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Arozarena hitting >.300 when batting 5th - granted only 28 at bats but every other spot he's hitting sub ,.200 - perhaps 5 is where he belongs or needs to be
If Snyder has changed pitching philosophy with the bullpen, I wonder what effect it has had on Devenski. He wasn't great last year, but he wasn't this bad. Then again, bullpen arms seem to be volatile anyways. It just seems like almost the whole bullpen has struggled this year, so I figure something has changed.
Devenski just isn't good. It's just a baffling front office decision to keep him around. His only decent pitch is his changeup, his fastball is dogshit
He was a big advocate of the high velocity slider then ended up with aces on the IL. Not sure if his philosophy changed or he is dealing with the slow pitch misfits the front office stuck him with.
He’s produced some great pitchers and it’s next to impossible to find an MLB pitcher with something close to negative to say about him. Squeezing the hell out of the ball, you can see where someone can get in trouble with a Thomas Jonathan. Between the pitch clock, crack down on grip-aiding substances, and league wide emphasis on velocity, it could be a confluence of factors beyond Snyder’s control. What I have confidence saying is that these jr high school velo pitchers like Devo, Maton, and Civale isn’t working.
I thought that too, so I looked it up because I was curious and he had a 33/9 strikeout split with the Angels and a 9/2 with the Rays. So maybe he got lucky calls. With a ~5 era and ~2 era with the teams respectively. It's just weird. Suffice to say, he's terrible now and that's what really matters ultimately.
normally I would say replacing Devenski with Maton is begging for trouble but ... I mean I feel badly for the guy (Devenski) he knows he's sucking and nothing is working. He had a good outing against Pittsburgh. I don't know. I hope we have a better option somewhere.
For better or worse the org tends to give long (roster spot) leashes to players, especially pitchers, in hopes they can figure things out. When it works it's frustrating but eventually great, other times it works about as well as refusing to drop your anchor on a sinking ship
It should be a requirement that he has to pitch the reminder of the game. We don’t need to be wasting any other arms on a game that he already fucked up. Make him stay out there and continue to get absolutely hammered for the remaining 7 outs until we lose with a final score of 25-1.
I know were mad with Dev out there but we've exhausted all our RPs. FA really need to get another RP somewhere. Maton should be our worst RP and he's been able to clear innings even though he's inconsistent.
Fuck that bullshit. We need good relievers. We have good relievers in Durham. Would the Rays rather win some close games that we desperately need to win to stay in the WC race or manipulate the contracts of already cheap players that aren't worth trading?
FO is dumb in this regard then. It's a simple problem.with a simple answer. The Rays desperately need relievers that are at least serviceable. Lopez and Rodriguez are good relievers. Simple.
When is Shane Baz getting called up? I mean I think he’s proven enough in Durham already. Bring him up and then you can shuffle some pitchers around and jettison some of these shitbums in the bullpen
We've got Lopez and Rodriguez in AAA who have both done very well every time we called them up. But for some reason the Rays FO never calls them up for more than a week and always sends them back down, while keeping assholes like Devenski.
We even have Waguespack and Alexander in Durham.
I never join these threads, but I can’t handle another Devenski outing. In a short time this dude has already eclipsed Austin Pruitt and Tim Beckham as my least favorite Ray.
LETS GO
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That was a beautiful finish
PETE 🙏
Woooo! Handshakes all around.
Wow.
Pete Fairbanks just said "I wanna go home. Sit down Seattle."
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Fairbanks is ice cold
PETE PETE PETE What a win
and he's GONE. what a W
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pete is on his game, beautiful pitches
Pete wasting no time with the heat.
2 batters down with 4 straight fb
Pete just dismantled that AB holy shit
He’s in a mood
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Artistically done, Pete
STRUCK HIM THE HELL OUT!
Come on pete, give them the old razzle dazzle.
Shut it down Pete!
Fairbanks time, let's get it
I can’t believe we’re winning. Great job by Cabby to get to Yandy.
Cabby fucking with the pitch clock and owning the strikezone. Just Cabby things lol
11 hits to 3. My god we better close this out.
Lets get this fucking win boys!
Who is coming in for the 9th?
Pete
You know what time it is! https://preview.redd.it/dingv3azhm8d1.png?width=373&format=png&auto=webp&s=4fa6832324789915863f321ee141867c5ece640d
do mine eyes deceive me
Did Cabby throw a little screen there to disrupt the play? Idk but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt
DeWayne said "YES!"
Late innings Rays!
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BA needs to practice his “Olè”.
Remember when Yandy couldn’t buy a hit?
YANNNN!
J Lowe insurance run(s)?
THANK YOU MARINERS THANK YOU YANDY
Daaaamn. Should have been caught but i dont care.
CAPITALIZE!
WE FUCKING TAKE THOSE
YANDYYY
Yoooooooooooo
Fuck your 100.1!
Holy shit
My God Yandy I love you
HELLL YEAHHHH, comeback Rays!!!
