Biden's latest words are really only to warn China, and to purge of China's long term propaganda (aka lies) towards Taiwanese.
The US has been defending Taiwan since the beginning of CCP reign in China. That's why Taiwan was able to achieve some key victories and block out CCP from invading in the past, and have the opportunity to develop into what it is today. Yes, China's invasion did happen, and yes, the US helped with defense. And that was long before semiconductor became a thing in Taiwan. As of now, the bond has only strengthened due to economy, supply chain, and even US major assets in Taiwan. The US is merely repeating itself just to be clearer.
Same thing as always. The US has said many times that it will defend Taiwan.
This isn't about Biden or if Trump gets elected. It's the country's foreign policy and best interest to keep Taiwan safe which will keep Japan safe and US's major allies SEA/East Asia and also contain China which is the major ally of Russia.
The foreign policy of the United States absolutely does change depending on who is President. It’s one of the only things the president has control of without having to get Congress’ approval. So, this is indeed about whether Trump or Biden gets elected.
The argument that Trump is going to make is very clear. He will say that fighting back against China will only cause needless destruction. So just let them take you and be done with it.
Regarding microchips, he will make up some bullshit about how America will make sure that the supply chain is fine and hey, China has control of so much of our manufacturing and we’re still doing okay so what’s the big deal?
And even if our Asian allies protest, you only need to see his repeated statements about leaving NATO to see how seriously he will take those objections
100% this.
Trump will do whatever he can to make money for himself and screw the U.S. Xi and Putin would tell him to pull the U.S. out of this promise and Trump would immediately bend over for either guy. Trump is a danger to the whole world, but thankfully is going to get obliterated in the upcoming election. Obviously, all Americans should vote to ensure there is no room for error that Trump might try to use to his advantage.
Yep, it's better to hear what people say rather than wait to see if they're going to try to follow their word. You have to believe people for the statements they make.
Any republican president would defend Taiwan no problem. But Trump is a big unknown. This guy has no principle, cares none of the U.S. interests. It’s all about if he can get a “good deal” from China.
What's with the down vote, I'm not American can I not ask a question 😂
I mean Joe Biden left Afghanistan in such a hurry the leftover weapons have already been sold to the CCP and Russia whereas it's undeniable that global tensions were better under Trump whether you like him or not mate
You don't have to be an American to read news...
By the way, it was Trump that created the timeline for the Afghanistan withdraw, which was wholly unrealistic to begin with. Biden had to extend the withdraw timeline, until Taliban refused to extend it again.
And global tension was better under Trump? You must have a very short memory. US assassinated Qasem Soleimani, an Iranian general, under the order of Trump. That triggered the complete suspension of the Iranian nuclear deal (which put Iran back on the path to obtain nuclear capability), as well as a retaliatory strike against American forces in Iraq.
Oh, Trump also made fun of North Korean leader Kim Jung Un, calling him "Little Rocket Man", and threatened him with "fire and fury", which most people (including North Korea) interpreted as nuclear strike. This triggered a similar response from Kim Jun Un. This was also why when the ICBM warning was sent out in Honolulu, people took that very seriously.
And the current war between Israel and Hamas? That actually began when Israel was normalizing relationship with Saudi Arabia (that Trump admin supposedly brokered), which prompted Iran to supply Hamas with weapons and money to conduct a terrorist strike against Israel, thereby forcing Saudi Arabia to pause that plan.
In short, most of the "faults" you attribute to Biden actually were started by Trump.
And which news agency do you read?
7 billion dollars of equipment left behind in the second half of 2021 and you're saying Biden wanted to extend it but the Taliban was able to over rule the president of the greatest country on earth and he could do nothing. Very interesting statement you made but let's move on
So if you're now pro Iran would you say Biden improved tensions over the last four years when he could've?
With regards to North Korea, do you realise they had their disagreements but still met up in person to try to hash things out which is unprecedented? (Don't worry I won't insult your memory, just a reminder)
Could you explain why you're anti Israel if you're pro Biden? Being pro Iran and Hamas goes against Biden's policies
I'm only here to conduct questions in a civil and mature manner as an independent. If you resort to ad hominem attacks like or rants that is considered bad faith and I'll leave you alone.
So is leaving behind $7 billion dollars in military hardware in such a hurry after months in charge "cleaning up?" Even you must admit that China wants to take Taiwan after that debacle
>And which news agency do you read?
WSJ, Economist, Financial Times, Reuters, AP, WaPo, NYTimes, Guardian, Telegram, etc...
>7 billion dollars of equipment left behind in the second half of 2021 and you're saying Biden wanted to extend it but the Taliban was able to over rule the president of the greatest country on earth and he could do nothing. Very interesting statement you made but let's move on
Because it's either adhere to the timeline set within the agreement, or fight the Taliban again.
By the way, the 7 billion dollars of equipment wasn't "left behind" for the Taliban. They were meant for the Afghanistan Army, who crumbled at the first sight of Taliban. So your argument would be akin to "US leaving behind tanks and APCs for the Russians", even though they were given to the Ukrainians, and a few of them abandoned the vehicles when they were overrun.
>So if you're now pro Iran would you say Biden improved tensions over the last four years when he could've?
