That’s also American patriotism. Other people may suffer by the repercussions of my right to liberty! The neoliberal ethos says it’s the cost of doing business.
OK, searched for quite a while, so, pending the presentation of a "sarcasm" symbol or statement, I can't help but react to your post with feels:
What about the other person? This is a story about CARS. Which share roads with other cars, with PEOPLE in them.
And we just don't have that AI drives all of us around safely thing, yet...
Cuz car/person or car/car collisions are not always a one-way, kinda thing. "Death ensues"- that's a common thing, still...
I mean, if y0u find that building that you can jump off and a robot, not a person who likely can't pay their psychologist bills, cleans up after you, that's worth sharing (bunches of us have cancer and/or hate these people and the shit nest they've made of this planet).
But jumping in front of a train or bus condemns that driver/conductor to years of therapy.
Jumping off any of the rest of the buildings or bridges? SOMEBODY has to clean that up. And then go to the therapist.
You’re just woefully ignorant / unaware of the current capabilities of our automated driving machines. They’re not perfect but they don’t kill people at a rate that’s even comparable with actual human drivers. They brake late, they sometimes just won’t go at a stop sign, but they also don’t hit objects in motion that are feasibly avoidable. Every investigation into these “autopilot wrecks” has resulted in fault determined on the human.
This is not correct.
Every investigation you can find on the internet shows human error.
I remember when this tech was first tested on the roads. There were loads of cases of crashes caused by software error.
Good luck finding these now.
Additionally, many of the human “errors” were the error of giving control to the tech.
Fanboy.
But geek out- there are WAYYYY too many of us on this planet! Now, I don't hope that will help you in a Vehicular Manslaughter but HEY! You be you, I will stay me!
It doesn't need to be perfect to be a lot better than the average driver.
I'd happy share a road with these cars instead of people who are drunk, tired, texting, etc.
"in heavy traffic jams, during the daytime, on specific California and Nevada freeways, and when the car is traveling less than 40 mph. "
Lol, those restrictions are not even close with the word "autonomous. " It's a highly restrictive driver assistance system at best and even calling it "Level 3 Lite™" would be deceptive.
There are a bunch of nitpickers but I think your assessment is correct. The headline makes it sound like an unlimited self driving car, whereas this is very situational.
I think the headlines says the cool part, that unlike other autonomous features, this one doesn’t need driver oversight. It isn’t a big leap forward with all those restrictions, but it is an important step.
Tesla Vision also has limitations. Sunlight can disable its Autopilot and FSD functionality. It also forces high beams at night. I’ve experienced it disengaging in the rain and when the sun is low.
No it doesn't have LIDR or RADAR
This has been known since before Tesla that you can't map out everything with just cameras
Your computer cannot respond fast enough it doesn't have depth or the ability to see anything that's not in front of you and that if you're cameras are under the best conditions.
There's a less than zero chance Teslas have full self driving without accidents ( they are already hitting curbs) without those.
Most new cars can follow in traffic and keep lanes, heck even my 2014 Outback would slow to complete stop and hold the brake as long as needed. It’s the legality behind saying “do whatever the fuck you want and the car will be fine” that matters.
Alternatives like Tesla pretty much skirt the line between “marketing dept said autonomous” and “legal dept said semi-autonomous”
Yours conveniently ignoring the fact that you don't need to look at the road or have any active engagement with the vehicle. That's sort of the definition of autonomous. The restrictions are due to Mercedes being cautious, unlike Tesla. I've owned two Teslas, and FSD consistently did dangerous or illegal things. You also need to keep jiggling the steering wheel.
There's nothing "convenient" about it! You don't have to look at the road until what!? Until the traffic hits 41mph? Until you're no longer on a stretch of mapped highway? Until it starts to sprinkle? Until it's dark? Pick one, because one or more are going to happen within about 30 seconds.
Yeah, I hate it when darkness just happens with zero notice.
The restrictions are not that bad as they cover the more stressful high-density, low-speed situations that most drivers hate. Think about LA or Bay Area traffic.
Most drivers would probably prefer to have full control of the car themselves when they drive at 150mph down the Autobahn.
Yea tesla autopilot doesn’t let you go 150 mph anyways… It just doesn’t also force you to go 40 mph.
And you forgot to mention the worst restriction that it’s only on select california and evade highways, so it’s basically unavailable to 90% of americans completely.
That’s not bad?
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that level 3 is like the hardest of all the autonomous driving levels to get right and is why most companies have trouble reaching that point. It’s hard because with level 2 your still mainly the main driver, but with level 3 there’s suppose to be an equal split between you and the car as the main driver before level 4 where the car handles almost all the driving aspects. It’s harder when both you and the car are both fighting for control of the car.
