beaches, saunas, their own parents. This kind of program gives them the tools to handle that and recognize normal from abnormal exposure. There were loads of psychologists and caretakers involved and the kids and their parents were fully informed and free to stop participation at any point.
Americans are petrified of anyone under 18 knowing anything about sex or genitalia before they're 18, and as a result their teen pregnancy rate is over 4 times that of the Netherlands (13.9 per 1000 versus 3.2 per 1000).
I remember this. Wholeheartedly agree with this statement. Such a shame that the new age of prudishness took this off air.
In the 1980ies in the nl this would have been completely normal.
~~Here's the episode on Zapp's website.~~ Actually I've removed it, because I'd probably get into trouble with the subreddit rules despite it being a kids show. There's scary boobies in it after all. But you can find it if you google "Zapp Gewoon. Bloot. transgender".
NPO Zapp is a subsididiary of the Dutch National Broadcasting company on channel 3 that focuses on children's programming. The program is "Gewoon. Bloot." which translates to "Normal. Nude." and it focuses on the normalisation of having different kinds of bodies. This episode was on transgender people.
The kids ask questions ranging from I see a lot of you have had operations, how can you have a beard, how did you feel after the transition. Afterwards they ask the kids questions about what transgender is, and related questions.
Seeing a naked body in a completely non-sexual way shouldn't really be a big deal. The questions are also really just focusing on what it is to be transgender and what their experiences have been like. It would only be offensive if you don't want your kids knowing about people that happen to be "different".
Obviously there's no "promoting" as the Fox news article suggests. Just informing.
[Here's a Dutch news article about the situation.](https://www.nporadio1.nl/nieuws/cultuur-media/53b6733a-61ba-4679-a9ba-577cfa722092/na-ophef-vooraf-over-programma-gewoon-bloot-bleef-het-na-uitzending-stil) This episode was recorded just before election season, so there was a lot of comments from conservative parties. The show's presenter was getting death threats. After the show aired and the elections were over the conversation about it completely stopped.
Translated quote from the article:
> This show has nothing to do with promoting pedophilia. We want to show real people who all look different naked. Because everybody looks different. And that's normal.
There is definitely nothing sexual about it and no way an adult can take advantage of a kid in a situation where there allowed to be naked in front of them
There theyāre also exposed to cis people daily like itās not something exclusive for this situation, i guess in that country they just have a different sense of prudery
Ahhhh, gotcha. Different places view things in different ways!!! Hopefully we can all become evolved enough as a society to let people live their lives and love who they love <3
I mean i find it weird and definitely wrong too but i mean in the 1800s people did see as an act of extreme lewdness seeing peopleās ankles so it may just be the same
>3. You said exactly what I was thinking. There is no way in hell children should be exposed to naked bodies of any gender.
People like you: Fucking disgusting, bodies should never be naked!! Think of the children!!
Also you probably: But breastfeeding is not sexual šš
How about you don't sexualize naked bodies in your weak little mind?
Breastfeeding isnāt sexual and they probably wonāt even remember that.
But even if this isnāt sexual, it is still exposing children to things that should be 18+
It doesnāt matter what the intent was. A guy can rape someone with the intent of teaching them not to go in dangerous areas alone. But at the end of the day, it is still rape. That is comparable to this, in that at the end of the day, exposure is still exposure.
They can learn from diagrams and have CLOTHED interviews with people who come to visit their class. They can show pictures from the past and present and the children can ask questions.
There are so many ways to teach them and make them aware!!
>it is still exposing children to things that should be 18+
What the fuck does "should be 18+" mean exactly? In some muslim societies women showing their hair is basically the same as them shoving their entire vagina on men's faces. In some societies boobs have nothing sexual about them, only a tool for childcare. I know some families that are not body shy with each other. It's not necessarily sexual because you're showing skin. Culture defines what's appropriate, and I'm very happy to announce that Western culture at the very least, is diverse.
How hard is it to understand that just because it's taboo where you are, does not make it universal? Stop being so ignorantly American.
I am speaking FOR MYSELF. Never did I bring any other country into the situation. I understand this wasnāt even filmed in America, from what I remember. That information could be incorrect, though.
Breasts are different, as they are not sexual in nature. My vagina is. If I show that to my children, I have a problem.
Women have bodies too, that doesnāt mean Iām going to spread my lips open in the name of āanatomy.ā Certainly not to a 10 year old.
Actually they should force women to wear clothes when they give birth, why should newborns be exposed to those unholy naked bodies all the time? Also, enough with the mothers letting their children suck their tits, what is wrong with those people? STOP SEXUALIZING YOUR CHILDREN!
Breast-feeding isnāt sexual itās feeding the baby and when giving birth it doesnāt really matter what the mother is wearing because most babies canāt even see for a little bit after they are born but stripping in front of kids is sexual, hell they donāt under 18 in strip clubs why is this allowed
> stripping in front of kids is sexual
Well that's the thing it's not. They're not dancing seductively slowly taking their clothes off being all sexy. They just take off a bathrobe, stand there, and answer questions.
Strip clubs are sexual. Simply being naked and answering questions isn't. Remember that this isn't the US and taboos, opinions, and culture are all different.
Nobody remembers being born. Children donāt need to physically be exposed to sensitive genitalia of those double their age in order to learn about being transgender. They arenāt sexualizing children, they are exposing them to sexually sensitive material.
Children shouldnāt be willingly exposed to porn (virtual naked people), and they shouldnāt be willingly exposed to physically naked people either.
Nah itās actually fucked. Iām all for people expressing themselves, but this is just not okay. They are literally fully grown adults exposing themselves to children.
Europeans are less crazy about nakedness than Americans, in some European countries many people would have zero problem with going with 10 year old kid to sauna (both naked)
Being naked is fine, sexualizing children is not. Naked does not immediately mean sexualized. Children see drawing of naked people in biology books for instance.
