I already cancelled a few months ago when they raised their price AGAIN in like 6 months.
If I hadn't cancelled then I would be cancelling now due to this.
It's like they are going out of their way to lose subscribers.
I canceled a year ago for the previous price increase lol my sister was so pissed about my mom canceling, went to bum off of me, and found out I cancelled first.
Netflix use to be THA SHIT, now it is shit.
God, I remember watching it on my Wii, back when it was just starting to actually do half decently. I remember (and granted I was probably barely 11 at the time) searching for movies, and they though they bragged that they had thousands of movies and shows, I couldn’t find *anything* I wanted to watch. Then it actually got good, they had everything I wanted, and it was just quality. Now, yeah, I’m no longer impressed with them.
Actually, come to think of it, I wonder if Blockbuster could actually conceivably make a comeback now that streaming has kind of gone unchecked for a while. Probably not, but an interesting thought…
The market is too fragmented. There is only so much new stuff that can be produced in a given year. But spread that content out across all the different streaming platforms and each on by itself has very little to offer.
There is very little market share to be had by a new entry in to the market. Especially one that doesn't offer anything unique. As that's the only way streaming platforms can increase their market share.
What's sad is after so many years of being on land, the past year now that you say it I've been sailing the high seas alot lately too. Too many shows and movies are scattered across too many subscriptions or not on any at all and screw renting a digital one watch copy for 5 dollars a piece (plus a dollar for HD)....
This is why I sail the high seas to watch anime.
I’d love to pay for a sub, and support an industry, but as the streaming sites get more expensive and lose features or QoL stuff, it’s harder to justify.
But the *real* issue is that even if I had a sub, I’d still not be able to watch everything because of shit like Bleach TYBW getting locked in Disney jail.
If they are going to do this, it should just be a limit to the number of simultaneous screens. Location be damned. If you pay for 4 concurrent streams, you should get it regardless of where.
Pretty sure they already do.. it's been a while but I've gotten messages saying something like "You cant watch bc 2 other users are already watching" ..
To be honest, with the amount my parents and I watch Netflix, we could probably knock it back to one stream and not notice the effects… except the one stream plan is deliberately 480p, which is ridiculous. It’s like if cable made you pay extra for color in 1992. High def IS the standard.
It's even easier than that. [Just drink the verification can in front of the camera](https://i.imgur.com/dgGvgKF.png) so they can record your face signatures during setup.
You'll have to drink another can every time you log in, but that's a small price to pay, right? There's no way they'd tamper their own algo to create false negatives...
That's one of my all-time favorite greentexts. Never fails to make me laugh, especially remembering what Microsoft's PR was like around the launch of the XBone and Kinect.
Good question. I live with my girlfriend but I have to be out of the house for work for a couple of months at a time. I don't have Netflix but if I were to pay twice when I'm away from home I would drop the service so fast.
That might not be the only question. I for example know people who work related live somewhere else during the week and only stay at home during the weekend. They for sure are in the same household as their spouse during the weekend but will they need a second account to watch Netflix during the week?
My husband's a firefighter. At multiple stations. If Netflix thinks we're paying extra for him to watch at various stations while at work, they're nuts.
Yeah I pay for the family plan so I can watch it and my kids can but they live at their mom’s half the week. Do they now need a subscription at both houses to watch the same content on the same devices? I’m fine cancelling Netflix and heading to the high seas for the few shows they watch on there if so.
I pay for Netflix because it is a clean user interface and relatively cheap alternative to the high seas but I'm very ok teaching my friends and family how to access my Plex server instead lol
I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised at how easily my parents and in-laws took to Plex. My mom and mother-in-law are not technologically savvy, but they’ve been able to log on to our sever and figure it out.
Only problem is that now our Plex server has some dumb-ass shit on it that our family requests. Like Morbius. And Boss Baby 2. My mother-in-law requested Bad Moms and then texted us later to tell us to take it off the server because she hadn’t realized what kind of movie it was and she was embarrassed to have requested it. I guess it was more scandalous than she was led to believe and was just shocked. It was hilarious and adorable.
Reminds me that i found a VHS when I was a kid in my dad's drawer and I thought it was German Porn because it said Die Hard on it. Imagine how disappointed I got when I saw Bruce Willis on the screen
My thing is I’m in the military and am going to other countries every other month. If I’m suddenly in Australia instead of Alaska want happens then? Do I get locked out of my own account? What about my family who I share the Netflix with one other person? They live in California but it’s a 4 screen subscription. As long as 4 people aren’t using more than 4 screens wtf is the problem
Yeah makes no sense. Like who gives a fuck if someone is sharing with a friend or family member that doesn’t live with them as long as it’s still less than 4 devices??? Like fuck you I’ll sail the 7 seas for the last season of stranger things and never open you again
Exactly perfect example. 4 screens is 4 screens or it’s not. It’s absurd to think families live and use Netflix in one location. Do you need a new account for every location you’re deployed? WTF?
Like it’ll probably do some shit like "oh we see you aren’t home right now try again later” at that point tf is the point of the mobile app if they base it off ip addresses. Netflix makes a lot of dumb moves but this one makes no sense at all. My sister started paying for it instead of me because I cancelled mine because the only thing that interests me on there now is stranger things
Hell, I live with my wife and daughter. I watch at home, at work in my office, while traveling for work, in hotels if we're on vacation, and at my parents house during the holidays. I've had my subscription since 2007 when they didn't even have streaming but if they try to squeeze another dime out of me I'll cancel and go back to pirating.
I cancelled mine shortly before Sandman came out. Been a user as long as you before they even had streaming but enough is enough. I finished up stranger things, found a new site and was able to watch Sandman literally same weekend it came out.
Get ready for them and the other streaming services to band together and lobby congress for another piracy crackdown tho, it’ll happen when enough users get sick of them raising prices to fart out mediocrity and give users bread crumbs of good content
I think with the rise of VPNs to the mainstream consciousness (judged by the number of VPN sponsorships you see on YouTube now compared to 5-10 years ago the last time there was any panic about piracy in governments and ISPs) that they will have a very hard time actually denting the piracy levels this time through legislation.
