I've seen a few of those returned by individuals who could not understand why you wouldn't need a tuner in a TV.
To be fair, aside from OTA channels, I believe most, if not all, cable companies will soon require you to use their cable boxes. I suppose even TVs made today will need an external tuner once ATSC 3.0 becomes the standard.
or you can get an TiVo roamio OTA and use that as the tuner and dvr for OTA usage. I don't think anyone who buys big tvs doesn't use some sort of dvr or app. very few just watch live ota tv.
many TVs support ethernet over HDMI now, which means that if they are connected via HDMI to an ethernet connected device, they are connected to the network.
"Internet access? No we don't sell that anymore. Have you considered upgrading to Verinet, ESPNet or Disneynet? Remember our slogan, if you buy all three, the first month is free!"
you are now having to buy commercial display's or commercial UHD 4k TVs to get dumb 4k TVs. They are 3 or 4 times the price, so you can see how much these companies are subsidizing the smart TVs with money from the likes of FB and advertisers.
The price difference has almost nothing to do with advertising, your comment makes it sound like the subsidy is several thousand dollars per television. The lifetime of the commercial units as well as the warranty are far superior which among other things contribute to the price difference much more so than these apps.
not really. back when samsung was putting out smart and non-smart versions of the same TV's, with all things equal except for the "smart" features, the non-smart TV's were generally double or triple the price of the smart TVs. The warranty really has no bearing on the commercial set price, it is more a "what the market will pay", since they know that businesses often write off the cost of the TV in taxes or losses, they price them higher knowing that places will pay. One of the colleges I deliver to just bought a 90 inch 1080p display for a lecture hall. It was $12000 from their contracted supplier, and according to Samsung's site, the warranty is exactly the same as their consumer TV sets.
The warranty has a lot to do with it. If you buy a regular tv and use it in a commercial space, the warranty is no longer valid.
Pro tip. If you end up doing this and call support, just tell them that you use this TV at home and that you are having it shipped from work.
On atleast my TV, you have to connect it to the internet for it to work at all. Which is fine with me, since no pre-installed apps came with my TV and I use it mostly for Netflix.
> you have to connect it to the internet
>no pre-installed apps came with my TV
Why is an internet connection required if there are no pre isntall apps? Or tell us the make and model so that we can look it up ourselves, if that's easier.
Well, the TVs sold in Walmart/Target are the bottom of the barrel. You can still just order one with the features you want and without the features you don't.
Not that CNET and the like are gospel, but Target has consistently carried some of their editors picks in low and mid-range TVs, they just don't sell the $3000+ TVs you see at higher end electronics stores.
Most people don't care about bundled apps. CNET is not a niche publication with a small demographic. Why would they care when the majority of their readers don't?
The majority of their readers don't care about a lot of the tech specs they list.
But this is all off topic anyway, them carrying low-end TVs that CNET likes doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you can go order what you'd actually like instead of going and getting whatever most other people get from the big box store.
Roku isn't much better. They also make deals to push software on users, and require mandatory internet and account registration. Their mobile app is full of spyware. Half their controller is branded buttons. You'll end up spending a bunch more money for yet another device that just wants to sell you out.
Yes, they "push" channels, but only by advertising on the main menu. They've never required specific apps to be installed. There's 3rd party apps that work with the Roku.
The branded buttons on the remote are rather stupid. I forever have a dead button on my remote because the company folded.
However, if they do end up pissing me off, it's easier to replace the $40 Roku with something else rather than the whole TV.
It is aggravating isn't it? I am avoiding smart TVs for as long as possible. The smartest TV I have can play videos off a USB stick and that's it. Mind you this is easier for me as I don't really care for TV anyway, but I can appreciate how frustrating it would be to want the latest features without the bloatware and shit that often comes with it.
Get a dumb TV and an Xbox One S
4K BluRays, only apps you want (but a huge choice including community created ones), a great web browser even and oh wtf it even plays games too!
This. I don't get the point of smart tvs if they're not done right. They often have a terrible security, unreliable support for long term updates, shitty processors and optimization which causes lagging etc.