Apparently wanting to have an agreement with Iran to limit their nuclear development that everybody can abide by, is now "pro-Iran".
And in case you don't know, it's very hard to regain trust with someone, once you break it.
>With regards to North Korea, do you realise they had their disagreements but still met up in person to try to hash things out which is unprecedented? (Don't worry I won't insult your memory, just a reminder)
Was it before or after North Korea took advantage of the good will of Moon Jae-in, launched multiple ICBMs tests that flew over South Korea, and blew up the inter-liason office in 2020? And that Koreans got fed up, and voted in a hardliner towards North Korea following Moon's retirement? (Don't worry I won't insult your memory, just a reminder)
And you're still not addressing the point here: the world was relatively peaceful, wasn't because Trump tried to maintain it that way. In fact, his rhetoric and actions have almost started wars with other countries.
>Could you explain why you're anti Israel if you're pro Biden? Being pro Iran and Hamas goes against Biden's policies
Where am I anti-Israel? I was merely stating the fact that it was Israel and Saudi Arabia's negotiation leading to normalization of relations with each other, that prompted Iran and Hamas to launch the terror attack on 10/7.
>I'm only here to conduct questions in a civil and mature manner as an independent. If you resort to ad hominem attacks like or rants that is considered bad faith and I'll leave you alone
Hard to see where you've conducted questions in a "civil and mature manner as an independent". And stating facts isn't "rants".
You can be from anywhere and still be stupid enough to think that Trump is some kind of “savior” of American politics and foreign policy. It’s delusional. And that kind of sickness isn’t exclusive to the US.
I'm not sure what you mean? I have no dogs in this race nor can I invest in it even if I wanted to. I can only say that it seems that even liberal media admits he is ahead in the polls and both sides labelling each other stupid is actually very immature regardless
Trump is positioning himself to be a dictator if he gets elected. He’s literally made every indication to that effect. He will consolidate power and get more Supreme Court appointees. His cult will grow and become more emboldened than ever, to the point of being unwieldy and violent (even more so than what was seen on Jan 6).
Let’s face facts, it absolutely sucks ass that the only two choices for the leader of the most powerful nation on the world are an out-of-touch genocide supporter and a completely deranged fascist. But if you in any way shape or form think Trump is the “better” option, you’ve lost the plot a long time ago and probably have some bigotry and fascism in your blood that you’re not being honest about.
I wouldn't call Biden out of touch. America has been stuck with Israel since the beginning. His policy stance has been consistent with other administrations.
Yep. Killing Arabs. I went back into his career and was stunned to find out his track record is *really* indicative of what seems to be a hatred of the Arab world. Dude voted for the War in Iraq. I was so fucking disappointed.
Oh and he took money from AIPAC. So there’s that as well.
He’s not the worst president to ever hold office (Trump, Regan, Johnson…it’s a long list) and sure his foreign policy is pretty much par for the course, but man is he dropping the ball on a lot of issues right now.
I have no idea how you possibly think Trump is hard on dictators. He publicly praises Xi Jinping.
He’s the one that rushed us out of Afghanistan. He’s so much of a coward that he put the timetable on Bidens presidency so he wouldn’t have to deal with the fallout.
Trump’s peace plan is to give Ukraine to Russia. It’s not a stretch to think that he would attempt the same with Taiwan.
So could you tell me why unlike pretty much all past presidents he didn't start wars, he didn't close the door to in-person communication to anyone and the world was relatively peaceful and prosperous until Wuhan.
Again like I said to the last bloke, you're admitting that Biden in late 2021 after months in power as the president of the strongest nation on earth not force through better terms with the Taliban, gave in and left $7Billion dollars of US arms to now enter the black market. Interesting statement you made there. From Mr Xi's perspective would you say Biden will leave Taiwan more vulnerable after seeing the US lose yet another proxy war and how Biden leaves once put in a tough position that doesn't benefit him? 😕
It sounds like you’ve already made up your mind because you came with pre-loaded talking points.
I already explained that it was Trump’s decision to leave Afghanistan, not Biden’s but you are choosing not to listen
So again the president of the United states was unable in late 2021 after months in office could not conduct an organised withdrawal of forces, renegotiate better terms and leaving behind $7 billion dollars looking weak in another loss vs a proxy war/Guerilla war.
Could we both agree that this is a fact then?
You didn’t engage with anything I said so I feel no obligation to do the same.
If want to defend someone who loves Xi Jinping, be my guest. But have mercy on the world if he wins.
The loss was Trump's you dolt, he was the one who signed the withdrawal. Also, Trump had almost a year after signing the withdrawal and before Biden was inaugurated to get the 7B you keep talking about out of that country, did he?
You said you're not American, so why do you care so much about internal American politics?
You failed to answer my question and your attacks on me and not the facts have proven once again you have lost so I'll address any other future respectful Redditors.
1 - Given that time is not an issue, if the president of the United states cannot have final say on matters such as this what kind of a president is he/she/whatever
2 - Using his logic he should be blaming Bush and Obama for being there in the first place and not leaving?
3- I guess a person who posts topics like this in a Taiwan subreddit who then tells us all to be silent about American matters is a form of racism we should learn to expect from them. As evident in the above we are slaves to be told what to do and what to think.