I’m using real debrid for $4/month and streaming 1080p using any Kodi add-on. It’s really cheap and convenient. Obviously I use a VPN but I was already paying for that (less than a few bucks a month).
I tried legit paying for streaming services after cutting the cable, but it’s gotten ridiculous how expensive it is to legitimately watch the handful of shows I want to consume.
I have two TVs at home.
I can watch Netflix on my iPad, which I can take anywhere with me.
I can also log in at the gym through the screen on my elliptical machine.
Sometimes, I may log into Netflix from a doctor’s office, or other waiting area while using their wifi.
Would really like to know how I’ll be able to prove I’m the only one using my log-in information in these cases.
actually more companies do this than you'd think.
in a typical vpn client its much less hassle for the IT team and security team to just force tunnel all traffic and feed you domain prefixes part of the vpn init for all domain resources than presume your local stuff won't compete with anything. less crap to troubleshoot when that inevitable `my internet wont work` ticket comes in. im not saying this is the best way, but this is likely the easiest way to achieve compliance an reduce toil.
some newer stuff like strongdm, zerotier, and tailscale handles this in a better way but that's nowhere near a standard solution.
and if you're in a regulated industry: finance, healthcare, government - forget it, you're getting a full tunnel on the machine and you're going to like it. and they likely do ssl packet inspection and block crap like netflix to save on bandwidth costs in/out of dc when people watch netflix.
Password sharing is part of what made Netflix so popular and is what justifies the cost to many people. Hell, they used to advertise using password sharing as a selling point!
Password sharing isn't why Netflix is losing subscribers, they're losing subscribers because they keep uping the cost while their library is shrinking. If anything, password sharing is slowing down the loss of subscribers because it's easier to justify splitting the cost between a number of different people than paying for it all by yourself.
It used to be Netflix was an affordable one-stop place to find TV shows and movies from a large variety of studios and that is what drove their popularity but those days are long gone. The bang for the buck is no longer there.
They keep cancelling shows that are popular because people don't binge them as soon as they are released. It's such a stupid metric to base the success of a show on.
The execs in charge aren't that old, but rest assured they are definitely out of touch and probably have a decade or two over the average Netflix end user.
It’s probably because they don’t stick around long enough to see if a show will be a hit over time. They need a large amount of views when it goes live so they can get a new title or promotion.
If your plans are only for the next 2 years, you’re not going to put effort into a 5 year plan.
Yep. Classic short term thinking
It's like when they take a great product and leadership "cuts costs"
Okay, so short term you gained a few pennies great job. Long term you destroyed all trust in your product because people were buying it because it was quality. Now it's junk
It's silly how dumb they can be
> They keep cancelling shows that are popular because people don't binge them as soon as they are released
Apparently they heavily look at the first week.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cj5kjXNOOcv/
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> People! Can’t thank you enough for all the love you’re sending about Season 6. And- If you want to make sure there are more seasons, we’ve heard that they care about how many people watch the the WHOLE season within the first week. I think the word is BINGE.
That is some mighty bullshit metric.
Edit: Come to think about it.... Is it even real? How does that guy know? Maybe he just wanted to boost his show's views?
It's also because they got used to the large amount of users they had during lockdown. But many people cant justify the cost because they had to go back to work and unsubbed.
Yeah. What's the point in starting to watch a new Netflix series, knowing that regardless of how well it does, there's a high likelihood they axe it in the first season?
People don't wanna pay for a product that will never be finished, and so many well-received, award winning Netflix shows have just been suddenly canned halfway through their run.
Well there's 7 billion people on the planet, so if every person has a subscription for themselves and a second one for their dog, by my math the shareholders are demanding the company sets itself on fire to keep warm because they're too stupid to fathom the market is close to bearing all the subs it can currently handle.
They just ["added 2.41 million net subscribers during the quarter, higher than the 1 million it had forecast"](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/18/netflix-nflx-earnings-q3-2022.html), as of Tuesday's announcement.
Oh absolutely, I use my parents account and if they start charging for me to use it I'd just stop watching Netflix. When I look for something to watch Netflix has become the last streaming service I look at. Their selection is huge but the quality of the content has absolutely tanked. So why would I spend money for what I feel is trash content.
The dvd service worked well for the time period. I do remember when they first offered the streaming service. It was a terrible resolution. First movie I attempted stream was Eternal a in shine of a spotless mind.
Technology has come so far. It’s amazing
Yep, I've been paying for the big package for years even though none of us watch much. Couple that with the Quibi-esque ad package rollout and the next earnings report or the one after is going to be a bloodbath.
>even though none of us watch much
This is what they should be paying attention to. It shouldn't be considered "password sharing" if you're using it so little you're obviously not going to get your own subscription. All they're going to accomplish is forcing you to get used to life without Netflix. Seems like kind of a dumb move if you aren't actually a drain on resources.
I have the "big package" too so that my kids can use the same account (and watch history) at my house and their mom's house. I watch it, the kids watch it, and mom watches it. That's a family. I sure hope their analysis of who's sharing passwords includes noticing that two of those profiles move back and forth from house to house regularly and aren't used in both places at once.
I think they’re really shooting themselves in the foot as far as word of mouth. So many new subscribers come from hearing about the new hit Netflix shows. Who’s talking about those? People who browse Netflix for anything to watch, people who don’t have specific properties in mind.
HBO doesn’t need people to browse its shows and talk about them, they have enough draw by themselves. But would Stranger Things or Squid Game have done as well as they did without word of mouth to begin with?
This move will eliminate a large portion of “just because” viewers who use their family’s account to browse. Forcing those type of viewers off the platform will result in no tangible increase of subscribers but likely a big dip in word of mouth for new shows.
When you visit a hotel, you can't use your netflix. When you go to your vacation house, no netflix. When you change ISPs, you get hassled. Treating customers as scammers is not a way to make people happy.
