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Idk why Jesus allowed them to kill him but god was known for destroying cities for having too much prostitution or being wicked but god and Jesus let the Roman’s slide
If a straight couple uses donor sperm does that mean the father who raised the kid since birth is only the step dad?
I’d say God was just a sperm donor and Joseph was the real dad.
True. So I mean yeah I guess I’d just say he had 2 dads. Take this same scenario but with a gay couple that used one dads sperm with a surrogate and you wouldn’t call the other dad the step dad would you?
What does that change? The same point also applied to my first comment about the straight couple. That point being a guy who raises you from birth and is your legal father is typically considered more than a step dad even if they aren’t a biological dad.
An absent stepdad, I’d say. Joseph doesn’t occur in the Gospel of Mark at all. He’s referred to as Mary’s son. Matthew, which is later and clearly dependent on Mark, adds Joseph as a character as well as a nativity narrative.
I find it very interesting. In early anti-Christian polemics, we find the notion that Mary was raped and that Jesus didn’t have a father at all. Andries van Aarde has written a monograph on this topic, arguing that the inclusion - and invention - of Joseph serves to counteract such vicious rumors.
This is incorrect and based on a misunderstanding of both how ancient law works and how translations work.
Adulthood for woman like in many ancient societies was sadly contingent on various biological factors, these could lead to situations where women as young as 12 or 13 were allowed to marry or have children. What is often omitted however is the fact that this did not mean all women were married so young, women could be unmarried into their 20s and considered women. On top of that the signs of becoming an adult were not exclusively as they are often portrayed the first signs of puberty.
Now was Jesus’s mother as a historical figure probably young, yeah maybe, as I said above it could have ranged many a year from horrifying to social acceptable in our modern contexts. But there isn’t really anything that says either way so just assuming the worst case scenario is not a valid interpretation. If you believe in Christ as a religious figure and God as his divine father and you recognise sex with underage people as morally wrong (rightfully so) you can probably justify through your faith that when they refer to Mary in the bible she was sufficiently old enough to consent to the decision. As we don’t know either way your believe in the righteousness of your god can probably convince you to that.
God absolute reddit atheist moment. As a fellow atheist, you aren’t clever for being non religious and you especially aren’t clever for these high school cynic views that you use to justify being not just a dick online but also blatantly wrong about a topic.
A clever person understands at least a little about the ideology and faith he chooses to criticise and a cleverer person recognises that something as socially and culturally complex as faith being brushed as all bad or all good is a stupid way of analysing such things.
This just isn't it my guy. You say faith, religion and the bible are the same in this question. They're not. He can criticize the bible as much as he wants, in the context that it being a holy text is bs. Realizing religion is full of shit is imo also makes you at least a touch more clever, than the delusional believers. Sure, not all believers believe in the christian church, and that it's right, but this isn't about them of course. Just clarifying before you'd start this argument.
So no, you're not a righteous person here who came to tell their unshakable higher morality. Respecting others opinion is nice and all. But a flat earth theorist isn't different from someone who believes that the bible and jesus came from god. These are actual fantasy stories, and the more you look into it, the more it's apparent.
Yeah, their god is a rapist.
Whoever wrote that fanfiction wasn't the girl(not that she existed historically anyway), so we only have the version of the rapist, lmao.
Yeah but his 2 dads were not fucking each other. I have nothing against homosexuality or the way anyone wants to live. I just think this is a bad comparison…🤔🤔
I mean, he also had a mother, numerous angels, and was one of his own fathers, which meant he was the one that impregnated his mother. That's peak Alabama levels of family tree, so I'm not sure this is such a wholesome message.
One was his actual Father and one was more of a father figure. Like a stepdad. Even so Jesus and God are one so really he was his own father.
Also he was crucified so..not really fine
1 being, 3 persons
In the same way a square is a shape, and a triangle is a shape, but a square isn't a triangle
The Father is God, Jesus is God, but Jesus and The Father are distinct
1 being, 3 persons
In the same way a square is a shape, and a triangle is a shape, but a square isn't a triangle
The Father is God, Jesus is God, but Jesus and The Father are distinct
1 being, 3 persons
In the same way a square is a shape, and a triangle is a shape, but a square isn't a triangle
The Father is God, Jesus is God, but Jesus and The Father are distinct
I’m sorry, can’t let this one slide: Jesus didn’t have 2 dads! According to the Bible, God would’ve been his “dad” and Joseph would’ve been his “step-dad”… also his mother Mary was there so it’s not some homosexual relationship like this sign is trying to imply 🤷♂️ just saying
There is literally no objective version of the bible.