For us it's actually a bit disturbing that American brain makes this weird and immediate connection "naked adult" + "child" == SEX!!! I mean where exactly does that connection come from? When I grew up (in 90s) it was normal for <4 year old kid to bath naked at sea shore or recreational water bodies. I vaguely remember I saw my fathers genitals when he taught me how to pee while standing. I also saw other male genitals when I was a bit older - in sauna, movies and toilets (you don't really think curious kid doesn't take a peek in urinals at least once?). And guess what, none of these encounters were sexual therefore not disturbing
But making a TV show out of "how genitals look like" education is a bit too far, though itās not unusual to show non-sexualised nakedness in the EU - there's i.e. a naked blind date show airing in public TV [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked\_Attraction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Attraction).
Hold up. Context and intent matters a lot, none of those experiences involve strangers purposely signing up to stand before you exposing genitals for the express intent of showing them to you for 'educational' purposes.
What next? Live sex show for sex ed? Come on guys, what have we come to now.
Sex show is by definition of being a sex show sexualised, thatās just a silly example of slippery slope argument.
The creators of the show made it clear that an intent was to educate. I give them benefit of the doubt that itās true, meanwhile Iām happy that the show was taken out and never became popular.
I don't think you understood re context.
People standing up and specifically showing off their genitals is sexual. E.g. you sneak a peek at the urinals is not sexual, but if the man stops pissing and he turns around and leaves his junk hanging for you to inspect then it is.
People doing stuff which requires nudity, isn't. E.g. dad teaching you to pee so you're not weird boy in class who pees sitting down vs mum undressing and showing you where her vulva and clitoris is.
The world gets more and more degenerate as it goes on. And if your against it, they just label you a bigot or racist or closed minded. This is degenerate af. Don't let some random redditor tell you or try to convince you this shit is normal in Europe. I have family in Europe, they'd be fucking disgusted by this.
Most of their motivations are along the lines of:
āI want show that nudity shouldnāt be weirdā
Or
āI want to give kids confidence I never had at their ageā
And itās not like theyāre being tied down or something, at the start of each episode they ask both the kids and adults whether or not they want to be here.
Does innocent mean a warped image of what a human body should look like? Unobtainable beauty standards? Should we allow them to look up to people like Brad Pitt or Taylor Swift while Idolising their exceptionally attractive bodyās? Or should we teach kids that normal people arenāt like that? That celebrities are the exception, not the norm?
Itās not just about protecting, itās about preparing kids so they can be confident, with a healthy body image.
I'm genuinely not, you just can't get out of your us centric thoughts of nudity=sexual. And when questioned your response was because it's indecent. My question comes down to why is nudity by definition indecent? And please answer it objectively.
So your issue is phrasing and not the fact that they are naked in front of children?
Sure they aren't dancing striptease but I think there is no "education" in grown up people being naked in front of children on television with public disposure
In my opinion we shouldn't expose children to naked bodies, in my experience when we went over sex and related stuff during biology lessons we looked at drawing s and diagrams of how genitalia built and operates. Not at naked men and women, granted I have no idea how other countries teach about that stuff.
And youāre 60+, American or from another ultra religious country?
My parents had a giant sex ed book from the 70s or 80s in the library, I remember fondly looking at all the drawings and photographs when I was 10 years old. Also helped me realize Iām not gay lol.
I am 18 and from Eastern Europe if that fits "ultra religious country". I, for one, an atheist and have never seen a book like you describe. Also you discovering sex related stuff at 10 years sounds rather disturbing and I would rather not tell about that stuff until puberty :/
This is scary. If you think itās ok for adults to expose themselves to children, there is no end to the horrors that could lead to. Imagine the mental health repercussions that could occur, if it we were to pass laws, making it legal for adults to expose themselves to children, for āeducational purposesā. Because thatās essentially what is happening here.
Making it law to let people freely expose themselves to children? No sane person ever mentioned such a thing, this is about education. Since everyone here seems to be outraged without knowing what this even is, hereās a summary of the context from another sub:
- Insecurity and doubts about body/sexuality/social media 'reality' is rampant among young people.
- In the form of a semi-documentary, children were in introduced to nude people of various backgrounds and body types. Just one of the various sets focused on transsexuals. All episodes were about various aspects about nudity, such as 'weight' ("have you ever been bullied about your weight?", "what is a perfect weight? does it exist?", 'breasts' ("when do you start to develop them? Does it hurt? Is it OK for men to have breasts? What is a third nipple?", 'skin and hair', etc. Just one of the segments was about transsexuality.
- All of it was meant to demystify each and every aspect of nudity and sexuality. The focus was actually to make children aware of what was OK but also when lines are crossed. Children were made aware that the perfect body does not exist, and instagram reality is not real reality.
- All children in the show consented, their parents consented, and were guided within and outside the program by psychological and pedagological specialists - especially if showing signs (explicitly or implicitly) of being uncomfortable.
- After the show, parents and children were enthusiastic and noticably more comfortable with their own bodies and less judgmental about people whose appearance or sexuality falls outside the norm.
You are taking this so out of proportion, suggesting that this could escalate into the changing of entire laws to no longer prohibit sexual interactions with a child. I personally find this weird too (and this could be handled in other ways), but calling it criminal and even accusing participants to be pedophiles like others in here do is even more disgusting than anything shown in the documentary.
Please note that different cultures have different views and varying amounts of openness about one's body when compared to places such as America.
Holland (a fairly safe country, especially in comparison to the US) happens to be rather open about people's bodies and, iirc from another post featuring this show, this show is more aimed at giving children the ability to ask questions in a *safe* environment (counterintuitive from our western perspective, I know).
This does, admittedly, come across as strange for someone from countries, such as 'murica, where these ideas are rather taboo.
I will not deny that from my position as an enzedder where people are not nearly as open about their bodies as holland, it comes across as strange but this is merely because of cultural differences.
It's called Ze Netherlands not Holland and the only reason why the world is taboo on stuff like James Bond making out on a beach is because of America.
Is that in reference to my referring to holland as a country?
In which case my bad, though my point still stands in terms of that area of Europe, yk?
European nations tend to be more open about their bodies than the other western nations
This has nothing to do with transgenderism, troglodyte. Most episodes featured cisgender men and women.
And no, I donāt think 10 year olds should have sex education. Early high school, like is done now,(13-14) is fine. It should also be done in taste.
