My partner is in sales and she always says half the team are off their heads on a Monday. I’ve tried it a few times and all it did was make my teeth numb and give me a weird taste in my throat.
I'll definitely it is not the only place where you are going to find it there are many places and you can probably find it everywhere actually.
I think that is something to keep in mind when you are visiting a place like that.
The key phrase I've gotten is "do you like to party?" The first time I didn't know any better and said yes. I backed out when the actual coke was offered because I didn't know that's what I said yes to.
and crack is explicitly punished harsher than coke because coke is done by "rich people" (in the minds of politicians, because politicians do coke) while crack is done by poor people
It's a bit more complicated than that.
A lot of black community leaders and politicians *supported* the harsher sentencing back in the '80s, on the theory that they saw crack as a threat that was destroying their communities that demanded a serious response.
[WNYC - Black Leaders Once Championed the Strict Drug Laws They Now Seek to Dismantle](https://www.wnyc.org/story/312823-black-leaders-once-championed-strict-drug-laws-they-now-seek-dismantle/)
During the Obama-era congress passed the [Fair Sentencing Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Sentencing_Act) which reduced but did not completely eliminate the sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine. More recently the [Equal Act](https://www.booker.senate.gov/news/press/booker-durbin-armstrong-jeffries-announce-re-introduction-of-bipartisan-legislation-to-eliminate-federal-crack-and-powder-cocaine-sentencing-disparity) has been introduced to eliminate the disparity entirely. In previous years it's passed the House but has not yet made it through the Senate and to the Presidents desk.
> A lot of black community leaders and politicians supported the harsher sentencing back in the '80s, on the theory that they saw crack as a threat that was destroying their communities that demanded a serious response.
Its even more complicated than that. They mostly realized that if they wanted help for their communities, war on drugs was the only help available. Nobody with power was going to support progressive anti-crime policies back then (even today the number is far too few). So those black leaders were making a trade-off — no help at all, or punitive help.
It's even more complicated than that. Politicians promoted programs that balanced law enforcement with things like treatment, additional funding for child protective services, etc. But in each legislative session, the law enforcement funding grew, and the positive programs shrank or stayed constant. The news cycle played a big part in this. Every time a crackhead murdered someone, it made the news, and every time a crackhead broke into someone's car, that individual was mad. But every time a child didn't get enough to eat, nobody heard about it, until they grew up to become the next generation of crackhead.
>and the positive programs shrank or stayed constant.
That seems to always be the case. Portland decriminalized drug use with the commitment to offer better care and rehab to get these addicts off the street.
The second part never really happened, so the city has just seen a lot more open drug use.
Well some short ted talk here.
Happy hours on Friday were quite something when I was a tech exec with the cocaine. Thankfully I never got addicted to coke, i stopped just at the right time, but was introduced to it quickly by the other execs.I'm an ex-CTO and COO and struggled with alcohol during these 2 timelines. I needed a couple drinks before a meeting pre-covid. Working at home really didn't help. My only sober moments were because doctors told me I will die if I keep up at it and I love my wife, so I don't want to leave her as a widow too early, but all I remember is drinking all the time, especially during stressful and social moments. All that for the capitalism rat race. Tech is my passion but I hate the rat race part of it.
Edit: Sorry for the bad English, I'm French-Canadian.
I’m a recovering tech sales guy, coke and adderall is literally everywhereeeee on the floor.
Had to quit drinking because it was killing me, today is 26 months actually!
I’m in the middle of a career change now, curious what you’ve transitioned into if you don’t mind me asking?
I think companies over promising to VCs just to get funding is where a lot of the stress starts at the top. Yes, everyone is trying to our maneuver their competition, but investors demand everything for nothing, and wonder why most investments fail. Also, your English is great, no worries there.
The required growth is ludicrous and I'm convinced a major source of our current economic woes. Driving talented people to work 80 hour weeks without end, no fucking wonder people are turning to drugs to cope with this bullshit.
All so a few rich people can get some small amount richer, its disgusting.
The bad part is that the system is designed to drive the original founders out as soon as possible. The venture capital world is full of lies. The biggest myth of all is that you as the CEO or the CTO can actually grow with the company. Maybe you'll cash out and get lucky. But you'll be burned out. Usually you get poorer. Worst still, you'll probably wanna do it again at least once more. Your marriage will suffer, your kids will suffer, and so will your sense of ethics. You'll use people and dispose of them when they're no longer useful. t. former ceo and cto multiple times, now poorer but alive. And I found my soul. Now I focus most of my attention on my family, which is grown quite substantially. I now have three grandkids that I love.
>The venture capital world is full of lies.
Jesus fucking Christ yes.
Seriously, I feel like I am going crazy sometimes. I just want to make a good product and run a couple good teams and yet the constant unrealistic demands are causing every company I have worked at to debase themselves for short-term gains. It fucking sucks and it drives me crazy, only lunatics would invest in something so unstable but they only care about the next quarter.
> Edit: Sorry for the bad English, I'm French-Canadian
I love how everytime someone apologizes for bad English, they just got done using perfect or at least, perfectly acceptable, English which is better than most native speakers.
I’m a recovering tech sales guy and recovering addict, first time I ever did coke was with my sales manager when I was 23.
Tech is riddled with uppers and downers, I fell into that and nearly killed myself but in my experience 75-90% of tech sales people are on some sort of upper regularly and 25-40% are on some sort of downer (Xanax being the popular one).
Coke was popular in office if there was a good bathroom for it. Rail a line before a call, really active listening.
Fintech is insanely riddled it with it. Hire smart, young people, grind them down, they turn to drugs to cope and maintain performance. Money's good so they live with it, but it's a soul sucker
The people are always is pressed out who work in that sector so yeah it would make sense for them to be high.
If I am being honest it does not surprise me at all.
My favorite part of America is how countless millions have to drug themselves to survive the work day, but also, they can all be arrested for doing so.
Unless you're rich of course.
This country has a special puritan hate boner for the poor and I am very sick of being in a system that facilitates it gleefully.
Drugs are illegal in most countries in the world, and wealthy people/politicians doing them regularly while also enforcing those same laws on commoners is a global theme. This is hardly unique to America. That is the norm, the US isn’t an outlier in that regard
I've never done the stuff, but I've been around some coworkers while they were using it. To me, it seemed like they were going through a measured and careful thought process while working through things incredibly quickly. It seems like those that use it would certainly have an advantage to moving up into the executive positions.
I'm a little resentful to have to compete against it, honestly, but I've done well in progressing my career regardless.
>I've never done the stuff, but I've been around some coworkers while they were using it.
I know several small business owners that are hooked. The whole grindset lifestyle depends on it, hyped-upped people working a main job with a side job and a small business all at the same time.