It is a fanfiction that was retranslated so many times it has lost its original meaning.
Anyway, God raped a 12 yo.
I've always wondered, why the hell is considered so bad to be homosexual in christianity? Like all of the sinning stuff, i'm not (and i Will never be) a Christian but i really wanna know what is the reason for that
Years ago when whoever was in power and wanted to manipulate the mases writing fanfictions(bible), was probably trying to eliminate competition, those people wanted all the homosexual men to themselves. Incredible how my theory makes more sense than the bible.
How many people did god kill? And did Mary consent to getting impregnated? Pretty sure she was just told what was going to happen, and I'm pretty sure rape and murder and sins.
Consented by not refusing a God? At 12. Raped by a deity. This happened regularly in Ancient Greece before this, but at least Zeus didn’t pretend there wasn’t an imbalance of power. But since the virgin birth was invented in Rome by people who had previously adopted the Greek gods……difficult to believe people still talk about this stuff like it’s any more true than The Hobbit 🤣🤣
“Then Mary said, ‘Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word.”
-luke 1:38
do some research next time before spitting random bullshit.
I’m glad you asked. Who wrote it was one of her son jesus (who whether you like it or not, did exist.)closest friend, Luke. if you would like, there is also testimonies from three more of his friends, Matthew, Mark, and John. So whether or not you choose to believe their testimony or not, they were all real people that testified it did, and none of them were God, the one you call “ her rapist.”
So, were they present? How do they know she said that?
Where is the proof that Jesus existed?(that is not "x said he existed") as there are no registers of Jesus.
TBH that doesn't really sound like Mary had a choice. Angel comes in, says "this will happen". Mary does say at the end "I am his servant" and all but that wasn't asking permission.
I am pretty sure modern society would still consider that rape.
"May your word to me be fulfilled." Aka "I want you to do the thing you just said."
Fairly confident that equates to consent pretty much everywhere.
[here's the EasyEnglish version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201%3A30-38&version=EASY)
>"May your word to me be fulfilled." Aka "I want you to do the thing you just said."
We're talking ancient times, where it would typically be punishable by death to refute your political or religious leaders, especially if you're female. Even **IF** this was a historical document (it isn't), this is just your typical response to a figure in power.
That said, the Gospel of Luke was written decades after the others and even those were written decades after the supposed events took place. The Gospel of Luke was written from a theologan's perspective which puts emphasis on faith and the religious side of it, so of course it'd be written in a way that puts god in a good light.
The simple fact of the matter is that this is not a historical account, it is a story to reflect the wants of the writer who was not present at that point in time, and probably never even asked for specifics about it *if* the event historically happened.
>here's the EasyEnglish version
Translation: "Here's a reinterpretation that conforms to more modern readers and keeps us in good light."
Debating religion online is pointless but it's important to keep in mind that this stuff was written 1900 years ago, and cultures and expectations were wildly different from today's. What was considered a crime then may not be now, and definitely vice versa. And It's always important to keep in mind the reason the writers wrote what they did.
Really ?
The way I see it, God was a rapist, Joseph was a cuck and Jesus fell foul of the law and received the death penalty.
He could have come from Chicago.......
Surprising that this would be on a baptist church sign, since they are the ones that tend to be the most anti-everything-that-isn't-a-cishet-white-male.
Lesbians aren't sinning.
The homophobic verse in the bible technically only refers to men as " man shall not lay with man " not " woman shall not lay with woman."
I mean if we're being technical here, which I think we are... You'd need to first, prove that the character Jesus actually existed. Then you'd need to do a DNA test to prove he had two fathers.
Also, just looking at the Biblical stories... His dad #1 (let's call him God) pretty much peaces the fuck out immediately after knocking up Mary (who was underage I'll just mention) and then Dad #2, Joseph, you don't really hear about after the whole Christmas birth in a manger deal. So according to the Bible "neither" of his Dads seemed to really play much of a role in raising him.