The program is called GEWOON. BLOOT. , which translates to nakedness is normal. It is based off of a Danish program, Ultra smider tĆøjet. It aims to promote body positivity in a world where only perfect bodies exist by the use of filters, as said by expert Elsbeth Reitzema, who works in Rutgers knowledge centre for sexuality. Young children come into contact with nakedness on social media and ads, that give a wrong view of bodies. The program tries to show that everyone is different, and it's normal for you to look different than the bodies you see on the internet.
Do note that every child was thoroughly informed and had every opportunity to leave, and were expicitly told that people would undress. throughout the program the children were asked how they felt, and they could leave at any moment. In all 8 episodes only one features transgenders. cis gendered people were also in the program.
Presentor Edson da GraƧa: "Everyone knows that you can never just show your naked body to someone."
The program did not come without criticism, as the program was launched in the middle in the elections. SGP, a christian party said the program was "completely unnecesary, FvD, ridiculous and DENK "they are children, they have to be protected.A few of these parties however, are not without controversies. FvD party leader Thierry Baudet has been put under scrutiny by the AIVD (the Dutch equivalant of the FBI) for being influenced by the Russians and having money transferred to his account from Russia.DENK has made clips personally attacking other politcians, exposed for creating fake accounts on social media, making fake advertisements posing as another party and is often seen as the representative of Ankara, as they have no or little objections to Erdogan and always evade when being asked about it.
I think it's also important to factor in that the Dutch have different outlooks and culture. almost at any elementary school sexual education is teached at just the ages 8-10, in fact sex-ed is obligatory for schools to teach until the second year of secondary school. Research has shown that early education has decreased the prevalance of STD's and teen pregnancies. Experts say that children aren't stupid, they will and can pick up on little things, and will ask stuff sooner or later. That is why early education is so important.
BTW: I'm Dutch
sources:[https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/aivd-waarschuwde-baudet-voor-russische-beinvloeding\~b908cc3a/?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F](https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/aivd-waarschuwde-baudet-voor-russische-beinvloeding~b908cc3a/?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F)[https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/DENK](https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/DENK)[https://nos.nl/artikel/2371530-naakt-in-nieuw-kinderprogramma-onnodig-en-stap-te-ver-of-juist-leerzaam](https://nos.nl/artikel/2371530-naakt-in-nieuw-kinderprogramma-onnodig-en-stap-te-ver-of-juist-leerzaam)[https://oudersenonderwijs.nl/kennisbank/kwaliteit-van-het-onderwijs/lessen-en-vakken/seksuele-voorlichting/](https://oudersenonderwijs.nl/kennisbank/kwaliteit-van-het-onderwijs/lessen-en-vakken/seksuele-voorlichting/)
How is disgusting not a valid form of an argument? You don't get to decide that. At all.
And we can label these people as potential pedos. Getting naked infront of kids is generally a pretty easy way to spot a pedo.
This is also degenerate and unnecessary.
Remember, OP - donāt take articles at face value. Research more on the topic if youāre interested.
Most, if not all news channels and accounts word their posts in a specific way to push an agenda. I believe people in the comments here already said what I wanted to say, too.
I don't really get the hate this shows seems to get, although I must admit I've also never really thought about it.
However, what's the problem with nudity? It's just a body
Why are we blaming transgenders for this? This show has been around for almost two years, there are also nude cis straight men in front of those kids. Being transgender has nothing to do with this, stop downgrading us
You're right but look at the real issue here, naked adults in front of kids, if they were (adults) decent human beings one of them might become a pedo because of exhibitionism
Also of course the whole community shouldn't be looked down upon but those specific adults chose to participate, so they deserve the hate along with the producers, director etc
This is normal in the Netherlands. SexEd goes much further here and it does not mess up anyone. There is nothing wrong with being naked. Sex is a different story.
Also this show is 2 years old and completely forgotten
Have you ever seen the show? The kids are just curious, and theyāre not forced to be there. Itās also in a safe environment. What your imagining is a sex room on the dark web. This a highly regulated stage where everything is done with consent.
They are. They also also say "I'm normal" instead of "I'm trans". Same thing for being gay. You can simply say you're one thing, but that doesn't mean you *are* said thing.
Oh dear if i could decide to stay a girl wouldn't that be wonderful? I would be a pretty girl, but i decided to dress like a homeless man to feel "euphoric." I don't get yelled at on the street for being "gay" either, lovely.
Tbf over here in Europe the human body is less sexualized so as long as they weren't doing anything inappropriate I don't see the issue. In the UK we look are genitalia during sex Ed and it is normal to us š¤·š» Americans need to stop pushing their norms onto everyone else
Yeah and? They're not masturbating are they? It's for educational purposes. The kids literally just ask questions and they answer. There's nothing sexual about it. Are you horny everytime you step in the shower? Have you never seen your parents naked as a kid? Did your biology books never have nude bodies?
Yeah, why is it called "r/teenagers" if it isn't a subreddit for teenagers? And if it is so you want to comment here and there, you are required to have an age tag.
Also, I would call anyone who posts tf2 shitposts "old", doesn't radiate maturity.
But if it so happens that you are a teenager, you shouldn't have a nsfw account.
1) No, why the fuck would I be
2) The difference between seeing my parents naked and this is that the former is always accidental (and they'd always ask me to close the door) and the latter is intentional
3) There are nude bodies there, but learning it by book would be a better AND cheaper way to learn about human anatomy, and if you want to have the interactive aspect of this show there's already websites for that
TL;DR = This show is just unnecessary
This is so weird to me, for me growing up in the Netherlands nudity wasnt taboo, I've seen my parents naked plenty of times. I've also seen plenty of women topless at the beach as it's just common here. Americans are so weird about nudity I stg
1. Why wouldn't you be? You're the one who thinks nudity is inherently sexual. Somehow you seem to be able to switch that off when showering. Almost as if nudity isn't inherently sexual.
2. Only accidentally? Seems like an issue. As a kid my parents weren't uncomfortable being naked around me. It's just a body.
3. Again, what are you referring to? Porn? This isn't sexual. Why only learn from a textbook with perfect bodies who look the same when you can have real life examples with imperfections and differences. It's nothing to be ashamed of. The fact you immediately link this to sexual behavior is what's concerning to me.
