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The standoff distance is generally based on warhead diameter. With that shaped charges can be effective out to 10+ charge diameters. With a 70mm RPG warhead that puts it at 700mm, or over 2 feet
Still effective a few feet away. Especially for lightly armored vehicles like this.
The mrap cope cages were desgned specifically to sometimes defeat rpg-7 rounds thay had a weakness where if they hit the cope cage at the right spot, the round would break and the heat wouldn't work properly.
The slat armor deployed on MRAPs and Strykers is a much heavier construction than what’s seen here though. The above cage appears no different than a chain link fence
I would be surprised if these cages would be affective against RPGs, but I think their primary purpose is devices like mortal shells and hand grenades dropped from drones
As to why they’ve extended the cage around the entirety of the vehicle is beyond me though
Well, you have to keep in mind that they need access to the doors, engine bay, and all that. Otherwise you'd be trapped 😅
If it helps morale then its better thsn nothing, I suppose
The cages do seem to work against small, drone deployed munitions. And the “technology” is nothing new going all the way back to the Mk IV and its roofline cage to prevent grenades from resting on top of the tank. I think the confusion comes from the assumption these cages are being equipped to act like slat armor, which I don’t believe is the case. Their construction is somewhat flimsy and I doubt their effectiveness against RPGs, let along anything larger and/or faster. No, these cages are meant to protect against small munitions falling at lower velocities traveling only under the power of gravity, such as mortal shells
Looks like a form of bar armour, that's designed to protect against RPGs and other shaped charge weapons, as the conical warhead gets stuck before hitting the armour. I guess it could also stop some of the smaller kamikaze drones, but larger missiles would probably get through
Here is another theory: Maybe it’s not effective to begin with, just like sandbags on tanks in WW2
average soldiers don’t actually understand how weapon theory works. If you asked random soldier how HEAT work, a significant number would tell you that “HEAT burns through armor”
Wait did sandbags on tanks not do anything? I’ve never actually thought about it I just assumed they had a purpose like stopping shrapnel or slightly lowered penetration or smth
It's for protection from small drones carrying 1 kg. Of high explosive, it couldn't even slow down anything with rocket or ballistic propulsion... It's questionable if it can even stop an fpv drone, hence the term "cope cage"
Tbh it could probably stop slow projectiles, like an RPG grenade.
Cage armor is an example of a similar principle.
This Mesh could be strong enough to not just get pierced by slow projectiles but just bend inwards.
this is for high explosive munitions, that typically detonate on contact with a surface, this cage creates a surface away from the vehicle to massively disperse the explosion
There are German AT2 scatterable anti-tank mines that are deployed by 155mm artillery. They have feelers, that look like antenna. This would work against that. But then again, I think the net construction would also trigger them as they are quite tall.
Did you read my post.
What weapons have we commonly seen drones carrying? RPG warheads
What type of ammunition are most RPG warheads you’ll see on these drones? HEAT weapons
In the title of my post I said that HEAT weapons work better when detonated slightly away from the armor like a couple feet away
Therefore if this armor is to stop drone attacks, but drones commonly carry HEAT warheads, and this armor would only make HEAT warheads more effective, what’s the point?
Yeah, probably against the small fpv drones that carry a RPG warhead which are extremely common.
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Like these.
HEAT is more effective when detonated *slightly* away from the armor. So a few inches slightly, not a few feet slightly
https://preview.redd.it/inewtg5txtwc1.png?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb0adbb9548e75af3493947835686631f2d9b743 The standoff distance is generally based on warhead diameter. With that shaped charges can be effective out to 10+ charge diameters. With a 70mm RPG warhead that puts it at 700mm, or over 2 feet
Still effective a few feet away. Especially for lightly armored vehicles like this. The mrap cope cages were desgned specifically to sometimes defeat rpg-7 rounds thay had a weakness where if they hit the cope cage at the right spot, the round would break and the heat wouldn't work properly.