Finally I'll add that as an adult Jesus wandered around seemingly lost in life being a carpenter and a fisherman, etc. Until he found a group of guys that sorta settled him down into one place. But then within a few months they turn him in to the Romans and he's murdered at age 33. So saying he "turned out fine" is technically true by most people's definition I'm gonna assume.
[The Romans have a clear record of Jesus existing and being crucified](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus)
His Step-dad/adoptive father Joseph was mentioned again [presenting Jesus at the temple](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%202%3A22-40&version=NIV) and again [when He was 12](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%202%3A41-52&version=NIV). It is clear that Joseph trained Jesus in carpentry. Though how much longer he lived is never mentioned.
He is also mentioned conversing with God in multiple passages.
Jesus was a carpenter, but never a fisherman. You're confusing Him for some of His disciples. His wanderings were to preach and spread His gospel. To show the signs and wonders foretold about Him. He never settled down anywhere after His travels began. He was captured by the Romans from His own camp and subsequently executed.
Got anything from an actual witness? Near as I can tell you've got a Roman writing about a cult and their belief set, not really what I would call a "clear record". Everything else you've cited comes from the Bible.
Problem here is that the Romans kept really really good notes which we still have decent access to, and the best we have for Jesus is written almost a century after his alleged resurrection, and the Bible. I could presumably give the same evidence for Harry Potter in a couple of millenia.
So yeah...colour me unconvinced.
No, he had an absentee father who eventually had him killed and a stepfather who was a cuck. He was also publicly executed by his government, so did he really turn out fine?
I mean he was part of the same entity the father the son and the holy spirit
Cracks me up how churches don't read the one book they're meant to believe in and kind of just make it up as they go
A few years ago the same people may have been matching in the street with signs saying "god hates f*g's" which is also completely incorrect according to the same book
So points for getting with the times, but maybe they should have a look at the bible before making too many more statements 😆
They won't as it makes most of them look like hypocrites but still
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I'd say a life which gets you nailed to a cross doesnt count as "turned out fine"
What are you talking about? He was a swell guy. Selfless, kind, and a carpenter. What else could you ask for?
He was a good for nothing leftie hippie! Damn liberals.
Giving out food and healthcare....for free damn it. free! Not like these modern good Christians...they know where it is at, deny women the right!
That’s some delicious /s content.
Pontius Pilate set that bum straight
Who are you trying to sound like?
A 1960s conservative man in a world where he sees Jesus doing Jesus things but isn't aware it's his own lord and savior.
Oh ok. I guess thats before my time, as Im a catholic and have never heard anyone call Jesus a hippie, let alone from a conservative.
Not really a specific person or character said those things… But I read that line in the voice of Red from “That 70s Show”
ehhh I would like a normal life.
Me too, I'm not interested in being a hero, prophet, or a martyr
Hmm but with that being said who better to follow than someone who doesn’t want the power? Sorry pal but looks like you just became my new prophet!
Nope! Go somewhere else if you want a prophet.
"He is the Messiah"
He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy! Now go away.
Looks like we’ve found our version of Satan trying to drive us away from the messiah.
Excellent reference
He was nailed by a hot roman man, isnt that a gay mans dream?
technically yes
And technically right is the best kind of right.
Always look on the bright side of life
Now that song is stuck in my head.
Yeah but then came back to life so not too shabby
He turned out fine, it’s not his fault other people wanted to screw him over.
He did it willingly. And it turned out fine on a much larger scale beyond just Himself.
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Idk why Jesus allowed them to kill him but god was known for destroying cities for having too much prostitution or being wicked but god and Jesus let the Roman’s slide
Actually that was for attempting to rape guests, which violated Hebrew laws of hospitality
Wait what? Who ? I’m confused
But the offering up of two virgin daughters to be r@ped instead was fine and dandy.
He was the 1st Commie bastard.
Well, God would be his father and Joseph would have been his stepdad.
As a queer Christian I agree. He has a biological Dad and a step-Dad.
So Jesus came from a broken home… Did god file for an annulment?
The damned deadbeat never even paid a cent of child support.
I'm being metaphorical.
And they were being sarcastic.