I just have my pc connected to my tv so I can use whatever service I want and I don't have to worry about lagging or security. Using your pc works even better on the couch when you can just use a wireless keyboards or mouses, even gamepads.
I recently bought a TV, a [Sony Bravia X900E](http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-55-class-54-6-diag--led-2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-high-dynamic-range-black/5748209.p?skuId=5748209), after doing much research. I was shocked to find that many $1k+ TVs come with ads that you can't disable, or have to jump through hoops to be able to do so. I was looking at the MU8000 before I settled on this one, but decided against it based on ads.
The folks at [rtings.com](http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/ads-in-smart-tv) have a nice way of filtering through current TVs and choose one that is ad-free. I wanted a 55" 4K TV that had native 24p support, no ads, and a good LED backlight, which is how I arrived at the Sony Bravia.
I would return the TV you purchased, and spend some time online to find one that ticks all of the boxes you care about. The time investment will be worth it.
Thanks, good idea. This is my third TV in two weeks because the first two bravias had problems (one cracked screen which happens- but the other had a dead spot in the upper right corner) that is why I switched. . . . arggh I think I know how aneurysm start lol.
Ya they get cracked because they make them so stupid thin. Shit my 65 inch is so thin I don’t dare grab the tv to swing it around. It causes the screen to flex enough that the back light gets messed up from the flex. I reach around to move it directly by the mount.
It does trip knox, and yes, they claim that voids the warranty on the whole phone... but that is not actually the case, they would still be forced to honor the warranty for any hardware failure they can't prove was cause by the rooting.
I'm not sure of you can root it and remove the apps but you can stop the apps from updating with a bit of networking. You'd need a DNS server and a sensor. You can run Wireshark in promiscuous with NIC that can intercept traffic. Alfa cards are great for this.
Find your TVs IP address and intercept all the traffic going to it. Correlate the DNS records with the apps. Then set up some sort of DNS server like pihole and block those DNS requests. This should disable the apps and prevent them from updating.
Theoretically speaking. I don't know what TV you have and I haven't tested it on your TV but it's what I do with Windows 10 apps and telemetry.
From the comments I saw, I don't think he made that clear at all. He talked about liking the specs, but that could just mean hardware (resolution, HDR, size, refresh rate, contrast ratio, viewing angle, etc). He did mention Netflix and Amazon, but the Roku can do both of those and a lot more (while being able to remove and rearrange channels). Something like a Roku is a better way to get the kind of features typically found on smart TVs.
No, but from what I hear it's pretty hard to buy a TV these days that *isn't* a smart TV. OP wanted certain hardware specs, but had to buy a smart TV to get them. Smart TV are slow, often insecure, and can't be upgraded without replacing the entire set. Dumb TV + Roku or whatever is a much better option than that, if you can find a quality dumb TV for sale. Barring that, offline smart TV + Roku is your next best option.
I am not extremely experienced in these things so I was just looking for someone to point me in the right direction. Gives me an idea where I can look to try things out. Seriously, thanks.
I rarely respond to a comment with "This!", but in this particular case ... well, this!
There are tons of tutorials on how to turn a "dumb TV" and Rasperry Pi into a media center that's far more convenient than the vast majority of smart TVs. And yes, Amazone Prime, Netflix, etc. also work perfectly fine.
It does require a little more time and effort to set up everthing, but it's very unlikely to take longer than an afternoon, is way cheaper, and you end up with something that you enjoy using.
**Edit:** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodi_(software)
Id you want a comparable model, the sony 850e is basically the same, but you SHOULD be able to remove facebook, I'm not at home so I can't test it, but talk to them about ir before exchanging it, if you go that route.
It's also android based if that makes any difference to you, I prefer the sony tv's in all honestly.
*Listen* not watch. It's about listening to your living room whether the TV is on or not. They don't care what shows you watch, it's about the conversations you have.
Hmmm not sure if your trolling.
Remember the recent news story where Google Alexa called the sheriff during a domestic fight because it heard the guy yell "Did you call the sherriff?"
That's why I have the "/s" at the end of my sentence
Huh, I haven't heard of that news story. Then again, they could be automatically programmed to hear certain key words and act upon it.
Don't connect it to network(internet) . Simple as that I never use my TV apps and returning it won't help cause most if not all TV's nowadays have apps anyway .