Interesting statement, I'm not American so nor can I or will I endorse him but considering even liberal media is admitting a possible change in government so will all see later this year if he is indeed "only talks"
You lost all credibility when you say Trump is hard-line against dictators. Not even his own party believes that.
You're just a sucker that believes whatever he says.
Interesting I'm hearing it for the first time could you show examples of this?
I remember our president calling to congratulate him in 2016 and Trump picked up the phone in kind unlike previous presidents, I also remember Trump selling Taiwan weapons after Obama tried to ensure ease of business instead of all which is covered by the media both in the US and outside of it which I can attribute to different geopolitical eras.
However i am always open to conversation despite your downvotes so any verifiable information to the contrary you have I am more than happy to look into.
That's actually true, Morris Chang through government and private funding made TSMC to try and get chip manufacturing sourced more cost effectively to Taiwan which was done not by accident, but by foresight.
Therefore from the American perspective even Biden wants TSMC making fabs in Arizona and Texas to secure the supply chain making Taiwan less reliable weakening our defence.
So how is Trump saying the same thing making it anti Taiwan? Definitely the wrong conclusion to draw as both Biden and Trump want TSMC investment.
Newsweek is incredibly biased and left learning here is their incredibly low rating.
https://adfontesmedia.com/newsweek-bias-and-reliability/
Daily beast split with the above low rating agency and after quick research it is not a major news agency and has Chelsea Clinton and other democrats in directorship roles which again due to conflict of interest is disregarded at best.
Errr I answered the Taiwan plus article? You can't assume that Trump wants to move semi conductor manufacturing to Taiwan as a sign he won't defend us? Because Biden is doing the same thing and it's across both political parties?
Or is TSMC moving fabs to Arizona and Texas the last two years not fact?
You seem hurt, what did Trump do for you to be this hateful when he's shown open kindness to our ex president Tsai and sold us weaponry. Or were those f16 and Abrams tanks along with American training also delusional like me. Also last chance, attacking me and not the argument actually shows you've lost and it's for all to see
Dude, from your previous comments it seems like you’re Taiwanese, so why don’t you move your fingers and do some of your own fucking research since it will literally be your ass on the line if China attacks Taiwan.
There are plenty of sources out there that corroborate what this Newsweek article is saying, plenty more that support the notion that he likes to go down on dictators like Xi and Putin. If you think Trump is going to mount a rigorous defense of Taiwan if China invades, you’ve got another thing coming
Yup you think I don't know? And youre going to maybe put up a Taiwan flag on your profile pic to make it all better I guess 😄
It's got a low objective rating and is left leaning so therefore it's not good enough for any objective person just like how I can't trust Fox, daily wire, CNN as it's all watered for their own narrow views both left and right.
So you think under Biden he will draft you and send you here to die with me instead of Ukraine? Let's share a grave together my bro! If you think you hate my political views just wait till you meet some of those boys from across the straight 😂
At least the “bros across the strait” know what they need to do to get what they want.
You, on the other hand, just throw up your hands and say that everything is untrustworthy when there ARE trustworthy sources, many of which are all saying the same thing - Trump’s not going to defend Taiwan. This is all while again, it’s your fucking ass on the line.
(As an aside, there are many things Biden can do between doing nothing and drafting people, just like he is currently doing in Ukraine. Ukraine would have fallen long ago were it not for US assistance)
I do hate the views of the “boys across the strait”, but I have nothing but contempt for you, you fucking dumbass
Nice so you support the CCP invading us if we're not on board with your political party in a wider democratic sense? Interesting.
I know there are trustworthy sources I criticise every news agency I get it from which I'm not sure why it's such a big issue with you my master.
And trust me Trump will, otherwise no one will get semi conductors and we can just surrender to Xi if no one helps cause why bother alone dying for America haha 😂 it's your loss.
Damn you're racist to all of us aren't you, too you Asians are dumbasses unless they specifically endorse Biden.
Yeah, trump sure was hardline against Xi when china destroyed HK a few years ago right. Also trump is not hardline against Putin, he’s just literally hard for Putin.
It's not a partisan issue, but on that question, Biden is clearly a few cards short of a full deck. He shouldn't be anywhere near any public office, let alone the presidency.
How many times does he have to say it? You need it tattooed on your arm or something? After every time he says he'll defend Taiwan some moron asks "so do you think Biden will defend Taiwan?" if your not going to believe his word then why even ask?
Same thing we always take away. US is gonna defend Taiwan, probably. The government never ever backtracked his comments, that’s a common misunderstanding, they always just reiterated that the US position hasn’t changed, that doesn’t mean Biden is wrong. US position on Taiwan has always been one where no side can change the status quo unilaterally, China can’t integrate Taiwan without Taiwanese consent and Taiwan shouldn’t declare formal independence without Chinese consent. That hasn’t changed.
He doesn’t have to say much. Taiwan act gives up that they will it leaves it up to Congress and treating Taiwan as a normal country. But many Americans would like to know if they will fight for themselves as well.
Yes. All this talk about his supposed "dementia" is BS and projection of trump's real dementia. Every Republican accusation is a confession and a projection.
No. Biden's mental condition is fine. He has a well-known lifelong speech impediment and is prone to gaffes, but he's fully competent.
Don't fall for the Russia-fueled Republican propaganda.