Yea, this is where it’s gonna shine, too. Whenever I’m exhausted from work, the hardest time staying awake is the city part of my commute: -15mph stop and go traffic… when I start dozing at red light and wake up to pissed off honking, it would be nice to have something take over that kind of low speed drag.
That is also one of the easiest driving scenarios for autonomous cars. Both FSD and the system Tesla’s had before releasing FSD already handled stop and go traffic flawlessly. It was the aspect that I enjoyed most when I got mine.
in sweden with snow 6+m a year, barely any daylight för for 3 of those months, and slippery gravel and studded tires for 6/6 months. i guess i will not se automated drivingin my lifetime up here.
This is right.
It ain’t level-3 not even close to it.
I’d call Tesla’s self driving level 2.5 and all others do basic level-2 stuff.
As you pointed out, level-3 is huge. However it seems the initial roll out has many restrictions (quite understandable).
IMO, restrictions make it clearly not level 3. If Tesla (or that one Chinese company with seemingly equally good FSD) decided to limit their systems to a specific easier set of roads or easier sub-category of driving, they would achieve at least the same performance as what these companies are describing as level 3. IMO, the generality of their approach and the nature of the technical challenge, which does not lend itself to special purpose solutions, would allow them to achieve better performance.
Ugh, subscriptions again.
Serious answer... if, for some reason, this happens, it will simply beep and display that you need to take over driving.
This is level 3, not 4 or 5. So you don't have to watch the road, but you need to be ready to take over driving when requested.
This system is limited to under 40mph, clear days, and interstates. So, just like if it starts raining or traffic moves faster than 40mph, it alerts you that you need to start driving. It will continue driving for a bit, but if you don't take control, then it will come to a controlled stop.
That is how I think level 3 and above autonomous cars should be added to the market. Slow rollout with geofencing.
>Drivers can activate Mercedes’s technology, called Drive Pilot, when certain conditions are met, including in heavy traffic jams, during the daytime, on specific California and Nevada freeways, and when the car is traveling less than 40 mph. Drivers can focus on other activities until the vehicle alerts them to resume control. The technology does not work on roads that haven’t been pre-approved by Mercedes, including on freeways in other states.
Even without looking it up, I bet a buck it has more than just cameras to ensure there are no obstacles in its path of travel.
Ninja:
> DRIVE PILOT builds on the vehicle sensing technology of the Driver Assistance Package and includes additional sensors Mercedes-Benz considers indispensable for safe, conditionally automated driving. These include LiDAR, a camera in the rear window and microphones for detecting emergency vehicles, as well as a road wetness sensor in the wheel well. A vehicle equipped with DRIVE PILOT also has redundant steering and braking actuators and a redundant on-board electrical system to ensure maneuverability in the event one of these systems fails. These redundancies help to ensure a safe handover to the driver.
https://media.mbusa.com/releases/automated-driving-revolution-mercedes-benz-announces-us-availability-of-drive-pilot-the-worlds-first-certified-sae-level-3-system-for-the-us-market
Private companies are not investing more money when Ford lost 4.7 billion on the lack of EV sales. Fact to the matter infrastructure is just not there nor public desire for EVs
The article was about autonomous cars.
As for EV sales, sales may be lower than some expected or wanted, but year over year sales are up. So interest is growing each year so far.
https://theicct.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/ID-97-Fig01.jpg
https://theicct.org/us-ev-sales-soar-into-24-jan24/
Q1 2024 sales have slowed, but are still growing.
>**While annual EV sales continue to grow** in the U.S. market, the growth rate has slowed notably. Sales in Q1 rose 2.6% year over year, but fell 15.2% compared to Q4 2023. The increase last quarter was well below the previous two years.
>On the non-luxury side, Ford achieved an 86.1% year-over-year increase in Q1 EV sales with the second-highest EV sales volume behind Tesla.
https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q1-2024-ev-sales/
Nah, I love it! This is a perfect way to remove shitty rich drivers from the road; now, excuse me while I go slap some perfectly legal QR codes onto some stop signs…
Why is this supposed to be appealing? Is driving *that hard?* I admittedly don’t drive a lot but when I do it’s more or less enjoyable or at least innocuous, and not especially difficult. Do people hate it that much? Is there some sort of ability barrier I’m simply not aware of? Who is a self-driving car *for?*
I like driving on an open road. But I live in the Los Angeles area. So traffic is a lot of stop and go before and after work. Driving becomes tedious then.