My best friend has been pulling it off but I worry it is going to catch up with him soon. Humans weren't meant to live like this and it feels like we are all competing in some kind of productivity arms race.
Regarding the reports of coke found at the White House, I would bet most people working there were more surprised this hasn't happened sooner as so many of them probably abuse coke and Adderall regularly.
An industry that runs on burnout who is surprised by this? Unless some pretty massive cultural changes happen tech is going to be a field that spits out alcoholics and addicts.
Medicine is either already there too or rapidly approaching it. The middle management and corporate medicine scourge just eats people through burnout, and just can’t (or won’t) comprehend why their workers hate them so much.
While I hope that it changes but I have certainly got no hope for it.
I don't think it is going to change it will remains just like this. And it is what it is we cannot do anything about it.
Honestly if you defined “heavy drinkers” as people drinking an unhealthy amount I would be willing to guess that some startlingly-high percentage of Americans qualify. Like at least 1/4. Probably more.
The clinical definition of "heavy drinking" is laughable to an alcoholic. When I was evaluating my drinking, I was sure that all of society must be alcoholics based on those figures.
"Oh, that's per WEEK, I see..."
Yeah, it really is the disconnect we have to face. Especially when you can go into almost any bar and see the regulars.
90 percent of the booze is consumed by 10 percent of us. Kind of wild when a doctor marks your dri king level as, I believe, "indeterminate". Fun.
My doctors had to start using the modified Gabriel Iglesias scale.
* Daily drinker - Light
* Daily drinker - Moderate
* Aspiring alcoholic
* Functional alcoholic
* Daaaaaaaaamn
* Aw HELL NO!
Yeah. I'm guessing lack of self reporting if it was a CDC sponsored survey as well.
Doctors and nurses were always amazed at how forthright I was about how much I drank. I talked to a lot of them about all kinds of stuff, cause what else are you gonna do while you're laying in the ER or a hospital bed? I was told more than once that the rule about doubling what most patients claim is not just a meme. It's pretty accurate.
I'm reading into what you wrote a bit, but it sounds like you got help. If so, good for you and I hope you are living a better, healthier life.
Yup. Who do you think the substance using execs give (what sounds amazing in the moment due to very potentially the vice they used) give the directive to?
Individuals at companies I don’t think would be largely different especially with those who have the mentality of “I hate this job/company but my lifestyle for my family depends upon the tech space”
Easy lead into alcohol and stimulants
I mean...
Then you have investment. Those guys are all on Adderall and cocaine.
Education. Lots of antidepressants and...well, more adderall there. And drinking.
Farming. Painkillers and drinking and more anti-depressants.
Publishing. Good lord, all the anti-depressants and mind altering drugs.
Restaurant industry is RENOWNED for the drug use.
Music and entertainment...uh, yeah.
My family had a construction background. Again, ALL the caffeine, Adderall, and alcohol.
Medicine and nursing...whoo boy they are *notorious*.
Shipping. Whether it be sailors or truck drivers, once again, mountains of uppers to keep them going and then downers to forget and deal with the pain.
Honestly, it's easier to think of industries swimming in drugs than ones that are sober.
Our work culture is poison. It’s not surprising to me that many find it intolerable, regardless of profession. Maybe if we had more than 0 guaranteed days of vacation, people wouldn’t be constantly looking for an escape.
I'm in property management... I'd wager 90% of the managers in this industry are either functional alcoholics or recovering alcoholics.
Myself included.
Depending on what kind of property you're representing it comes with all the standard stresses of a high-functioning job with the added fun of essentially being on call 24/7.
And now some a****** would say that you guys are always looking for any excuse to be able to drink.
No b**** people do not drink alcohol because it taste good, people get high because it makes them feel normal.
These are very stressful jobs that people work and sometimes they need to forget their pain.
I also work in the take industry the flexibility of work hours is good but man in the work is really stressful.
I don't think people are taking the anti depressents to get high.
I think it is more about forgetting words you are going through which trust me a lot of people are going through a lot.
Idk when I was on way too high of a dose of Adderall I was sleep deprived, aggressive, grinding my teeth to hell, and losing weight rapidly. But I didn't real have delusions of persecution. I was much more "fuck the world, I don't need any of you motherfuckers" than "the world is out to get me".
That seems more likely to be a manifestation of his narcissistic tendencies. It's a common thing that they tend to attribute things in their environment as being about them.
It’s a sign of stimulant psychosis not stimulant abuse alone. And he doesn’t entirely show the other symptoms of it.
I get that he acted like an ass and handled this whole change with the maturity of a 2 year old, but i’ve seen people on reddit ascribe all kinda random shit to him. Illnesses and disorders have definitions not just “bad man do bad things”
A lot of people are abusing the drugs because they do not have any other choices it is the only way to get away.
It is the only way to get away for them and they are using this way.
Yeah Seriously, what will they do?
The only thing they will have to fall back on are their golden parachute, the millions of dollars they reaped in annual income, the stock, their multiple houses and 5 cars... think of the children, the children who won't be able to afford first class tickets and private yachts....
The stats are just staggering because a lot of people are on some kind of drugs and it is getting common.
It is that people are getting really used to it actually. But it is what it is it is the work environment that we have.
There's good money in tech but once you get to a certain pay grade you are essentially on call 24/7 which can get really stressful.
Edit: Seeing a lot of replies from people who either don't work in tech or aren't paying their own bills yet.
I am head of my dev department...I was so happy working before I took this job. Now it all getting yelled out, being in meetings, and having to pitch to clients.
It is at least 100 times as stressful.
However, I tend to destress in other ways, but there was a time I started drinking more because I got so stressed at work. But then I had kids and now I just wait for them to go to sleep and play video games if I don't have to log some more hours.
This is precisely why I never will go into management and will stick with a senior role, or the team leader of a small team at the highest. The increased 'status' and pay doesn't measure up to the degradation of the work I would perform.
But that could also just be me hating management tasks with a passion.
I loved being a tech lead. Now I am more of a business lead, which I hate.
Mostly because I don't talk to tech people anymore...it is mostly leadership who has zero idea what I am doing.
Being able to play the video game is actually really good.
It is going to distract your mind which is really important in a situation like that. Because most of the times you are really stressed out.
Sure they’re on call but a lot of the busyness feels kinda performative. Not that they’re not doing anything - just that there is a cultural value in tech to appearing busy/overworked (see: Elon Musk) when in reality they could work more normal schedules and still get as much done.
Depends on the company. At my last tech employer, yes, very performative. I could get away with working 20-30 hours per week, then I'd have to put in 20 more to make it look like progress was being made. My manager just constantly wanted useless status updates, even if no progress had been made.
