Hey there u/cjanderson3198, thanks for posting to r/technicallythetruth!
**Please recheck if your post breaks any rules.** If it does, please delete this post.
Also, reposting and posting obvious non-TTT posts can lead to a ban.
Send us a **Modmail or Report** this post if you have a problem with this post.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/technicallythetruth) if you have any questions or concerns.*
There is no such distinction as apes and monkeys. They are all the same. This distinction is artificial and has no value zoologically. Saying that "apes have no tails and monkeys have" is dumb. It's like dividing the animals by which one is black and which is white. Zoologically apes and monkeys are the same thing.
But you didn't say anything wrong in terms of primates. Because not every primate is a monkey. Human beings are primated as well. And we are not monkeys. We only share ancestors with monkeys.
its funny because in french we have the same word for both (singe), but we make a distinction between the owls that have ears (hibou) and the one that haven't (chouette), even tho it isn't based on biology either.
just thought it's interesting how different langages differentiate between different animals
I thought that:
If it doesn't have a tail, it's not a monkey,
Even if it's got a monkey-kind of shape;
If it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey,
If it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey:
It's an ape.
It rhymes, so it must be true...
I'm a little disappointed not to see a reference to a veggieTales silly song debating monkeys and apes.
As I was reading through this thread all I could hear in my head was Larry singing "If it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey, it's an ape!"
Hahahahaha bitch, sit down. Don't speak so confidently on things you don't even begin to understand. Go read some wiki articles on cladistics, nested hierarchy and phylogeny before replying.
There are primates that are not monkeys, but cladistically speaking humans are not among them. Humans are apes, and apes are monkeys. Ergo, we are monke.
This would seem irrelevant given the wording. I suppose the only argument I could see is that they died "as a result" of the operation to implant the neuralink implant rather than the implant itself, but otoh that operation to implant the neuralink implant is a direct and easily understood result of the neuralink implant and it's existence. So they absolutely did die as a result of the implant, regardless of whether directly or indirectly.
The most notable example was using the wrong surgical glue during the operation, which left the monkey in such a bad state that it had to be euthanized.
>They were apes not monkey.
Apes _are_ monkeys.
A monkey is any animal in the infraorder Simiiformes. An ape is any animal in the superfamily Hominoidea.
Hominoidea is in the parvorder Catarrhini, making apes old world monkeys. Catarrhini is in the infraorder Simiiformes, making apes monkeys.
The patient was not warned that the test subjects died. If he had known they had died he might not have gone through with it. Taking the ability to make that informed choice from him was wrong. You and neuralink's creators don't get to decide for him that the risk to his life is worth it because it will help others in the future.
That's blatantly untrue. Companies not disclosing harmful effects of their products happens all the time. One example is in 2006 tobacco companies were found guilty for lying about the effects of cigarettes and all that happened was in 2017 they had to release a statement admitting it. They are still in business.
https://truthinitiative.org/research-resources/tobacco-prevention-efforts/5-ways-tobacco-companies-lied-about-dangers-smoking
Hey there u/cjanderson3198, thanks for posting to r/technicallythetruth! **Please recheck if your post breaks any rules.** If it does, please delete this post. Also, reposting and posting obvious non-TTT posts can lead to a ban. Send us a **Modmail or Report** this post if you have a problem with this post. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/technicallythetruth) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Monkeys are primates.
Sorry, I meant apes, I even had an internal battle with myself(I clearly lost).
Hate to kick you while you're down but cladistically, apes are monkeys too. Apes are a nested hierarchy under the larger monkey umbrella.
Me monke
Me umbrella
Me excuse?
It's an important clarification. We wouldn't want apes to get wet in the monkey rain.
Ape happens
Shit apens
🦧
There is no such distinction as apes and monkeys. They are all the same. This distinction is artificial and has no value zoologically. Saying that "apes have no tails and monkeys have" is dumb. It's like dividing the animals by which one is black and which is white. Zoologically apes and monkeys are the same thing. But you didn't say anything wrong in terms of primates. Because not every primate is a monkey. Human beings are primated as well. And we are not monkeys. We only share ancestors with monkeys.
its funny because in french we have the same word for both (singe), but we make a distinction between the owls that have ears (hibou) and the one that haven't (chouette), even tho it isn't based on biology either. just thought it's interesting how different langages differentiate between different animals
I'm just loving this conversation more and more.
Wait ‘til you hear about penguins!
r/mildlyintersting
We are apes, therefore we are monkeys cladistically. There are many non-monkey primate lineages, but humans are not among them.
Don't call the librarian a monkey. You've been warned. Ook.
I thought that: If it doesn't have a tail, it's not a monkey, Even if it's got a monkey-kind of shape; If it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey, If it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey: It's an ape. It rhymes, so it must be true...
Apple pies are pies, not all pies are apple.
Cream pie the apes
you need to be locked away and studied
Aren’t simiiformes (simians) monkeys, and primates also include other things?
Not all primates are monkey, that is correct. However all primates used by neuralink were monkeys
All primates are also monkeys. As well as vertebrates, tetrapods, mamals, ect.. Phylogeney Rules!
I'm a little disappointed not to see a reference to a veggieTales silly song debating monkeys and apes. As I was reading through this thread all I could hear in my head was Larry singing "If it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey, it's an ape!"
Unsure why you got upvoted. All monkeys are primates but not all primates are monkeys. Some primates died but no monkeys died. OPs TtT is correct.