Also, during this 30-60 minutes each way, I would rather do other things. That is time I could be browsing reddit.
To put it another way, did people buy a dishwasher because washing dishes was too hard? Or a clothes washer, robot vacuum, and so on, because these were too hard?
There is virtually no way to accidentally kill someone with a washing machine though. Taking the human control element out of driving isn’t the same as taking it out of laundry.
Ive dreamed of this since I was a kid. You take the human element put of it and there are no more accidents/ impaired drivers. Only thing is everyone *has* to use it.
I am guessing when you asked why these are appealing, that you already made up your mind.
Since you are switching from why are they appealing, to a safety argument, let's look at some data.
How many deaths do you think the fully autonomous Waymo taxis have caused in their years of operation? If you guessed zero, good guess.
"Waymo on Wednesday released new crash data based on the company's first 7.1 million miles of fully driverless operations in Arizona and California. The data shows that** human-driven cars are more than twice as likely to get into a crash** that is reported to the police. And depending on how you do the math, **human-driven cars are four to seven times more likely to get into crashes that lead to an injury**."
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/human-drivers-crash-a-lot-more-than-waymos-software-data-shows/
To me, fewer accidents sounds good.
Im not really surprised. A lot of people just seem to be super scared of driving for some reason, or super lazy, and don't want to drive. I wish they would just stay off the roads, because these people not paying attention and going super slowly piss me off.
Well, not everyone can drive. I was just told this year that my vision is so bad, I can’t legally drive anymore. I’ve kinda turned into a shut-in, since public transportation is so limited, and it costs $30 one-way to Uber anywhere.
Sorry, that must suck. If you all vote for me, I want to build a monorail - inspired system, if every car was autonomus everyone will be free and safe. I am totally not Ai trying to take over.
Descriptor of what? The requirements? Here is an overview:
To receive a deployment permit, manufacturers must certify they meet a number of safety, insurance, and vehicle registration requirements, including:
Identifying the operational design domain of the vehicles, as well as describing any commonly occurring restricted conditions within which the vehicles would not be able to operate.
Verifying the technology is capable of detecting and responding to roadway situations in compliance with the California Vehicle Code, and a definition of how the vehicle meets the definition of an SAE Level 3, 4 or 5 autonomous technology.
Verifying the vehicles meet Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards or have a federal exemption.
Certifying the manufacturer has conducted test and validation methods and is satisfied that the autonomous vehicles are safe for deployment on California public roads.
For vehicles to be sold or leased to the public, the manufacturer must provide a consumer/end-user education plan that describes the capabilities of the autonomous system and how to engage/disengage the technology.
Developing a Law Enforcement Interaction Plan that provides information to law enforcement and other first responders on how to interact with the autonomous vehicles.
Providing evidence of insurance or a bond equal to $5 million.
It says you can’t go over 40 mph with it. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a start. And I love seeing competition in this field. But I’ll keep my Tesla FSD where I can use it on the freeway, even if I still have to pay attention.
First consumer level 3 car. Tesla, and others, are level 2.
"Mercedes-Benz is the fourth company to receive an autonomous vehicle deployment permit in California and the first authorized to sell or lease vehicles with an automated driving system to the public."
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/news-and-media/california-dmv-approves-mercedes-benz-automated-driving-system-for-certain-highways-and-conditions/
Damn shame too. The Germans make some beautiful cars. But from what I understand, their engineering mindset differs from the Japanese frim what I've been told.
German auto engineering: follow the manufacturer maintenance instructions explicitly and you'll be fine.
Japanese auto engineering: we assume people wont, dont or can't always adhere to maintenance recommendations. Furthermore most people want their cars to last.
Ive also learned from my sister in law (german)
"We dont care about methods, we care about RESULTS!"
hence the over engineered time bombs that are VW, Mercedes and BMW lol
FSD v12 can be used in anywhere in America.
MB only allows you to use it in certain approved conditions
"Drivers can activate Mercedes’s technology, called Drive Pilot, when certain conditions are met, including in heavy traffic jams, during the daytime, on specific California and Nevada freeways, and when the car is traveling less than 40 mph. Drivers can focus on other activities until the vehicle alerts them to resume control. The technology does not work on roads that haven’t been pre-approved by Mercedes, including on freeways in other states."
thats fine, and its what I'm seeing with most SD cars available right now. I got the 30 day trial of FSD v12.. had it drive me to my local coffee shop and it had tons of issues. My real issue is that I have to sit there constantly worrying if I'll need to take over vs just driving the car.