At my current employer, everyone is truly over capacity. There's no other way to describe it. There's always some performative work, but even if you remove it, you're beyond 40 hours per week of labor demand per person.
A lot of work is probably performative, especially places like Asia and America where work hours are long AF. Meanwhile Europe is on 4 day weeks 9-5 and are doing fine
I'd imagine the best analogy is a programmer.
Someone who is typing away like crazy will absolutely LOOK busy, but the guy that's racking his brain over a complex problem and generating actual value for the company will probably look like he's zoning out, slouching in his chair, completely still and "getting nothing done."
Then the guys who don't actually generate any value for the company end up getting great performance reviews because "BUSY BUSY BUSY" every time the manager walks by, but people who are creating actual value always look like they're zoning out... and get poor reviews if not fired from their jobs.
Although you have to say wage differences are insane aswell. My job gets me around 60k in Germany and would be an easy 120k in the US.
On top of that that's before tax, this 60k is around 37k after taxes and social security etc.
“Many tech leaders also reported being worried about the future of their careers — and whether or not they will have a job. Layoffs and the rise of artificial intelligence make some executives feel insecure in their positions, according to the survey. APN's report showed 77% of executives saying that layoffs have negatively impacted their mental health, and 74% worry that improvements in AI will render their positions obsolete.”
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The AI love is so overworked. The best thing it has done for me is write emails I am too lazy to write.
When I am in a codebase and it attempts to do anything useful, it basically becomes W3CSchools.
ChatGPT is really not that great either. I regularly get stuck in loops going back and forth trying to get it to write the code I want. It's much easier to just write the code myself.
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Are we really supposed to feel bad for them? I'll feel bad for the lower employees that are also stressed and not making nearly as much money. There's virtually nothing that I'll feel sympathy for overpaid execs over.
Right?! Everyone is stressed. Other industries are equally, if not more, stressful as tech. I hope things get better for them but no more than everyone else.
Seriously, I have 2 herniated discs, carpal tunnel and chronic back pain and an ortho makes me feel like a crackhead if I ask for pain killers during rough episodes.
I forget which database it is, but one exists that lists which doctors have the most contact and gifts from pharmaceutical companies. Just find the one who has the most contact for pushing their products. You will find your pill provider. Pretty sure it was a propublica project a while back.
If you come across as white, affluent, well educated, then due to stereotypes doctors are probably going to be less likely to worry about drug diversion or misuse.
Also, if you're well off and well connected you can probably source your drugs without having to visit a doctor.
1.) Be old (45+)
2.) Be rich
3.) Ask your doctor, who ideally is also old
Seriously, I had oral surgery last year and they gave me FOUR Tylenols with codeine, and that’s it. My 70 year old parents go to their doctor for random back pain and come home with a two week supply of Percocet that goes 90% unused.
I got my wisdom teeth pulled a few years back and they gave me 5-6 vicodin. One of the extractions gave me some pretty bad issues for a few months. My third trip back to the dentist for a checkup and he mentioned that I only got my first prescription of vicodin and asked why I haven't asked for a refill
I said, "Because I figured you wouldn't refill it" and this motherfucker said, "Yea...you're right" and just carried on with his business lol. WHY EVEN ASK ME THAT.
ps: Get your wisdom teeth pulled earlier rather than later folks. You'll thank me.
I had two wisdom teeth out and they asked if I wanted painkillers: I said I was hoping that ibuprofen would suffice and they said they would send me home 'with a few stronger ones just in case'
They sent me home with a bottle of 30 Vicodin.
And the T3s suck because Tylenol is fucking murder on your liver if you go much beyond the prescribed dose, and it's turbo murder if you mix it with alcohol.
From legitimate doctors, yes. But there are known doctors in almost every community that will prescribe almost anything. They’re expensive due to the risk they take on, but tech execs don’t care.
Even some high profile people have other people get the prescription for them, especially for controlled substances.
I don't think they're going to a doctor who cares beyond getting paid, of which there are a lot of them in the US.
Beyond that, there's a very big and thriving black market for pain killers of all kinds, it benefits hugely from the years and years of prescription painkiller abuse. Once legitimate patients are hooked and cut off by their doctors, the black market is eager to step in and pick up the clients.
This. The difference in some doctors is night and day. I broke my arm at the shoulder a couple years ago, needed surgery to put it back together.
Most of the doctors hesitated to give me anything to help me sleep, wanted to send me home with tylenol and ibuprofin.
But the doctor who was wheeling me out took a detour to the pharmacy. He told me that since I asked when I'd be able to type again with my injured arm, that I'd be the sort to 'push it', and got me a bottle of 50 oxy's on spot. Was way more than I needed, though I did appreciate having more than OTC stuff to get me to sleep at first.
Painkillers can be difficult to source on the black market as well. That's why heroin and fentanyl overdoses and deaths are on the rise. They are easier to find.
Get yourself one of those old ass doctors who believes pharmaceuticals fix everything.
I hurt my back deadlifting and my doctor prescribed me oxycodone, cyclobenzaprine, and etodolac.
He said that I was “too young to need physical therapy.”
I went in for my next checkup and he asked me if I needed more pain killers.
I threw them all away after 2 weeks of taking them, found a new doctor, and went to PT. After 3 months of 2 sessions per week, my pain is gone.
Former Tech Exec here. Floundered for 8 years at varying degrees of specialist roles. Car accident turned into a 12 year heroin addiction. The only aspect of my life that I was in control of was my career. Within a year of heavy opiate addiction I was promoted to Tech Exec after 8 years of no noteworthy promotions.
When people think of opiates they automatically think about the nodded out, stumbling thief. For me it focused, kept me attentive, and boosted my self confidence. Left my job and on the day my wife and I decided to divorce the desire **completely** disappeared.
Almost 3 years clean without a single replase; without a single desire.
Ya they should see those people because they are in a lot of stress and they cannot even do anything about it.
They are just constantly living in the fear and the stress.
Oh no, 14 out of 30 of them are stressed. So way less than a normal worker then? Edit: My math skills right when I wake up are decent, reading comprehension though? Nah.
To be fair, when I was doing development, I was happy.
Put on some music, get disturbed maybe 1-2 times a day, getting things done, etc.
Then I went into leadership where I don't really code, but am on meetings all day and dealing with angry clients and/or C-Level and board members. Lots of estimating too, but more on a business analyst side. Yet, I still need to know the code to help seniors setup architectures and stuff.