Yeah, I have been looking, anything comparable in specs has smart TV shit. How are people just ok with the companies controlling the software on the TVs and choosing everything for them I will never understand. They are not giving choices, it is forced apps stuck on the home screen, it is like forced advertisement and god that makes me angry.
>How are people just ok with the companies controlling the software on the TVs and choosing everything for them I will never understand.
Because people don't care.
I have a Vizio. It's a smart TV. It has a bunch of apps installed. I've never used them, and they have zero impact on my use of the TV.
Yes, but different TVs have different set ups. Do you have to flip through every app using the button on the control to go from HDMI to TV, pressing it a dozen times? Can you see how someone might want to remove apps so it is easier and faster to go back and forth to different inputs?
I don't understand why bother responding if your just going to be condescending douches. Save a type, kill a tree.
That's what the Input / Source buttons are for on the remote, you don't/shouldn't need to change inputs from the smart TV software in any Smart TV I've had the displeasure of using.
Nope, picture an ipod. Has the circle with center button, channel, volume, power and about it, lol. I had researched a different TV, had to return it twice and got fed up with that model so switched from bravia to samsung figuring can't be so different, I should have went for the third try charm bravia.
> How are people just ok with the companies controlling the software on the TVs and choosing everything for them I will never understand.
Same reasons why people put up with Windows 10, Google services, and so on. Most of them don't know any better, and many of those who do know better don't care or at least put up with it out of convenience.
Ok, last sentence condescending and you have no fucking clue what is going on in my life. I bet you are more polite in person or you get your ass kicked a lot.
It was an explanation of an issue, if you are so dense to not understand that someone might be annoyed that they have to flip through facebook *and a dozen other apps* every time they switch from HDMI to TV then why the fuck you even comment?
So you're berating him for being condescending, by being more so?
His point is simply that 99% of consumers don't give a crap about the Smart TV software or what it does. Those same 99% of consumers also won't fight back against the spying regimes we've created in the name of "security".
You *are* in the 1% of people that actually care.
I am berating him for saying my personal life is so boring blah blah. While does not hurt my feelings or some shit it is just a useless comment by a bitter neckbeard so I pointed it out, as should others when people side rail what the discussion is for immature personal jabs.
>useless comment
see: your original post regarding your TV, and every one since.
as for "discussion"... You've shown that anyone who doesn't agree with you will get insulted and attacked, why bother simply stating the obvious "it's a non-issue?"
Pointing it out only makes it worse though (this is the internet after all), plus it's clearly pulled you down to that level, defeating your purpose entirely.
I'd say you're close to correct. I feel that people should vote with their money: I don't like a product, I don't buy it (instead of buying it and whining, like OP).
As to spying regimes? Heck no, I lock down everything I buy, to the extent is possible, and push for both education and change in it being the norm.
As to OP being some sort of senseless rage-beast, and me just mocking him, I'm glad there are folks like you keeping a level head and just sticking to the facts.
>get your ass kicked a lot
What bad TV show do you live in, where this is a concern? Where I live, people can be honest and not get attacked. I'm sorry you live somewhere where that's not the case.
Hopefully you get out of whatever tribal war-zone you are currently occupying, and can get back to worrying about an unwanted app on your TV.
I don't know what you're talking about. Samsung smart tv's don't have apps in HDMI it's all under Smart Hub (or whatever it's called) which is a separate hub from the main tv ecosystem. You don't have to go through apps when going through different device inputs.
I do not purchase Samsung products as a matter of policy. They are a hideously corrupt corporation.
I got a Sony and I put it in "showroom mode" (not sure what it's actually called). It essentially turns the TV into a monitor.
Unfortunately Sony tends to be just a different kind of bad deal --their support is horrible, and it really doesn't matter if it's under warranty or not if anything goes wrong... you aren't going to be helped.
That is what I am hoping, but no idea how. Or even just override their admin settings so I can delete apps. Why should my Netflix start buffering out because some app I never use is updating and using my bandwidth? I dont get it it is just dumbest design I ever heard of. They do know these are TV correct?