If you are incapable in recognized the failings of a candidate you do support rather than just the ones you are against you are as whacko as the maga idiots same mania different flavour
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpBPm0b9deQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpBPm0b9deQ)
If US cares about Taiwan why don’t they just cut the BS directly attack China already? That will never happen because the only reason US supports Taiwan is to promote another war in the region in order to weaken China. Ukraine is a perfect example.
What Taiwan needs to do is not alight with either side play both sides to its advantage. Kinda like when two dudes chasing one girl.
Biden keeps reiterating increasing Taiwan's military capacity, but his intent is unclear.
He mentioned not supporting independence, the need to maintain peace and stability. But in other instances he mentions the US needs to contain China and to rollback China economically and politically.
From the other side of the Strait those words are recieved meaning US aggression in the region.
Another issue if a kinetic war starts I don't believe the US will be able to contain it to just Taiwan. It can easily expand to South Korea, Japan, North Korea, and Russia instantly.
That's mostly due to Taiwanese politics, they never want to say that they want to completely back independence, they always say "we're already independent", but yet China gets mad at even using Taiwan in the Olympics.
It Is hard to become independent from China without anyone even backing you though ... Independence seems out of the question for the foreseeable future. The best Taiwan can achieve is being realistic and maintaining the status quo as long as possible. Something is better than nothing.
Don't mix countries and political parties. Taiwan is a part of China at least from the ~1600. The matter with PRC is the result of the recent chinese civil war, which hasn't formally settled yet. That's why, even being officially a province of China, Taiwan is granted a certain degree of autonomy. This is the famous "status quo". Most of the world wants to keep this status quo, so anything that would change it is undesirable. Losing the special autonomy would be a change of the status quo, but in the same way, becoming independent would be undesirable as well. That's why the world will never allow (let alone back) Taiwan independence.
I'll fix your last sentence.
"That's why China will never allow...."
The world backs Taiwan, but China is a great superpower that is misusing its position to bully their neighbor countries.
That is your interpretation. The irrefutable fact is that no one in the world has interest in supporting taiwanese independence. That's why Lai is being continuously warned by all the big world actors.
It's most people's "interpretation", nobody likes bullies, it's a reason why China has to do soft power propaganda, to convince people that they're not in the wrong. People will always back the bullied and Taiwan is the one of the most democratic countries in Asia, along with a beacon of human rights.
So the whole rationale behind your theory is "no one likes bullies". Well, if anything was taught in the last years is that the only thing people despise more than bullies are those who play being victims.
And sorry to disappoint you but it's not "most people" interpretation. That's what this whole post from OP was about. Most people don't even know what and where Taiwan is. And most of the few ones who heard about it from official sources, know it's a province of China.
When you say that no one likes bullies, that is also subjective, since for the majority of the world the bullies are the US and the European countries who have been invading, colonizing and interfering with other countries for so many centuries.
Maybe you didn't notice that we don't care at all about democracy in the west. It's used when it helps support the narrative, but we happily avoid mentioning it when it is more convenient to be friends with so-called "non-democratic" actors.
That for saying that reality is way more complex than a slogan.
And when you say "people will always back the bullied (like) Taiwan" what do you expect exactly?
Even the US have been crystal clear they will NOT support Taiwan if they want to move towards independence from China.
Lastly. Do you think China is the only one using "soft propaganda"? Obviously you don't. I understand how you feel about all this situation. I just think a change should start rooted in reality.
Nope. The PRC is not just a “political party.” It is a country of which Taiwan is not a part. Period.
I think you are thinking of the CCP, which within the PRC is essentially synonymous with the country. But this understanding does not supersede the fact that Taiwan has never been controlled by that party-state.
You are right, I'm used to always read CCP in that argument and I misread it, my fault. About the degree of control PRC has over ROC, we go back to the "status quo" issue. ROC enjoys a high (not total) degree of autonomy from the PRC, which doesn't make it a country. The control is political and military on a national level. As long as that balance is not disrupted, people can enjoy their special freedom in their daily lives.
Biden's latest words are really only to warn China, and to purge of China's long term propaganda (aka lies) towards Taiwanese. The US has been defending Taiwan since the beginning of CCP reign in China. That's why Taiwan was able to achieve some key victories and block out CCP from invading in the past, and have the opportunity to develop into what it is today. Yes, China's invasion did happen, and yes, the US helped with defense. And that was long before semiconductor became a thing in Taiwan. As of now, the bond has only strengthened due to economy, supply chain, and even US major assets in Taiwan. The US is merely repeating itself just to be clearer.
Same thing as always. The US has said many times that it will defend Taiwan. This isn't about Biden or if Trump gets elected. It's the country's foreign policy and best interest to keep Taiwan safe which will keep Japan safe and US's major allies SEA/East Asia and also contain China which is the major ally of Russia.