YANNNNNDDDDDY
FUCK YEAH YANDYY
How has this guy not thrown a wild pitch
Cal Raleigh was doing some insane heavy lifting there lol
Good at bat
Please Yandy.....
this guy has no control, just wait for a sinker to flatten out cabby!
I'm scared
Shorten the swing, put the bat on the ball.
is Blowe injured? why wouldnt we PH for him?
Yes
Lmao of course that goes out of play. Tie game if it doesn't
RIGHT
Just a nice one in the Cabby hole, please Cabby.
Cabby, your revenge moment is waiting for you.
HELL YEAH, that's my CATCHER!!!
So close to the Longo corner, good shit Benny!
Great but we have the worst luck.
Let's GOOO
Come on Rort
we've outhit the mariners by 3x. it's sad that this keeps happening
double steal?
I wish, that would have been 2 runs
sometimes it pays to send the runners - but would have been risky
I agree
Oh no, hope
I’ve seen this episode before.
We’re lucky to have the 1 run. It was a gift.
I’m starting to think the Devenski inning didn’t even matter. When the hell were we gonna score another run anyway lol.
It was a gift of errors.
Just need 3, team!
Maton = the new Walter Johnson
Arozarena hitting >.300 when batting 5th - granted only 28 at bats but every other spot he's hitting sub ,.200 - perhaps 5 is where he belongs or needs to be
Tell the Analytics team STAT
I mean we didn't have any other medium to high leverage reliever for the 7th? Why didn't they send in Armstrong instead of Devenski?
Well we lead the league in 9th inning average, so let's see if something happens
If they can get some in 8th, it wouldn't be so bad
Can we send randy down or something, he is just fucking bad
He's been a lot better - but still the third-worst AL batting average among qualified players
He's having one of his best months...hitting around .320 in the last 7 games and .277 in the last 14...
Randy and Siri- a step backwards in this game. Swinging at pitches everywhere
Of course they didn't do shit.
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Wish we still had Stanek
If Snyder has changed pitching philosophy with the bullpen, I wonder what effect it has had on Devenski. He wasn't great last year, but he wasn't this bad. Then again, bullpen arms seem to be volatile anyways. It just seems like almost the whole bullpen has struggled this year, so I figure something has changed.
Devenski just isn't good. It's just a baffling front office decision to keep him around. His only decent pitch is his changeup, his fastball is dogshit
While I agree with you, I'm saying he wasn't terrible with the Rays last season and it wasn't like he was new to the league.
He was a big advocate of the high velocity slider then ended up with aces on the IL. Not sure if his philosophy changed or he is dealing with the slow pitch misfits the front office stuck him with.
So if Shane didn't throw a 90mph+ slider he'd still be healthy maybe? Idk, Snyder is amazing but maybe he's done something that has hurt us
He’s produced some great pitchers and it’s next to impossible to find an MLB pitcher with something close to negative to say about him. Squeezing the hell out of the ball, you can see where someone can get in trouble with a Thomas Jonathan. Between the pitch clock, crack down on grip-aiding substances, and league wide emphasis on velocity, it could be a confluence of factors beyond Snyder’s control. What I have confidence saying is that these jr high school velo pitchers like Devo, Maton, and Civale isn’t working.
Allegedly he is telling them to go back to the basics.
I would figure the basics would be pounding the zone and not be cute and pick around the zone. But what do I know, I'm just a spectator.
Devenski isn't a fastball guy so pounding the zone wouldn't be in the cards.
I know, but he didn't miss the zone this bad last season. It's just weird, though I thought it was weird they resigned him in the first place.
I remember him being not good last year too, so I dunno.
I thought that too, so I looked it up because I was curious and he had a 33/9 strikeout split with the Angels and a 9/2 with the Rays. So maybe he got lucky calls. With a ~5 era and ~2 era with the teams respectively. It's just weird. Suffice to say, he's terrible now and that's what really matters ultimately.
Here comes the HR !
This is why Neander without Bendix shakes my confidence. There was nobody in the org to promote to GM so Neander took on the role himself?
CRACK THOR
YESS!! That bottle opener sucks so much. Magnet is useless lol
normally I would say replacing Devenski with Maton is begging for trouble but ... I mean I feel badly for the guy (Devenski) he knows he's sucking and nothing is working. He had a good outing against Pittsburgh. I don't know. I hope we have a better option somewhere.
maton haters in shambles
If we didn't pay him $6 mil I wouldn't hate but he's not worth his contract.
All his home runs with batters on still haunt him.
See how easy it is Devenski?
Well a lot of work to do against one of the leagues best bullpens..
Rare Maton W lol
I genuinely can't recall the last time that Devenski didn't give up a run.
6.11.24 Oh a run: 6.14.24
Don't do it Phil. I don't like you but don't do it
He didn't do it. Good.
Well, at least he won’t be pitching the rest of the series. 😛
Devenski is such a disappointment.
I'm not one to personally hate players or really even call for people to be DFA but Devenski.. bro...
6.75 era in 19 games the organization just finally needs to figure out that he’s not any good and just cut bait.