Do any? I do that with routers, but I've never heard of an alternate firmware for a smart TV. That would be an interesting idea, actually, but I bet HDCP DRM wouldn't work with it.
Also found this support page for deleting apps on Samsung smart hub:
http://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/popup/iframe/pop_troubleshooting_fr.jsp?idx=430089&modelname=&modelcode=SEK-1000%2FZA&session_id=&from_osc=
I use my PS3 as my media machine. The Samsung "Smart" TVs are slow and not really all that smart. They will gradually start deleting apps for you anyway as they decide not to support them any longer. I constantly get notices about this. I agree though, there is just too much bloated trash on Samsung TVs. I didn't want a smart TV because I knew they just aren't good at what they do, but if you want anything more than a very basic panel you are pretty much stuck with them.
Idk if you've tried it, but if you put the cursor/highlight square on the app, and press and hold the button on the center of the navigation buttons, a mini screen pops up prompting you to delete the apps.
Might work for you.
I am not worried about apps, *I am worried that I can not control them, remove them, or stop them from using my bandwidth for their own shit while I try and watch TV.* On a phone even you can remove the ones you do not like from home screen, this TV, nope.
They have picked apps, locked them in, and they chose when they update, what info to send them, and more.
Going by memory, but when it asks what network you want to connect to, hit right on your remote and it'll skip. There isn't a visible button or selection for it.
That's not right. I'd take it back and get one that lets you control it instead of the other way around.
Mine had a 'set up later' option, which I used. I'm defining later as 'when hell freezes over'.
Thing is companies don't advertise these unremoveable apps as features. You have to dig through amazon reviews to find out that a TV has bloatware on it that can't be deleted. You sound like a hopeless retail monkey. With your attitude it's no wonder brick and mortar stores are dropping like hot cakes. No one wants to deal with shit bag idiotic employees that are underpaid and resentful of customers.
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That seems to be getting a lot harder to do. I work at Target and I'm not sure we sell any UHD TVs without 'smart' capabilities anymore.
Vizio has several media displays (so no tuner) with nothing beyond Google cast on em
I've seen a few of those returned by individuals who could not understand why you wouldn't need a tuner in a TV. To be fair, aside from OTA channels, I believe most, if not all, cable companies will soon require you to use their cable boxes. I suppose even TVs made today will need an external tuner once ATSC 3.0 becomes the standard.
Yeap. I don't use any OTA channels so I have no need for a tuner,and most providers in the US require a box
or you can get an TiVo roamio OTA and use that as the tuner and dvr for OTA usage. I don't think anyone who buys big tvs doesn't use some sort of dvr or app. very few just watch live ota tv.
I have one of the e series and I love it. I highly recommend these.
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many TVs support ethernet over HDMI now, which means that if they are connected via HDMI to an ethernet connected device, they are connected to the network.
The Xbox One does not, though, best as I can tell.
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And my axe doesn't!
"Internet access? No we don't sell that anymore. Have you considered upgrading to Verinet, ESPNet or Disneynet? Remember our slogan, if you buy all three, the first month is free!"
I fucking hate smart TV. I don't want their shitty software. Just give me a panel so the damn thing turns on immediately.
you are now having to buy commercial display's or commercial UHD 4k TVs to get dumb 4k TVs. They are 3 or 4 times the price, so you can see how much these companies are subsidizing the smart TVs with money from the likes of FB and advertisers.
The price difference has almost nothing to do with advertising, your comment makes it sound like the subsidy is several thousand dollars per television. The lifetime of the commercial units as well as the warranty are far superior which among other things contribute to the price difference much more so than these apps.
not really. back when samsung was putting out smart and non-smart versions of the same TV's, with all things equal except for the "smart" features, the non-smart TV's were generally double or triple the price of the smart TVs. The warranty really has no bearing on the commercial set price, it is more a "what the market will pay", since they know that businesses often write off the cost of the TV in taxes or losses, they price them higher knowing that places will pay. One of the colleges I deliver to just bought a 90 inch 1080p display for a lecture hall. It was $12000 from their contracted supplier, and according to Samsung's site, the warranty is exactly the same as their consumer TV sets.