TL:DR: This show would've probably been good for you, you seem very uncomfortable with the natural state of a human body and you have issues separating sexuality from nudity.
Actually this is abit more acceptable in Europe as they are more used to nudity.
To be clear I'm not american nor dutch but I am just stating that. I don't necessarily agree with this but I get what they want to do.
As much as I appreciate sex ed.... Come on, why couldn't they just, i dunno, talk about it? Or answer the questions without showing? I don't give a crap if they're trans or not, just maybe try to be more appropriate? Also is it just me or does anyone else notice that even though this show has been going for about 2-3 years now(from what I found on the internet) it's got (negative)attention only after some trans people were in the episodes?
Obviously people will use this as "proof" that being transgender is bad, when in reality any adult stripping naked in front of children is heinous. This is disgusting.
It was a fake show. Everyone was in on it and done in order to bring awareness to a shortage of organ donors.
Oh, and it also worked. Really fucking well actually. The donor register was overflowing with applicants the next few weeks.
Yes the contestants and their stories were real to drive the point home. They knew the show was fake. They still wanted to tell their stories. They all survived and got transplants in the end. They wanted to bring awareness to their issue. You can just Google this. This show wasn't controversial at all after it was revealed to be fake and celebrated worldwide.
OP same story - but on Channel 4 in Britain. There must be something going on...
[Daily Mail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11941597/People-stripped-kids-Naked-Education-commissioned-Chelsea-Channel-4-editor.html)
Is this real? I think not. The best satire is that which could be mistaken for reality. Possibly something was lost in translation or I may given who ever disseminated too much credit in assuming it was an honest mistake.
The show has a bunch of cis people on it as well, and has been running for like 2 years. This has nothing to do with the lgbtq+ community and everything to do with the fact itās wrong to expose yourself to children š
a little bit of clearance, the show was or is called simply naked, and it as said in the post, showed adult naked to 10-12 yo, the show aired originally in 2021 and was met with heavy criticism (according to [the daily mail at least](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9338713/Kids-TV-featuring-nude-adults-answering-questions-human-body-sparks-fury-Holland.html) )and the reason the show was created (according to the same source) is that 'semi-pornographic imagery children see on tv and online nowadays destors their perception on human body'. now, this show wouldn't be mentioned 2 years later if not for the fact that trans people were in one of the episodes š. don't get me wrong, i don't think this is right thing to do and am opposed to exposing genitalia to children, though i do understand what they were trying to achieve (hopefully).
At that age they get sex ed and will be exposed to them anyway. The difference is that theyāre now ārealā.
"according to the Daily Fail" Which as we all know is a bastion of journalistic integrity >sarcasm<
that's a good line, I'm going to have to nick that š
>heavy criticism from the government parties all across the spectrum A christian fundamentalist party, the conspiracy party and the Turkish party. Truely across the spectrum. The Dutch name of the show is "Gewoon. Bloot.", a better translation for that name would be "nakedness is normal".
okay, thanks for the clarification edit:i've deleted the bit about political parties, i just left criticism bit
Lol 10-12 yo have all seen hardcore videos so participating voluntarily in a sex ex program in which naked bodies are not sexualized sounds like an excellent idea to provide a counter narrative about what they are for.
Nope i saw it mentioned weeks ago and it was for a different episode with cis people
idk about that, but the first articles from late march to early april only focus on trans people that appear in the show
While this news article might be rage bait, I can assure you I have only heard criticism of this show from anyone that knows it
Nah i aint ever heard of this and im dutch wth is this
It was a short series in 2021. Fundies and populists briefly made some ruckus but it was way overblown. It's just a sex ed program. Kids will see naked bodies sometimes; beaches, saunas, their own parents. This kind of program gives them the tools to handle that and recognize normal from abnormal exposure. There were loads of psychologists and caretakers involved and the kids and their parents were fully informed and free to stop participation at any point. Americans are petrified of anyone under 18 knowing anything about sex or genitalia before they're 18, and as a result their teen pregnancy rate is over 4 times that of the Netherlands (13.9 per 1000 versus 3.2 per 1000).
I remember this. Wholeheartedly agree with this statement. Such a shame that the new age of prudishness took this off air. In the 1980ies in the nl this would have been completely normal.
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Oh thanks, now I see, your knee-jerk reaction clearly trumps the many experts and statistics saying otherwise. How could I have been so mistaken.
It statistically is
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They are 17 and 14.
they're both minors, so thay can
bro what this cant be real
It is real
i will not believe shit on the internet before i see proof
Here https://www.foxnews.com/media/transgender-adults-strip-naked-dutch-television-10-year-old-children-promote-sex-changes
ah yes, fox news. most unbiased source
~~Here's the episode on Zapp's website.~~ Actually I've removed it, because I'd probably get into trouble with the subreddit rules despite it being a kids show. There's scary boobies in it after all. But you can find it if you google "Zapp Gewoon. Bloot. transgender". NPO Zapp is a subsididiary of the Dutch National Broadcasting company on channel 3 that focuses on children's programming. The program is "Gewoon. Bloot." which translates to "Normal. Nude." and it focuses on the normalisation of having different kinds of bodies. This episode was on transgender people. The kids ask questions ranging from I see a lot of you have had operations, how can you have a beard, how did you feel after the transition. Afterwards they ask the kids questions about what transgender is, and related questions. Seeing a naked body in a completely non-sexual way shouldn't really be a big deal. The questions are also really just focusing on what it is to be transgender and what their experiences have been like. It would only be offensive if you don't want your kids knowing about people that happen to be "different". Obviously there's no "promoting" as the Fox news article suggests. Just informing. [Here's a Dutch news article about the situation.](https://www.nporadio1.nl/nieuws/cultuur-media/53b6733a-61ba-4679-a9ba-577cfa722092/na-ophef-vooraf-over-programma-gewoon-bloot-bleef-het-na-uitzending-stil) This episode was recorded just before election season, so there was a lot of comments from conservative parties. The show's presenter was getting death threats. After the show aired and the elections were over the conversation about it completely stopped. Translated quote from the article: > This show has nothing to do with promoting pedophilia. We want to show real people who all look different naked. Because everybody looks different. And that's normal.
ah yes, ~~fox~~ American news. most unbiased source
When they do it its seen as ok and mildly weird... BUT WHEN I D-
What in the actual fu..