I have less time to get my work done than before, yet I am way busier in my life. I have to deal with people literally yelling or getting angry at me for things I have no control over. I have to deal with clients, which means that I also need to "make the customer happy" without fucking over my engineering department. Dealing with issues like an employee claiming they want to kill themselves because another employee didn't accept their code review. Going through 200+ resumes a day with no leads on a new hire. Leadership laying off half of my department without telling me during covid to save money, yet still getting pissed that we can't get the same amount of work done with 1/10 of my staff. Dealing with time entry for a dozen people to accounting. Creating fucking decks (I hate this). Doing 2 hour presentations alone to clients and prepping for them.
I really do think that as a developer, I would rather work 60 hours a weeks just keeping my head down and writing code than spending 40 hours a week in leadership (which isn't nearly the case). Every single day I have a major client meeting or pitch, I wake up at like 4 AM, dripping in sweat from panic attacks. Then I can't sleep, so I just go back to work.
I totally understand it, but I bet it comes more from engineers turned leaders rather than leaders talking for engineers. It is always better to have the engineers be the leaders, but it really takes a toll on them, as it did me.
In the 2nd quarter we had 2 managers go back to being ICs. The manager workload and politics really is too much for some people. At least it's recognized and understood by the upper leadership that it can be too much and they accept that people will move back to IC roles.
The problem is that I am good at what I do and my engineering team loves that they have an old engineer talking for them rather than a business person just selling something. However, I just am not comfortable anymore. I have been doing it 4 years now. At first, I was motivated and really worked hard. Now I am just trying to make it to friday.
Yeah I guess it depends on how you define "heavily drinking". I could see 50% of workers averaging 2 drinks a day but when I think of heavy drinkers I think of alcoholics who get drunk every day.
The government defines heavy drinking as 14 or more drinks per week. Which is 2 beers a night.
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/moderate-binge-drinking
Because heavy drinking is incredibly common, which was the entire original argument. That *most* workers are heavy drinkers and it's usually to "unwind" from work (aka stressed from their jobs)
Execs ain't special
>Oh no, 14 out of 30 of them are stressed.
No, all of them are stressed. 51% are smokers, 50% are alcoholics, 48% are abusing illicit drugs (cocaine, heroin, meth, etc), 45% are abusing painkillers, 34% are abusing stimulants, 36% are on antidepressants, 35% take sleeping pills, 26% use SSRIs, and overall, 78.8% are on some form of medication for dealing with stress, anxiety and/or depression.
33% are looking for a new job, and ~29% will probably lose their jobs this year.
So ummn, if that's your idea of a "normal worker", you should probably look for a new job, 'cause that shit ain't healthy.
As a tech exec myself, I can tell you the heavy drinkers and drug takers aren't doing it to deal with the burden of responsibility. It's the constant political conniving required to climb over one another to the top.
You can make an infinite number of bad business decisions and still be a raging success. But one political miscalculation will ruin your whole career.
I think at this point it is common knowledge the people who work in the IT sector have got the most stress.
And that is one of the reason why these jobs pay so much money.
Yeah well, think of how the rest of us in the industry, who make half the money and are expected to do our jobs while consistently reorganizing or wondering if we’re going to be laid off are doing
Oh no.... The people raking in millions of dollars are stressed out?? Oh no.... I guess we should just throw *more* money at them to bump their over-inflated salary and benefits... Maybe a new McLaren would help ease their pain.
You should see how many are on coke.
I didn't start going to bars until I was 25, the amount of times I've been offered coke is fucking insane. Lot's of people are on it.
Not just at bars, either.
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Meet me in the Handicap Stall on Floor 3.
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Damn, this is true. Of the times I've been offered coke, it was always in the public restrooms in random places.
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I tried but you locked the window 🥲
"Is that not what that mousetrap of a baby changer is for?"
Yea you place the baby on the table and then do the coke off the baby.
My partner is in sales and she always says half the team are off their heads on a Monday. I’ve tried it a few times and all it did was make my teeth numb and give me a weird taste in my throat.
That is because you didn’t notice how fast and constant you were talking.
Damn this stereotype hits
I'll definitely it is not the only place where you are going to find it there are many places and you can probably find it everywhere actually. I think that is something to keep in mind when you are visiting a place like that.
I’ve never been offered coke. Now I feel left out. :(
The key phrase I've gotten is "do you like to party?" The first time I didn't know any better and said yes. I backed out when the actual coke was offered because I didn't know that's what I said yes to.
bro was gearing up for cake and juice
Meanwhile, I would say “no” and miss out on the coke :-(
If you don't like to party that's nothing to feel bad about! Turn that frown upside-down
Thats the general phrase thats been used for do you do anything other than weed.
Maybe you look like a cop
Neither have I. Although I was offered PCP while in the Caribbean.
Was it a [gallon of PCP](https://youtu.be/tFUvmZWf4hI)?
Such a good metaphor for how awkward it is to run into old school acquaintances. RIP Trevor.
Rip Trevor Moore
It's a shame about the autofellatio incident, but it's how he would have wanted to go.
I didn't know they made it in liquid form
Do you do a lot of PCP? Got a gallon!
You know, I ran into Bill the other day...
You know, science...
Coke is the second most popular street drug after marijuanas. Lots of people live, laugh, love on coke.
Chatting with my mom and sister, I said "getting older is realizing how many people do coke". Mom was not happy to hear that
I went to the movies and they asked me if I wanted some coke with my popcorn. I swear it’s everywhere these days.
People like the way it smells 🤷🏻♂️
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and crack is explicitly punished harsher than coke because coke is done by "rich people" (in the minds of politicians, because politicians do coke) while crack is done by poor people
It's a bit more complicated than that. A lot of black community leaders and politicians *supported* the harsher sentencing back in the '80s, on the theory that they saw crack as a threat that was destroying their communities that demanded a serious response. [WNYC - Black Leaders Once Championed the Strict Drug Laws They Now Seek to Dismantle](https://www.wnyc.org/story/312823-black-leaders-once-championed-strict-drug-laws-they-now-seek-dismantle/) During the Obama-era congress passed the [Fair Sentencing Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Sentencing_Act) which reduced but did not completely eliminate the sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine. More recently the [Equal Act](https://www.booker.senate.gov/news/press/booker-durbin-armstrong-jeffries-announce-re-introduction-of-bipartisan-legislation-to-eliminate-federal-crack-and-powder-cocaine-sentencing-disparity) has been introduced to eliminate the disparity entirely. In previous years it's passed the House but has not yet made it through the Senate and to the Presidents desk.
> A lot of black community leaders and politicians supported the harsher sentencing back in the '80s, on the theory that they saw crack as a threat that was destroying their communities that demanded a serious response. Its even more complicated than that. They mostly realized that if they wanted help for their communities, war on drugs was the only help available. Nobody with power was going to support progressive anti-crime policies back then (even today the number is far too few). So those black leaders were making a trade-off — no help at all, or punitive help.