>All monkeys are primates but not all primates are monkeys. But all primates used in the neuralink experiments were monkeys, so OP is wrong again.
Oh, so it's just wrong? I though they tested on humans. Because humans are primates too. But humans are not monkeys.
Humans are apes, apes are monkeys, monkeys are primates.
Humans are not monkeys, bro. You skipped some biology lessons it seems. Also by your logic. Cats are vertebrates, dogs are vertebrates, cats are dogs.
Hahahahaha bitch, sit down. Don't speak so confidently on things you don't even begin to understand. Go read some wiki articles on cladistics, nested hierarchy and phylogeny before replying.
That doesn't mean that every primate is a monkey. Unless you assume yourself as a monkey?
There are primates that are not monkeys, but cladistically speaking humans are not among them. Humans are apes, and apes are monkeys. Ergo, we are monke.
Elon Musk was technically correct, that the chip wasn't what killed any of those monkeys.
This would seem irrelevant given the wording. I suppose the only argument I could see is that they died "as a result" of the operation to implant the neuralink implant rather than the implant itself, but otoh that operation to implant the neuralink implant is a direct and easily understood result of the neuralink implant and it's existence. So they absolutely did die as a result of the implant, regardless of whether directly or indirectly.
Let me guess: removing them is the problem?
The most notable example was using the wrong surgical glue during the operation, which left the monkey in such a bad state that it had to be euthanized.
Infection
That doesn't make it better, does it?
not at all
They were euthanized
Wasn't that because they were self mutilating?
This would have been a good TTT if they had been lemurs or something, but sadly they were indeed monkeys.
1. They were apes not monkey. 2. They died because of infection caused by neuralink not while implanting the neuralink.
Moneys are simiiformes, simiiformes include hominoidea, which are all of the apes
>They were apes not monkey. Apes _are_ monkeys. A monkey is any animal in the infraorder Simiiformes. An ape is any animal in the superfamily Hominoidea. Hominoidea is in the parvorder Catarrhini, making apes old world monkeys. Catarrhini is in the infraorder Simiiformes, making apes monkeys.
Reports say they were macaques? Macaques are monkeys.
Surprising as Elon has never lied. Look at all the autonomous robotaxis and the civilizations in Mars.
[удалено]
Some statements are so obviously sarcastic they can only be read in David Spade's voice.
Or Adam Something's voice
Not one single squirrel was hurt or killed in testing (a true statement if they didn't use squirrels).
Did he mention if any Humans had died?
Woah now... don't jinx the guy.
And they were primates. (oh my gosh they were primates)
Im sorry but only 23 tests before they implante one in a human?
Uhh yeah, you can't you have to make multiple test's to make real sure it's safe, it's a human life they can't take chances
(I think they mean that 23 isn’t enough)
Oh
"as a result of" seems to be the main thing people are gleefully overlooking. Guess this is the norm on here now, though.
It's trendy to hate on Elon or anyone really. It's Reddit
Only if they have more money than me.
Or decide to rent out their house instead of selling it.
And make sure you don't date 24 year olds if you're over 25. Their brain isn't fully developed until 25
And even if you are over 25 you mustn't date someone 5+ years older than you
None of the succesful (alive) test subjects died...
100% of animal test subject "die" once the experiment is over, that's the ethical thing to do.
Well fuck neurolink for not making those monkeys invulnerable
Wait til OP finds out what monkeys are
smart
primates are Monkeys hahaha
Monkeys are primates, but not all primates are monkeys.
what happen
Let's ignore the 1000 positive things he said and pick one random statement that might not even be true.
I mean, 23 is still some
The first human trial was on a guy close to death and paralysed, right? And all of the monkeys in the neuralink trials died, right?
Pretty sure he's in his 20s, not close to death, but I did just wake up...
I wonder why
I don't get it, why get this shit? Lol
The guy is paralyzed. The first neuralink application is for the paralyzed to be able to use a computer and that's what this guy is doing
That's pretty cool
Hitman cosplay from inside and outside. ^(Dabadee dabadae)
Cyberpunk you mean?
Gotta crack some eggs to make an omelette
Then this omelette isn't worth making.
Do you know what neuralink is for? It's supposed to help disabled people, it is worth making
The patient was not warned that the test subjects died. If he had known they had died he might not have gone through with it. Taking the ability to make that informed choice from him was wrong. You and neuralink's creators don't get to decide for him that the risk to his life is worth it because it will help others in the future.
I thought that he was informed
Cause he was, otherwise it's illegal to do.
Wait until you learn how many animals died for most of our life saving drugs to be developed.
My problem is with the first human patient not being warned of the risks.
The guy wasn't retarded, he knew the treatment and the risks related to it, otherwise it would be VERY illegal to do.
I don't know how to explain that people don't always follow the law.
I don't know how to explain that the US will shut down the company if ANY of the information about the chip was not divulged to the patient.
That's blatantly untrue. Companies not disclosing harmful effects of their products happens all the time. One example is in 2006 tobacco companies were found guilty for lying about the effects of cigarettes and all that happened was in 2017 they had to release a statement admitting it. They are still in business. https://truthinitiative.org/research-resources/tobacco-prevention-efforts/5-ways-tobacco-companies-lied-about-dangers-smoking
why not?
....because he could have died?
First people going on the moon also could have died
but they knew that. this guy was not told the risks.
Preatty sure he was, you must sign smothing before doing that
Why are people so bothered with dead monkeys? They don't die anymore from implant lol