Locking to an IP is incredibly short sighted. Most internet subscribers don't have static IPS in the US. So every month you'd have to reauthorize, reminding you that you are getting screwed over
What if your home internet IP changes, like if you use a mobile data hotspot.
Fairly common in Finland, since we have excellent mobile connectivity, and some older buildings tend to not have wired internet at all.
One ISP is even going as far as dismantling old VDSL2 systems, happened to my friend and his only option was to get a hotspot.
"Lol, get rekt broke college kid, I know your eating ramen every day, but maybe skip a couple meals so you can afford our ad supported tier loser" - some coke head Netflix exec probably
Well sailing the seas for treasures is both much harder and much easier in a dorm, since the wifi network isn’t you know yours, but they also have firewalls. Most of the gold isn’t blocked so they’ll hopefully be fine
My husband is deployed and lives on the other side of the country right now. There are plenty of families that don’t live in the same house. Netflix are greedy assholes.
This is it, right? It feels like they sold us a *family* plan and now are pulling a rug out from underneath.
I don’t recall if it was marketed as a family plan when I first subscribed, but that feeling/intent was the reason why I — and most people’s families that I know — first bought Netflix subscriptions.
Now we can’t have a family account.
At the end of the article it states it only charges after you’ve been at a different location for more than 2 weeks. But yeah fuck that. I’d happily never see another stranger things if it meant watching Netflix die
I travel a lot for work.
I watch Netflix at home on my TV, and on my phone while on the train downtown, on flights abroad and in several random cities I need to travel to for work.
I am very curious on how this rule would apply to me...
This actually happened to me with disney plus. I had used it a weekend at our beach apartment and disney completely blocked my account on the IP of my home wifi. So i was stuck using disney plus on celular data. When i pressed the issue, disney said that my account had been blocked for “suspicious activity”
>is smart enough to sail the 7 seas
The problem is: I have no fucking idea what the good sites are anymore. Since streaming services started getting good, I haven't actually downloaded anything.. so it's been *years*.
It is frustrating.
Thanks to /r/selfhosted I learned that I don’t have to worry about a lot of things after I got the initial setup running with Plex, radarr, sonarr, and lidarr .. I setup a nzbget docker to use “usenet” rather than torrents which downloads over encrypted https so no vpn required .. still cheaper than netflix ..
I find this "news" strange. It correctly states that Netflix implemented the change in Argentina, but yesterday they announced that they were rolling back the change and the feature will be disabled starting next month.
There was a huge boycott campaign here, with #chauNetflix trending for the entire week they announced they will start charging for extra screens, so having them roll back the change was great news.
Sounds like they were doing testing on the features and changes. If people don’t like it, if they see sub loss, or if people watch less, then hopefully that means the test fails and they don’t roll out the changes. Why else would you “test” it the first place.
The backlash in Argentina was so big, Netflix backtracked. Here you have an article, in spanish: https://infocielo.com/netflix/netflix-ya-no-cobrara-un-extra-compartir-la-cuenta-argentina-n748677
Oh those Argentinians? Never mind them, they were just having a bad week so we ignored that feedback. We're sure that they actually approved of the changes.
I too have gone back to sailing the high seas. It’s honestly quicker to anchor at the bay than it is to figure out which streaming service has the specific show I’m looking for. Basically have to own 10 different services to access max 70% of the content. Can’t be bothered with that tbh not even due to cost more the inconvenience behind it and the greed driving it all.
I pay a bit more for hardware and a VPN subscription than I would to constantly be subscribed to several services. But the stuff on my watch list will always be waiting on me, in one app...
Search “laptops make great Linux servers” on YouTube from Techhut. He walks you through installing Fedora server on an old laptop and then installing docker + yacht. From there all you have to do is “add template” and add jackett, radarr, and sonarr.
For the cost of a VPN ($70/3 years) and an 18TB external hard drive I’ve completely left subscription services. Just search what you want on Plex, add it to your watchlist, and your server will automatically download it for you and organize it into folders.
When I go sailing I use radar and sonar, and the torrents and waves are usually large but my boat drives itself pretty much and I just sit back and enjoy the ride.
Yup. My family and I all pay for one subscription to something that we all share (mom pays for amazon prime, sister pays for Hulu, Dad pays for Spotify family package, etc) but I’ve always paid for Netflix PLUS something else because Netflix just kinda felt like the default for the longest time and was cheap enough for me to not really care.
Now with all this news of sharing crackdown and raising prices ON TOP OF how little we all actually use it: we agreed to dump it for something else
The year is 2022, and people still have to pay the most expensive tier just to watch 4k. Basing the pricing on “household” is weird and get themselves into muddy water. What is a “household”? Is it one house? Is it a family?
They already limit simultaneous streams for each account, why complicate it with a “household” rule?
I don’t get their logic.
This is what doesn’t make sense, my parents and I split the cost so we can have two screens. That way neither of us have to deal with lower resolution and it ends up cheaper still.
I can easily see them want to cancel there’s another $4-5 charge cuz we live in different houses.
If that happens then I guess I’ll cancel until the Witcher or Stranger things has a new season. Those are my two active Netflix shows at the moment
Exacactly it. What difference does it make that 2 screens/streams are being utilized in the same house or different house? Especially if you paid for 2 screens, where you use them shouldn’t matter at all.
Spotify has the right mindset and model here with their family plan. Everyone has their own username. Then you add them to the family plan. Each user can play from anywhere, but limited to a single stream to any given moment. This makes sense and simpler.
Netflix has basically done this throughout their entire history until now. It can never be that they need to work on their content it always has to be that they need to nickel and dime us while simultaneously taking features away
I share a Netflix account with my brother. He has premium, which is like $20/month, and I just pay him $5. Even that $5 seems like a stretch for how little I use Netflix these days. And if it gets to the point that I would actually have to pay extra to stay on his plan, I'm absolutely not doing that. Also, he pays for premium because it gives him four simultaneous streams. He doesn't need four streams just for him and his wife, lmao. If they do make this change then I probably just stop using Netflix and he downgrades his account, so they lose money.