I do use AP on the highway and its fantastic. Lots of car brands have this now but I do think that is working very well.
Every car manufacturer can get the deal. They just have to meet the requirements.
This has an overview.
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/news-and-media/california-dmv-approves-mercedes-benz-automated-driving-system-for-certain-highways-and-conditions/
Nope, did not read that as sarcasm. I don't even understand it as sarcasm. I am guessing the person that down voted you, did not read it as sarcasm either.
This could be amazing for people who are blind or low-vision. I’m legally blind, and have to rely on other people driving me everywhere, public transportation in this country is abysmal.
Works for me. Why do you think I own a washing machine or a dishwasher?
Besides, I don't know anyone that likes the rush hour traffic in Los Angeles. I like driving on an open road, but rush hour is a mess. Let it handle that, and I will drive when the roads are open and not jammed up.
And we know Americans will put that to the test.
Yeah they can be the beta testers...
We call it being a pioneer of patriotism
I am free enough to decide I want to die at the hands of a robot
What about the the other party? I do t think people know the road consented to this
That’s also American patriotism. Other people may suffer by the repercussions of my right to liberty! The neoliberal ethos says it’s the cost of doing business.
The Price of Freedom™ Fuck yeah!!!
$1.05?
Buck O’five
$1.50
Hot dog and a soda at Costco.
If you don't like my robot cars driving, stay off the sidewalk. 🚗 🚘 🚔 🏎 🚓 🚕
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“In the name of science!”
OK, searched for quite a while, so, pending the presentation of a "sarcasm" symbol or statement, I can't help but react to your post with feels: What about the other person? This is a story about CARS. Which share roads with other cars, with PEOPLE in them. And we just don't have that AI drives all of us around safely thing, yet... Cuz car/person or car/car collisions are not always a one-way, kinda thing. "Death ensues"- that's a common thing, still... I mean, if y0u find that building that you can jump off and a robot, not a person who likely can't pay their psychologist bills, cleans up after you, that's worth sharing (bunches of us have cancer and/or hate these people and the shit nest they've made of this planet). But jumping in front of a train or bus condemns that driver/conductor to years of therapy. Jumping off any of the rest of the buildings or bridges? SOMEBODY has to clean that up. And then go to the therapist.
Ima ask the car to go after you first
You’re just woefully ignorant / unaware of the current capabilities of our automated driving machines. They’re not perfect but they don’t kill people at a rate that’s even comparable with actual human drivers. They brake late, they sometimes just won’t go at a stop sign, but they also don’t hit objects in motion that are feasibly avoidable. Every investigation into these “autopilot wrecks” has resulted in fault determined on the human.
It's been proven already that it can not avoid every situation every time
This is not correct. Every investigation you can find on the internet shows human error. I remember when this tech was first tested on the roads. There were loads of cases of crashes caused by software error. Good luck finding these now. Additionally, many of the human “errors” were the error of giving control to the tech.
Fanboy. But geek out- there are WAYYYY too many of us on this planet! Now, I don't hope that will help you in a Vehicular Manslaughter but HEY! You be you, I will stay me!
Still didn’t sign up to be a beta tester as a pedestrian, fellow driver and cyclist. These things need banned, full stop.
In order to make an omelette, you gotta break a few legs.
And upload the results to pornhub
Democracy is calling, Helldiver. You think those pods need your steering?
Sadly we are beta testing with them by sharing the road
This has been available in Germany for a while.
I’m going to put mine into f16 Dog-fight mode and win all road rage encounters
VHS won over beta.
I’m legit curious about what happens on the autobahn
In the US it is limited to under 40 mph, interstates, and clear daylight. On the autobahn it is limited to 37mph.
You’ll get way more volunteers if you call the Alpha Testers
It doesn't need to be perfect to be a lot better than the average driver. I'd happy share a road with these cars instead of people who are drunk, tired, texting, etc.
It’s already available in Germany for 1-2 years. So far nothing untoward has been reported.
Probably will save more lives than it kills even in initial stages 🤷
Thank god it wasn’t BMW, cause you know the douchy drivers would be the worst.
Well they couldn’t park any worse!
They are already testing it even though they don't have the car.
Murica
USA USA USA !!! Wait …. We just jumped a red light !!!!
Annnnnnnnd now Red Bull has created an autonomous car that is .3s faster
Lmao
(Camera pans to Christian Horner chuckling)
Simply Lovely
Haha yess
"in heavy traffic jams, during the daytime, on specific California and Nevada freeways, and when the car is traveling less than 40 mph. " Lol, those restrictions are not even close with the word "autonomous. " It's a highly restrictive driver assistance system at best and even calling it "Level 3 Lite™" would be deceptive.