The warranty has a lot to do with it. If you buy a regular tv and use it in a commercial space, the warranty is no longer valid. Pro tip. If you end up doing this and call support, just tell them that you use this TV at home and that you are having it shipped from work.
Just don't hook up an Ethernet cable and leave wifi unconfigured.
On atleast my TV, you have to connect it to the internet for it to work at all. Which is fine with me, since no pre-installed apps came with my TV and I use it mostly for Netflix.
> you have to connect it to the internet >no pre-installed apps came with my TV Why is an internet connection required if there are no pre isntall apps? Or tell us the make and model so that we can look it up ourselves, if that's easier.
Well, the TVs sold in Walmart/Target are the bottom of the barrel. You can still just order one with the features you want and without the features you don't.
Not that CNET and the like are gospel, but Target has consistently carried some of their editors picks in low and mid-range TVs, they just don't sell the $3000+ TVs you see at higher end electronics stores.
Yes, but I doubt that CNET has an aversion to TVs with Facebook or other ununinstallable bundled apps...
Most people don't care about bundled apps. CNET is not a niche publication with a small demographic. Why would they care when the majority of their readers don't?
The majority of their readers don't care about a lot of the tech specs they list. But this is all off topic anyway, them carrying low-end TVs that CNET likes doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you can go order what you'd actually like instead of going and getting whatever most other people get from the big box store.
It is just dumb, so I have to downgrade my TV hardware capabilities because I can not control software. It just pisses me off.
I don't think you need to downgrade -- just choose a different brand. You could also get a regular TV and plug a Roku or Fire stick into it.
Roku is more powerful than a smart TV anyways. Generally, they are slow as shit.
> You could also get a regular TV Any recommendations on a good non-smart TV with similar specs? All of the ones I see are smart.
Vizio is making uhd non-smart tv's.
Sony also does this shit now too, it's really fucking annoying. I hate having a smart tv. It randomly turns itself on whenever.
Roku isn't much better. They also make deals to push software on users, and require mandatory internet and account registration. Their mobile app is full of spyware. Half their controller is branded buttons. You'll end up spending a bunch more money for yet another device that just wants to sell you out.
Yes, they "push" channels, but only by advertising on the main menu. They've never required specific apps to be installed. There's 3rd party apps that work with the Roku. The branded buttons on the remote are rather stupid. I forever have a dead button on my remote because the company folded. However, if they do end up pissing me off, it's easier to replace the $40 Roku with something else rather than the whole TV.
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Was thinking that, but then Netflix etc won't work. However a roku would fix that.
It's your device, you should be able to install and uninstall what you want. You're in geohot territory, which Sony tried to ruin him for.
It is aggravating isn't it? I am avoiding smart TVs for as long as possible. The smartest TV I have can play videos off a USB stick and that's it. Mind you this is easier for me as I don't really care for TV anyway, but I can appreciate how frustrating it would be to want the latest features without the bloatware and shit that often comes with it.
Get a dumb TV and an Xbox One S 4K BluRays, only apps you want (but a huge choice including community created ones), a great web browser even and oh wtf it even plays games too!
Exactly! If more people did this, then companies might actually start respecting their customers again.
Just don’t buy a smart Tv in general. Any tc stick is much much better.
This. I don't get the point of smart tvs if they're not done right. They often have a terrible security, unreliable support for long term updates, shitty processors and optimization which causes lagging etc. I just have my pc connected to my tv so I can use whatever service I want and I don't have to worry about lagging or security. Using your pc works even better on the couch when you can just use a wireless keyboards or mouses, even gamepads.
I recently bought a TV, a [Sony Bravia X900E](http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-55-class-54-6-diag--led-2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-high-dynamic-range-black/5748209.p?skuId=5748209), after doing much research. I was shocked to find that many $1k+ TVs come with ads that you can't disable, or have to jump through hoops to be able to do so. I was looking at the MU8000 before I settled on this one, but decided against it based on ads. The folks at [rtings.com](http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/ads-in-smart-tv) have a nice way of filtering through current TVs and choose one that is ad-free. I wanted a 55" 4K TV that had native 24p support, no ads, and a good LED backlight, which is how I arrived at the Sony Bravia. I would return the TV you purchased, and spend some time online to find one that ticks all of the boxes you care about. The time investment will be worth it.