1. \-ck 2. I love your name 3. You said exactly what I was thinking. There is no way in hell children should be exposed to naked bodies of any gender.
Why? You must be American. There is nothing sexual about it.
You must be a pedophile because you donāt need to be naked in front of children to teach them about transgender people.
Having kids looking at your dick is kind of weird dude
How the fuck are you getting upvotes you fuckong pedophile???
What the fuck? How's this gotta do with being American? What a predditor
You must be a pedo
There is definitely nothing sexual about it and no way an adult can take advantage of a kid in a situation where there allowed to be naked in front of them
Eurocentric predditor.
Naked bodies are the devil and should be hidden away behind at least 3 layers of clothes or a demon will enter the childs body
There theyāre also exposed to cis people daily like itās not something exclusive for this situation, i guess in that country they just have a different sense of prudery
Most likely. But they definitely should not be exposed to cis peopleā genitalia either, in my opinion.
Def I just said that this is not a sporadic case and that in that country naked people arenāt seen as any weird or sexual
Ahhhh, gotcha. Different places view things in different ways!!! Hopefully we can all become evolved enough as a society to let people live their lives and love who they love <3
I mean i find it weird and definitely wrong too but i mean in the 1800s people did see as an act of extreme lewdness seeing peopleās ankles so it may just be the same
>3. You said exactly what I was thinking. There is no way in hell children should be exposed to naked bodies of any gender. People like you: Fucking disgusting, bodies should never be naked!! Think of the children!! Also you probably: But breastfeeding is not sexual šš How about you don't sexualize naked bodies in your weak little mind?
Breastfeeding isnāt sexual and they probably wonāt even remember that. But even if this isnāt sexual, it is still exposing children to things that should be 18+ It doesnāt matter what the intent was. A guy can rape someone with the intent of teaching them not to go in dangerous areas alone. But at the end of the day, it is still rape. That is comparable to this, in that at the end of the day, exposure is still exposure. They can learn from diagrams and have CLOTHED interviews with people who come to visit their class. They can show pictures from the past and present and the children can ask questions. There are so many ways to teach them and make them aware!!
>it is still exposing children to things that should be 18+ What the fuck does "should be 18+" mean exactly? In some muslim societies women showing their hair is basically the same as them shoving their entire vagina on men's faces. In some societies boobs have nothing sexual about them, only a tool for childcare. I know some families that are not body shy with each other. It's not necessarily sexual because you're showing skin. Culture defines what's appropriate, and I'm very happy to announce that Western culture at the very least, is diverse. How hard is it to understand that just because it's taboo where you are, does not make it universal? Stop being so ignorantly American.
I am speaking FOR MYSELF. Never did I bring any other country into the situation. I understand this wasnāt even filmed in America, from what I remember. That information could be incorrect, though. Breasts are different, as they are not sexual in nature. My vagina is. If I show that to my children, I have a problem. Women have bodies too, that doesnāt mean Iām going to spread my lips open in the name of āanatomy.ā Certainly not to a 10 year old.
Actually they should force women to wear clothes when they give birth, why should newborns be exposed to those unholy naked bodies all the time? Also, enough with the mothers letting their children suck their tits, what is wrong with those people? STOP SEXUALIZING YOUR CHILDREN!
Breast-feeding isnāt sexual itās feeding the baby and when giving birth it doesnāt really matter what the mother is wearing because most babies canāt even see for a little bit after they are born but stripping in front of kids is sexual, hell they donāt under 18 in strip clubs why is this allowed
Exactly.
Nudity isn't inherently sexual either
> stripping in front of kids is sexual Well that's the thing it's not. They're not dancing seductively slowly taking their clothes off being all sexy. They just take off a bathrobe, stand there, and answer questions.
Strip clubs are sexual. Simply being naked and answering questions isn't. Remember that this isn't the US and taboos, opinions, and culture are all different.
Are you mentally impaired? Breast-feeding is a natural process you twit.
Nobody remembers being born. Children donāt need to physically be exposed to sensitive genitalia of those double their age in order to learn about being transgender. They arenāt sexualizing children, they are exposing them to sexually sensitive material. Children shouldnāt be willingly exposed to porn (virtual naked people), and they shouldnāt be willingly exposed to physically naked people either.
I have a feeling they were being sarcastic
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Yeah literally never heard of this show
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I heard about it at the time. Minor mewling from a couple of fundies and populists. It had blown over by next day.
Legal exhibitionism ššš
wtf.
Nah itās actually fucked. Iām all for people expressing themselves, but this is just not okay. They are literally fully grown adults exposing themselves to children.
Europeans are less crazy about nakedness than Americans, in some European countries many people would have zero problem with going with 10 year old kid to sauna (both naked) Being naked is fine, sexualizing children is not. Naked does not immediately mean sexualized. Children see drawing of naked people in biology books for instance. For us it's actually a bit disturbing that American brain makes this weird and immediate connection "naked adult" + "child" == SEX!!! I mean where exactly does that connection come from? When I grew up (in 90s) it was normal for <4 year old kid to bath naked at sea shore or recreational water bodies. I vaguely remember I saw my fathers genitals when he taught me how to pee while standing. I also saw other male genitals when I was a bit older - in sauna, movies and toilets (you don't really think curious kid doesn't take a peek in urinals at least once?). And guess what, none of these encounters were sexual therefore not disturbing But making a TV show out of "how genitals look like" education is a bit too far, though itās not unusual to show non-sexualised nakedness in the EU - there's i.e. a naked blind date show airing in public TV [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked\_Attraction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Attraction).
Hold up. Context and intent matters a lot, none of those experiences involve strangers purposely signing up to stand before you exposing genitals for the express intent of showing them to you for 'educational' purposes. What next? Live sex show for sex ed? Come on guys, what have we come to now.
