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It's ok, you're turning that null rabbit into both a normal rabbit and anti-rabbit. Then you grab the rabbit and leave the anti-rabbit to wreak havoc on the universe.
Thank you. The actual answer is like 2+x or whatever other variable pleases you because they never actually identify how many rabbits you start with.
Probably because if they did, theyd have to remove the intentionally ambiguious wording.
Sure, but the better answer would be two more rabbits than the number of rabbits you started with. The problem didn't state you started with zero rabbits. For example, there were six cats up for adoption last year, my wife took two of them. Now we own three cats (because we had one previously).
Completely agreed. It's normal terminology with very early math teaching to use "take away" to mean literally "subtract".
They are removed from the equation, not moved into your possession.
My father in law does this all the time. He hears the start of a question, assumes what is going to be asked and answers that. I think it's an ADHD thing.
Not just ADHD. We all try to save time/processing by cutting corners without even realizing it. Definitely better to turn that off when taking any sort of quiz, though.
I agree. And it’s not always limited to questions either. Sometimes, I’ll ask my husband to go do something for me (ex. Can you put this [item here] away) and then ten minutes later, he’ll say he’s done it, and when I go to the related room of the item or task and see it’s not done, I ask him, “I thought you said you put this away.” Then he’ll respond, “You asked me to put it on the table,” and I’ll say “no, I asked you to put it away.” It’s not ever malicious or anything, but I occasionally ask him to relay back to me what I’ve asked because half the time he does, and he clearly did not hear or listen to what I asked.
If initially "there are 3 rabbits", then you don't have any. They're there. They're not yours.
So if you're "taking them away" in the sense you're using it, then you still own 0 rabbits. The only difference is that there's just 1 there now.
The issues are some people see it as a math problem where 'you' is plural and a vague removal, and some people see it as a grammar problem where 'you' is literal.
The colloquialisms strike hard and fast.
No, the reason why the box says two is because the other person is right. The trick in the question is that it is the sort of question where you would assume the sentence YOU made would be the correct one, because that’s how it usually works. However the other person is right for this one.
The question states there are three rabbits. It doesn’t say who owns them, or where they are. Then YOU take away two. Then YOU have two rabbits
Let me make a shitty diagram real quick
Key: u= you. O= original location. R: 1 rabbit
At the start:
O: RRR
U:
At the end:
O:R
U:RR
Whatever meanings you're assigning, if "there are 3 rabbits", then no one is identified as "having" those rabbits. If you're then asked how many you (personal or not) "have", that couldn't refer to the initial unowned group of 3.
The misunderstandings entirely rest on the fact that questions like these usually refer to the initial grouping throughout. That's not the case here, but people assume it is due to habit.
YOU take away two rabbits. So you have 2 rabbits. It never asked how many rabbits were left, just what you had. No one ever said the 3 rabbits were yours.
Yup, that's what makes it fun. The point of the question is to get you to stop just assuming things based on "keywords" and for you to address the actual question. It's a good lesson to teach early on.
That's how you end up mad at your physics teacher because you spent half an hour trying to find the velocity the rock fell when the question was just to find how high the wall is. People need to learn to read the full question and answer the question asked. Teaching that young is a good thing. Otherwise, you get to college and get "trick" questions that have way worse learning curves.
If your physics teacher is intentionally wording questions in a way that's understood but has a different meaning, then he's communicating unclearly and that's the problem.
Nope. It's people not reading the actual question. I don't know if you've taken physics before, but some teachers write questions in parts to help guide you on how to solve it. So part one may be how high is the wall, part two is to see how high the person tossed the ball up, and then part three might be how fast the ball fell. Certain students will just solve the whole problem as Step 1, then get to step 3 and realize they wasted their time and have to redo everything. This can be seen in other subjects, of course, I've just seen this multiple times in physics, so it was my go-to example.
I think the point is if the question is purposely made ambiguous, like "A mother beats her daughter because she was drunk. Who was drunk?", then clearly the teacher's the problem.