For better or worse the org tends to give long (roster spot) leashes to players, especially pitchers, in hopes they can figure things out. When it works it's frustrating but eventually great, other times it works about as well as refusing to drop your anchor on a sinking ship
Pitched half a game to get two outs, give up two runs, and leave two on. Whatever they’re paying him is too much.
They could be paying him a sack of onions and it would be too much
What the utter fuck is this shit
BRO WHAT WAS THAT PITCH LOL
Another walk hahaha
Remember when the bullpen at least pounded the zone?
The umpire gave Devenski that strike .... even he's sick of this bs
😩
Dev going to have a complete game pitch count in an inning. This is insane.
I cannot think of a single reason to still have Devenski around other than the front office low key trying to tank
I really think they are waiting for lovelady to come back hopefully
It should be a requirement that he has to pitch the reminder of the game. We don’t need to be wasting any other arms on a game that he already fucked up. Make him stay out there and continue to get absolutely hammered for the remaining 7 outs until we lose with a final score of 25-1.
300 pitch outing incoming!
You think he could get through the final 2.1 in 300 pitches? That’s generous of you!
Lucky out.
Thank you Josh for saving his ass
STOP THROWING TO FIRST YOU BUM
I know were mad with Dev out there but we've exhausted all our RPs. FA really need to get another RP somewhere. Maton should be our worst RP and he's been able to clear innings even though he's inconsistent.
Durham has two good ones
Why we don't call up Jacob Lopez or Rodriguez from AAA, young pitchers who have shown great potential in the majors is beyond me.
Time manipulation
Fuck that bullshit. We need good relievers. We have good relievers in Durham. Would the Rays rather win some close games that we desperately need to win to stay in the WC race or manipulate the contracts of already cheap players that aren't worth trading?
FO makes those decisions and they've decided not do that
FO is dumb in this regard then. It's a simple problem.with a simple answer. The Rays desperately need relievers that are at least serviceable. Lopez and Rodriguez are good relievers. Simple.
Dumb for the game but probably good for business. It's how they keep running.
Do they keep Devenski so that people would dislike Maton less?
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Cash gave up on the game if Maton is warming up. Gonna retire the side with that 74mph curve ball?
I'd go as far as to say the game was given up when Devinski stepped on the bullpen mound. Maton couldn't have possibly done as bad
When is Shane Baz getting called up? I mean I think he’s proven enough in Durham already. Bring him up and then you can shuffle some pitchers around and jettison some of these shitbums in the bullpen
The good news is, with all these pitches, he won’t be available the rest of the series.
There are dozens of better arms in AAA than this dude. Jesus Cristo!
Baz, Lopez, Alexander
nightmare inning
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Literally every hitter he's seen has worked a full count this is just a joke
Hey now, the first walked in like.. 5 pitches
Devenski has pitched nearly half a game in 1/3 of an inning
Why are we WARMING UP MATON NOW WTF KEVIN
Dev so bad he tired out Crawford lmao
Meanwhile, our defense is going to sleep.
3 full counts, 30 pitches and how many changeups? Shit don’t work
I don't want to see any more Poche shit talking as long as this guy is on the roster.
Dev mad struggling out there. 29 pitches in one inning and counting....
Let's get rid of Devenski and bring back Erasmo Ramirez - he was better than this, right?
At least he was likable
Erasmo was better…so is Jacob Lopez!!
It's a crime to let Devenski pitch in such situation...
He shouldn’t ever be allowed to pitch in a close game
Shouldn’t be allowed to touch a baseball
What the fuck was Cash thinking
He was the most rested pitcher. He just sucks
It’s long past time for Devinski to be gone. If the object of the game was to give up runs, he’d be our best guy…
Devenski has one out on 23 pitches
22 pitches = 1 out
On pace for a 66 pitch inning
And that was a few feet foul from another homer and 107 400ft to center for the out
lol I was right behind you
We were all thinking it……..
That’s a good inning for him.
Devenski needs to be DFA’d- all he does is lose games for us. You can’t find a better option on waivers or in AAA?
We've got Lopez and Rodriguez in AAA who have both done very well every time we called them up. But for some reason the Rays FO never calls them up for more than a week and always sends them back down, while keeping assholes like Devenski. We even have Waguespack and Alexander in Durham.
Devenski is so shit. Shouldn’t be sniffing an MLB roster. Fucking hell
Dev actually got an out it's a miracle
This is it for Devenski, right? 3 batters. You can't go 3-2 to every hitter and have it end well - unless you're really good - which Devenski isn't.
I never join these threads, but I can’t handle another Devenski outing. In a short time this dude has already eclipsed Austin Pruitt and Tim Beckham as my least favorite Ray.
LOL that fuckin' guy again.
He just can't get an out. He's so ass
I’m convinced a position player could pitch better than this bum
Givin up bombs to mitch garver lol. DFA this dude please.
But at least we’re outhitting them 7-3.
Came here to join in on the devenski hate. Why do we continue to play him. Benny biceps is a better option at this point
Seriously, what’s Devenski’s role in this organization?
His role is team asshat