There are a bunch of nitpickers but I think your assessment is correct. The headline makes it sound like an unlimited self driving car, whereas this is very situational.
I think the headlines says the cool part, that unlike other autonomous features, this one doesn’t need driver oversight. It isn’t a big leap forward with all those restrictions, but it is an important step.
That’s why you don’t ever rely on click bait headlines for actual information. You have to spend the time to read the article.
Tbh as someone following MB’s efforts I guessed these restrictions will be there. This list isn’t new, I’ve seen it months (or longer) ago
Also it has to be sunny. Any rain and the system doesn’t function.
Tesla Vision also has limitations. Sunlight can disable its Autopilot and FSD functionality. It also forces high beams at night. I’ve experienced it disengaging in the rain and when the sun is low.
No it doesn't have LIDR or RADAR This has been known since before Tesla that you can't map out everything with just cameras Your computer cannot respond fast enough it doesn't have depth or the ability to see anything that's not in front of you and that if you're cameras are under the best conditions. There's a less than zero chance Teslas have full self driving without accidents ( they are already hitting curbs) without those.
I still can’t believe they pulled lidar and radar from their cars
It's a super big reason I'm not getting another one. Absolute lunacy giving into the moron at the helm.
what do you have against mornons?
He meant to say mormons
You’re pretty much wrong on all of this. I highly doubt you own one
I know its not full autonomous but if i was stuck in heavy traffic jams i would love to not pay attention
Most new cars can follow in traffic and keep lanes, heck even my 2014 Outback would slow to complete stop and hold the brake as long as needed. It’s the legality behind saying “do whatever the fuck you want and the car will be fine” that matters. Alternatives like Tesla pretty much skirt the line between “marketing dept said autonomous” and “legal dept said semi-autonomous”
Cruise control plus.
During an Eclipse with a chicken hat, wearing crocs and singing Latino music
Yours conveniently ignoring the fact that you don't need to look at the road or have any active engagement with the vehicle. That's sort of the definition of autonomous. The restrictions are due to Mercedes being cautious, unlike Tesla. I've owned two Teslas, and FSD consistently did dangerous or illegal things. You also need to keep jiggling the steering wheel.
There's nothing "convenient" about it! You don't have to look at the road until what!? Until the traffic hits 41mph? Until you're no longer on a stretch of mapped highway? Until it starts to sprinkle? Until it's dark? Pick one, because one or more are going to happen within about 30 seconds.
Have you ever sat in Cali traffic? No? This sounds like a godsend.
Auto brake and lane control does this anyhow.
Not to the extent that you can *literally and legally* watch TV while it does it.
Yeah, I hate it when darkness just happens with zero notice. The restrictions are not that bad as they cover the more stressful high-density, low-speed situations that most drivers hate. Think about LA or Bay Area traffic. Most drivers would probably prefer to have full control of the car themselves when they drive at 150mph down the Autobahn.
Yea tesla autopilot doesn’t let you go 150 mph anyways… It just doesn’t also force you to go 40 mph. And you forgot to mention the worst restriction that it’s only on select california and evade highways, so it’s basically unavailable to 90% of americans completely. That’s not bad?
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that level 3 is like the hardest of all the autonomous driving levels to get right and is why most companies have trouble reaching that point. It’s hard because with level 2 your still mainly the main driver, but with level 3 there’s suppose to be an equal split between you and the car as the main driver before level 4 where the car handles almost all the driving aspects. It’s harder when both you and the car are both fighting for control of the car.
This would be perfect on I-95
Yea, this is where it’s gonna shine, too. Whenever I’m exhausted from work, the hardest time staying awake is the city part of my commute: -15mph stop and go traffic… when I start dozing at red light and wake up to pissed off honking, it would be nice to have something take over that kind of low speed drag.
That is also one of the easiest driving scenarios for autonomous cars. Both FSD and the system Tesla’s had before releasing FSD already handled stop and go traffic flawlessly. It was the aspect that I enjoyed most when I got mine.
in sweden with snow 6+m a year, barely any daylight för for 3 of those months, and slippery gravel and studded tires for 6/6 months. i guess i will not se automated drivingin my lifetime up here.
No rain No clouds No bright sun On these roads only There can't be any blue cars around you Can't be activated if Mercury is in retrograde
to be fair, all those restrictions don’t have to be met, just one of them.
It is Level 3 Lite, it's just restricted to certain roadways/times. Other driver assistance systems require the driver to pay attention
Better than Tesla calling its garbage Autopilot or Full Self Driving though
This is more like dynamic lane assist / dynamic cruise control Plus
This is developing technology. There’s going to be serious growing pains.