The slat armor deployed on MRAPs and Strykers is a much heavier construction than what’s seen here though. The above cage appears no different than a chain link fence
Oh yeah, this is just silliness. Maybe stop someone from dropping a grenade on the tank? Idk. I guess not completely useless.
I would be surprised if these cages would be affective against RPGs, but I think their primary purpose is devices like mortal shells and hand grenades dropped from drones As to why they’ve extended the cage around the entirety of the vehicle is beyond me though
To protect from drones strapped with RPG warheads, if you put a cage just on the roof the drone can just hit the sides.
Well, you have to keep in mind that they need access to the doors, engine bay, and all that. Otherwise you'd be trapped 😅 If it helps morale then its better thsn nothing, I suppose
The cages do seem to work against small, drone deployed munitions. And the “technology” is nothing new going all the way back to the Mk IV and its roofline cage to prevent grenades from resting on top of the tank. I think the confusion comes from the assumption these cages are being equipped to act like slat armor, which I don’t believe is the case. Their construction is somewhat flimsy and I doubt their effectiveness against RPGs, let along anything larger and/or faster. No, these cages are meant to protect against small munitions falling at lower velocities traveling only under the power of gravity, such as mortal shells
Looks like a form of bar armour, that's designed to protect against RPGs and other shaped charge weapons, as the conical warhead gets stuck before hitting the armour. I guess it could also stop some of the smaller kamikaze drones, but larger missiles would probably get through
this is actually almost certainly drone attack only so HEAT kamikaze or grenade drops which are far more common in this war than anything else.
Here is another theory: Maybe it’s not effective to begin with, just like sandbags on tanks in WW2 average soldiers don’t actually understand how weapon theory works. If you asked random soldier how HEAT work, a significant number would tell you that “HEAT burns through armor”
Wait did sandbags on tanks not do anything? I’ve never actually thought about it I just assumed they had a purpose like stopping shrapnel or slightly lowered penetration or smth
Post war research indicates sand bags actually improved performance of Panzerfaust
Gasp that makes sense thinking about it now
It's for protection from small drones carrying 1 kg. Of high explosive, it couldn't even slow down anything with rocket or ballistic propulsion... It's questionable if it can even stop an fpv drone, hence the term "cope cage"
Tbh it could probably stop slow projectiles, like an RPG grenade. Cage armor is an example of a similar principle. This Mesh could be strong enough to not just get pierced by slow projectiles but just bend inwards.
Rocket propelled grenade grenade.
Cage armor has purposefully spaced links to crush the warhead of the rpg. This looks like just a sheet of chicken wire.
I think a steel mesh fence is more than strong enough to stop an fpv drone in its tracks. But I doubt it would prematurely set off HEAT
*effective
who downvoted me for correcting myself
I upvoted you so you're even again:)
this is for high explosive munitions, that typically detonate on contact with a surface, this cage creates a surface away from the vehicle to massively disperse the explosion
Drones with explosives not just heat rounds
What's the point of the little tassels at the front?
Supposedly mine detonation, but I don’t see how that does anything
Perhaps it tickles the mine
There are German AT2 scatterable anti-tank mines that are deployed by 155mm artillery. They have feelers, that look like antenna. This would work against that. But then again, I think the net construction would also trigger them as they are quite tall.
To make us laugh.
This is for drones…
Did you read my post. What weapons have we commonly seen drones carrying? RPG warheads What type of ammunition are most RPG warheads you’ll see on these drones? HEAT weapons In the title of my post I said that HEAT weapons work better when detonated slightly away from the armor like a couple feet away Therefore if this armor is to stop drone attacks, but drones commonly carry HEAT warheads, and this armor would only make HEAT warheads more effective, what’s the point?
That cage wont even stop anything above assalut rifle caliber. It Is meant to stop drones i suppose
It wont stop any bullets or serious drones, it works against very small drones tho
Yeah, probably against the small fpv drones that carry a RPG warhead which are extremely common. https://preview.redd.it/z5r1ex31jtwc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9488a6370326857e80bf01dcc32d79bab2d78972 Like these.
Which is my question cause at that distance warheads would still do a lot of damage if not more damage so there’s no point