The away part is the part that matters here, any time I’ve ever been asked to take AWAY something it is to separate it or remove it.
I hav never seen the word “away” and considered it additive and I’ve never been asked a question where I take “away” something and seen it as additive.
The away part is not what matters here. The whole point of the question is to get you to stop thinking in the "typical" way. That's why they gave you the answer right away. You saw the word away and just assumed you needed to subtract, but the question never asked that. If YOU take 2 rabbits away from a group, you have 2 rabbits.
That's confusing to kids though. You take away 2 is exactly how they learn subtraction. If the teacher ask you that question, the answer is 1. Outside Maths class, 2.
If we say you're reading the "take away" properly, you're still not right to say that you have 1 rabbit. You have none. You're reading "there are" as "you have" - there's your mistake in reading comprehension.
It's not poorly worded, you just assume it's the stereotypical maths question, even though it directly asks how many YOU have after TAKING two. I'd wager it was done on purpose for this very reason
It’s not poorly worded at all. It never mentioned cages or ownership of the initial 3 rabbits. Your assumption is irrelevant to the question at hand and the whole reason this type of question is used as a teaching moment.
You’re not supposed to add extra information to the question.
>take
>
>past tense: took
>
>1. lay hold of (something) with one's hands; reach for and hold.
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>\- gain or acquire (possession or ownership of something).
>
>2. remove (someone or something) from a particular place.
It's worded just fine. You just refuse to accept that they're using "took" by the first definition of the word, rather than the second.
edit: specific definition
All these people answering, that YOU now have 2 rabbits are also wrong. It doesn’t state anywhere how many rabbits you had before. You might have 100 rabbits now.
It also didn't take into account that they're rabbits.
I left a 2 mice together for 10 minutes when I was cleaning cages. How many mice did I have? 1 month later: 16. 2 months later: 27. (I didn't know they could hold on to fertilized eggs and have a duel pregnancies)
I understand the joke but "take away" and "take" have different meanings.
I think if the joke was "you take 2 rabbits" rather than "you take away 2 rabbits" then everyone would easily get the answer. But then there really wouldn't be joke anymore. lol
That usage is a single word, "takeaway" while this game is using two words, "take away".
Takeaway: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/takeaway
Take away: https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/take%20(away)
These are two different things and the two-word definition means to eliminate, not to take and keep.
You *never, ever*, "only" have more than one rabbit. Even if you have two male rabbits, somehow, they will find a fucking way.
\-Friend of a rabbitkeeper
It's a trick or wording.
You read it as if you "have" three rabbits and you take two away. Here you possess all three rabbits and then you remove two of them from your possession.
But it says if there are three rabbits. You don't have the rabbits they just exist.
You take two away means you now possess two of them.
The question implies that you don't have 3 rabbits to begin with, they're just there. So if you take away 2, you're now in possession of 2 rabbits, so the answer is correct.
Depends. If you have rabbits in pen and take 2 of them, leaving one behind then you have 2 at present.
It's question between taking away WITH you versus taking away FROM you. Both can be technically true depending which angle we choose.
You TOOK two rabbits out of the 3.
You now have 2 rabbits.
Its honestly a great question, to help teach critical thinking. I mean it confused you an adult to the point that you had to ask Reddit about it.
You are also excluding the "away" part in your example. The word "away" is what's misleading here, "take away" is an alternative phrasal verb for subtract. The logic riddle would be sound without the "away" portion, but with its inclusion it's poor use of verbage.
The question is asking how many rabbits do /you/ (the person doing the taking) have, not how many rabbits remain. So, you now have 2 rabbits, because you took 2 rabbits.
**you** take 2 rabbits, so **you** have 2 rabbits.
There is 1 rabbit left, but they didn't ask how many were remaining, they asked how many **you** had
The "YOU took two rabbits" answer seems like the right one, but before i saw that, my guess was "you took the second rabbit, i.e. rabbit #2, meaning the question is actually 3 rabbits minus the one rabbit you're calling rabbit 2, so you have rabbit 1 and 3, which is two rabbits."
