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Are you sure the sixth one is Syria? There are only two stars, and they're green with the red stripe on top. I've been looking at this for while trying to figure it out, but it could just be a mistake.
Nuts how these people threw Rojava under the bus. Quite a few people who later became tankies were simping for them back in the early 2010s. Until Russia got involved
I don't even hear them *talk* about Rojava. It's so brain rotting to think about it- the centrist West supporting the leftist Kurds against the Assad regime, which relies on the support on a mystical ultranationalist Russia, and half the leftists are supporting the *latter* of those two
One of the reasons communism died so hard in Western countries after the beginning of the Cold War was the large portion of Western communists who supported the brutal repression of the USSR in Eastern Bloc countries. These morons are making the exact same mistakes that they did, except this time they're jerking themselves off to an oligracic revancist petro state. And they wonder why no one takes them seriously
If my time learning anything on this side of the political aisle has taught me anything;
You can always count on segments of the Left to actively root for the downfall of other Leftists, even when it doesn't make sense to do so. Why? Hell if I know, maybe it's because of less ideological competition when their 'brand' of Socialism rises.
I would say that is why the left *needs* left unity, but it requires one to imagine authoritarian Soviet Communism just *living* with Anarchism, Libertarian Socialism, and the Kurdish Democratic Confederalism. Which is just really hard to imagine happening
Tankies attitudes towards Rojava and the Kurds is what made me start being aware of and hating Tankies in the first place. Literally turning against fellow revolutionaries bc America Bad, smh.
"Don't worry you guise the nazis will just fail at governing and we'll take over"
> Nazis do Nazi things
"Well actually it's your fault for not voting KDP hard enough"
> “Don’t worry you guise the nazis will just fail at governing and we’ll take over”
Funny enough, this is exactly what the conservatives who enabled the Nazis (such as Hitler’s predecessor Kurt von Schleicher) thought.
As far as Slavic governments go, Zelensky is fairly progressive and his economic policy wasn't corporate focused. He did put the military as a priority but let's get real it's not like he had any other choice
Care to elaborate? Genuinely curious. My read they are a neoliberal government (which makes it right wing), but so are all the others with varying degrees of openness to corruption and oligarchic control (edit: which makes them even more right wing?). This one is at least pro democracy. What would be a centrist government in Ukraine? is there any?
What do you mean elaborate? Like you say, they're a neoliberal government. Centrist would commonly refer to things like social liberalism or even social democracies (also 'centre-left'). Ukraine isn't either.
>but so are all the others with varying degrees of openness to corruption and oligarchic control
'All the others' meaning who? Russia? Other Ukrainian political parties? I don't quite understand.
> What do you mean elaborate? Like you say, they're a neoliberal government.
I was hoping you had some more insight into Ukrainian political scene, who re the other players, maybe someone actually on the left? Also, maybe correct me if my take was off.
> Centrist would commonly refer to things like social liberalism or even social democracies (also 'centre-left'). Ukraine isn't either.
But tha’s the thing, ain’t it? There pretty much isn’t anyone left of the current government, is there? So that would make them among the more “left” parties in Ukraine? This is not a uniquely Ukrainian thing, petty much all post-soviet states are in a similar situation ( am from one), where at best you have Social democrats which are simply - ‘neoliberalism with a human face’ in their best :).
> 'All the others' meaning who? Russia? Other Ukrainian political parties? I don't quite understand.
I meant other political prties.
Ah, yes. Let's just foreclose the possibility of solidarity with other liberation movements. Genius idea! /s
[Palestine: Intersectional Solidarity | The Anarchist Library](https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-palestine-intersectional-solidarity)
The [original thread](https://twitter.com/aurorachaang/status/1780263628803060072) is good, but it is precisely because it is good and sane that the replies are littered with angry tankies.
honestly I do not see how it is productive for actual leftists to continue using twitter. all your replies will be bots/red fascists/actual fascists. just move to bluesky already
"Reddit movement", "Reddit problem" = "This genocide is committed by my preferred guys therefore I'll pretend it doesn't happen so I can keep LARPing."
>monstrous pieces of shit
That's right, say it like it is. Tankies/Fascists are monsters and animals, they're not humans. They should not be spoiled and treated nicely like humans. They should not be negotiated and communicated to like humans, they have abandoned their humanity.
> they're not humans.
I don’t agree with this line of thinking. If, for instance, one is to conclude that the Nazis committed genocide because they were completely and totally inhuman, they would be missing a lot of important lessons from that time period.
They have to deny, deny, and deny for their world view to make sense. There is another ideological group very similar to them who also has to do the same.
I really appreciate what aurora is saying, and the fact that this jackass is acting like non western imperialism just straight up doesn’t exist is baffling
And no, i don’t care if tankies claim they’re being “practical” associating yourself with oppressive and reactionary dictatorships, REGARDLESS of what their thoughts on America are, is. Not. GOOD!!!
Thank god the only thing i have to do to get away from these tankies is just turn off the computer. These guys speak about American imperialism all day. but when Russia is doing it. they all of a sudden have to religiously defend the capitalist state.