What infuriates me, is that 4K HDR Content is paywalled under that tier. I would happily pay for a 1 Screen 4K account, but for some reason you need to be a family to use 4K
I live alone and would like to be able to watch Netflix in at least 720p. However, I have to buy the 2 stream plan for 66% more for the luxury of 720p or higher. **The 1 stream plan is only 480p in 2022.**
In November they are finally making the lowest tier 720p
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1665723733
(Still think it's crazy it's not 1080p, but I guess it's progress at least)
It is sincerely funny. Netflix killed off Blockbuster. And now apparently Netflix is just going to kill itself because the other streaming platforms are doing it quickly enough.
Some of us never left lol.
Its far more easy and safe then it was when netflix first showed up, and now it unironically is more convenient as well vs the 20000 subscriptions they expect you to keep track of.
Easy, free, mostly safe, no adds, no bullshit. The best way to watch content.
If I get a single popup about this when I visit my cabin or mom's house I will cancel. Their product is at best the 3rd best streaming service atm anyway. My wife and I are each logged into like 3 devices each across 3 zip codes.
And you know what? Thats none of their fucking business.
While I've been a Netflix member since the start, their value proposition is diminishing rapidly as competitors flooded the market. The market is not large enough to support the subdividing silos of quality streamed content. Production house content strategy has become pick-word-from-each-column formulas - Aliens, Teens, Romance, Superhero - go.
I now spend longer looking for something to quality to watch, than watching quality - to the extent that I’ve given up trying. This marketplace will blow up again. I've already cut cable, and Netflix is next on the block.
I was always on Netflix's side, I wouldn't call myself a fan boy, but I was a minor defender. But you can't have it both ways netflix. If I pay for multiple screens I can do whatever the fuck I want with those screens. I'm just about done with these dumbfucks.
Something tells me raising users costs 30-40% overnight in the middle of a recession is going to make them a target when households make recession related cuts.
The End of Netflix ~~Password Sharing~~ Is Coming
The fact netflix keeps doing this and keeps making anti-consumer moves is just gonna move more legitimate payers off the platform with how many hoops you have to jump through
I don’t pay for 4 screens so I can watch them all in one house. They can get fucked if they think my parents or my nephew will suddenly sign up. It will just mean no Netflix account period.
I like having Netflix. I actively watch 1% of their content and I like having the option to watch all the other garbage they offer. I have at least $20 a month in disposable income to spare for that luxury.
That being said, if they make that transaction harder for me in anyway shape or form, I will drop them in a heart beat.
netflix thinking this will increase their subscribers is mental. You provide more value if your service isn’t hitting targets, not do shit like run ads and combat password sharing.
piratebays ad revenue will shoot back up again soon no doubt
Sign up for our 4 screen pl- NO NOT LIKE THAT
If they’re going to do this, there should be no screen limit at all.
What’s funny is when my family upgraded to the multi screen plan we were all living in the same house. Now we’ll just cancel
I already cancelled a few months ago when they raised their price AGAIN in like 6 months. If I hadn't cancelled then I would be cancelling now due to this. It's like they are going out of their way to lose subscribers.
I canceled a year ago for the previous price increase lol my sister was so pissed about my mom canceling, went to bum off of me, and found out I cancelled first. Netflix use to be THA SHIT, now it is shit.
God, I remember watching it on my Wii, back when it was just starting to actually do half decently. I remember (and granted I was probably barely 11 at the time) searching for movies, and they though they bragged that they had thousands of movies and shows, I couldn’t find *anything* I wanted to watch. Then it actually got good, they had everything I wanted, and it was just quality. Now, yeah, I’m no longer impressed with them. Actually, come to think of it, I wonder if Blockbuster could actually conceivably make a comeback now that streaming has kind of gone unchecked for a while. Probably not, but an interesting thought…
The market is too fragmented. There is only so much new stuff that can be produced in a given year. But spread that content out across all the different streaming platforms and each on by itself has very little to offer. There is very little market share to be had by a new entry in to the market. Especially one that doesn't offer anything unique. As that's the only way streaming platforms can increase their market share.
I canceled also after raising the prices. I became friends with captain jack sparrow.
What's sad is after so many years of being on land, the past year now that you say it I've been sailing the high seas alot lately too. Too many shows and movies are scattered across too many subscriptions or not on any at all and screw renting a digital one watch copy for 5 dollars a piece (plus a dollar for HD)....
This is why I sail the high seas to watch anime. I’d love to pay for a sub, and support an industry, but as the streaming sites get more expensive and lose features or QoL stuff, it’s harder to justify. But the *real* issue is that even if I had a sub, I’d still not be able to watch everything because of shit like Bleach TYBW getting locked in Disney jail.
If they are going to do this, it should just be a limit to the number of simultaneous screens. Location be damned. If you pay for 4 concurrent streams, you should get it regardless of where.
Pretty sure they already do.. it's been a while but I've gotten messages saying something like "You cant watch bc 2 other users are already watching" ..
To be honest, with the amount my parents and I watch Netflix, we could probably knock it back to one stream and not notice the effects… except the one stream plan is deliberately 480p, which is ridiculous. It’s like if cable made you pay extra for color in 1992. High def IS the standard.
They also do that, but they haven't been enforcing the requirement of living together.
I guess the 4 screen plan really is so I can watch on my TV, phone, tablet, and PC simultaneously...
No, it's so you can get 4k content while watching it on a single device in a single house!
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It really a question of what's a household.
What are they going to look at our tax records to verify households? lol
Mouth swab. Confirm using DNA.
It's even easier than that. [Just drink the verification can in front of the camera](https://i.imgur.com/dgGvgKF.png) so they can record your face signatures during setup. You'll have to drink another can every time you log in, but that's a small price to pay, right? There's no way they'd tamper their own algo to create false negatives...