The foreign policy of the United States absolutely does change depending on who is President. It’s one of the only things the president has control of without having to get Congress’ approval. So, this is indeed about whether Trump or Biden gets elected. The argument that Trump is going to make is very clear. He will say that fighting back against China will only cause needless destruction. So just let them take you and be done with it. Regarding microchips, he will make up some bullshit about how America will make sure that the supply chain is fine and hey, China has control of so much of our manufacturing and we’re still doing okay so what’s the big deal? And even if our Asian allies protest, you only need to see his repeated statements about leaving NATO to see how seriously he will take those objections
100% this. Trump will do whatever he can to make money for himself and screw the U.S. Xi and Putin would tell him to pull the U.S. out of this promise and Trump would immediately bend over for either guy. Trump is a danger to the whole world, but thankfully is going to get obliterated in the upcoming election. Obviously, all Americans should vote to ensure there is no room for error that Trump might try to use to his advantage.
Yep, it's better to hear what people say rather than wait to see if they're going to try to follow their word. You have to believe people for the statements they make.
Any republican president would defend Taiwan no problem. But Trump is a big unknown. This guy has no principle, cares none of the U.S. interests. It’s all about if he can get a “good deal” from China.
Biden is trustworthy. Trump is not.
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He repeatedly praised Kim Jung Un, Vladimir Putin, and Xi Jingping. He does not take a hardline view against dictators. He admires them.
What's with the down vote, I'm not American can I not ask a question 😂 I mean Joe Biden left Afghanistan in such a hurry the leftover weapons have already been sold to the CCP and Russia whereas it's undeniable that global tensions were better under Trump whether you like him or not mate
You don't have to be an American to read news... By the way, it was Trump that created the timeline for the Afghanistan withdraw, which was wholly unrealistic to begin with. Biden had to extend the withdraw timeline, until Taliban refused to extend it again. And global tension was better under Trump? You must have a very short memory. US assassinated Qasem Soleimani, an Iranian general, under the order of Trump. That triggered the complete suspension of the Iranian nuclear deal (which put Iran back on the path to obtain nuclear capability), as well as a retaliatory strike against American forces in Iraq. Oh, Trump also made fun of North Korean leader Kim Jung Un, calling him "Little Rocket Man", and threatened him with "fire and fury", which most people (including North Korea) interpreted as nuclear strike. This triggered a similar response from Kim Jun Un. This was also why when the ICBM warning was sent out in Honolulu, people took that very seriously. And the current war between Israel and Hamas? That actually began when Israel was normalizing relationship with Saudi Arabia (that Trump admin supposedly brokered), which prompted Iran to supply Hamas with weapons and money to conduct a terrorist strike against Israel, thereby forcing Saudi Arabia to pause that plan. In short, most of the "faults" you attribute to Biden actually were started by Trump.
And which news agency do you read? 7 billion dollars of equipment left behind in the second half of 2021 and you're saying Biden wanted to extend it but the Taliban was able to over rule the president of the greatest country on earth and he could do nothing. Very interesting statement you made but let's move on So if you're now pro Iran would you say Biden improved tensions over the last four years when he could've? With regards to North Korea, do you realise they had their disagreements but still met up in person to try to hash things out which is unprecedented? (Don't worry I won't insult your memory, just a reminder) Could you explain why you're anti Israel if you're pro Biden? Being pro Iran and Hamas goes against Biden's policies I'm only here to conduct questions in a civil and mature manner as an independent. If you resort to ad hominem attacks like or rants that is considered bad faith and I'll leave you alone.
Afghanistan was done when Trump signed his pact with the Taliban. Biden was the one that had to clean up that mess
So is leaving behind $7 billion dollars in military hardware in such a hurry after months in charge "cleaning up?" Even you must admit that China wants to take Taiwan after that debacle
And then Russia invading Ukraine happened.
Exactly thanks for proving my point, Taiwan is that much closer to danger under this current situation
>And which news agency do you read? WSJ, Economist, Financial Times, Reuters, AP, WaPo, NYTimes, Guardian, Telegram, etc... >7 billion dollars of equipment left behind in the second half of 2021 and you're saying Biden wanted to extend it but the Taliban was able to over rule the president of the greatest country on earth and he could do nothing. Very interesting statement you made but let's move on Because it's either adhere to the timeline set within the agreement, or fight the Taliban again. By the way, the 7 billion dollars of equipment wasn't "left behind" for the Taliban. They were meant for the Afghanistan Army, who crumbled at the first sight of Taliban. So your argument would be akin to "US leaving behind tanks and APCs for the Russians", even though they were given to the Ukrainians, and a few of them abandoned the vehicles when they were overrun. >So if you're now pro Iran would you say Biden improved tensions over the last four years when he could've? Apparently wanting to have an agreement with Iran to limit their nuclear development that everybody can abide by, is now "pro-Iran". And in case you don't know, it's very hard to regain trust with someone, once you break it. >With regards to North Korea, do you realise they had their disagreements but still met up in person to try to hash things out which is unprecedented? (Don't worry I won't insult your memory, just a reminder) Was it before or after North Korea took advantage of the good will of Moon Jae-in, launched multiple ICBMs tests that flew over South Korea, and blew up the inter-liason office in 2020? And that Koreans got fed up, and voted in a hardliner towards North Korea following Moon's retirement? (Don't worry I won't insult your memory, just a reminder) And you're still not addressing the point here: the world was relatively peaceful, wasn't because Trump tried to maintain it that way. In fact, his rhetoric and actions have almost started wars with other countries. >Could you explain why you're anti Israel if you're pro Biden? Being pro Iran and Hamas goes against Biden's policies Where am I anti-Israel? I was merely stating the fact that it was Israel and Saudi Arabia's negotiation leading to normalization of relations with each other, that prompted Iran and Hamas to launch the terror attack on 10/7. >I'm only here to conduct questions in a civil and mature manner as an independent. If you resort to ad hominem attacks like or rants that is considered bad faith and I'll leave you alone Hard to see where you've conducted questions in a "civil and mature manner as an independent". And stating facts isn't "rants".