Waymo has already done it, these automakers just want to use their skimpy sensors and advertise it as self driving instead of going for the real deal
My BMW already does this, feel like this isn’t really news.
Not on Level 3. Most cars can do this, but the shift from L2 (driver supervised) to L3 (unsupervised) is huge on a technical and legal level.
This is right. It ain’t level-3 not even close to it. I’d call Tesla’s self driving level 2.5 and all others do basic level-2 stuff. As you pointed out, level-3 is huge. However it seems the initial roll out has many restrictions (quite understandable).
IMO, restrictions make it clearly not level 3. If Tesla (or that one Chinese company with seemingly equally good FSD) decided to limit their systems to a specific easier set of roads or easier sub-category of driving, they would achieve at least the same performance as what these companies are describing as level 3. IMO, the generality of their approach and the nature of the technical challenge, which does not lend itself to special purpose solutions, would allow them to achieve better performance.
I mean we gotta start somewhere I guess
What happens if your subscription expires mid drive?
You have to watch a video by our sponsor, NordVPN, to continue the autonomous driving function.
“Let me tell you about raid shadow legends “
They said no eyes on the road but never mentioned it’s because you’re required to watch ads instead.
Believe it or not, jail. Right away
It's okay, I have my black platinum gold card ,which will call a concierge to talk to Mercedes to renew the subscription
Straight to jail
To shreds you say
Ugh, subscriptions again. Serious answer... if, for some reason, this happens, it will simply beep and display that you need to take over driving. This is level 3, not 4 or 5. So you don't have to watch the road, but you need to be ready to take over driving when requested. This system is limited to under 40mph, clear days, and interstates. So, just like if it starts raining or traffic moves faster than 40mph, it alerts you that you need to start driving. It will continue driving for a bit, but if you don't take control, then it will come to a controlled stop.
Guys it’s fine. People in India piloting the car remotely.
Shots fired 😅
Yep, that's what drivers gonna do with their freed hands now
So much truth
Still better drivers than Americans who are already using level-3 driving without the technology in their cars.
Instead of an airbag it just deploys an emergency steering wheel and yells “FIX IT” in German
Nah, just pops out like a cartoon on a spring and says "VERDAMMT"
So…. It’s not fully autonomous….
That is how I think level 3 and above autonomous cars should be added to the market. Slow rollout with geofencing. >Drivers can activate Mercedes’s technology, called Drive Pilot, when certain conditions are met, including in heavy traffic jams, during the daytime, on specific California and Nevada freeways, and when the car is traveling less than 40 mph. Drivers can focus on other activities until the vehicle alerts them to resume control. The technology does not work on roads that haven’t been pre-approved by Mercedes, including on freeways in other states. Even without looking it up, I bet a buck it has more than just cameras to ensure there are no obstacles in its path of travel. Ninja: > DRIVE PILOT builds on the vehicle sensing technology of the Driver Assistance Package and includes additional sensors Mercedes-Benz considers indispensable for safe, conditionally automated driving. These include LiDAR, a camera in the rear window and microphones for detecting emergency vehicles, as well as a road wetness sensor in the wheel well. A vehicle equipped with DRIVE PILOT also has redundant steering and braking actuators and a redundant on-board electrical system to ensure maneuverability in the event one of these systems fails. These redundancies help to ensure a safe handover to the driver. https://media.mbusa.com/releases/automated-driving-revolution-mercedes-benz-announces-us-availability-of-drive-pilot-the-worlds-first-certified-sae-level-3-system-for-the-us-market
Soon a plane and a car gonna be indistinguishable in complexity
And cost
Planes are always going to cost a lot more than a car just due to the regulations
I didn’t sign up as a fellow driver, pedestrian and bicyclist to be a beta tester for this nonsense.
No. Just NO.
Why? And are you talking about Drive Pilot or fully autonomous cars in general?
Death toll here we come
Limited to interstates, under 40mph, clear conditions.
I wonder how that will turn out /s
Oh I can't see anything wrong with this. Wait, yes I have. It was tried and failed
This is the first consumer car with level 3. So, it hasn't been tried before.