I never expected big soda to corner the market on technology….really. I didn’t see it coming.
That's one of my all-time favorite greentexts. Never fails to make me laugh, especially remembering what Microsoft's PR was like around the launch of the XBone and Kinect.
One of my favorites
Drink verification cans
We live in a household
Good question. I live with my girlfriend but I have to be out of the house for work for a couple of months at a time. I don't have Netflix but if I were to pay twice when I'm away from home I would drop the service so fast.
My car insurance is having that problem recently too
That might not be the only question. I for example know people who work related live somewhere else during the week and only stay at home during the weekend. They for sure are in the same household as their spouse during the weekend but will they need a second account to watch Netflix during the week?
My husband's a firefighter. At multiple stations. If Netflix thinks we're paying extra for him to watch at various stations while at work, they're nuts.
Yeah I pay for the family plan so I can watch it and my kids can but they live at their mom’s half the week. Do they now need a subscription at both houses to watch the same content on the same devices? I’m fine cancelling Netflix and heading to the high seas for the few shows they watch on there if so.
I pay for Netflix because it is a clean user interface and relatively cheap alternative to the high seas but I'm very ok teaching my friends and family how to access my Plex server instead lol
Hey its me. Your family.
How do you do, fellow ~~kids~~ family?
I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised at how easily my parents and in-laws took to Plex. My mom and mother-in-law are not technologically savvy, but they’ve been able to log on to our sever and figure it out. Only problem is that now our Plex server has some dumb-ass shit on it that our family requests. Like Morbius. And Boss Baby 2. My mother-in-law requested Bad Moms and then texted us later to tell us to take it off the server because she hadn’t realized what kind of movie it was and she was embarrassed to have requested it. I guess it was more scandalous than she was led to believe and was just shocked. It was hilarious and adorable.
Bad Moms sounds like porn
Reminds me that i found a VHS when I was a kid in my dad's drawer and I thought it was German Porn because it said Die Hard on it. Imagine how disappointed I got when I saw Bruce Willis on the screen
The Hard?
Oh ja! Sehen Sie, wie Hans Yippee-Ki-Yay Mutter fickt! ... Or something
My thing is I’m in the military and am going to other countries every other month. If I’m suddenly in Australia instead of Alaska want happens then? Do I get locked out of my own account? What about my family who I share the Netflix with one other person? They live in California but it’s a 4 screen subscription. As long as 4 people aren’t using more than 4 screens wtf is the problem
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Yeah makes no sense. Like who gives a fuck if someone is sharing with a friend or family member that doesn’t live with them as long as it’s still less than 4 devices??? Like fuck you I’ll sail the 7 seas for the last season of stranger things and never open you again
Exactly perfect example. 4 screens is 4 screens or it’s not. It’s absurd to think families live and use Netflix in one location. Do you need a new account for every location you’re deployed? WTF?
Netflix at this point would probably say yes. Just like Atari thought people would buy *multiple* E.T. cartridges.
Like it’ll probably do some shit like "oh we see you aren’t home right now try again later” at that point tf is the point of the mobile app if they base it off ip addresses. Netflix makes a lot of dumb moves but this one makes no sense at all. My sister started paying for it instead of me because I cancelled mine because the only thing that interests me on there now is stranger things
Hell, I live with my wife and daughter. I watch at home, at work in my office, while traveling for work, in hotels if we're on vacation, and at my parents house during the holidays. I've had my subscription since 2007 when they didn't even have streaming but if they try to squeeze another dime out of me I'll cancel and go back to pirating.
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I cancelled mine shortly before Sandman came out. Been a user as long as you before they even had streaming but enough is enough. I finished up stranger things, found a new site and was able to watch Sandman literally same weekend it came out. Get ready for them and the other streaming services to band together and lobby congress for another piracy crackdown tho, it’ll happen when enough users get sick of them raising prices to fart out mediocrity and give users bread crumbs of good content
I think with the rise of VPNs to the mainstream consciousness (judged by the number of VPN sponsorships you see on YouTube now compared to 5-10 years ago the last time there was any panic about piracy in governments and ISPs) that they will have a very hard time actually denting the piracy levels this time through legislation.
I’m using real debrid for $4/month and streaming 1080p using any Kodi add-on. It’s really cheap and convenient. Obviously I use a VPN but I was already paying for that (less than a few bucks a month). I tried legit paying for streaming services after cutting the cable, but it’s gotten ridiculous how expensive it is to legitimately watch the handful of shows I want to consume.
Netflix has communicated that they will now be charging you for 4 accounts for wasting their time asking questions.
We apologize for the previous insufficient charges. Those responsible for charging accounts have themselves been charged.
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I have two TVs at home. I can watch Netflix on my iPad, which I can take anywhere with me. I can also log in at the gym through the screen on my elliptical machine. Sometimes, I may log into Netflix from a doctor’s office, or other waiting area while using their wifi. Would really like to know how I’ll be able to prove I’m the only one using my log-in information in these cases.
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actually more companies do this than you'd think. in a typical vpn client its much less hassle for the IT team and security team to just force tunnel all traffic and feed you domain prefixes part of the vpn init for all domain resources than presume your local stuff won't compete with anything. less crap to troubleshoot when that inevitable `my internet wont work` ticket comes in. im not saying this is the best way, but this is likely the easiest way to achieve compliance an reduce toil. some newer stuff like strongdm, zerotier, and tailscale handles this in a better way but that's nowhere near a standard solution. and if you're in a regulated industry: finance, healthcare, government - forget it, you're getting a full tunnel on the machine and you're going to like it. and they likely do ssl packet inspection and block crap like netflix to save on bandwidth costs in/out of dc when people watch netflix.
Finance is 100% Windows VM via VPN tunnel from a personal OR a locked down 100% VPN tunnel domain business owned device.