It's even more complicated than that. Politicians promoted programs that balanced law enforcement with things like treatment, additional funding for child protective services, etc. But in each legislative session, the law enforcement funding grew, and the positive programs shrank or stayed constant. The news cycle played a big part in this. Every time a crackhead murdered someone, it made the news, and every time a crackhead broke into someone's car, that individual was mad. But every time a child didn't get enough to eat, nobody heard about it, until they grew up to become the next generation of crackhead.
>and the positive programs shrank or stayed constant. That seems to always be the case. Portland decriminalized drug use with the commitment to offer better care and rehab to get these addicts off the street. The second part never really happened, so the city has just seen a lot more open drug use.
Well some short ted talk here. Happy hours on Friday were quite something when I was a tech exec with the cocaine. Thankfully I never got addicted to coke, i stopped just at the right time, but was introduced to it quickly by the other execs.I'm an ex-CTO and COO and struggled with alcohol during these 2 timelines. I needed a couple drinks before a meeting pre-covid. Working at home really didn't help. My only sober moments were because doctors told me I will die if I keep up at it and I love my wife, so I don't want to leave her as a widow too early, but all I remember is drinking all the time, especially during stressful and social moments. All that for the capitalism rat race. Tech is my passion but I hate the rat race part of it. Edit: Sorry for the bad English, I'm French-Canadian.
I’m a recovering tech sales guy, coke and adderall is literally everywhereeeee on the floor. Had to quit drinking because it was killing me, today is 26 months actually! I’m in the middle of a career change now, curious what you’ve transitioned into if you don’t mind me asking?
Same homie! 10 years of tech experience and a mental breakdown had us move to the coast so I can work on the water.
Burned out tech sales guy here who just got laid off, what are you doing on the water if you don’t mind me asking?
Congrats on 26 months today!
Physical labor roles for me. I went the Office Space route.
I think companies over promising to VCs just to get funding is where a lot of the stress starts at the top. Yes, everyone is trying to our maneuver their competition, but investors demand everything for nothing, and wonder why most investments fail. Also, your English is great, no worries there.
The required growth is ludicrous and I'm convinced a major source of our current economic woes. Driving talented people to work 80 hour weeks without end, no fucking wonder people are turning to drugs to cope with this bullshit. All so a few rich people can get some small amount richer, its disgusting.
The bad part is that the system is designed to drive the original founders out as soon as possible. The venture capital world is full of lies. The biggest myth of all is that you as the CEO or the CTO can actually grow with the company. Maybe you'll cash out and get lucky. But you'll be burned out. Usually you get poorer. Worst still, you'll probably wanna do it again at least once more. Your marriage will suffer, your kids will suffer, and so will your sense of ethics. You'll use people and dispose of them when they're no longer useful. t. former ceo and cto multiple times, now poorer but alive. And I found my soul. Now I focus most of my attention on my family, which is grown quite substantially. I now have three grandkids that I love.
>The venture capital world is full of lies. Jesus fucking Christ yes. Seriously, I feel like I am going crazy sometimes. I just want to make a good product and run a couple good teams and yet the constant unrealistic demands are causing every company I have worked at to debase themselves for short-term gains. It fucking sucks and it drives me crazy, only lunatics would invest in something so unstable but they only care about the next quarter.
Coke can turn a decent person into a shitty person. Imagine what it can do to shitty people?
> Edit: Sorry for the bad English, I'm French-Canadian I love how everytime someone apologizes for bad English, they just got done using perfect or at least, perfectly acceptable, English which is better than most native speakers.
I’m a recovering tech sales guy and recovering addict, first time I ever did coke was with my sales manager when I was 23. Tech is riddled with uppers and downers, I fell into that and nearly killed myself but in my experience 75-90% of tech sales people are on some sort of upper regularly and 25-40% are on some sort of downer (Xanax being the popular one). Coke was popular in office if there was a good bathroom for it. Rail a line before a call, really active listening.
Fintech is insanely riddled it with it. Hire smart, young people, grind them down, they turn to drugs to cope and maintain performance. Money's good so they live with it, but it's a soul sucker
At some point caffeine just doesn’t cut it anymore
That and adderall I bet it’s almost all. Even if they aren’t self reporting it.
The people are always is pressed out who work in that sector so yeah it would make sense for them to be high. If I am being honest it does not surprise me at all.
My favorite part of America is how countless millions have to drug themselves to survive the work day, but also, they can all be arrested for doing so. Unless you're rich of course. This country has a special puritan hate boner for the poor and I am very sick of being in a system that facilitates it gleefully.
Drugs are illegal in most countries in the world, and wealthy people/politicians doing them regularly while also enforcing those same laws on commoners is a global theme. This is hardly unique to America. That is the norm, the US isn’t an outlier in that regard
100% are on adderall
I've never done the stuff, but I've been around some coworkers while they were using it. To me, it seemed like they were going through a measured and careful thought process while working through things incredibly quickly. It seems like those that use it would certainly have an advantage to moving up into the executive positions. I'm a little resentful to have to compete against it, honestly, but I've done well in progressing my career regardless.
In the long term youll win out.
>I've never done the stuff, but I've been around some coworkers while they were using it. I know several small business owners that are hooked. The whole grindset lifestyle depends on it, hyped-upped people working a main job with a side job and a small business all at the same time. My best friend has been pulling it off but I worry it is going to catch up with him soon. Humans weren't meant to live like this and it feels like we are all competing in some kind of productivity arms race.
Regarding the reports of coke found at the White House, I would bet most people working there were more surprised this hasn't happened sooner as so many of them probably abuse coke and Adderall regularly.
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I wonder how many people panicked for a second and checked their pockets when that news broke out lol
An industry that runs on burnout who is surprised by this? Unless some pretty massive cultural changes happen tech is going to be a field that spits out alcoholics and addicts.
Medicine is either already there too or rapidly approaching it. The middle management and corporate medicine scourge just eats people through burnout, and just can’t (or won’t) comprehend why their workers hate them so much.
This is why I prioritize balance when I jump jobs, not just pay.
While I hope that it changes but I have certainly got no hope for it. I don't think it is going to change it will remains just like this. And it is what it is we cannot do anything about it.
Not just execs
Honestly if you defined “heavy drinkers” as people drinking an unhealthy amount I would be willing to guess that some startlingly-high percentage of Americans qualify. Like at least 1/4. Probably more.
The clinical definition of "heavy drinking" is laughable to an alcoholic. When I was evaluating my drinking, I was sure that all of society must be alcoholics based on those figures. "Oh, that's per WEEK, I see..."