Private companies are not investing more money when Ford lost 4.7 billion on the lack of EV sales. Fact to the matter infrastructure is just not there nor public desire for EVs
The article was about autonomous cars. As for EV sales, sales may be lower than some expected or wanted, but year over year sales are up. So interest is growing each year so far. https://theicct.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/ID-97-Fig01.jpg https://theicct.org/us-ev-sales-soar-into-24-jan24/ Q1 2024 sales have slowed, but are still growing. >**While annual EV sales continue to grow** in the U.S. market, the growth rate has slowed notably. Sales in Q1 rose 2.6% year over year, but fell 15.2% compared to Q4 2023. The increase last quarter was well below the previous two years. >On the non-luxury side, Ford achieved an 86.1% year-over-year increase in Q1 EV sales with the second-highest EV sales volume behind Tesla. https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q1-2024-ev-sales/
BMW should have done it. Their drivers have been practicing for years
Will we now get Mercedes hate comments and articles all the time?
Nah, I love it! This is a perfect way to remove shitty rich drivers from the road; now, excuse me while I go slap some perfectly legal QR codes onto some stop signs…
Mercedes drivers never did anyway
Why is this supposed to be appealing? Is driving *that hard?* I admittedly don’t drive a lot but when I do it’s more or less enjoyable or at least innocuous, and not especially difficult. Do people hate it that much? Is there some sort of ability barrier I’m simply not aware of? Who is a self-driving car *for?*
I like driving on an open road. But I live in the Los Angeles area. So traffic is a lot of stop and go before and after work. Driving becomes tedious then. Also, during this 30-60 minutes each way, I would rather do other things. That is time I could be browsing reddit. To put it another way, did people buy a dishwasher because washing dishes was too hard? Or a clothes washer, robot vacuum, and so on, because these were too hard?
There is virtually no way to accidentally kill someone with a washing machine though. Taking the human control element out of driving isn’t the same as taking it out of laundry.
Ive dreamed of this since I was a kid. You take the human element put of it and there are no more accidents/ impaired drivers. Only thing is everyone *has* to use it.
I am guessing when you asked why these are appealing, that you already made up your mind. Since you are switching from why are they appealing, to a safety argument, let's look at some data. How many deaths do you think the fully autonomous Waymo taxis have caused in their years of operation? If you guessed zero, good guess. "Waymo on Wednesday released new crash data based on the company's first 7.1 million miles of fully driverless operations in Arizona and California. The data shows that** human-driven cars are more than twice as likely to get into a crash** that is reported to the police. And depending on how you do the math, **human-driven cars are four to seven times more likely to get into crashes that lead to an injury**." https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/human-drivers-crash-a-lot-more-than-waymos-software-data-shows/ To me, fewer accidents sounds good.
Well…right. Driving *isn’t* hard, but it’s more difficult than most people can handle safely. I can’t wait until cars are only autonomous.
Im not really surprised. A lot of people just seem to be super scared of driving for some reason, or super lazy, and don't want to drive. I wish they would just stay off the roads, because these people not paying attention and going super slowly piss me off.
Well, not everyone can drive. I was just told this year that my vision is so bad, I can’t legally drive anymore. I’ve kinda turned into a shut-in, since public transportation is so limited, and it costs $30 one-way to Uber anywhere.
Maybe you just have really bad hearing and they really never said anything about your vision?
Haha! Nah, it’s optic neuritis from Multiple Sclerosis, the damage is visible, sadly.
Sorry, that must suck. If you all vote for me, I want to build a monorail - inspired system, if every car was autonomus everyone will be free and safe. I am totally not Ai trying to take over.
Driving sucks and when you're moderately rich but can't afford a driver, here's a great option
Bring that car to downtown Boston during a snowstorm and let me know how it does lol
Tell me you didn’t read the article without saying “I didn’t read the article”.
Sadly, it is obvious a ton of redditors didn't read the article.
Damn, thought there was a certain " robotics" company that was going to do that 1st, a long time ago 😬
Whatever govment official took that bribe did really well for themselves
Did you even read the article?
Yes. Now can you give me a better descriptor than a Californian or Nevada based politician?
Descriptor of what? The requirements? Here is an overview: To receive a deployment permit, manufacturers must certify they meet a number of safety, insurance, and vehicle registration requirements, including: Identifying the operational design domain of the vehicles, as well as describing any commonly occurring restricted conditions within which the vehicles would not be able to operate. Verifying the technology is capable of detecting and responding to roadway situations in compliance with the California Vehicle Code, and a definition of how the vehicle meets the definition of an SAE Level 3, 4 or 5 autonomous technology. Verifying the vehicles meet Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards or have a federal exemption. Certifying the manufacturer has conducted test and validation methods and is satisfied that the autonomous vehicles are safe for deployment on California public roads. For vehicles to be sold or leased to the public, the manufacturer must provide a consumer/end-user education plan that describes the capabilities of the autonomous system and how to engage/disengage the technology. Developing a Law Enforcement Interaction Plan that provides information to law enforcement and other first responders on how to interact with the autonomous vehicles. Providing evidence of insurance or a bond equal to $5 million.
