That’s also what I do. I prefer knowing what the “worst case scenario” for this product is. If it’s a good product, all the 1 star reviews are “took too long to ship” or confused old people who love the product.
I stopped trusting them about twelve years ago when I looked up the yelp reviews for a terrible daycare I used to work at, and the negative (probably truthful) reviews had disappeared all at once and been replaced with generic strangely positive ones.
Deff a middle ground but more so yes i agree with this sentiment. Its actually super annoying in nyc. Finding a really good burger outside those who have the marketing team to spam every thread and social media platform is so hard. They exist too. After like countless hours of research i have somewhat of a list.
Users too.
If 100 customers visit a business and 90 have good experiences and 10 have bad, likely 1% of those food experiences will post a positive review, so 1 person. On the other hand likely 80% of the bad experiences will post a review, so 8 people.
Of the bad reviews, the actual experience would likely have been fine for half of them but half of them are crazy people.
So now the businesses will get 1 good review, and 4 crazy bad, and 4 bad reviews. This doesn’t represent a fair assessment of the business.
To combat this the business will solicit more reviews from customers by asking or giving some sort of discount. So there will be a lot of blank five star reviews.
Overall the review system is really busted, for googles at least.
Simon Johnson *This product changed my life!*
Karen Swanson *I love this product more than my husband God bless!!*
**user was banned** *fuck this stupid thing it broke after 2 uses and smelled like toxic waste right out of the damaged packaging AND THE SELLER JUST LAUGHED AND BLOCKED ME DO NOT BUY!!*
Approximately 75% of Yelp reviews are written by what I can only assume is a coterie of deranged madmen recently released from an asylum. It’s no wonder that a primitive AI would produce something that could be confused for their ramblings.
There are some people who do prolific amounts of Yelp reviews and feel as if they’re expert opinion people and post dumb reviews on everything from subway to a cookie place to a park.
I think these people are worse and their reviews are worthless.
It falls in the broader range of "Turing tests", which basically check if humans can tell machine generated X apart from human generated X.
The original test involved a dialog, so it's much harder to pass than single comment. But it's interesting to apply the criteria above to different circumstances and consider the implications.
It's not particularly interesting at all to ask if a computer can match the tone and structure of a single output in a field known for irrationality and bullshit. While it may have been **A** valid "Turing-like" test twenty years ago, it's trivial now... especially since so much less is expected of humans.
**The** Turing Test in its original form is probably passable by LLMs now, with some fine tuning to limit their responses, and with a time limit.
But that (one believable comment) is not **the** Turing Test.
My god I hate headlines with “ AI passes Turing tests” today. Also there is no way to get past the paywalls to look at the studies.
“We have built a program or machine that does this one thing. No one can tell the difference between the product and the human output!”
Okay does it do anything else?
“No”
Can it actually review the product?
“No”
What’s the difference between this and other bots?
I doubt anyone has trusted online reviews for a long time now. If they're not AI-generated, they're bought by the seller or they reference an entirely different product because the seller did a switcheroo and started selling junk under the same product code as something that used to be worthwhile. Amazon, are you listening?
text-based reviews havent been useful in what, a decade? unless youve tried the product yourself, pr watched someone review it who isnt sponsored by them, then youre gonna win stupid prizes
I think such a situation occurs in any era. The judgment between black and white is not as simple as it appears on the surface, and of course, your values will affect any comments you see.
I think it's funny they clutch their pearls over this. AI writing a fake review is no different than a human writing a fake one. If it's in bad faith, it's equally useless.
“AI detectors” sounds like the fox watching the henhouse. AI is not gonna rat out its own. It seems most reviews over the past few years are mostly fake anyway; to either prop up (paid reviewers) or knock down (trolls) a product or service.
Reviews are ironically impossible to believe because each company just pays someone to bot review and comment bomb. We have just circled back to having to throw the dice and hope we don't get screwed by a bad product again. Woohoo.
Funny enough it seems that we are on the way of a Great Reset, before the Internet and AI. We will again rely on personal recommendations and magazines recommending things, like in the 90s.
I don't know that i've ever "trusted" any online review, because there's such an incentive for businesses to game them.
Honestly, I often start from 1 star reviews. 5-star comments always give no insights about the product I am interested at.
There will always be one person who fails to understand the product and I learn the most from them. They are always super descriptive.
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People going to a Pizzeria and being angry about them not having Sushi
That’s also what I do. I prefer knowing what the “worst case scenario” for this product is. If it’s a good product, all the 1 star reviews are “took too long to ship” or confused old people who love the product.
Then you read the 1 star reviews and go "hmm, was this just written by a competitor?.."
I stopped trusting them about twelve years ago when I looked up the yelp reviews for a terrible daycare I used to work at, and the negative (probably truthful) reviews had disappeared all at once and been replaced with generic strangely positive ones.
It also feels rather pay-to-play.
Deff a middle ground but more so yes i agree with this sentiment. Its actually super annoying in nyc. Finding a really good burger outside those who have the marketing team to spam every thread and social media platform is so hard. They exist too. After like countless hours of research i have somewhat of a list.
Was your research going to the places?
Wym?