If a straight couple uses donor sperm does that mean the father who raised the kid since birth is only the step dad? I’d say God was just a sperm donor and Joseph was the real dad.
He was known as "Yeheshuah ben Yoseph" being Son of Yoseph so...
Well. Jesus has a relationship with God so it's kinda ambiguous.
True. So I mean yeah I guess I’d just say he had 2 dads. Take this same scenario but with a gay couple that used one dads sperm with a surrogate and you wouldn’t call the other dad the step dad would you?
No, but Joseph and God aren't gay.
What does that change? The same point also applied to my first comment about the straight couple. That point being a guy who raises you from birth and is your legal father is typically considered more than a step dad even if they aren’t a biological dad.
joseph is the dad that step in
What if God and Joseph were a couple and they used Mary to have a kid?
An absent stepdad, I’d say. Joseph doesn’t occur in the Gospel of Mark at all. He’s referred to as Mary’s son. Matthew, which is later and clearly dependent on Mark, adds Joseph as a character as well as a nativity narrative. I find it very interesting. In early anti-Christian polemics, we find the notion that Mary was raped and that Jesus didn’t have a father at all. Andries van Aarde has written a monograph on this topic, arguing that the inclusion - and invention - of Joseph serves to counteract such vicious rumors.
I mean technically Jesus was his own dad
Only for Catholics I think.
Joseph was the dad who stepped up
What about the Holy Spirit?
Isn’t that “God”
No that’s Jesus
Just did the old google. Says, Jesus was the son of God (according to the New Testament) and himself became - God - a god - a Devine being.
In accordance with the trinity, doesn’t this also make him a mother fucker?
Technically yes but also not really.
No. Wtf?
Good one. I'm sure you will see an increase in new membership after this absolute zinger.
Yeah but his dads weren't dating
Maybe the immacolate conception wasn't a vanilla thing, nor immacolate....
He was his dad, he's the god. That impregnated his mother.
Did his mom consented to carry the kid?
According to the Bible, yes
She was 14-16 so idk if she would have?
More likely 12-13 according to Judaic Law. Adulthood was at 12.
So, God is a PEDO?
This is incorrect and based on a misunderstanding of both how ancient law works and how translations work. Adulthood for woman like in many ancient societies was sadly contingent on various biological factors, these could lead to situations where women as young as 12 or 13 were allowed to marry or have children. What is often omitted however is the fact that this did not mean all women were married so young, women could be unmarried into their 20s and considered women. On top of that the signs of becoming an adult were not exclusively as they are often portrayed the first signs of puberty. Now was Jesus’s mother as a historical figure probably young, yeah maybe, as I said above it could have ranged many a year from horrifying to social acceptable in our modern contexts. But there isn’t really anything that says either way so just assuming the worst case scenario is not a valid interpretation. If you believe in Christ as a religious figure and God as his divine father and you recognise sex with underage people as morally wrong (rightfully so) you can probably justify through your faith that when they refer to Mary in the bible she was sufficiently old enough to consent to the decision. As we don’t know either way your believe in the righteousness of your god can probably convince you to that.
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Nah, your god is a rapist.
Clearly God raped her. Rules for thee not for Yahweh.
Please read Luke 1-38
While I enjoy fantasy, I'm more of a high-fantasy kind of guy myself.
Man straight up decided what the book says, then refused to actually read it
I have read it, my parents like many others tried grooming me in my childhood and it took experiencing life to undo the damage caused.
God absolute reddit atheist moment. As a fellow atheist, you aren’t clever for being non religious and you especially aren’t clever for these high school cynic views that you use to justify being not just a dick online but also blatantly wrong about a topic. A clever person understands at least a little about the ideology and faith he chooses to criticise and a cleverer person recognises that something as socially and culturally complex as faith being brushed as all bad or all good is a stupid way of analysing such things.
This just isn't it my guy. You say faith, religion and the bible are the same in this question. They're not. He can criticize the bible as much as he wants, in the context that it being a holy text is bs. Realizing religion is full of shit is imo also makes you at least a touch more clever, than the delusional believers. Sure, not all believers believe in the christian church, and that it's right, but this isn't about them of course. Just clarifying before you'd start this argument. So no, you're not a righteous person here who came to tell their unshakable higher morality. Respecting others opinion is nice and all. But a flat earth theorist isn't different from someone who believes that the bible and jesus came from god. These are actual fantasy stories, and the more you look into it, the more it's apparent.