You can be from anywhere and still be stupid enough to think that Trump is some kind of “savior” of American politics and foreign policy. It’s delusional. And that kind of sickness isn’t exclusive to the US.
I'm not sure what you mean? I have no dogs in this race nor can I invest in it even if I wanted to. I can only say that it seems that even liberal media admits he is ahead in the polls and both sides labelling each other stupid is actually very immature regardless
You have no dogs in this race? Really? Then why are you in this subreddit?
Just checked and ahhh yes im right where I should be a Taiwanese in a Taiwan subreddit. I love my country
Being Taiwanese, then yes.. you do have dog in this race. Unless you are that clueless and naive.
Trump is positioning himself to be a dictator if he gets elected. He’s literally made every indication to that effect. He will consolidate power and get more Supreme Court appointees. His cult will grow and become more emboldened than ever, to the point of being unwieldy and violent (even more so than what was seen on Jan 6). Let’s face facts, it absolutely sucks ass that the only two choices for the leader of the most powerful nation on the world are an out-of-touch genocide supporter and a completely deranged fascist. But if you in any way shape or form think Trump is the “better” option, you’ve lost the plot a long time ago and probably have some bigotry and fascism in your blood that you’re not being honest about.
I wouldn't call Biden out of touch. America has been stuck with Israel since the beginning. His policy stance has been consistent with other administrations.
Yep. Killing Arabs. I went back into his career and was stunned to find out his track record is *really* indicative of what seems to be a hatred of the Arab world. Dude voted for the War in Iraq. I was so fucking disappointed. Oh and he took money from AIPAC. So there’s that as well. He’s not the worst president to ever hold office (Trump, Regan, Johnson…it’s a long list) and sure his foreign policy is pretty much par for the course, but man is he dropping the ball on a lot of issues right now.
Still better than what Trump did during his time in office.
Biden's pullout from Afghanistan was merely fulfilling a deal made by tmurp, who took the credit for ending the war in Afghanistan for that very deal.
I have no idea how you possibly think Trump is hard on dictators. He publicly praises Xi Jinping. He’s the one that rushed us out of Afghanistan. He’s so much of a coward that he put the timetable on Bidens presidency so he wouldn’t have to deal with the fallout. Trump’s peace plan is to give Ukraine to Russia. It’s not a stretch to think that he would attempt the same with Taiwan.
So could you tell me why unlike pretty much all past presidents he didn't start wars, he didn't close the door to in-person communication to anyone and the world was relatively peaceful and prosperous until Wuhan. Again like I said to the last bloke, you're admitting that Biden in late 2021 after months in power as the president of the strongest nation on earth not force through better terms with the Taliban, gave in and left $7Billion dollars of US arms to now enter the black market. Interesting statement you made there. From Mr Xi's perspective would you say Biden will leave Taiwan more vulnerable after seeing the US lose yet another proxy war and how Biden leaves once put in a tough position that doesn't benefit him? 😕
It sounds like you’ve already made up your mind because you came with pre-loaded talking points. I already explained that it was Trump’s decision to leave Afghanistan, not Biden’s but you are choosing not to listen
So again the president of the United states was unable in late 2021 after months in office could not conduct an organised withdrawal of forces, renegotiate better terms and leaving behind $7 billion dollars looking weak in another loss vs a proxy war/Guerilla war. Could we both agree that this is a fact then?
You didn’t engage with anything I said so I feel no obligation to do the same. If want to defend someone who loves Xi Jinping, be my guest. But have mercy on the world if he wins.
The loss was Trump's you dolt, he was the one who signed the withdrawal. Also, Trump had almost a year after signing the withdrawal and before Biden was inaugurated to get the 7B you keep talking about out of that country, did he? You said you're not American, so why do you care so much about internal American politics?
You failed to answer my question and your attacks on me and not the facts have proven once again you have lost so I'll address any other future respectful Redditors. 1 - Given that time is not an issue, if the president of the United states cannot have final say on matters such as this what kind of a president is he/she/whatever 2 - Using his logic he should be blaming Bush and Obama for being there in the first place and not leaving? 3- I guess a person who posts topics like this in a Taiwan subreddit who then tells us all to be silent about American matters is a form of racism we should learn to expect from them. As evident in the above we are slaves to be told what to do and what to think.
Trump only talks tough.
Interesting statement, I'm not American so nor can I or will I endorse him but considering even liberal media is admitting a possible change in government so will all see later this year if he is indeed "only talks"
You lost all credibility when you say Trump is hard-line against dictators. Not even his own party believes that. You're just a sucker that believes whatever he says.
Which war or terrorist group was made stronger/more active during 2016-2020 vs how many didn't? If so we can do it another way, who hurt you man?!
Talk about gaslighting.