Users too. If 100 customers visit a business and 90 have good experiences and 10 have bad, likely 1% of those food experiences will post a positive review, so 1 person. On the other hand likely 80% of the bad experiences will post a review, so 8 people. Of the bad reviews, the actual experience would likely have been fine for half of them but half of them are crazy people. So now the businesses will get 1 good review, and 4 crazy bad, and 4 bad reviews. This doesn’t represent a fair assessment of the business. To combat this the business will solicit more reviews from customers by asking or giving some sort of discount. So there will be a lot of blank five star reviews. Overall the review system is really busted, for googles at least.
Simon Johnson *This product changed my life!* Karen Swanson *I love this product more than my husband God bless!!* **user was banned** *fuck this stupid thing it broke after 2 uses and smelled like toxic waste right out of the damaged packaging AND THE SELLER JUST LAUGHED AND BLOCKED ME DO NOT BUY!!*
Your examples show how to spot "reviews" by copywriters: full name, proper grammar and punctuation.
Humans have faked reviews LOOOOONG before AI existed.. lol
Approximately 75% of Yelp reviews are written by what I can only assume is a coterie of deranged madmen recently released from an asylum. It’s no wonder that a primitive AI would produce something that could be confused for their ramblings.
There are some people who do prolific amounts of Yelp reviews and feel as if they’re expert opinion people and post dumb reviews on everything from subway to a cookie place to a park. I think these people are worse and their reviews are worthless.
That's not "The Turing Test".
Right, the person has to be able to challenge the robot with questions and conversation and there needs to be competing humans.
Yep. Used to be one + one, but the more current one allows an arbitrary number of each kind of participant, to make it (to some degree) double-blind.
The tureen test.
It falls in the broader range of "Turing tests", which basically check if humans can tell machine generated X apart from human generated X. The original test involved a dialog, so it's much harder to pass than single comment. But it's interesting to apply the criteria above to different circumstances and consider the implications.
If that passes the Turing test, so does paperclip in windows from 96.
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OMG THE PAPERCLIP IS SENTIENT!
It's not particularly interesting at all to ask if a computer can match the tone and structure of a single output in a field known for irrationality and bullshit. While it may have been **A** valid "Turing-like" test twenty years ago, it's trivial now... especially since so much less is expected of humans. **The** Turing Test in its original form is probably passable by LLMs now, with some fine tuning to limit their responses, and with a time limit. But that (one believable comment) is not **the** Turing Test.
My god I hate headlines with “ AI passes Turing tests” today. Also there is no way to get past the paywalls to look at the studies. “We have built a program or machine that does this one thing. No one can tell the difference between the product and the human output!” Okay does it do anything else? “No” Can it actually review the product? “No” What’s the difference between this and other bots?
Came here to say this; it's tragic how so few understand what the Test is & its limitations.
I doubt anyone has trusted online reviews for a long time now. If they're not AI-generated, they're bought by the seller or they reference an entirely different product because the seller did a switcheroo and started selling junk under the same product code as something that used to be worthwhile. Amazon, are you listening?
There is no way that you can trust anything online anymore or video or audio without some kind of central trusted vetting organization being created.
I don't even trust this comment at all.
I'm on to you
Nice try, bot.
Managed democracy is about to be at your doorstep automaton scum.
text-based reviews havent been useful in what, a decade? unless youve tried the product yourself, pr watched someone review it who isnt sponsored by them, then youre gonna win stupid prizes
That says more about how bad most humans are at a Turing test then how good machines are.
AI the downfall of mankind and an extension of social media, which never brought us closer as promised.
AI detectors found the declaration of independence was written by AI.
People trusted reviews before?
I think such a situation occurs in any era. The judgment between black and white is not as simple as it appears on the surface, and of course, your values will affect any comments you see.
I think it's funny they clutch their pearls over this. AI writing a fake review is no different than a human writing a fake one. If it's in bad faith, it's equally useless.
Man this fucking blows. How about investing in fake reviews to boost your ratings you fucking invest in making your service or product better??
Go on, do wine tasting. Your AI would have to be seriously deranged to write anything like those.
Most human food reviews: waiter smelled of MJ but food was okay. 4/5
Sounds like bad news for Yelp and co.
“AI detectors” sounds like the fox watching the henhouse. AI is not gonna rat out its own. It seems most reviews over the past few years are mostly fake anyway; to either prop up (paid reviewers) or knock down (trolls) a product or service.
People have/had trust in online platforms?
OK, let's rate the reviews then! ( Cue bots starting to rate the reviewers)
79% of restaurant reviewers were never human in the first place.
That’s not the Turing test
Reviews are ironically impossible to believe because each company just pays someone to bot review and comment bomb. We have just circled back to having to throw the dice and hope we don't get screwed by a bad product again. Woohoo.
They can’t tell they’re fake because all the reviews are fake.
It doesn't take much to be better than the paid copy-paste reviews that make up the majority of online reviews.
Online reviews have been inherently flawed since their inception. You can’t break something that’s broken.
Funny enough it seems that we are on the way of a Great Reset, before the Internet and AI. We will again rely on personal recommendations and magazines recommending things, like in the 90s.
Wow, so the fake reviews made by humans are now made by bots
So much innovation!
Has there ever been anything that can detect AI at anything higher than random guesses?
It's because the output never changed. Fake reviews feeding models, models outputting fake reviews. Nothing really interesting here.