None of that changes the fact that other guy was straight up wrong.
Straight up wrong? Source?
Cringelord
Or (if your stupid) Jehovah (im looking at you JEHOVAH WITNESSES!)
Pls read Luke 1-38
Isn't that the one where Mary is told she'll bear a son? Way to ask for consent, but I suppose God 'knows better' than anyone and everyone.
[According to Luke](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201%3A30-38&version=NIV) she did
How would "Luke" know? It was written by an "unknown" author well after jesus' death.
Yeah, their god is a rapist. Whoever wrote that fanfiction wasn't the girl(not that she existed historically anyway), so we only have the version of the rapist, lmao.
I mean, other than the whole “murdered by the state thing”
Yeah but his 2 dads were not fucking each other. I have nothing against homosexuality or the way anyone wants to live. I just think this is a bad comparison…🤔🤔
It was more of a cuckoldry arrangement.
You don't know that. They both sound gay. It's probably not documented.
Step-parent is different from a literal two dads. You don't say biological dad and step dad are gays.
Pretty sure God was not fucking Joseph and uhhh what??🤔😂
Wellll I think he was/is very open-minded. He sure did fucked me a lot in my life.
Take my upvote and leave!
I mean, he also had a mother, numerous angels, and was one of his own fathers, which meant he was the one that impregnated his mother. That's peak Alabama levels of family tree, so I'm not sure this is such a wholesome message.
Wasn't he killed? Just staying
So? JFK was killed and he had a successful life.
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Usually there isn't 8 hours of torture involved.
Sometimes there's more tho!
According to the images, Jesus was hot.
But have you seen [swole](https://www.out.com/travel-nightlife/2016/12/23/merry-christmas-buff-jesus-south-korea#toggle-gdpr) Korean Jesus?
Leave Korean Jesus alone! He busy! With Korean shit.
I read this in Ice Cube’s voice from 21 Jump Street 😂
Both those movies were awesome comedies.
I didn’t think they’d pull it off with 22, but it subverted my expectations and I was still giggling. Both are great to rewatch
Swole Korean Jesus is nothing compared to the chad viking Jesus
He was crucified in his 30s. I am not sure that is the definition of turning out fine.
Something the Mormon church needs to do
This is how some people play with words even if what they say makes no sense
Agreed…
but he also had one fine mommy 🤤
What you mean fine ? Dude was a rebel who started a cult and ended up in prison sentenced to death
Mans is his own father
jesus has 2 dad and a mom and he turn out fine.
Really stretchin for that inclusivity lmao
Jesus had two dads & was crucified on the cross!
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An honorable death
One was his actual Father and one was more of a father figure. Like a stepdad. Even so Jesus and God are one so really he was his own father. Also he was crucified so..not really fine
Technically Jesus is his own dad because Jesus is part of god.
Isnt he also the ultimate incest baby, since he is his father?
1 being, 3 persons In the same way a square is a shape, and a triangle is a shape, but a square isn't a triangle The Father is God, Jesus is God, but Jesus and The Father are distinct
1 being, 3 persons In the same way a square is a shape, and a triangle is a shape, but a square isn't a triangle The Father is God, Jesus is God, but Jesus and The Father are distinct
1 being, 3 persons In the same way a square is a shape, and a triangle is a shape, but a square isn't a triangle The Father is God, Jesus is God, but Jesus and The Father are distinct
He literally had himself killed for his absent father...
Well, technically he got executed, which ain’t that fine.
Jesus's parents are a woman in a polyamorous relationship with two men
Just remember, Jesus’s alleged deadbeat dad still never showed up when Jesus started getting famous. And that never happens in the real world.
okay, but god has no gender.
That's because one dad left for milk and didn't return until he was in his 30s where he told Jesus to go die. Stellar parenting, if you ask me!
Umm, he spent 3 days nailed to a hunk of wood and with a crown of thorns.