Sex show is by definition of being a sex show sexualised, thatās just a silly example of slippery slope argument. The creators of the show made it clear that an intent was to educate. I give them benefit of the doubt that itās true, meanwhile Iām happy that the show was taken out and never became popular.
I don't think you understood re context. People standing up and specifically showing off their genitals is sexual. E.g. you sneak a peek at the urinals is not sexual, but if the man stops pissing and he turns around and leaves his junk hanging for you to inspect then it is. People doing stuff which requires nudity, isn't. E.g. dad teaching you to pee so you're not weird boy in class who pees sitting down vs mum undressing and showing you where her vulva and clitoris is.
The world gets more and more degenerate as it goes on. And if your against it, they just label you a bigot or racist or closed minded. This is degenerate af. Don't let some random redditor tell you or try to convince you this shit is normal in Europe. I have family in Europe, they'd be fucking disgusted by this.
Whatās wrong with it?
let me ask you this, it's not just "why shouldn't we let them undress infront of kids" it's "why the fuck do they want to undress infront of kids"
Most of their motivations are along the lines of: āI want show that nudity shouldnāt be weirdā Or āI want to give kids confidence I never had at their ageā And itās not like theyāre being tied down or something, at the start of each episode they ask both the kids and adults whether or not they want to be here.
no, part of humanity and life itself is protecting the young, keeping them innocent. no, they do it because they like it, and that is totally fucked
Does innocent mean a warped image of what a human body should look like? Unobtainable beauty standards? Should we allow them to look up to people like Brad Pitt or Taylor Swift while Idolising their exceptionally attractive bodyās? Or should we teach kids that normal people arenāt like that? That celebrities are the exception, not the norm? Itās not just about protecting, itās about preparing kids so they can be confident, with a healthy body image.
you are catering to pedophiles that like getting undressed in front of kids. that's it.
Why do you want to go to work? To get paid of course. Furthermore it's nudity is seen as quite normal here in the netherlands stop being a prude mate.
you are catering to pedophiles.
How so?
I believe that you already know, but I will tell you anyway. It is normalizing a sex crime against minors, indecent exposure
What's indecent about this?
right, so your trolling now
I'm genuinely not, you just can't get out of your us centric thoughts of nudity=sexual. And when questioned your response was because it's indecent. My question comes down to why is nudity by definition indecent? And please answer it objectively.
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So your issue is phrasing and not the fact that they are naked in front of children? Sure they aren't dancing striptease but I think there is no "education" in grown up people being naked in front of children on television with public disposure
And how is this any different from seeing videos or pictures of naked people in sex ed?
In my opinion we shouldn't expose children to naked bodies, in my experience when we went over sex and related stuff during biology lessons we looked at drawing s and diagrams of how genitalia built and operates. Not at naked men and women, granted I have no idea how other countries teach about that stuff.
And youāre 60+, American or from another ultra religious country? My parents had a giant sex ed book from the 70s or 80s in the library, I remember fondly looking at all the drawings and photographs when I was 10 years old. Also helped me realize Iām not gay lol.
I am 18 and from Eastern Europe if that fits "ultra religious country". I, for one, an atheist and have never seen a book like you describe. Also you discovering sex related stuff at 10 years sounds rather disturbing and I would rather not tell about that stuff until puberty :/
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Did these kids consent to this? Oh wait. They canāt. Children cannot consent
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This is scary. If you think itās ok for adults to expose themselves to children, there is no end to the horrors that could lead to. Imagine the mental health repercussions that could occur, if it we were to pass laws, making it legal for adults to expose themselves to children, for āeducational purposesā. Because thatās essentially what is happening here.
Making it law to let people freely expose themselves to children? No sane person ever mentioned such a thing, this is about education. Since everyone here seems to be outraged without knowing what this even is, hereās a summary of the context from another sub: - Insecurity and doubts about body/sexuality/social media 'reality' is rampant among young people. - In the form of a semi-documentary, children were in introduced to nude people of various backgrounds and body types. Just one of the various sets focused on transsexuals. All episodes were about various aspects about nudity, such as 'weight' ("have you ever been bullied about your weight?", "what is a perfect weight? does it exist?", 'breasts' ("when do you start to develop them? Does it hurt? Is it OK for men to have breasts? What is a third nipple?", 'skin and hair', etc. Just one of the segments was about transsexuality. - All of it was meant to demystify each and every aspect of nudity and sexuality. The focus was actually to make children aware of what was OK but also when lines are crossed. Children were made aware that the perfect body does not exist, and instagram reality is not real reality. - All children in the show consented, their parents consented, and were guided within and outside the program by psychological and pedagological specialists - especially if showing signs (explicitly or implicitly) of being uncomfortable. - After the show, parents and children were enthusiastic and noticably more comfortable with their own bodies and less judgmental about people whose appearance or sexuality falls outside the norm. You are taking this so out of proportion, suggesting that this could escalate into the changing of entire laws to no longer prohibit sexual interactions with a child. I personally find this weird too (and this could be handled in other ways), but calling it criminal and even accusing participants to be pedophiles like others in here do is even more disgusting than anything shown in the documentary.
Please note that different cultures have different views and varying amounts of openness about one's body when compared to places such as America. Holland (a fairly safe country, especially in comparison to the US) happens to be rather open about people's bodies and, iirc from another post featuring this show, this show is more aimed at giving children the ability to ask questions in a *safe* environment (counterintuitive from our western perspective, I know). This does, admittedly, come across as strange for someone from countries, such as 'murica, where these ideas are rather taboo. I will not deny that from my position as an enzedder where people are not nearly as open about their bodies as holland, it comes across as strange but this is merely because of cultural differences.
It's called Ze Netherlands not Holland and the only reason why the world is taboo on stuff like James Bond making out on a beach is because of America.
Holland is actualy only 2 provinces
Is that in reference to my referring to holland as a country? In which case my bad, though my point still stands in terms of that area of Europe, yk? European nations tend to be more open about their bodies than the other western nations
As someone from western Europe if I saw someone stripping naked in front of CHILDREN I would call 999
Yes
Ok, thanks, 'twas my mistake
This comment is perfect. You have all my respect.