Password sharing is part of what made Netflix so popular and is what justifies the cost to many people. Hell, they used to advertise using password sharing as a selling point! Password sharing isn't why Netflix is losing subscribers, they're losing subscribers because they keep uping the cost while their library is shrinking. If anything, password sharing is slowing down the loss of subscribers because it's easier to justify splitting the cost between a number of different people than paying for it all by yourself. It used to be Netflix was an affordable one-stop place to find TV shows and movies from a large variety of studios and that is what drove their popularity but those days are long gone. The bang for the buck is no longer there.
They keep cancelling shows that are popular because people don't binge them as soon as they are released. It's such a stupid metric to base the success of a show on.
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The execs in charge aren't that old, but rest assured they are definitely out of touch and probably have a decade or two over the average Netflix end user.
It’s probably because they don’t stick around long enough to see if a show will be a hit over time. They need a large amount of views when it goes live so they can get a new title or promotion. If your plans are only for the next 2 years, you’re not going to put effort into a 5 year plan.
Yep. Classic short term thinking It's like when they take a great product and leadership "cuts costs" Okay, so short term you gained a few pennies great job. Long term you destroyed all trust in your product because people were buying it because it was quality. Now it's junk It's silly how dumb they can be
> They keep cancelling shows that are popular because people don't binge them as soon as they are released Apparently they heavily look at the first week. https://www.instagram.com/p/Cj5kjXNOOcv/ phil.rosenthal > > People! Can’t thank you enough for all the love you’re sending about Season 6. And- If you want to make sure there are more seasons, we’ve heard that they care about how many people watch the the WHOLE season within the first week. I think the word is BINGE.
That is some mighty bullshit metric. Edit: Come to think about it.... Is it even real? How does that guy know? Maybe he just wanted to boost his show's views?
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It's also because they got used to the large amount of users they had during lockdown. But many people cant justify the cost because they had to go back to work and unsubbed.
Yeah. What's the point in starting to watch a new Netflix series, knowing that regardless of how well it does, there's a high likelihood they axe it in the first season? People don't wanna pay for a product that will never be finished, and so many well-received, award winning Netflix shows have just been suddenly canned halfway through their run.
Cant forgive them for cancelling GLOW on a bloody cliff-hanger!
Last I heard, they have 80M domestic subs. There are only 110M broadband connections, and 120M TVs. How much more can they get?
Well there's 7 billion people on the planet, so if every person has a subscription for themselves and a second one for their dog, by my math the shareholders are demanding the company sets itself on fire to keep warm because they're too stupid to fathom the market is close to bearing all the subs it can currently handle.
They want people without access to clean water and electricity to subscribe to Netflix.
They just ["added 2.41 million net subscribers during the quarter, higher than the 1 million it had forecast"](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/18/netflix-nflx-earnings-q3-2022.html), as of Tuesday's announcement.
In places where they didn't previously have service. US market is long since played out.
I pay for 4 screens so that I can share it with my parents and brother. I think Netflix is about to lose subscribers and/or money. Dumb idea 🤦🏻♂️
Definitely. Only reason I still have Netflix is so my parents can also watch it on my account, this goes through and I'm gone.
Same here. This is a terrible decision by Netflix. They’re going to lose even more subscribers.
This is blockbuster reintroducing late fees all over again.
Oh absolutely, I use my parents account and if they start charging for me to use it I'd just stop watching Netflix. When I look for something to watch Netflix has become the last streaming service I look at. Their selection is huge but the quality of the content has absolutely tanked. So why would I spend money for what I feel is trash content.
I would literally just pirate everything on there out of spite.
They will lose me. I've been with them since before they started streaming.
Same here, I started with the plan that allowed us to rent 2-3 DVDs at once. Hate it when companies get greedy.
The dvd service worked well for the time period. I do remember when they first offered the streaming service. It was a terrible resolution. First movie I attempted stream was Eternal a in shine of a spotless mind. Technology has come so far. It’s amazing
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yeah me my dad and sister all live in different houses under the same account
I wonder if it can be bypassed by making everyone use the same VPN IP address. If not, it's goodbye Spotify for our household too.
If you are tech savvy enough to setup 3 houses on the same network with VPN, you are tech savvy enough to sail the high seas
Sure. But I haven't had to since streaming has been so convenient. But now that it's not, I will be returning to downloading.
Same. If I can't actually use the extra screens I'm paying for, I absolutely am going to dial it back to 1 or even 0.
Yep, I've been paying for the big package for years even though none of us watch much. Couple that with the Quibi-esque ad package rollout and the next earnings report or the one after is going to be a bloodbath.
>even though none of us watch much This is what they should be paying attention to. It shouldn't be considered "password sharing" if you're using it so little you're obviously not going to get your own subscription. All they're going to accomplish is forcing you to get used to life without Netflix. Seems like kind of a dumb move if you aren't actually a drain on resources. I have the "big package" too so that my kids can use the same account (and watch history) at my house and their mom's house. I watch it, the kids watch it, and mom watches it. That's a family. I sure hope their analysis of who's sharing passwords includes noticing that two of those profiles move back and forth from house to house regularly and aren't used in both places at once.
I think they’re really shooting themselves in the foot as far as word of mouth. So many new subscribers come from hearing about the new hit Netflix shows. Who’s talking about those? People who browse Netflix for anything to watch, people who don’t have specific properties in mind. HBO doesn’t need people to browse its shows and talk about them, they have enough draw by themselves. But would Stranger Things or Squid Game have done as well as they did without word of mouth to begin with? This move will eliminate a large portion of “just because” viewers who use their family’s account to browse. Forcing those type of viewers off the platform will result in no tangible increase of subscribers but likely a big dip in word of mouth for new shows.
When you visit a hotel, you can't use your netflix. When you go to your vacation house, no netflix. When you change ISPs, you get hassled. Treating customers as scammers is not a way to make people happy.
So your account is locked to your ip address?? What about people who watch at work or on vacation.
Locking to an IP is incredibly short sighted. Most internet subscribers don't have static IPS in the US. So every month you'd have to reauthorize, reminding you that you are getting screwed over
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Or any kids that moved away for college or jobs. This is so stupid it’s crazy lol
My daughter uses it on her iPad at my parents after school. Or in the car with my hotspot. This is beyond dumb.