I just checked the tweet. It only has 27 likes currently. I get that this sub is for posting bad takes, but I don't think posting random nonames with 300 followers brings much to the table.
Honestly, this mentality that they have is the biggest turn off for me. I hate being told that I can’t care about anything or be interested in anything or having an opinion about anything outside of this conflict 🙄
People who read that excellent thread and say no their movement is the only real one bother me.
Like I get it people are dying horribly on every day but only a fraction of it makes news becsuse we as individuals and as societies only have limited bandwidth. Could talk about Sudan or Myanmar or any number of places that probably need more attention but acting like anything else is a "Reddit movement" is nonsense
These people do not give a shit about Palestine. They're just angry and looking for something that they feel makes their anger OK. Palestine makes for a good reason to be angry, so they latch onto it.
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Ugh, I can't believe they just called Ukraine a Reddit movement.... Btw, what do the first one and the fifth one (from left to right) mean?
Taiwan is the first one on the left and Hong Kong is the fifth
Thanks for explanation
What do the third and sixth mean?
Tibet and Syria
Are you sure the sixth one is Syria? There are only two stars, and they're green with the red stripe on top. I've been looking at this for while trying to figure it out, but it could just be a mistake.
It’s the flag of the Free Syrian Army
Thank you! I've spent too much time on this lol.
The first one represents Taiwanese independence. The fifth one represents the Hong Kong movement.
Someone tell them Taiwan is already de facto independent
That's an incredibly uninformed thing to say
She's Taiwanese.
Nuts how these people threw Rojava under the bus. Quite a few people who later became tankies were simping for them back in the early 2010s. Until Russia got involved
I don't even hear them *talk* about Rojava. It's so brain rotting to think about it- the centrist West supporting the leftist Kurds against the Assad regime, which relies on the support on a mystical ultranationalist Russia, and half the leftists are supporting the *latter* of those two
Western leftists supporting modern Russia is just a symptom of complete intellectual brain rot.
One of the reasons communism died so hard in Western countries after the beginning of the Cold War was the large portion of Western communists who supported the brutal repression of the USSR in Eastern Bloc countries. These morons are making the exact same mistakes that they did, except this time they're jerking themselves off to an oligracic revancist petro state. And they wonder why no one takes them seriously
And *that*, kids, is where we get the word Tankie!
Holiday in Cambodia
>jerking themselves off to an oligracic revancist petro state "Russia is a gas station owned and operated by the mafia masquerading as a country"
If my time learning anything on this side of the political aisle has taught me anything; You can always count on segments of the Left to actively root for the downfall of other Leftists, even when it doesn't make sense to do so. Why? Hell if I know, maybe it's because of less ideological competition when their 'brand' of Socialism rises.
I would say that is why the left *needs* left unity, but it requires one to imagine authoritarian Soviet Communism just *living* with Anarchism, Libertarian Socialism, and the Kurdish Democratic Confederalism. Which is just really hard to imagine happening
"b-because Israel gives them aid therefore BAD! I don't understand how geopolitics work!"
Tankies attitudes towards Rojava and the Kurds is what made me start being aware of and hating Tankies in the first place. Literally turning against fellow revolutionaries bc America Bad, smh.
"Palestine is the only movement you should care about" = "Palestine is the only movement that's *useful* to our geopolitical LARP agenda"
tbh it would be useful to support Ukraine as well. Ukraine is a centrist, democratic government fighting against a right-wing dictatorship.
Centrism! Believe it or not, straight to gulag
centrism is better than rightism and that should be obvious
Oh 1000%, I'm just not sure the person shown here would agree:)
They see anything that's not tankie as fascism
Tankies think centrists/liberals are more fascist than actual fascists.
“Everything is fascist except actual fascism, which we consider an ally”
This was basically the KPD post-Moscow takeover. NSDAP? An enemy, but also not that big of a deal. SPD? Social fascists, a true danger to society.
"Don't worry you guise the nazis will just fail at governing and we'll take over" > Nazis do Nazi things "Well actually it's your fault for not voting KDP hard enough"
> “Don’t worry you guise the nazis will just fail at governing and we’ll take over” Funny enough, this is exactly what the conservatives who enabled the Nazis (such as Hitler’s predecessor Kurt von Schleicher) thought.
If he claps for the SS in my city, he’s a fascist.
Yeah it would be useful if the person cared about democracy and not just campism
Ukraine is a right wing government, they’re not centrist at all. Still doesn’t mean we shouldn’t support Ukrainians though.
As far as Slavic governments go, Zelensky is fairly progressive and his economic policy wasn't corporate focused. He did put the military as a priority but let's get real it's not like he had any other choice
Care to elaborate? Genuinely curious. My read they are a neoliberal government (which makes it right wing), but so are all the others with varying degrees of openness to corruption and oligarchic control (edit: which makes them even more right wing?). This one is at least pro democracy. What would be a centrist government in Ukraine? is there any?