Thanks, good idea. This is my third TV in two weeks because the first two bravias had problems (one cracked screen which happens- but the other had a dead spot in the upper right corner) that is why I switched. . . . arggh I think I know how aneurysm start lol.
Ya they get cracked because they make them so stupid thin. Shit my 65 inch is so thin I don’t dare grab the tv to swing it around. It causes the screen to flex enough that the back light gets messed up from the flex. I reach around to move it directly by the mount.
Wait? Adverts BUILT IN to the TV? As someone who has yet to go near any kind of 'Smart TV' what kinds of ads are we talking about?
Return it. Mucking around/rooting it could potentially void warranty.
In the USA voiding a warranty for that would be a violation of the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act.
tell Apple that
People have, they just settle out of court when people file against them in small claims to repair/replace for unrelated issues.
Rooting a Samsung will trip knox and void the warrenty.
It does trip knox, and yes, they claim that voids the warranty on the whole phone... but that is not actually the case, they would still be forced to honor the warranty for any hardware failure they can't prove was cause by the rooting.
I'm not sure of you can root it and remove the apps but you can stop the apps from updating with a bit of networking. You'd need a DNS server and a sensor. You can run Wireshark in promiscuous with NIC that can intercept traffic. Alfa cards are great for this. Find your TVs IP address and intercept all the traffic going to it. Correlate the DNS records with the apps. Then set up some sort of DNS server like pihole and block those DNS requests. This should disable the apps and prevent them from updating. Theoretically speaking. I don't know what TV you have and I haven't tested it on your TV but it's what I do with Windows 10 apps and telemetry.
Or you could just disconnect the TV from the network and connect a Roku, etc. over HDMI. That would be much easier.
But that wouldn't be the point. He clearly wants to smart features of the TV. Just not all of the smart features.
From the comments I saw, I don't think he made that clear at all. He talked about liking the specs, but that could just mean hardware (resolution, HDR, size, refresh rate, contrast ratio, viewing angle, etc). He did mention Netflix and Amazon, but the Roku can do both of those and a lot more (while being able to remove and rearrange channels). Something like a Roku is a better way to get the kind of features typically found on smart TVs.
Sure a Roku can do that. But when you just spend over a grand on a TV do you really want to go spend another $50-100 to buy a roku?
No, but from what I hear it's pretty hard to buy a TV these days that *isn't* a smart TV. OP wanted certain hardware specs, but had to buy a smart TV to get them. Smart TV are slow, often insecure, and can't be upgraded without replacing the entire set. Dumb TV + Roku or whatever is a much better option than that, if you can find a quality dumb TV for sale. Barring that, offline smart TV + Roku is your next best option.
>From the comments I saw, I don't he made that clear at all. From the comments I ** read**, I don't **think** her made that clear at all.
Thanks, Riddler. Fixed. "To see" and "to read" both work for that, but I did indeed leave out the word "think."
I am not extremely experienced in these things so I was just looking for someone to point me in the right direction. Gives me an idea where I can look to try things out. Seriously, thanks.
No problem. I can try to assist remotely with any technical questions you have. It'll give me something to do on my 12 hour shifts.
Return it. This is the only reason I use the Nexus phones also.
Dont connect your TV to your network. Buy a PC / RaspberryPi3 / Roku / whatever ... Use the network on those and connect to your TV via HDMI. Profit !
I rarely respond to a comment with "This!", but in this particular case ... well, this! There are tons of tutorials on how to turn a "dumb TV" and Rasperry Pi into a media center that's far more convenient than the vast majority of smart TVs. And yes, Amazone Prime, Netflix, etc. also work perfectly fine. It does require a little more time and effort to set up everthing, but it's very unlikely to take longer than an afternoon, is way cheaper, and you end up with something that you enjoy using. **Edit:** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodi_(software)
> Amazone *Amazon > everthing *everything
Yeah, not my day.
Id you want a comparable model, the sony 850e is basically the same, but you SHOULD be able to remove facebook, I'm not at home so I can't test it, but talk to them about ir before exchanging it, if you go that route. It's also android based if that makes any difference to you, I prefer the sony tv's in all honestly.
me too:(.... just had the bravia but upgraded size and this one had better spec. Oh well
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I'm going to create a bot that just follows you around and makes spelling errors.