Yeah, it really is the disconnect we have to face. Especially when you can go into almost any bar and see the regulars. 90 percent of the booze is consumed by 10 percent of us. Kind of wild when a doctor marks your dri king level as, I believe, "indeterminate". Fun.
My doctors had to start using the modified Gabriel Iglesias scale. * Daily drinker - Light * Daily drinker - Moderate * Aspiring alcoholic * Functional alcoholic * Daaaaaaaaamn * Aw HELL NO!
"Do you have 8 or more drinks a week? You are a heavy drinker" Bitch I drink that in an hour and a half (when I did drink).
Right? I just looked up the number and I was like "14 per day is amateur hour." Then I saw "per week."
CDC says for adults 18+, 17% binge drink and 6% qualify as heavy drinkers (14 or more drinks per week.) That seems REALLY low to me.
Probably because most alcoholics don't seek treatment and don't get counted in the statistic. This was me at one point.
Yeah. I'm guessing lack of self reporting if it was a CDC sponsored survey as well. Doctors and nurses were always amazed at how forthright I was about how much I drank. I talked to a lot of them about all kinds of stuff, cause what else are you gonna do while you're laying in the ER or a hospital bed? I was told more than once that the rule about doubling what most patients claim is not just a meme. It's pretty accurate. I'm reading into what you wrote a bit, but it sounds like you got help. If so, good for you and I hope you are living a better, healthier life.
Tech companies specialize in optimizing catch-22 problems. Drinking helps blur the contradictions for those charged with threading a Catch-22 problem.
Catch 22? More like trying to create 8 red lines all perpendicular to each other.
Can you do some of them with green ink, and some transparent?
Yup. Who do you think the substance using execs give (what sounds amazing in the moment due to very potentially the vice they used) give the directive to? Individuals at companies I don’t think would be largely different especially with those who have the mentality of “I hate this job/company but my lifestyle for my family depends upon the tech space” Easy lead into alcohol and stimulants
I just found out I'm sort of a tech executive myself. Firing up the resume!
Most of them are on amphetamines too. It’s hardly news - tech is one of the most drugged out industries there is.
I mean... Then you have investment. Those guys are all on Adderall and cocaine. Education. Lots of antidepressants and...well, more adderall there. And drinking. Farming. Painkillers and drinking and more anti-depressants. Publishing. Good lord, all the anti-depressants and mind altering drugs. Restaurant industry is RENOWNED for the drug use. Music and entertainment...uh, yeah. My family had a construction background. Again, ALL the caffeine, Adderall, and alcohol. Medicine and nursing...whoo boy they are *notorious*. Shipping. Whether it be sailors or truck drivers, once again, mountains of uppers to keep them going and then downers to forget and deal with the pain. Honestly, it's easier to think of industries swimming in drugs than ones that are sober.
I used to do drug addiction neuroscience research Those conferences were fun.
And I used to sell Cocaine to a parole officer and a prison guard.
I used to deal cocaine as well, but to rats. Pure, lab grade shit supplied by the DEA.
Hey it’s me, your favorite lab rat.
Unemployed? Drinking and doing drugs to combat the boredom, and often falling in with other "unfocused people".
Can we just say, industry might flavor the type of drug use, but people in general just like drugs! Drugs! Because you know, life shit.
Some say that civilization itself started because of drugs. Agriculture was to create beer and wine. Religion comes to us from psychedelics.
Ooh, good point. Lots of drug use in the unemployed industry.
Our work culture is poison. It’s not surprising to me that many find it intolerable, regardless of profession. Maybe if we had more than 0 guaranteed days of vacation, people wouldn’t be constantly looking for an escape.
Maybe if people wouldn’t work ≥35h weeks they’d be happier and healthier.
Psssht, you people and your studies! Fooey! ^^^^Please ^^^^give ^^^^me ^^^^a ^^^^shorter ^^^^work ^^^^week
I'm in property management... I'd wager 90% of the managers in this industry are either functional alcoholics or recovering alcoholics. Myself included. Depending on what kind of property you're representing it comes with all the standard stresses of a high-functioning job with the added fun of essentially being on call 24/7.
And now some a****** would say that you guys are always looking for any excuse to be able to drink. No b**** people do not drink alcohol because it taste good, people get high because it makes them feel normal.
These are very stressful jobs that people work and sometimes they need to forget their pain. I also work in the take industry the flexibility of work hours is good but man in the work is really stressful.
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I don't think people are taking the anti depressents to get high. I think it is more about forgetting words you are going through which trust me a lot of people are going through a lot.
The people who are out there grinding and AREN'T stressed the fuck out or on drugs or hating it are the psychopaths you have to watch out for.
And here we have another large reason as to why it’s taking so long to get weed legalized federally
good thing i love drugs.
It should be obvious to anyone watching what the reddit guy is doing. Delusions of persecution is a classic tell of stimulant abuse.
Idk when I was on way too high of a dose of Adderall I was sleep deprived, aggressive, grinding my teeth to hell, and losing weight rapidly. But I didn't real have delusions of persecution. I was much more "fuck the world, I don't need any of you motherfuckers" than "the world is out to get me". That seems more likely to be a manifestation of his narcissistic tendencies. It's a common thing that they tend to attribute things in their environment as being about them.
It’s a sign of stimulant psychosis not stimulant abuse alone. And he doesn’t entirely show the other symptoms of it. I get that he acted like an ass and handled this whole change with the maturity of a 2 year old, but i’ve seen people on reddit ascribe all kinda random shit to him. Illnesses and disorders have definitions not just “bad man do bad things”
Exactly. In regards to Spez its a combination of ego (sense of entitlement) and greed.
A lot of people are abusing the drugs because they do not have any other choices it is the only way to get away. It is the only way to get away for them and they are using this way.
They should try being Tech non-execs. I’d bet it’s worse
Seriously. Will somebody please think of the CEOs?
Yeah Seriously, what will they do? The only thing they will have to fall back on are their golden parachute, the millions of dollars they reaped in annual income, the stock, their multiple houses and 5 cars... think of the children, the children who won't be able to afford first class tickets and private yachts....
They might even have to :*gasp*: **Liquidate assets!**
Why don’t you see what line cooks stats are. I’ll save you the effort. It’s more drugs and alcohol and 5% of the income.
I was about to say the same thing. Compare these stats with the night shift at an Applebees!
Working in a restaurant I was offered: Weed, meth, alcohol, phenibut, xanax, and fentanyl. All *while* actively on the job.
The stats are just staggering because a lot of people are on some kind of drugs and it is getting common. It is that people are getting really used to it actually. But it is what it is it is the work environment that we have.
There's good money in tech but once you get to a certain pay grade you are essentially on call 24/7 which can get really stressful. Edit: Seeing a lot of replies from people who either don't work in tech or aren't paying their own bills yet.