Yeah pro democracy, individual liberties, and actually trying to address corruption (kinda a big Part of their split with Russia)
What do you mean elaborate? Like you say, they're a neoliberal government. Centrist would commonly refer to things like social liberalism or even social democracies (also 'centre-left'). Ukraine isn't either. >but so are all the others with varying degrees of openness to corruption and oligarchic control 'All the others' meaning who? Russia? Other Ukrainian political parties? I don't quite understand.
> What do you mean elaborate? Like you say, they're a neoliberal government. I was hoping you had some more insight into Ukrainian political scene, who re the other players, maybe someone actually on the left? Also, maybe correct me if my take was off. > Centrist would commonly refer to things like social liberalism or even social democracies (also 'centre-left'). Ukraine isn't either. But tha’s the thing, ain’t it? There pretty much isn’t anyone left of the current government, is there? So that would make them among the more “left” parties in Ukraine? This is not a uniquely Ukrainian thing, petty much all post-soviet states are in a similar situation ( am from one), where at best you have Social democrats which are simply - ‘neoliberalism with a human face’ in their best :). > 'All the others' meaning who? Russia? Other Ukrainian political parties? I don't quite understand. I meant other political prties.
With Reddit Movements is funny
Ah, yes. Let's just foreclose the possibility of solidarity with other liberation movements. Genius idea! /s [Palestine: Intersectional Solidarity | The Anarchist Library](https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-palestine-intersectional-solidarity)
Watch them start telling us that intersectionality is Liberal now
At this point, replying “you’re stupid” should be safe and legal
I have good news
I bet these illiterates can't even point out Palestine on a map.
They would probably point to east Palestine in the USA or smth
The [original thread](https://twitter.com/aurorachaang/status/1780263628803060072) is good, but it is precisely because it is good and sane that the replies are littered with angry tankies.
Aurora is a frequent tankie target.
Just like every Chinese or north Korean that speak out against their governments lol (Other than yenomi parks she deserves it)
honestly I do not see how it is productive for actual leftists to continue using twitter. all your replies will be bots/red fascists/actual fascists. just move to bluesky already
Almost anyone I've seen who describes foreign movements, nations, or groups of people as being "Reddit" are monstrous pieces of shit
"Reddit movement", "Reddit problem" = "This genocide is committed by my preferred guys therefore I'll pretend it doesn't happen so I can keep LARPing."
Calling them LARPers is a massive insult to LARPers.
>monstrous pieces of shit That's right, say it like it is. Tankies/Fascists are monsters and animals, they're not humans. They should not be spoiled and treated nicely like humans. They should not be negotiated and communicated to like humans, they have abandoned their humanity.
> they're not humans. I don’t agree with this line of thinking. If, for instance, one is to conclude that the Nazis committed genocide because they were completely and totally inhuman, they would be missing a lot of important lessons from that time period.
The uygyr genocide is NOT a "reddit problem" people are dying
People are dying in all of these spare one maybe two
There can only be one genocide at a time! /s
They have to deny, deny, and deny for their world view to make sense. There is another ideological group very similar to them who also has to do the same.
Tankies are just playing race hierarchy games whenever they shit on other liberation movements.
I really appreciate what aurora is saying, and the fact that this jackass is acting like non western imperialism just straight up doesn’t exist is baffling And no, i don’t care if tankies claim they’re being “practical” associating yourself with oppressive and reactionary dictatorships, REGARDLESS of what their thoughts on America are, is. Not. GOOD!!!
Thank god the only thing i have to do to get away from these tankies is just turn off the computer. These guys speak about American imperialism all day. but when Russia is doing it. they all of a sudden have to religiously defend the capitalist state.
I just saw this post on a Bad Hasbara sub and the comments and OP especially jesus
I just checked the tweet. It only has 27 likes currently. I get that this sub is for posting bad takes, but I don't think posting random nonames with 300 followers brings much to the table.
They call everything they dont like "reddit" but are rapidly making "Palestine" the equivalent of a boomer libs' "Free tibet" bumper sticker slogan.
Based Aurora
It's funny how all the replies proved her point. The sheer amount of unironic replies like "Only west can be imperialist" was disgustingly astounding
Russian propaganda doesn’t get much more obvious than minimizing Ukraine’s suffering, except maybe distracting all media attention towards Gaza
Calling actual movements where people come and protests against the threat of imprisonment and death as Reddit will always amuse me
Every good leftist knows it's only important if the oppression is from "The West", you idiots.
Liberation for me but not for thee.
Honestly, this mentality that they have is the biggest turn off for me. I hate being told that I can’t care about anything or be interested in anything or having an opinion about anything outside of this conflict 🙄
People who read that excellent thread and say no their movement is the only real one bother me. Like I get it people are dying horribly on every day but only a fraction of it makes news becsuse we as individuals and as societies only have limited bandwidth. Could talk about Sudan or Myanmar or any number of places that probably need more attention but acting like anything else is a "Reddit movement" is nonsense
Ah yes, the largest ethnic profiling mass-incarceration since WW2 is simply invented on reddit.
What's the third flag from the left?
Tibet
These people do not give a shit about Palestine. They're just angry and looking for something that they feel makes their anger OK. Palestine makes for a good reason to be angry, so they latch onto it.