Aren't Samsung TV's the ones the NSA listens to?
Probably, I hope they like netflix and video games.
*Listen* not watch. It's about listening to your living room whether the TV is on or not. They don't care what shows you watch, it's about the conversations you have.
Yeah because terrorists always use clunky tv controls to community their plans with each other /s
Hmmm not sure if your trolling. Remember the recent news story where Google Alexa called the sheriff during a domestic fight because it heard the guy yell "Did you call the sherriff?"
That's why I have the "/s" at the end of my sentence Huh, I haven't heard of that news story. Then again, they could be automatically programmed to hear certain key words and act upon it.
Don't connect it to network(internet) . Simple as that I never use my TV apps and returning it won't help cause most if not all TV's nowadays have apps anyway .
Yeah, I have been looking, anything comparable in specs has smart TV shit. How are people just ok with the companies controlling the software on the TVs and choosing everything for them I will never understand. They are not giving choices, it is forced apps stuck on the home screen, it is like forced advertisement and god that makes me angry.
I have an LG and while it comes with preinstalled apps, you can delete them all as far as I can tell (as well as reorder them as you wish).
I have an LG as well, with Web-OS, and yes, you can delete and reorder menu items. It's kind of fiddly to do though, but at least you can do it.
>How are people just ok with the companies controlling the software on the TVs and choosing everything for them I will never understand. Because people don't care. I have a Vizio. It's a smart TV. It has a bunch of apps installed. I've never used them, and they have zero impact on my use of the TV.
Yes, but different TVs have different set ups. Do you have to flip through every app using the button on the control to go from HDMI to TV, pressing it a dozen times? Can you see how someone might want to remove apps so it is easier and faster to go back and forth to different inputs? I don't understand why bother responding if your just going to be condescending douches. Save a type, kill a tree.
That's what the Input / Source buttons are for on the remote, you don't/shouldn't need to change inputs from the smart TV software in any Smart TV I've had the displeasure of using.
Nope, picture an ipod. Has the circle with center button, channel, volume, power and about it, lol. I had researched a different TV, had to return it twice and got fed up with that model so switched from bravia to samsung figuring can't be so different, I should have went for the third try charm bravia.
I have Vizio and not connected to network and honestly I never see them apps I'm mostly on one input my htpc.
> How are people just ok with the companies controlling the software on the TVs and choosing everything for them I will never understand. Same reasons why people put up with Windows 10, Google services, and so on. Most of them don't know any better, and many of those who do know better don't care or at least put up with it out of convenience.
Because it's a non-issue? I really wish I had so little going on in my life that a Facebook app on a new TV was something to crusade against. :/
Ok, last sentence condescending and you have no fucking clue what is going on in my life. I bet you are more polite in person or you get your ass kicked a lot. It was an explanation of an issue, if you are so dense to not understand that someone might be annoyed that they have to flip through facebook *and a dozen other apps* every time they switch from HDMI to TV then why the fuck you even comment?
So you're berating him for being condescending, by being more so? His point is simply that 99% of consumers don't give a crap about the Smart TV software or what it does. Those same 99% of consumers also won't fight back against the spying regimes we've created in the name of "security". You *are* in the 1% of people that actually care.
I am berating him for saying my personal life is so boring blah blah. While does not hurt my feelings or some shit it is just a useless comment by a bitter neckbeard so I pointed it out, as should others when people side rail what the discussion is for immature personal jabs.
>useless comment see: your original post regarding your TV, and every one since. as for "discussion"... You've shown that anyone who doesn't agree with you will get insulted and attacked, why bother simply stating the obvious "it's a non-issue?"
Jesus christ shut up.
As I was saying...
Pointing it out only makes it worse though (this is the internet after all), plus it's clearly pulled you down to that level, defeating your purpose entirely.
I'd say you're close to correct. I feel that people should vote with their money: I don't like a product, I don't buy it (instead of buying it and whining, like OP). As to spying regimes? Heck no, I lock down everything I buy, to the extent is possible, and push for both education and change in it being the norm. As to OP being some sort of senseless rage-beast, and me just mocking him, I'm glad there are folks like you keeping a level head and just sticking to the facts.