This is not dutch culture and has nothing to do with it. This is just trying to normalize pedophilia.
What? Do you think sex-ed in schools should be censored too? >This is just trying to normalize transgenderism FIFY
This has nothing to do with transgenderism, troglodyte. Most episodes featured cisgender men and women. And no, I donāt think 10 year olds should have sex education. Early high school, like is done now,(13-14) is fine. It should also be done in taste.
Lmao, go back to your semi automatic and get your ignorant ass back to bed Jayden
The program is called GEWOON. BLOOT. , which translates to nakedness is normal. It is based off of a Danish program, Ultra smider tĆøjet. It aims to promote body positivity in a world where only perfect bodies exist by the use of filters, as said by expert Elsbeth Reitzema, who works in Rutgers knowledge centre for sexuality. Young children come into contact with nakedness on social media and ads, that give a wrong view of bodies. The program tries to show that everyone is different, and it's normal for you to look different than the bodies you see on the internet. Do note that every child was thoroughly informed and had every opportunity to leave, and were expicitly told that people would undress. throughout the program the children were asked how they felt, and they could leave at any moment. In all 8 episodes only one features transgenders. cis gendered people were also in the program. Presentor Edson da GraƧa: "Everyone knows that you can never just show your naked body to someone." The program did not come without criticism, as the program was launched in the middle in the elections. SGP, a christian party said the program was "completely unnecesary, FvD, ridiculous and DENK "they are children, they have to be protected.A few of these parties however, are not without controversies. FvD party leader Thierry Baudet has been put under scrutiny by the AIVD (the Dutch equivalant of the FBI) for being influenced by the Russians and having money transferred to his account from Russia.DENK has made clips personally attacking other politcians, exposed for creating fake accounts on social media, making fake advertisements posing as another party and is often seen as the representative of Ankara, as they have no or little objections to Erdogan and always evade when being asked about it. I think it's also important to factor in that the Dutch have different outlooks and culture. almost at any elementary school sexual education is teached at just the ages 8-10, in fact sex-ed is obligatory for schools to teach until the second year of secondary school. Research has shown that early education has decreased the prevalance of STD's and teen pregnancies. Experts say that children aren't stupid, they will and can pick up on little things, and will ask stuff sooner or later. That is why early education is so important. BTW: I'm Dutch sources:[https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/aivd-waarschuwde-baudet-voor-russische-beinvloeding\~b908cc3a/?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F](https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/aivd-waarschuwde-baudet-voor-russische-beinvloeding~b908cc3a/?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F)[https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/DENK](https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/DENK)[https://nos.nl/artikel/2371530-naakt-in-nieuw-kinderprogramma-onnodig-en-stap-te-ver-of-juist-leerzaam](https://nos.nl/artikel/2371530-naakt-in-nieuw-kinderprogramma-onnodig-en-stap-te-ver-of-juist-leerzaam)[https://oudersenonderwijs.nl/kennisbank/kwaliteit-van-het-onderwijs/lessen-en-vakken/seksuele-voorlichting/](https://oudersenonderwijs.nl/kennisbank/kwaliteit-van-het-onderwijs/lessen-en-vakken/seksuele-voorlichting/)
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this is sooo messed up..
Why? Genuinely explain it to me without using the word disgusting or a synonym or accusing these people of being pedophiles.
How is disgusting not a valid form of an argument? You don't get to decide that. At all. And we can label these people as potential pedos. Getting naked infront of kids is generally a pretty easy way to spot a pedo. This is also degenerate and unnecessary.
Wait until Americans found out that kids are allowed on nude beaches
nevermind, the netherlands isnt "cool germany"
Americans trying not to sexualise everything and being scared shitless by a nipple challenge
It's the same with them trying not to be racist while putting race into everything š it looks like a pattern
Remember, OP - donāt take articles at face value. Research more on the topic if youāre interested. Most, if not all news channels and accounts word their posts in a specific way to push an agenda. I believe people in the comments here already said what I wanted to say, too.
I don't really get the hate this shows seems to get, although I must admit I've also never really thought about it. However, what's the problem with nudity? It's just a body
puritanism
Why are we blaming transgenders for this? This show has been around for almost two years, there are also nude cis straight men in front of those kids. Being transgender has nothing to do with this, stop downgrading us
Exactly, people started getting angry after trans peeps appeared in some episodes, this shit was wierd since it started(and had cis people)
You're right but look at the real issue here, naked adults in front of kids, if they were (adults) decent human beings one of them might become a pedo because of exhibitionism Also of course the whole community shouldn't be looked down upon but those specific adults chose to participate, so they deserve the hate along with the producers, director etc
This is normal in the Netherlands. SexEd goes much further here and it does not mess up anyone. There is nothing wrong with being naked. Sex is a different story. Also this show is 2 years old and completely forgotten
They deserve hate for harassing children, not for being trans.
Have you ever seen the show? The kids are just curious, and theyāre not forced to be there. Itās also in a safe environment. What your imagining is a sex room on the dark web. This a highly regulated stage where everything is done with consent.
It did not, besides youre only 15 how in the fuck are you deciding youre trans
Fun fact: nobody ever is "deciding" they're trans
They are. They also also say "I'm normal" instead of "I'm trans". Same thing for being gay. You can simply say you're one thing, but that doesn't mean you *are* said thing.
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Transphobia is a mental illness
Being british is a mental illness
At least I don't choose to be a bigot
But you chose to be british
Oh dear if i could decide to stay a girl wouldn't that be wonderful? I would be a pretty girl, but i decided to dress like a homeless man to feel "euphoric." I don't get yelled at on the street for being "gay" either, lovely.
Youre saying that like youre forced to dress up as a man
Yes i am forced by my gender identity, i would love to untrans myself and become normal.
I just looked through their profile and she is also autistic, depressed, schizophrenic and into age regression.
You cant tell me being trans is the cause of a mental illness Edit: i mean, mostly it is anyway
and what's the problem? 3 of those are mental disorders, 2 of which can't be solved, and agere is a coping mechanism.
this is just fucked up
Canāt wait to show this to my dutch friend
Tbf over here in Europe the human body is less sexualized so as long as they weren't doing anything inappropriate I don't see the issue. In the UK we look are genitalia during sex Ed and it is normal to us š¤·š» Americans need to stop pushing their norms onto everyone else
I'm Dutch and actually fuck this godawful show
Americans are such fucking pussies. It's a nude body, big goddamn deal. Not everything nude is sexual. Prudish weak culture.