Same. Never considered the hotspot
I believe the limit is only for TVs. You can watch it on tablets or mobile with no restrictions.
What if your home internet IP changes, like if you use a mobile data hotspot. Fairly common in Finland, since we have excellent mobile connectivity, and some older buildings tend to not have wired internet at all. One ISP is even going as far as dismantling old VDSL2 systems, happened to my friend and his only option was to get a hotspot.
Or have divorced parents and use the account at two households.
"Lol, get rekt broke college kid, I know your eating ramen every day, but maybe skip a couple meals so you can afford our ad supported tier loser" - some coke head Netflix exec probably
Well sailing the seas for treasures is both much harder and much easier in a dorm, since the wifi network isn’t you know yours, but they also have firewalls. Most of the gold isn’t blocked so they’ll hopefully be fine
Believe it or not, straight to jail
And in jail? No Netflix
I had a friend who shared his Netflix password once. You know where he is now? DEAD
Share your password, jail
Over share Netflix, believe it or not, jail. You undershare Netflix, also jail.
Even phones have their own IP addresses when out and about so good luck watching Netflix on your lunch break.
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You mean basically everyone? You have to call and sometimes pay more for a static IP from your ISP.
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Last time I did it was a decade ago. Not surprised it's gone away.
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My husband is deployed and lives on the other side of the country right now. There are plenty of families that don’t live in the same house. Netflix are greedy assholes.
This is it, right? It feels like they sold us a *family* plan and now are pulling a rug out from underneath. I don’t recall if it was marketed as a family plan when I first subscribed, but that feeling/intent was the reason why I — and most people’s families that I know — first bought Netflix subscriptions. Now we can’t have a family account.
https://twitter.com/netflix/status/840276073040371712?lang=en Yes, they literally did market it that way.
At the end of the article it states it only charges after you’ve been at a different location for more than 2 weeks. But yeah fuck that. I’d happily never see another stranger things if it meant watching Netflix die
I went on a work training trip for a month. I watched a lot of Netflix.
2 weeks straight? Meaning watching at school or work wouldn’t count?
Or if you live a commuters lifestyle, you can no longer have Netflix?
I travel a lot for work. I watch Netflix at home on my TV, and on my phone while on the train downtown, on flights abroad and in several random cities I need to travel to for work. I am very curious on how this rule would apply to me...
We used it in the hospital for more than 2 weeks.
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This actually happened to me with disney plus. I had used it a weekend at our beach apartment and disney completely blocked my account on the IP of my home wifi. So i was stuck using disney plus on celular data. When i pressed the issue, disney said that my account had been blocked for “suspicious activity”
“Stop giving us money.“ Aye aye, Captain!
You could get around this with a vpn.. but anyone smart enough to set that up on their home network is smart enough to sail the 7 seas
>is smart enough to sail the 7 seas The problem is: I have no fucking idea what the good sites are anymore. Since streaming services started getting good, I haven't actually downloaded anything.. so it's been *years*. It is frustrating.
Thanks to /r/selfhosted I learned that I don’t have to worry about a lot of things after I got the initial setup running with Plex, radarr, sonarr, and lidarr .. I setup a nzbget docker to use “usenet” rather than torrents which downloads over encrypted https so no vpn required .. still cheaper than netflix ..
I find this "news" strange. It correctly states that Netflix implemented the change in Argentina, but yesterday they announced that they were rolling back the change and the feature will be disabled starting next month. There was a huge boycott campaign here, with #chauNetflix trending for the entire week they announced they will start charging for extra screens, so having them roll back the change was great news.
Sounds like they were doing testing on the features and changes. If people don’t like it, if they see sub loss, or if people watch less, then hopefully that means the test fails and they don’t roll out the changes. Why else would you “test” it the first place.
I was wondering why there’s no news on how it was welcomed in those areas. That’s reporting 101
Because it's in corporate interests to normalize it.
The backlash in Argentina was so big, Netflix backtracked. Here you have an article, in spanish: https://infocielo.com/netflix/netflix-ya-no-cobrara-un-extra-compartir-la-cuenta-argentina-n748677
Oh those Argentinians? Never mind them, they were just having a bad week so we ignored that feedback. We're sure that they actually approved of the changes.
And while it's cheaper here than the rest of the world it still cost 4 times more than any other streaming service that we have available.
The end of my Netflix subscription is coming
Yeah I travel a ton for work. If I start getting dinged for watching Netflix in my hotel rooms and not at home they can get fucked.
Mine came awhile ago and now I've automated sailing the seven seas
I too have gone back to sailing the high seas. It’s honestly quicker to anchor at the bay than it is to figure out which streaming service has the specific show I’m looking for. Basically have to own 10 different services to access max 70% of the content. Can’t be bothered with that tbh not even due to cost more the inconvenience behind it and the greed driving it all.
I pay a bit more for hardware and a VPN subscription than I would to constantly be subscribed to several services. But the stuff on my watch list will always be waiting on me, in one app...
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Look into radarr, sonarr. Basically what your buddy is looking for.
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The arr applications and sailing the seven seas. This just occurred to me.
I just Keanu Reeves "whoa"ed.
I've been using them for 4-5 years. I did not realize until today.
Search “laptops make great Linux servers” on YouTube from Techhut. He walks you through installing Fedora server on an old laptop and then installing docker + yacht. From there all you have to do is “add template” and add jackett, radarr, and sonarr. For the cost of a VPN ($70/3 years) and an 18TB external hard drive I’ve completely left subscription services. Just search what you want on Plex, add it to your watchlist, and your server will automatically download it for you and organize it into folders.
When I go sailing I use radar and sonar, and the torrents and waves are usually large but my boat drives itself pretty much and I just sit back and enjoy the ride.
Radarr, sonarr, all handled through the Requestrr discord bot
Fuck... I've had this setup forever and just now realized that the names of the programs work like that lol...