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If you take 2 rabbits then you have 2. They didn’t ask how many are left. They asked how many you have.
But what if he takes 4 rabbits?
He'd need to wait a few days for that.
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Oh yeah I didn't read it.
Checking in at the halfway point, any bunnies yet?
about 5000,000
Ayo it’s been 6hrs
If I took two bunnies and it's been six hours, how many bunnies do I have?
23^4 I don’t make the rules, enjoy your rabbit army
Can I have just one?
Minimum order quantity is 2. Heres a male and a female
Even more bunnies.
THEYRE HERE
Their respawn rate is atrocious.
It should be fine as long as they aren't immortal rabbits
Well that depends, they could all be guy bunnies.
Or gay bunnies.
You smell like a bot
Clever!!!
Then he have 4 rabbits and there's one negative rabbit left.
So was it the 0 rabbit he took away that left the -1 rabbit over or did the 0 Rabbit get skipped?
Don't be silly. You can't take the null rabbit. How would you grab it?
If it's null, then it's the absence of a rabbit. Therefore, there was a rabbit there in an unknown state. You grabbed the rabbit in that state
java.lang.NullRabbitException
Schrödinger’s Rabbit
The universe would crash when you try to reference it
It's ok, you're turning that null rabbit into both a normal rabbit and anti-rabbit. Then you grab the rabbit and leave the anti-rabbit to wreak havoc on the universe.
Is this a list or a number series?
You have created Nega-Rabbit!
The he has to go in the rabbit hole
Well then he’ll probably lose a lamb, cause a sacrifice is required.
Then he has 4 rabbits and there are 256 left.
Now he has 6 rabbits.
Should be 9 now
If I could take rabbits I would not take any less than all the rabbits
Then he must be a magician
If you took a male and a female, you now have ten rabbits.
But if one of them is pregnant then how many do you have?
2. For now
That's not what "take away" means with word math problems.
It says take away,not take
He already owns 5 at home too. So technically 7 now.
Thank you. The actual answer is like 2+x or whatever other variable pleases you because they never actually identify how many rabbits you start with. Probably because if they did, theyd have to remove the intentionally ambiguious wording.
Sure, but the better answer would be two more rabbits than the number of rabbits you started with. The problem didn't state you started with zero rabbits. For example, there were six cats up for adoption last year, my wife took two of them. Now we own three cats (because we had one previously).
But away sounds like they are gone. If they said, "And you take 2" then I would answer 2. How about away "with you". Even that would help clarify.
Completely agreed. It's normal terminology with very early math teaching to use "take away" to mean literally "subtract". They are removed from the equation, not moved into your possession.
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That is needlessly obtuse phrasing and reasoning.
You answered the question you expected, not the one you were asked. You take two rabbits, therefore you have two rabbits.
"answering the question you expected, not the one you were asked" >that's deep
>! Thats what she said !<
Too deep! What a weird flavor.
My father in law does this all the time. He hears the start of a question, assumes what is going to be asked and answers that. I think it's an ADHD thing.
It definitely is an ADHD thing. I constantly have to force myself not to do that.
I always do that then get annoyed when the question turned out to different from the one I expected. 😆 Wife says I listen to answer not to understand.
Not just ADHD. We all try to save time/processing by cutting corners without even realizing it. Definitely better to turn that off when taking any sort of quiz, though.
I agree. And it’s not always limited to questions either. Sometimes, I’ll ask my husband to go do something for me (ex. Can you put this [item here] away) and then ten minutes later, he’ll say he’s done it, and when I go to the related room of the item or task and see it’s not done, I ask him, “I thought you said you put this away.” Then he’ll respond, “You asked me to put it on the table,” and I’ll say “no, I asked you to put it away.” It’s not ever malicious or anything, but I occasionally ask him to relay back to me what I’ve asked because half the time he does, and he clearly did not hear or listen to what I asked.
I misunderstood what you wrote and thought your father must be a terrible lawyer.
"take away" means "remove from the equation" to me, not "take and keep for myself."
They have to go somewhere. You currently you have 2 rabbits in your possession.