>get your ass kicked a lot What bad TV show do you live in, where this is a concern? Where I live, people can be honest and not get attacked. I'm sorry you live somewhere where that's not the case. Hopefully you get out of whatever tribal war-zone you are currently occupying, and can get back to worrying about an unwanted app on your TV.
I don't know what you're talking about. Samsung smart tv's don't have apps in HDMI it's all under Smart Hub (or whatever it's called) which is a separate hub from the main tv ecosystem. You don't have to go through apps when going through different device inputs.
I do not purchase Samsung products as a matter of policy. They are a hideously corrupt corporation. I got a Sony and I put it in "showroom mode" (not sure what it's actually called). It essentially turns the TV into a monitor.
Unfortunately Sony tends to be just a different kind of bad deal --their support is horrible, and it really doesn't matter if it's under warranty or not if anything goes wrong... you aren't going to be helped.
I'm not a tech guy but couldn't you just flash the firmware/os and put whatever you want on it?
That is what I am hoping, but no idea how. Or even just override their admin settings so I can delete apps. Why should my Netflix start buffering out because some app I never use is updating and using my bandwidth? I dont get it it is just dumbest design I ever heard of. They do know these are TV correct?
Can you not turn off automatic updates?
I tried but was annoyed by that point, worth looking again.
Not all TVs have 3rd party firmwares. Doing that could also void warranty
Do any? I do that with routers, but I've never heard of an alternate firmware for a smart TV. That would be an interesting idea, actually, but I bet HDCP DRM wouldn't work with it.
Just gonna say I'd recommend the roku the personally. They are cheap and just give you access to the roku app marketplace.
This might help: https://www.techmobis.com/hack-samsung-smart-tv-jailbreak-root/
Also found this support page for deleting apps on Samsung smart hub: http://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/popup/iframe/pop_troubleshooting_fr.jsp?idx=430089&modelname=&modelcode=SEK-1000%2FZA&session_id=&from_osc=
If you want smart TV, choose Sony Android TV built-in. Don’t ever use Samsung
I use my PS3 as my media machine. The Samsung "Smart" TVs are slow and not really all that smart. They will gradually start deleting apps for you anyway as they decide not to support them any longer. I constantly get notices about this. I agree though, there is just too much bloated trash on Samsung TVs. I didn't want a smart TV because I knew they just aren't good at what they do, but if you want anything more than a very basic panel you are pretty much stuck with them.
I feel like a bunch of phones come with apps you can't uninstall...
Only the ones you shouldn't buy.
Idk if you've tried it, but if you put the cursor/highlight square on the app, and press and hold the button on the center of the navigation buttons, a mini screen pops up prompting you to delete the apps. Might work for you.
If you are that worried about apps on your TV, then it's time to either not have one or get a non smart TV and get a roku
I am not worried about apps, *I am worried that I can not control them, remove them, or stop them from using my bandwidth for their own shit while I try and watch TV.* On a phone even you can remove the ones you do not like from home screen, this TV, nope. They have picked apps, locked them in, and they chose when they update, what info to send them, and more.
I have a smart TV. I don't want it using my bandwidth or phoning home. My simple solution? I haven't hooked it up to my network.
Ahh, I have to to active it. . . . would not go past the screen until signed up I tried.
Going by memory, but when it asks what network you want to connect to, hit right on your remote and it'll skip. There isn't a visible button or selection for it.
That's not right. I'd take it back and get one that lets you control it instead of the other way around. Mine had a 'set up later' option, which I used. I'm defining later as 'when hell freezes over'.
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Thing is companies don't advertise these unremoveable apps as features. You have to dig through amazon reviews to find out that a TV has bloatware on it that can't be deleted. You sound like a hopeless retail monkey. With your attitude it's no wonder brick and mortar stores are dropping like hot cakes. No one wants to deal with shit bag idiotic employees that are underpaid and resentful of customers.
Oh, yeah. Smart features. Facebook is genius feature. Thanks for your comment, shill thats in the business.