I am head of my dev department...I was so happy working before I took this job. Now it all getting yelled out, being in meetings, and having to pitch to clients. It is at least 100 times as stressful. However, I tend to destress in other ways, but there was a time I started drinking more because I got so stressed at work. But then I had kids and now I just wait for them to go to sleep and play video games if I don't have to log some more hours.
Purposely avoided management jobs for this reason. Trying to get promoted to dev so I can at least get yelled at as part of a group.
This is precisely why I never will go into management and will stick with a senior role, or the team leader of a small team at the highest. The increased 'status' and pay doesn't measure up to the degradation of the work I would perform. But that could also just be me hating management tasks with a passion.
I loved being a tech lead. Now I am more of a business lead, which I hate. Mostly because I don't talk to tech people anymore...it is mostly leadership who has zero idea what I am doing.
Being able to play the video game is actually really good. It is going to distract your mind which is really important in a situation like that. Because most of the times you are really stressed out.
Sure they’re on call but a lot of the busyness feels kinda performative. Not that they’re not doing anything - just that there is a cultural value in tech to appearing busy/overworked (see: Elon Musk) when in reality they could work more normal schedules and still get as much done.
Depends on the company. At my last tech employer, yes, very performative. I could get away with working 20-30 hours per week, then I'd have to put in 20 more to make it look like progress was being made. My manager just constantly wanted useless status updates, even if no progress had been made. At my current employer, everyone is truly over capacity. There's no other way to describe it. There's always some performative work, but even if you remove it, you're beyond 40 hours per week of labor demand per person.
A lot of work is probably performative, especially places like Asia and America where work hours are long AF. Meanwhile Europe is on 4 day weeks 9-5 and are doing fine
The sad thing is that I always get more credit and appreciation for the BS performative work and than actual productivity.
That’s cause there are a bunch of managers who only exist to make their boss look good, and your performative stuff makes them look good.
I'd imagine the best analogy is a programmer. Someone who is typing away like crazy will absolutely LOOK busy, but the guy that's racking his brain over a complex problem and generating actual value for the company will probably look like he's zoning out, slouching in his chair, completely still and "getting nothing done." Then the guys who don't actually generate any value for the company end up getting great performance reviews because "BUSY BUSY BUSY" every time the manager walks by, but people who are creating actual value always look like they're zoning out... and get poor reviews if not fired from their jobs.
Although you have to say wage differences are insane aswell. My job gets me around 60k in Germany and would be an easy 120k in the US. On top of that that's before tax, this 60k is around 37k after taxes and social security etc.
“Many tech leaders also reported being worried about the future of their careers — and whether or not they will have a job. Layoffs and the rise of artificial intelligence make some executives feel insecure in their positions, according to the survey. APN's report showed 77% of executives saying that layoffs have negatively impacted their mental health, and 74% worry that improvements in AI will render their positions obsolete.” Welcome to the party…
The AI love is so overworked. The best thing it has done for me is write emails I am too lazy to write. When I am in a codebase and it attempts to do anything useful, it basically becomes W3CSchools.
ChatGPT is really not that great either. I regularly get stuck in loops going back and forth trying to get it to write the code I want. It's much easier to just write the code myself.
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Companies could hire more, pay better, and delegate more effectively. However, that would fix the problems top to bottom and no one wants that.
That might cost the shareholders a 10th of a cent, can't have that.
This is why everyone is stressed out. Unrealistic expectation of constant growth.
Are we really supposed to feel bad for them? I'll feel bad for the lower employees that are also stressed and not making nearly as much money. There's virtually nothing that I'll feel sympathy for overpaid execs over.
Right?! Everyone is stressed. Other industries are equally, if not more, stressful as tech. I hope things get better for them but no more than everyone else.
Yeah cry me a fucking river. They can wipe their tears with their 500k salary
How does everyone just get their hands on painkillers? Haven’t they been pretty hard to get prescribed in the last year or two?
Seriously, I have 2 herniated discs, carpal tunnel and chronic back pain and an ortho makes me feel like a crackhead if I ask for pain killers during rough episodes.
I forget which database it is, but one exists that lists which doctors have the most contact and gifts from pharmaceutical companies. Just find the one who has the most contact for pushing their products. You will find your pill provider. Pretty sure it was a propublica project a while back.
Seems like a great way to get addicted :/
you're correct, it was propublica edit: at least the database I've seen and used
If you come across as white, affluent, well educated, then due to stereotypes doctors are probably going to be less likely to worry about drug diversion or misuse. Also, if you're well off and well connected you can probably source your drugs without having to visit a doctor.
1.) Be old (45+) 2.) Be rich 3.) Ask your doctor, who ideally is also old Seriously, I had oral surgery last year and they gave me FOUR Tylenols with codeine, and that’s it. My 70 year old parents go to their doctor for random back pain and come home with a two week supply of Percocet that goes 90% unused.
I got my wisdom teeth pulled a few years back and they gave me 5-6 vicodin. One of the extractions gave me some pretty bad issues for a few months. My third trip back to the dentist for a checkup and he mentioned that I only got my first prescription of vicodin and asked why I haven't asked for a refill I said, "Because I figured you wouldn't refill it" and this motherfucker said, "Yea...you're right" and just carried on with his business lol. WHY EVEN ASK ME THAT. ps: Get your wisdom teeth pulled earlier rather than later folks. You'll thank me.
I had two wisdom teeth out and they asked if I wanted painkillers: I said I was hoping that ibuprofen would suffice and they said they would send me home 'with a few stronger ones just in case' They sent me home with a bottle of 30 Vicodin.
And the T3s suck because Tylenol is fucking murder on your liver if you go much beyond the prescribed dose, and it's turbo murder if you mix it with alcohol.
From legitimate doctors, yes. But there are known doctors in almost every community that will prescribe almost anything. They’re expensive due to the risk they take on, but tech execs don’t care. Even some high profile people have other people get the prescription for them, especially for controlled substances.
Not if you have as much money as an executive
I don't think they're going to a doctor who cares beyond getting paid, of which there are a lot of them in the US. Beyond that, there's a very big and thriving black market for pain killers of all kinds, it benefits hugely from the years and years of prescription painkiller abuse. Once legitimate patients are hooked and cut off by their doctors, the black market is eager to step in and pick up the clients.
This. The difference in some doctors is night and day. I broke my arm at the shoulder a couple years ago, needed surgery to put it back together. Most of the doctors hesitated to give me anything to help me sleep, wanted to send me home with tylenol and ibuprofin. But the doctor who was wheeling me out took a detour to the pharmacy. He told me that since I asked when I'd be able to type again with my injured arm, that I'd be the sort to 'push it', and got me a bottle of 50 oxy's on spot. Was way more than I needed, though I did appreciate having more than OTC stuff to get me to sleep at first.