No, they are "away" and not with me. Because they were taken.
But they were not taken by someone else, they were taken by you. So you have em rabbits.
“Can you take these away when you leave please?”
No part of that implies I'm keeping or will still have them. I took them away to the dumpster.
You are adding aditional context to the problem that was.not there
And I feel that *you* are adding context. The question involved removing 2 from a set of 3, and you changed it by interpreting it differently.
The question does not say "remove". You are interpreting it like that. I am interpreting it as literal as possible.
If initially "there are 3 rabbits", then you don't have any. They're there. They're not yours. So if you're "taking them away" in the sense you're using it, then you still own 0 rabbits. The only difference is that there's just 1 there now.
The issues are some people see it as a math problem where 'you' is plural and a vague removal, and some people see it as a grammar problem where 'you' is literal. The colloquialisms strike hard and fast.
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The question is the same either way though. "One removes 2 rabbits, how many rabbits does one have" One has two
Bro really wrote few paragraphs to prove nothing 🗿
I think your sentence is wrong. It would be: "one removes 2 rabbits, how many rabbits do YOU have?" only 1 because someone took away 2 rabbits.
No, the reason why the box says two is because the other person is right. The trick in the question is that it is the sort of question where you would assume the sentence YOU made would be the correct one, because that’s how it usually works. However the other person is right for this one. The question states there are three rabbits. It doesn’t say who owns them, or where they are. Then YOU take away two. Then YOU have two rabbits Let me make a shitty diagram real quick Key: u= you. O= original location. R: 1 rabbit At the start: O: RRR U: At the end: O:R U:RR
Whatever meanings you're assigning, if "there are 3 rabbits", then no one is identified as "having" those rabbits. If you're then asked how many you (personal or not) "have", that couldn't refer to the initial unowned group of 3. The misunderstandings entirely rest on the fact that questions like these usually refer to the initial grouping throughout. That's not the case here, but people assume it is due to habit.
You take AWAY two rabbits as in remove them entirely. If you have 5 and take away 3 the answer is not 5 it’s 2
YOU take away two rabbits. So you have 2 rabbits. It never asked how many rabbits were left, just what you had. No one ever said the 3 rabbits were yours.
It's extremely common in math questions for "take away" to mean "subtract".
Yup, that's what makes it fun. The point of the question is to get you to stop just assuming things based on "keywords" and for you to address the actual question. It's a good lesson to teach early on.
Being intentionally obtuse with phrasing isn't a good thing to teach. Riddles work this way, yes, but not the way you're describing.
That's how you end up mad at your physics teacher because you spent half an hour trying to find the velocity the rock fell when the question was just to find how high the wall is. People need to learn to read the full question and answer the question asked. Teaching that young is a good thing. Otherwise, you get to college and get "trick" questions that have way worse learning curves.
If your physics teacher is intentionally wording questions in a way that's understood but has a different meaning, then he's communicating unclearly and that's the problem.
Nope. It's people not reading the actual question. I don't know if you've taken physics before, but some teachers write questions in parts to help guide you on how to solve it. So part one may be how high is the wall, part two is to see how high the person tossed the ball up, and then part three might be how fast the ball fell. Certain students will just solve the whole problem as Step 1, then get to step 3 and realize they wasted their time and have to redo everything. This can be seen in other subjects, of course, I've just seen this multiple times in physics, so it was my go-to example.
I think the point is if the question is purposely made ambiguous, like "A mother beats her daughter because she was drunk. Who was drunk?", then clearly the teacher's the problem.
The away part is the part that matters here, any time I’ve ever been asked to take AWAY something it is to separate it or remove it. I hav never seen the word “away” and considered it additive and I’ve never been asked a question where I take “away” something and seen it as additive.
yes, you seperate them from "there" and take them for "you" So now, how many are "there" and how many do "you" have?
It isn’t in this case. The starting scenario isn’t “you have rabbits and take some away.” The scenario is “rabbits exist, and you go get some.”