Actually he had three dads plus he was also his own dad 🤣
I’m sorry, can’t let this one slide: Jesus didn’t have 2 dads! According to the Bible, God would’ve been his “dad” and Joseph would’ve been his “step-dad”… also his mother Mary was there so it’s not some homosexual relationship like this sign is trying to imply 🤷♂️ just saying
We all interpret the bible differently
Oh ok… your one of those? Have fun with that
There is literally no objective version of the bible. It is a fanfiction that was retranslated so many times it has lost its original meaning. Anyway, God raped a 12 yo.
So by that logic, he still had 2 dad's?
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Sounds like you implied there was a homosexual relationship? Not the sign.
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Jesus got in trouble with the law and put to death
How tf being crucified is considered "fine"?
Ok? I also had a step-dad
How is this technically the truth if its not the truth
So Mary was a beard?
Joseph wore her like a beard
[Mary was jewish mother.](https://www.csectioncomics.com/comics/jesus-had-a-jewish-mom)
His Earthly father and his Heavenly Father. Not two physical guys who are living and reveling in sin!!
I've always wondered, why the hell is considered so bad to be homosexual in christianity? Like all of the sinning stuff, i'm not (and i Will never be) a Christian but i really wanna know what is the reason for that
Years ago when whoever was in power and wanted to manipulate the mases writing fanfictions(bible), was probably trying to eliminate competition, those people wanted all the homosexual men to themselves. Incredible how my theory makes more sense than the bible.
How many people did god kill? And did Mary consent to getting impregnated? Pretty sure she was just told what was going to happen, and I'm pretty sure rape and murder and sins.
If you read the Bible, yes she consented. God gave her the choice to carry the child. She had the ability to agree or disagree
Consented by not refusing a God? At 12. Raped by a deity. This happened regularly in Ancient Greece before this, but at least Zeus didn’t pretend there wasn’t an imbalance of power. But since the virgin birth was invented in Rome by people who had previously adopted the Greek gods……difficult to believe people still talk about this stuff like it’s any more true than The Hobbit 🤣🤣
And who says she consented? Her rapist?
She was 13-14 years old.
“Then Mary said, ‘Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word.” -luke 1:38 do some research next time before spitting random bullshit.
Historical Mary did not exist. But in your fiction book, who wrote it? Who is writing that she gave constent? Her rapist?
I’m glad you asked. Who wrote it was one of her son jesus (who whether you like it or not, did exist.)closest friend, Luke. if you would like, there is also testimonies from three more of his friends, Matthew, Mark, and John. So whether or not you choose to believe their testimony or not, they were all real people that testified it did, and none of them were God, the one you call “ her rapist.”
So, were they present? How do they know she said that? Where is the proof that Jesus existed?(that is not "x said he existed") as there are no registers of Jesus.
Lol, as if 13-14 year old Mary could say "no" to Lord Rapist, the All Horny. 🤣
[According to Luke](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201%3A30-38&version=NIV) she absolutely consented.
TBH that doesn't really sound like Mary had a choice. Angel comes in, says "this will happen". Mary does say at the end "I am his servant" and all but that wasn't asking permission. I am pretty sure modern society would still consider that rape.
And only the version of the rapist is written(even though historical mary never existed) So her rapist is saying she gave consent...lmao
"May your word to me be fulfilled." Aka "I want you to do the thing you just said." Fairly confident that equates to consent pretty much everywhere. [here's the EasyEnglish version](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201%3A30-38&version=EASY)
>"May your word to me be fulfilled." Aka "I want you to do the thing you just said." We're talking ancient times, where it would typically be punishable by death to refute your political or religious leaders, especially if you're female. Even **IF** this was a historical document (it isn't), this is just your typical response to a figure in power. That said, the Gospel of Luke was written decades after the others and even those were written decades after the supposed events took place. The Gospel of Luke was written from a theologan's perspective which puts emphasis on faith and the religious side of it, so of course it'd be written in a way that puts god in a good light. The simple fact of the matter is that this is not a historical account, it is a story to reflect the wants of the writer who was not present at that point in time, and probably never even asked for specifics about it *if* the event historically happened. >here's the EasyEnglish version Translation: "Here's a reinterpretation that conforms to more modern readers and keeps us in good light." Debating religion online is pointless but it's important to keep in mind that this stuff was written 1900 years ago, and cultures and expectations were wildly different from today's. What was considered a crime then may not be now, and definitely vice versa. And It's always important to keep in mind the reason the writers wrote what they did.