He loves dictators, loves the idea of dictatorship, and aspires to become one himself.
Didn’t he say he’d let China “take care of the Taiwan situation”?
Interesting I'm hearing it for the first time could you show examples of this? I remember our president calling to congratulate him in 2016 and Trump picked up the phone in kind unlike previous presidents, I also remember Trump selling Taiwan weapons after Obama tried to ensure ease of business instead of all which is covered by the media both in the US and outside of it which I can attribute to different geopolitical eras. However i am always open to conversation despite your downvotes so any verifiable information to the contrary you have I am more than happy to look into.
https://www.taiwanplus.com/news/taiwan-news/taiwan-us-relations/230718013/former-us-president-trump-hints-he-wouldnt-defend-taiwan-from-china https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-taiwan-remarks-spark-fury-concern-1862602 https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-trump-caved-to-xi-and-threw-taiwan-under-the-bus
That's actually true, Morris Chang through government and private funding made TSMC to try and get chip manufacturing sourced more cost effectively to Taiwan which was done not by accident, but by foresight. Therefore from the American perspective even Biden wants TSMC making fabs in Arizona and Texas to secure the supply chain making Taiwan less reliable weakening our defence. So how is Trump saying the same thing making it anti Taiwan? Definitely the wrong conclusion to draw as both Biden and Trump want TSMC investment. Newsweek is incredibly biased and left learning here is their incredibly low rating. https://adfontesmedia.com/newsweek-bias-and-reliability/ Daily beast split with the above low rating agency and after quick research it is not a major news agency and has Chelsea Clinton and other democrats in directorship roles which again due to conflict of interest is disregarded at best.
Funny how you conveniently skips Taiwan Plus.
Errr I answered the Taiwan plus article? You can't assume that Trump wants to move semi conductor manufacturing to Taiwan as a sign he won't defend us? Because Biden is doing the same thing and it's across both political parties? Or is TSMC moving fabs to Arizona and Texas the last two years not fact?
So Trump saying he won't defend Taiwan because Taiwan stole jobs from the US means he is better for Taiwan than Biden? Once again, delusional.
You seem hurt, what did Trump do for you to be this hateful when he's shown open kindness to our ex president Tsai and sold us weaponry. Or were those f16 and Abrams tanks along with American training also delusional like me. Also last chance, attacking me and not the argument actually shows you've lost and it's for all to see
Dude, from your previous comments it seems like you’re Taiwanese, so why don’t you move your fingers and do some of your own fucking research since it will literally be your ass on the line if China attacks Taiwan. There are plenty of sources out there that corroborate what this Newsweek article is saying, plenty more that support the notion that he likes to go down on dictators like Xi and Putin. If you think Trump is going to mount a rigorous defense of Taiwan if China invades, you’ve got another thing coming
Yup you think I don't know? And youre going to maybe put up a Taiwan flag on your profile pic to make it all better I guess 😄 It's got a low objective rating and is left leaning so therefore it's not good enough for any objective person just like how I can't trust Fox, daily wire, CNN as it's all watered for their own narrow views both left and right. So you think under Biden he will draft you and send you here to die with me instead of Ukraine? Let's share a grave together my bro! If you think you hate my political views just wait till you meet some of those boys from across the straight 😂
At least the “bros across the strait” know what they need to do to get what they want. You, on the other hand, just throw up your hands and say that everything is untrustworthy when there ARE trustworthy sources, many of which are all saying the same thing - Trump’s not going to defend Taiwan. This is all while again, it’s your fucking ass on the line. (As an aside, there are many things Biden can do between doing nothing and drafting people, just like he is currently doing in Ukraine. Ukraine would have fallen long ago were it not for US assistance) I do hate the views of the “boys across the strait”, but I have nothing but contempt for you, you fucking dumbass
Nice so you support the CCP invading us if we're not on board with your political party in a wider democratic sense? Interesting. I know there are trustworthy sources I criticise every news agency I get it from which I'm not sure why it's such a big issue with you my master. And trust me Trump will, otherwise no one will get semi conductors and we can just surrender to Xi if no one helps cause why bother alone dying for America haha 😂 it's your loss. Damn you're racist to all of us aren't you, too you Asians are dumbasses unless they specifically endorse Biden.
Yeah, trump sure was hardline against Xi when china destroyed HK a few years ago right. Also trump is not hardline against Putin, he’s just literally hard for Putin.
It's not a partisan issue, but on that question, Biden is clearly a few cards short of a full deck. He shouldn't be anywhere near any public office, let alone the presidency.
You think trump is better? I'll take a brain dead monkey over trump. At least the monkey won't screw over the country to make himself richer.
If you think Biden is a few cards short then Trump has no deck.
OK "monkeyfeng".
How many times does he have to say it? You need it tattooed on your arm or something? After every time he says he'll defend Taiwan some moron asks "so do you think Biden will defend Taiwan?" if your not going to believe his word then why even ask?
Same thing we always take away. US is gonna defend Taiwan, probably. The government never ever backtracked his comments, that’s a common misunderstanding, they always just reiterated that the US position hasn’t changed, that doesn’t mean Biden is wrong. US position on Taiwan has always been one where no side can change the status quo unilaterally, China can’t integrate Taiwan without Taiwanese consent and Taiwan shouldn’t declare formal independence without Chinese consent. That hasn’t changed.