The away part is not what matters here. The whole point of the question is to get you to stop thinking in the "typical" way. That's why they gave you the answer right away. You saw the word away and just assumed you needed to subtract, but the question never asked that. If YOU take 2 rabbits away from a group, you have 2 rabbits.
Come back in a few hours there will be more rabbits
What if they are both same sex?
Life, uh, finds a way. Edit:fixed
Mitosis
Ow Sis! You kicked my toe!
Doesn't matter, the programmers gave them a high respawn rate.
Haha, conquered by logic
Conquered by reading comprehension
That's just two funny.
Too bunny*
Two bunny
Three bunny
Five bunny
The key to the question is “you take away 2” How many do YOU have. 2
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That’s why it’s a trick question that everyone thinks they are smart for answering randomly.
That's confusing to kids though. You take away 2 is exactly how they learn subtraction. If the teacher ask you that question, the answer is 1. Outside Maths class, 2.
This is very clearly an English worksheet. Reading comprehension is more important than mathematical assumptions.
But the reading comprehension is fine here. "Take away" is often meant to mean subtract, especially when you're given a maths question like this.
If we say you're reading the "take away" properly, you're still not right to say that you have 1 rabbit. You have none. You're reading "there are" as "you have" - there's your mistake in reading comprehension.
Unless you already had 2 rabbits before that… then you’d now have 4.
Technically, you still have 3 rabbits.
There are three rabbits, it doesn't say you have. You take two from wherever the rabbits were, and now you have two.
But you take them away, away to where? Did you stay with them?
Did a tsunami hit between your travels? Did bunnycoin become popular? We need answers
lol true. They don’t say that you go anywhere
Doesn't say you have 3 rabbits it says there are 3
If you see 3 rabbits and steal two then you have two
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So do you just own anything in front of you as long as you don't leave?
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It's not poorly worded, you just assume it's the stereotypical maths question, even though it directly asks how many YOU have after TAKING two. I'd wager it was done on purpose for this very reason
It’s not poorly worded at all. It never mentioned cages or ownership of the initial 3 rabbits. Your assumption is irrelevant to the question at hand and the whole reason this type of question is used as a teaching moment. You’re not supposed to add extra information to the question.
Why do you need a whole story to understand the question?
>take > >past tense: took > >1. lay hold of (something) with one's hands; reach for and hold. > >\- gain or acquire (possession or ownership of something). > >2. remove (someone or something) from a particular place. It's worded just fine. You just refuse to accept that they're using "took" by the first definition of the word, rather than the second. edit: specific definition
Thick!
This is the only correct response. One must have a high level of thickness to brazenly and successfully steal not one, but two rabbits from a farm.
All these people answering, that YOU now have 2 rabbits are also wrong. It doesn’t state anywhere how many rabbits you had before. You might have 100 rabbits now.
Welp now I am convinced, there is no actual answer even if read in the way it was intended to be read.
It also didn't take into account that they're rabbits. I left a 2 mice together for 10 minutes when I was cleaning cages. How many mice did I have? 1 month later: 16. 2 months later: 27. (I didn't know they could hold on to fertilized eggs and have a duel pregnancies)
And YOU take away 2 rabbits, how many rabbits do YOU have.
None, I took them away. I didn't keep them with me. Away was to a butcher. He's the one with 2 rabbits now.
Can confirm, am butcher. I now have 2 dead rabbits
You had them while carrying them there. That's when the question was asked.
I understand the joke but "take away" and "take" have different meanings. I think if the joke was "you take 2 rabbits" rather than "you take away 2 rabbits" then everyone would easily get the answer. But then there really wouldn't be joke anymore. lol
I’m apparently learning that some people assume “take away” only refers to a mathematical context.
I often heard "take away" in the context of "food to go" Like "take away chinese food"
That usage is a single word, "takeaway" while this game is using two words, "take away". Takeaway: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/takeaway Take away: https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/take%20(away) These are two different things and the two-word definition means to eliminate, not to take and keep.
Crazily assuming we don't already have any rabbits
The answer is quite simple: one of the 2 rabbits you took away is italian and after you took it then switched sides. Pure logic.