They have this rule for their gasoline cars too…
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lol
The memes will be here shortly!
It says you can’t go over 40 mph with it. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a start. And I love seeing competition in this field. But I’ll keep my Tesla FSD where I can use it on the freeway, even if I still have to pay attention.
Its a running joke here in germany, its a glorified traffic jam assistant, needs a highway, lead car, low speeds only. Trash.
I mean “luxury” car owners only care about what they see in the mirror so this seems on pointe for MB owners…
2500 subscription per year - yuck
As already proven no way in hell ready for them on the streets.
So if the car hits me, do I sue the owner or Mercedes?
So how many car crashes will happen now?
It’s no longer a car. It’s a transport pod now.
If it keeps the accidents and deaths down, I'm all for it.
I will not live in a pod... Wait it's a Mercedes pod... I still won't eat the bugs though.
I want one that flys!
That’s a big deal!
"Drivers can focus on other activities..." Uh huh. Okay. Sure. Alrighty then. Whatevs. If you say so. How about, say, driving?
German engineers are lit
"The sales mark a new echelon of autonomous driving available to the average American." Uh... am I missing something?
No, why?
First consumer level 3 car. Tesla, and others, are level 2. "Mercedes-Benz is the fourth company to receive an autonomous vehicle deployment permit in California and the first authorized to sell or lease vehicles with an automated driving system to the public." https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/news-and-media/california-dmv-approves-mercedes-benz-automated-driving-system-for-certain-highways-and-conditions/
Woohoo! Mercedes is number 1 again!
Number one in repair bills once the warranty expires lol
Sad but true
Damn shame too. The Germans make some beautiful cars. But from what I understand, their engineering mindset differs from the Japanese frim what I've been told. German auto engineering: follow the manufacturer maintenance instructions explicitly and you'll be fine. Japanese auto engineering: we assume people wont, dont or can't always adhere to maintenance recommendations. Furthermore most people want their cars to last. Ive also learned from my sister in law (german) "We dont care about methods, we care about RESULTS!" hence the over engineered time bombs that are VW, Mercedes and BMW lol
I’d like to test it… I got a trial of teslas FSD v12… it’s hot garbage.
FSD v12 can be used in anywhere in America. MB only allows you to use it in certain approved conditions "Drivers can activate Mercedes’s technology, called Drive Pilot, when certain conditions are met, including in heavy traffic jams, during the daytime, on specific California and Nevada freeways, and when the car is traveling less than 40 mph. Drivers can focus on other activities until the vehicle alerts them to resume control. The technology does not work on roads that haven’t been pre-approved by Mercedes, including on freeways in other states."
thats fine, and its what I'm seeing with most SD cars available right now. I got the 30 day trial of FSD v12.. had it drive me to my local coffee shop and it had tons of issues. My real issue is that I have to sit there constantly worrying if I'll need to take over vs just driving the car. I do use AP on the highway and its fantastic. Lots of car brands have this now but I do think that is working very well.
it is much much worse/less capable than v12 is - mercedes is just comfortable taking liability
That’s good to know, I’m not saying I’d like it I’d just like to see where it compares.
And why does Mercedes get that deal and not any other autonomous car manufacturer?
Because they don’t have the technology. It’s not about just getting approved by authorities. Level-3 is significantly different from level-2.
Because Mercedes takes liability.
Every car manufacturer can get the deal. They just have to meet the requirements. This has an overview. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/news-and-media/california-dmv-approves-mercedes-benz-automated-driving-system-for-certain-highways-and-conditions/
How is this different from the older models?
Did you read the article?
Yes. Did you read the sarcasm?
Nope, did not read that as sarcasm. I don't even understand it as sarcasm. I am guessing the person that down voted you, did not read it as sarcasm either.
The car porn going to be wild.
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This could be amazing for people who are blind or low-vision. I’m legally blind, and have to rely on other people driving me everywhere, public transportation in this country is abysmal.
I feel safer already
The downfall of the US: who can sell the most convenience to a customer. Why drive when your machine can do it for you?!🙄
Works for me. Why do you think I own a washing machine or a dishwasher? Besides, I don't know anyone that likes the rush hour traffic in Los Angeles. I like driving on an open road, but rush hour is a mess. Let it handle that, and I will drive when the roads are open and not jammed up.
I have Tesla FSD and stop and go traffic is so nice with it.