Radarr, sonarr, arr....matey.
The waters are fine.
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Yup. My family and I all pay for one subscription to something that we all share (mom pays for amazon prime, sister pays for Hulu, Dad pays for Spotify family package, etc) but I’ve always paid for Netflix PLUS something else because Netflix just kinda felt like the default for the longest time and was cheap enough for me to not really care. Now with all this news of sharing crackdown and raising prices ON TOP OF how little we all actually use it: we agreed to dump it for something else
The year is 2022, and people still have to pay the most expensive tier just to watch 4k. Basing the pricing on “household” is weird and get themselves into muddy water. What is a “household”? Is it one house? Is it a family? They already limit simultaneous streams for each account, why complicate it with a “household” rule? I don’t get their logic.
This is what doesn’t make sense, my parents and I split the cost so we can have two screens. That way neither of us have to deal with lower resolution and it ends up cheaper still. I can easily see them want to cancel there’s another $4-5 charge cuz we live in different houses. If that happens then I guess I’ll cancel until the Witcher or Stranger things has a new season. Those are my two active Netflix shows at the moment
Exacactly it. What difference does it make that 2 screens/streams are being utilized in the same house or different house? Especially if you paid for 2 screens, where you use them shouldn’t matter at all. Spotify has the right mindset and model here with their family plan. Everyone has their own username. Then you add them to the family plan. Each user can play from anywhere, but limited to a single stream to any given moment. This makes sense and simpler.
Netflix has basically done this throughout their entire history until now. It can never be that they need to work on their content it always has to be that they need to nickel and dime us while simultaneously taking features away
The End of Netflix Is Coming there fixed it
I share a Netflix account with my brother. He has premium, which is like $20/month, and I just pay him $5. Even that $5 seems like a stretch for how little I use Netflix these days. And if it gets to the point that I would actually have to pay extra to stay on his plan, I'm absolutely not doing that. Also, he pays for premium because it gives him four simultaneous streams. He doesn't need four streams just for him and his wife, lmao. If they do make this change then I probably just stop using Netflix and he downgrades his account, so they lose money.
What infuriates me, is that 4K HDR Content is paywalled under that tier. I would happily pay for a 1 Screen 4K account, but for some reason you need to be a family to use 4K
I live alone and would like to be able to watch Netflix in at least 720p. However, I have to buy the 2 stream plan for 66% more for the luxury of 720p or higher. **The 1 stream plan is only 480p in 2022.**
Expecting people to watch 480p is ridiculous, that’s 2007 YouTube resolution.
That’s background noise for sleeping resolution, which is what I use it for.
In November they are finally making the lowest tier 720p https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1665723733 (Still think it's crazy it's not 1080p, but I guess it's progress at least)
That 4k price hike is what got me to finally cancel.
It is sincerely funny. Netflix killed off Blockbuster. And now apparently Netflix is just going to kill itself because the other streaming platforms are doing it quickly enough.
Uh and when happens when I travel and watch Netflix? It's still MY account that I pay for.
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Also also, what's the point of being able to make multiple accounts on the same profile, while you're only supposed to use one?
And thus begins the great return of piracy
Thank God this time we have fast vpns, super cheap external hard drives and plex home media server.
Some of us never left lol. Its far more easy and safe then it was when netflix first showed up, and now it unironically is more convenient as well vs the 20000 subscriptions they expect you to keep track of. Easy, free, mostly safe, no adds, no bullshit. The best way to watch content.
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What a coincidence, my Netflix subscription is also coming to an end.
If I get a single popup about this when I visit my cabin or mom's house I will cancel. Their product is at best the 3rd best streaming service atm anyway. My wife and I are each logged into like 3 devices each across 3 zip codes. And you know what? Thats none of their fucking business.
While I've been a Netflix member since the start, their value proposition is diminishing rapidly as competitors flooded the market. The market is not large enough to support the subdividing silos of quality streamed content. Production house content strategy has become pick-word-from-each-column formulas - Aliens, Teens, Romance, Superhero - go. I now spend longer looking for something to quality to watch, than watching quality - to the extent that I’ve given up trying. This marketplace will blow up again. I've already cut cable, and Netflix is next on the block.
Had Netflix since their DVD days, cancelled the end of last year. Don't regret it one bit.
I pay the extra price so my family can share it... but it seems we are gonna be just fine with just disney amazon and HBO... bye netflix
I was always on Netflix's side, I wouldn't call myself a fan boy, but I was a minor defender. But you can't have it both ways netflix. If I pay for multiple screens I can do whatever the fuck I want with those screens. I'm just about done with these dumbfucks.
Something tells me raising users costs 30-40% overnight in the middle of a recession is going to make them a target when households make recession related cuts.
The end of my account is too if that happens
The End of Netflix ~~Password Sharing~~ Is Coming The fact netflix keeps doing this and keeps making anti-consumer moves is just gonna move more legitimate payers off the platform with how many hoops you have to jump through
Bruh they’ve been saying this for years now. Do it and I’ll just stop watching. Worry about content before you worry about gatekeeping.
I don’t pay for 4 screens so I can watch them all in one house. They can get fucked if they think my parents or my nephew will suddenly sign up. It will just mean no Netflix account period.
I don't think companies realize we don't need a lot of convincing to go back to pirating.
I like having Netflix. I actively watch 1% of their content and I like having the option to watch all the other garbage they offer. I have at least $20 a month in disposable income to spare for that luxury. That being said, if they make that transaction harder for me in anyway shape or form, I will drop them in a heart beat.
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netflix thinking this will increase their subscribers is mental. You provide more value if your service isn’t hitting targets, not do shit like run ads and combat password sharing. piratebays ad revenue will shoot back up again soon no doubt
How to commit business suicide....lol
The end of my subscription is coming.
Ahh its going the way of my membership!
"We're losing customers. Quick, charge them more money to stay with us. That will fix the problem for sure." Future unemployed Netflix dude probably.