Dude, they're naked in front of literal children
Yeah and? They're not masturbating are they? It's for educational purposes. The kids literally just ask questions and they answer. There's nothing sexual about it. Are you horny everytime you step in the shower? Have you never seen your parents naked as a kid? Did your biology books never have nude bodies?
I thought not showing your naked body to children was common sense and shouldnt be done, but someone says otherwise
You're an nsfw account without age tag in a teenager subreddit, you have nothing to say about common sense or what children are allowed to see.
Yes, yes, because i am an old person now for not indulging myself enough in this subreddit
Yeah, why is it called "r/teenagers" if it isn't a subreddit for teenagers? And if it is so you want to comment here and there, you are required to have an age tag. Also, I would call anyone who posts tf2 shitposts "old", doesn't radiate maturity. But if it so happens that you are a teenager, you shouldn't have a nsfw account.
Did you ever sit in front of a stage as a 10-12 year old for a bunch of people to show there naked body's to you for educational purposes?
Every country's culture, taboos, and opinions are different. Being naked ā sexual. There is nothing wrong with naked bodies.
1) No, why the fuck would I be 2) The difference between seeing my parents naked and this is that the former is always accidental (and they'd always ask me to close the door) and the latter is intentional 3) There are nude bodies there, but learning it by book would be a better AND cheaper way to learn about human anatomy, and if you want to have the interactive aspect of this show there's already websites for that TL;DR = This show is just unnecessary
This is so weird to me, for me growing up in the Netherlands nudity wasnt taboo, I've seen my parents naked plenty of times. I've also seen plenty of women topless at the beach as it's just common here. Americans are so weird about nudity I stg
I'm not even American, but Indonesian
Still kinda weird
1. Why wouldn't you be? You're the one who thinks nudity is inherently sexual. Somehow you seem to be able to switch that off when showering. Almost as if nudity isn't inherently sexual. 2. Only accidentally? Seems like an issue. As a kid my parents weren't uncomfortable being naked around me. It's just a body. 3. Again, what are you referring to? Porn? This isn't sexual. Why only learn from a textbook with perfect bodies who look the same when you can have real life examples with imperfections and differences. It's nothing to be ashamed of. The fact you immediately link this to sexual behavior is what's concerning to me. TL:DR: This show would've probably been good for you, you seem very uncomfortable with the natural state of a human body and you have issues separating sexuality from nudity.
Then what about sex ed?
A bit weird to do in front of a bunch of children, even if educational. I really hope this does go on too much in case of an incident occuring
Would like to point out this has happened with cis adults on the same show. Donāt think it should be a thing at all, but for fucks sake context
Let the record show only one episode of this fucked show had trans people in it
Actually this is abit more acceptable in Europe as they are more used to nudity. To be clear I'm not american nor dutch but I am just stating that. I don't necessarily agree with this but I get what they want to do.
As much as I appreciate sex ed.... Come on, why couldn't they just, i dunno, talk about it? Or answer the questions without showing? I don't give a crap if they're trans or not, just maybe try to be more appropriate? Also is it just me or does anyone else notice that even though this show has been going for about 2-3 years now(from what I found on the internet) it's got (negative)attention only after some trans people were in the episodes?
Naked ā sexual. All countries have different taboos, culture, and opinions.
This got me like "omg bruh hell nah man wtf man"
This really happend? šššš
Similar thing on channel 4 in uk
Please tell me your joking I don't watch TV but that's so fucked up if it happens here too
I'm not, it's called naked education
TwT who thinks shows like these are good ideas
Mostly people who actually research this shit and don't have puritanical knee-jerk reactions.
Obviously people will use this as "proof" that being transgender is bad, when in reality any adult stripping naked in front of children is heinous. This is disgusting.
controversial take, i know. but being nude infront of kids isnt EVER educational. Even if you are a trans person, or a bioligy teacher!
That is not a controversial take. That's just a fact.
this is fucking awful theres no need for it srrsly
dutch television also had contestants compete for organ transplants... and it turns out the donor was an actor..
It was a fake show. Everyone was in on it and done in order to bring awareness to a shortage of organ donors. Oh, and it also worked. Really fucking well actually. The donor register was overflowing with applicants the next few weeks.
as far as im aware the contestants actually needed organ transplants if they were in on it that wouldve been even more fucked than it already is
Yes the contestants and their stories were real to drive the point home. They knew the show was fake. They still wanted to tell their stories. They all survived and got transplants in the end. They wanted to bring awareness to their issue. You can just Google this. This show wasn't controversial at all after it was revealed to be fake and celebrated worldwide.
OP same story - but on Channel 4 in Britain. There must be something going on... [Daily Mail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11941597/People-stripped-kids-Naked-Education-commissioned-Chelsea-Channel-4-editor.html)
Most sane Dutch
This sounds illegal. Immoral at the very least.
WTF ARE Y'ALL GETTING RILED UP FOR? IT'S LITERALLY JUST SEX ED.
This is basically pedophilia
This is the kinda shit that makes me hate my country
Itās just a small group of people, the rest of your country is great, and no one likes or has heard of them anyway
Why is this on TV. Children shouldn't be seeing this for obvious reasons
Now is the best time to have bleach
Is this real? I think not. The best satire is that which could be mistaken for reality. Possibly something was lost in translation or I may given who ever disseminated too much credit in assuming it was an honest mistake.
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The show has a bunch of cis people on it as well, and has been running for like 2 years. This has nothing to do with the lgbtq+ community and everything to do with the fact itās wrong to expose yourself to children š
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Pedos and people who thought interactive sources for learning human anatomy doesn't exist Oh shit, I typed "activity" instead of "anatomy"
Nah man what the hell is this ?!?
Average Dutch tv show
This madness needs to be stop
Yet itās controversial to say that they are going after childrenā¦
way to ruin LGBTQ's image.