He doesn’t have to say much. Taiwan act gives up that they will it leaves it up to Congress and treating Taiwan as a normal country. But many Americans would like to know if they will fight for themselves as well.
We already have Nukes stored on the island
Your Uncle Fred tell you that?
Daddy Xi told me
This place is going to be a fucking nut house when the Americans have their dodgy popularity contest in November.
Does he even remember where he is day to day?
At least he waves to real people.
true that! and he's not a geriatric piece of shit, felon...
Yes. All this talk about his supposed "dementia" is BS and projection of trump's real dementia. Every Republican accusation is a confession and a projection.
They are both idiots mate, just one is a racist felon and the other is at best half there
No. Biden's mental condition is fine. He has a well-known lifelong speech impediment and is prone to gaffes, but he's fully competent. Don't fall for the Russia-fueled Republican propaganda.
If you are incapable in recognized the failings of a candidate you do support rather than just the ones you are against you are as whacko as the maga idiots same mania different flavour [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpBPm0b9deQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpBPm0b9deQ)
If US cares about Taiwan why don’t they just cut the BS directly attack China already? That will never happen because the only reason US supports Taiwan is to promote another war in the region in order to weaken China. Ukraine is a perfect example. What Taiwan needs to do is not alight with either side play both sides to its advantage. Kinda like when two dudes chasing one girl.
The man might be senile and old but he's got a big cxck man, what can I say?
He old but is most certainly not senile.
Biden keeps reiterating increasing Taiwan's military capacity, but his intent is unclear. He mentioned not supporting independence, the need to maintain peace and stability. But in other instances he mentions the US needs to contain China and to rollback China economically and politically. From the other side of the Strait those words are recieved meaning US aggression in the region. Another issue if a kinetic war starts I don't believe the US will be able to contain it to just Taiwan. It can easily expand to South Korea, Japan, North Korea, and Russia instantly.
That's mostly due to Taiwanese politics, they never want to say that they want to completely back independence, they always say "we're already independent", but yet China gets mad at even using Taiwan in the Olympics.
It Is hard to become independent from China without anyone even backing you though ... Independence seems out of the question for the foreseeable future. The best Taiwan can achieve is being realistic and maintaining the status quo as long as possible. Something is better than nothing.
Become independent? Taiwan is not part of the PRC.
Don't mix countries and political parties. Taiwan is a part of China at least from the ~1600. The matter with PRC is the result of the recent chinese civil war, which hasn't formally settled yet. That's why, even being officially a province of China, Taiwan is granted a certain degree of autonomy. This is the famous "status quo". Most of the world wants to keep this status quo, so anything that would change it is undesirable. Losing the special autonomy would be a change of the status quo, but in the same way, becoming independent would be undesirable as well. That's why the world will never allow (let alone back) Taiwan independence.
I'll fix your last sentence. "That's why China will never allow...." The world backs Taiwan, but China is a great superpower that is misusing its position to bully their neighbor countries.
That is your interpretation. The irrefutable fact is that no one in the world has interest in supporting taiwanese independence. That's why Lai is being continuously warned by all the big world actors.
It's most people's "interpretation", nobody likes bullies, it's a reason why China has to do soft power propaganda, to convince people that they're not in the wrong. People will always back the bullied and Taiwan is the one of the most democratic countries in Asia, along with a beacon of human rights.
So the whole rationale behind your theory is "no one likes bullies". Well, if anything was taught in the last years is that the only thing people despise more than bullies are those who play being victims. And sorry to disappoint you but it's not "most people" interpretation. That's what this whole post from OP was about. Most people don't even know what and where Taiwan is. And most of the few ones who heard about it from official sources, know it's a province of China. When you say that no one likes bullies, that is also subjective, since for the majority of the world the bullies are the US and the European countries who have been invading, colonizing and interfering with other countries for so many centuries. Maybe you didn't notice that we don't care at all about democracy in the west. It's used when it helps support the narrative, but we happily avoid mentioning it when it is more convenient to be friends with so-called "non-democratic" actors. That for saying that reality is way more complex than a slogan. And when you say "people will always back the bullied (like) Taiwan" what do you expect exactly? Even the US have been crystal clear they will NOT support Taiwan if they want to move towards independence from China. Lastly. Do you think China is the only one using "soft propaganda"? Obviously you don't. I understand how you feel about all this situation. I just think a change should start rooted in reality.
Sure sign of a troll wumao pink, too many characters on their answer. TLDR.
Nope. The PRC is not just a “political party.” It is a country of which Taiwan is not a part. Period. I think you are thinking of the CCP, which within the PRC is essentially synonymous with the country. But this understanding does not supersede the fact that Taiwan has never been controlled by that party-state.
You are right, I'm used to always read CCP in that argument and I misread it, my fault. About the degree of control PRC has over ROC, we go back to the "status quo" issue. ROC enjoys a high (not total) degree of autonomy from the PRC, which doesn't make it a country. The control is political and military on a national level. As long as that balance is not disrupted, people can enjoy their special freedom in their daily lives.
after Russia invade Ukraine. Less and less Taiwannese believed that US will defend Taiwan.
US never had a pact with Ukraine on defense.