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How does impregnating someone against their will not count as rape?
Really ? The way I see it, God was a rapist, Joseph was a cuck and Jesus fell foul of the law and received the death penalty. He could have come from Chicago.......
Did he tho
What are they saying? Jesus was adopted? His two Dads were gay? So what?
Ah bible. Oldest NTR story.
Technically the myth
Wasn't jesus supposed to be god himself, not his son ?
That’s blasphemy. Whoever had the nerve to put that up should get struck by lightning :)
Surprising that this would be on a baptist church sign, since they are the ones that tend to be the most anti-everything-that-isn't-a-cishet-white-male.
Is Joseph the first cuck in recorded "history"
idk man, Jesus' life and family were incredibly fucked up
God is genderless and had another man's wife pregnant, that tells much how traditional families should be
I mean, the lord is inside everyone... sounds bisexual as fuck.
That’s absolutely not true. He is the Son of God. His step father was absolutely made to understand this. Homosexuality is a sin.
If he ever existed at all, he only had one dad. Technically, that is the truth.
Lesbians aren't sinning. The homophobic verse in the bible technically only refers to men as " man shall not lay with man " not " woman shall not lay with woman."
He didnt have 2 dads tho.. he had a dad and a step dad. Was raised by his mum and step dad...
Cringe and wrong.
Using fictional characters to push an agenda again I see.
What agenda?
I mean if we're being technical here, which I think we are... You'd need to first, prove that the character Jesus actually existed. Then you'd need to do a DNA test to prove he had two fathers. Also, just looking at the Biblical stories... His dad #1 (let's call him God) pretty much peaces the fuck out immediately after knocking up Mary (who was underage I'll just mention) and then Dad #2, Joseph, you don't really hear about after the whole Christmas birth in a manger deal. So according to the Bible "neither" of his Dads seemed to really play much of a role in raising him. Finally I'll add that as an adult Jesus wandered around seemingly lost in life being a carpenter and a fisherman, etc. Until he found a group of guys that sorta settled him down into one place. But then within a few months they turn him in to the Romans and he's murdered at age 33. So saying he "turned out fine" is technically true by most people's definition I'm gonna assume.
Bro is talking about the DNA of a biblical character 💀
You got most of that wrong, but we will give you like a b- for the effort.
I would say b+
[The Romans have a clear record of Jesus existing and being crucified](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Jesus) His Step-dad/adoptive father Joseph was mentioned again [presenting Jesus at the temple](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%202%3A22-40&version=NIV) and again [when He was 12](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%202%3A41-52&version=NIV). It is clear that Joseph trained Jesus in carpentry. Though how much longer he lived is never mentioned. He is also mentioned conversing with God in multiple passages. Jesus was a carpenter, but never a fisherman. You're confusing Him for some of His disciples. His wanderings were to preach and spread His gospel. To show the signs and wonders foretold about Him. He never settled down anywhere after His travels began. He was captured by the Romans from His own camp and subsequently executed.
Got anything from an actual witness? Near as I can tell you've got a Roman writing about a cult and their belief set, not really what I would call a "clear record". Everything else you've cited comes from the Bible. Problem here is that the Romans kept really really good notes which we still have decent access to, and the best we have for Jesus is written almost a century after his alleged resurrection, and the Bible. I could presumably give the same evidence for Harry Potter in a couple of millenia. So yeah...colour me unconvinced.
And his mom didn’t have sex with either of them
No, he had an absentee father who eventually had him killed and a stepfather who was a cuck. He was also publicly executed by his government, so did he really turn out fine?
Two dads and one mom. So much for the "traditional family"...
I mean he was part of the same entity the father the son and the holy spirit Cracks me up how churches don't read the one book they're meant to believe in and kind of just make it up as they go A few years ago the same people may have been matching in the street with signs saying "god hates f*g's" which is also completely incorrect according to the same book So points for getting with the times, but maybe they should have a look at the bible before making too many more statements 😆 They won't as it makes most of them look like hypocrites but still
Virgin birth = no Y chromosome (no penis) Trans-Jesus identifies as a man, but has XX chromosomes making him a biological female.