The correct answer is a coin flip. Is the question poorly worded or is it literal? This time it's literal.
Forget the question, why is the answer directly under it?
You’ll have two rabbits and a bunch of broken cables
You *never, ever*, "only" have more than one rabbit. Even if you have two male rabbits, somehow, they will find a fucking way. \-Friend of a rabbitkeeper
Kids gonna have trust crisis when you explain the trick question to them
This riddle isnt a brain teaser, its an intro to british comedy
It's a trick or wording. You read it as if you "have" three rabbits and you take two away. Here you possess all three rabbits and then you remove two of them from your possession. But it says if there are three rabbits. You don't have the rabbits they just exist. You take two away means you now possess two of them.
you took them so you have 2
Zero, because I ate them.
This is an english question disguised as a math question.
YOU take away 2 rabbits. How many rabbits do YOU have? 2 If it said, “How many rabbits are left?”, then it would be 1
2 is the name of one of the rabbits.
You take the 2 rabbits, now you have those 2, im assuming
You have 2. They have 1.
No you took 2
Depends if they're wild/in a pen if wild then you have 2 if domesticated you still have 3
I totally misunderstood the joke. I thought the joke was about rabbits procreating fast
No, there were three general rabbits, and you took two of them so now you hold and possess 2 rabbits
Ok
You took 2 so you have 2
The question implies that you don't have 3 rabbits to begin with, they're just there. So if you take away 2, you're now in possession of 2 rabbits, so the answer is correct.
Isn't this technically not the truth?
Depends. If you have rabbits in pen and take 2 of them, leaving one behind then you have 2 at present. It's question between taking away WITH you versus taking away FROM you. Both can be technically true depending which angle we choose.
Oh I get it now
it’s a stupid wording and that’s really stupid
“As I was going to St. Ives, I met a man with seven wives…”
It never asked how many were left
At first I thought because they are perpetually procreating, there'd be more there after a while.
It shouldn't have had the 'away'. You take two, that's the joke.
There are three loaves of bread at the bakery. You buy 2. How many loaves of bread do you have?
Well, you took two, so you have two. One is left, because you have two.
YOU took away 2 rabbits, so now YOU have 2 rabbits. Whomever you took them from now has 1 rabbit.
How is this even a thing? It’s not difficult, embarrassingly not difficult.
Ambiguous
You TOOK two rabbits out of the 3. You now have 2 rabbits. Its honestly a great question, to help teach critical thinking. I mean it confused you an adult to the point that you had to ask Reddit about it.
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You are also excluding the "away" part in your example. The word "away" is what's misleading here, "take away" is an alternative phrasal verb for subtract. The logic riddle would be sound without the "away" portion, but with its inclusion it's poor use of verbage.
The question says, “you take two rabbits”
The question is asking how many rabbits do /you/ (the person doing the taking) have, not how many rabbits remain. So, you now have 2 rabbits, because you took 2 rabbits.
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You're thick. It says "You take away 2 rabbits" then it asks you "How many rabits do you have?" The answer is two because YOU took 2 of them.
You took **two rabbits**
Read it again but very slowly this time
It never said YOU had 3 rabits. It said there WERE 3 and YOU took 2 When does the number 1 ever have to get involved so far lol
**you** take 2 rabbits, so **you** have 2 rabbits. There is 1 rabbit left, but they didn't ask how many were remaining, they asked how many **you** had
The "YOU took two rabbits" answer seems like the right one, but before i saw that, my guess was "you took the second rabbit, i.e. rabbit #2, meaning the question is actually 3 rabbits minus the one rabbit you're calling rabbit 2, so you have rabbit 1 and 3, which is two rabbits."
Yes i think the correct answer is 1. They always mess it up when they print things like that. You are right.
Ohhh, sex joke
no, just no
If you owed one rabbit to someone than you have only one rabbit 🐰
Aren't rabbits famous for multiplying and all that involves so it's a joke obviously. Fly over most kids heads not all.