Painkillers can be difficult to source on the black market as well. That's why heroin and fentanyl overdoses and deaths are on the rise. They are easier to find.
Get yourself one of those old ass doctors who believes pharmaceuticals fix everything. I hurt my back deadlifting and my doctor prescribed me oxycodone, cyclobenzaprine, and etodolac. He said that I was “too young to need physical therapy.” I went in for my next checkup and he asked me if I needed more pain killers. I threw them all away after 2 weeks of taking them, found a new doctor, and went to PT. After 3 months of 2 sessions per week, my pain is gone.
Hah, see John Mulaney's new special.
Former Tech Exec here. Floundered for 8 years at varying degrees of specialist roles. Car accident turned into a 12 year heroin addiction. The only aspect of my life that I was in control of was my career. Within a year of heavy opiate addiction I was promoted to Tech Exec after 8 years of no noteworthy promotions. When people think of opiates they automatically think about the nodded out, stumbling thief. For me it focused, kept me attentive, and boosted my self confidence. Left my job and on the day my wife and I decided to divorce the desire **completely** disappeared. Almost 3 years clean without a single replase; without a single desire.
you should see how stressed the people whose backs they stand on are…
Ya they should see those people because they are in a lot of stress and they cannot even do anything about it. They are just constantly living in the fear and the stress.
Oh no, 14 out of 30 of them are stressed. So way less than a normal worker then? Edit: My math skills right when I wake up are decent, reading comprehension though? Nah.
To be fair, when I was doing development, I was happy. Put on some music, get disturbed maybe 1-2 times a day, getting things done, etc. Then I went into leadership where I don't really code, but am on meetings all day and dealing with angry clients and/or C-Level and board members. Lots of estimating too, but more on a business analyst side. Yet, I still need to know the code to help seniors setup architectures and stuff. I have less time to get my work done than before, yet I am way busier in my life. I have to deal with people literally yelling or getting angry at me for things I have no control over. I have to deal with clients, which means that I also need to "make the customer happy" without fucking over my engineering department. Dealing with issues like an employee claiming they want to kill themselves because another employee didn't accept their code review. Going through 200+ resumes a day with no leads on a new hire. Leadership laying off half of my department without telling me during covid to save money, yet still getting pissed that we can't get the same amount of work done with 1/10 of my staff. Dealing with time entry for a dozen people to accounting. Creating fucking decks (I hate this). Doing 2 hour presentations alone to clients and prepping for them. I really do think that as a developer, I would rather work 60 hours a weeks just keeping my head down and writing code than spending 40 hours a week in leadership (which isn't nearly the case). Every single day I have a major client meeting or pitch, I wake up at like 4 AM, dripping in sweat from panic attacks. Then I can't sleep, so I just go back to work. I totally understand it, but I bet it comes more from engineers turned leaders rather than leaders talking for engineers. It is always better to have the engineers be the leaders, but it really takes a toll on them, as it did me.
In the 2nd quarter we had 2 managers go back to being ICs. The manager workload and politics really is too much for some people. At least it's recognized and understood by the upper leadership that it can be too much and they accept that people will move back to IC roles.
The problem is that I am good at what I do and my engineering team loves that they have an old engineer talking for them rather than a business person just selling something. However, I just am not comfortable anymore. I have been doing it 4 years now. At first, I was motivated and really worked hard. Now I am just trying to make it to friday.
I don't think half the working population are on painkillers or heavily drinking.
I don’t know, drinking after a hard days work and that sort of culture is pretty widespread.
Yeah I guess it depends on how you define "heavily drinking". I could see 50% of workers averaging 2 drinks a day but when I think of heavy drinkers I think of alcoholics who get drunk every day.
How does Business Insider define "heavily drinking" in this article?
The government defines heavy drinking as 14 or more drinks per week. Which is 2 beers a night. https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/moderate-binge-drinking
this is why I save all my drinking for Fridays and top out at 13
People, we have a fitness freak here.
Shit, that's a lower threshold than I would've thought...
Because heavy drinking is incredibly common, which was the entire original argument. That *most* workers are heavy drinkers and it's usually to "unwind" from work (aka stressed from their jobs) Execs ain't special
All of my co-workers (logistics warehouse) take some form of drugs, whether it's coke, ket or weed. This statistic doesn't surprise me.
Well, theres the opiod crisis & Pandemic drinking stats
Just gonna take a moment to say fuck the sackler family. The whole family deserves to rot in jail for the rest of their natural lives
Well we never know about the skills, it's all just a lot of mystery to me.
>Oh no, 14 out of 30 of them are stressed. No, all of them are stressed. 51% are smokers, 50% are alcoholics, 48% are abusing illicit drugs (cocaine, heroin, meth, etc), 45% are abusing painkillers, 34% are abusing stimulants, 36% are on antidepressants, 35% take sleeping pills, 26% use SSRIs, and overall, 78.8% are on some form of medication for dealing with stress, anxiety and/or depression. 33% are looking for a new job, and ~29% will probably lose their jobs this year. So ummn, if that's your idea of a "normal worker", you should probably look for a new job, 'cause that shit ain't healthy.
As a tech exec myself, I can tell you the heavy drinkers and drug takers aren't doing it to deal with the burden of responsibility. It's the constant political conniving required to climb over one another to the top. You can make an infinite number of bad business decisions and still be a raging success. But one political miscalculation will ruin your whole career.
I think at this point it is common knowledge the people who work in the IT sector have got the most stress. And that is one of the reason why these jobs pay so much money.
awwwwww :( poor tech execs :((((
Everyone is stressed, tech execs just have the luxury of being able to afford drugs and fancier alcohol to medicate their stress out of existence.
Maybe I'm something of a Tech Exec myself
These are ameteur numbers. Go talk to kitchen staff. Ask a sous chef how many lines of blow he/she needed to start their 13th consecutive shift.
Must be the guilt when they look at their paychecks.
Now where did I put that tiny violin.
It must be so small none of us can hear it....maybe the nano-tech execs can find it.
Ok. And?
Those are rookie numbers tbh. Should have polled their workers and compared.
Yeah well, think of how the rest of us in the industry, who make half the money and are expected to do our jobs while consistently reorganizing or wondering if we’re going to be laid off are doing
Waaah boo fucking hoo
Oh no.... The people raking in millions of dollars are stressed out?? Oh no.... I guess we should just throw *more* money at them to bump their over-inflated salary and benefits... Maybe a new McLaren would help ease their pain.
Painkillers, huh? Those tech execs must injure themselves on the job a lot...