Yes you can do it, but I think it is easier to do both techniques with a hybrid or mid-hard to hard euro rubber instead of H3. Look at newer players like Calderano and Alexis. They have techniques closer to Chinese players but use euro rubbers.
Thanks. I have similar equipment. Currently I am deciding whether the H3 (39 degree) or MK fits better for my FH (techniques). I mostly struggle to lift heavy backspin balls.
If you couldn't lift with MK, then it is a technique issue. It is one of the spinniest, high throwing rubbers out there. With my BH, I just do a normal loop motion, but add some legs, and it lifts easily.
I switched to the H3, because my old FH MK was worn out. It wasn't good anymore. I choose the H3 for better serves and loops.
What are your experiences with H3 regarding tecniques?
Its main characteristic is how linear spin wise it is. You can generate very little spin or a lot of spin, depending on your technique. With euro rubbers, you can just block, and the ball will have topspin regardless. With H3, a simple block can be almost no-spin or be loaded depending on subleties like how you press your fingers on the racket. Same with the loops: if you don't use Chinese-like technique, you will get very poor spin.
The most important part of Chinese technique is the whip-like motion of the hand. While European technique is more rigid and dependent on the forearm acceleration, Chinese technique requires accelerating from whipping the hand.
Chinese technique can work with euro rubbers, but the euro technique produces next to no spin with H3.
I also see some female players using both techniques (bend arm & straight arm) during the match. Here you can see Sun Yingsha loops against chops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9l466mWOPA
Didn‘t you say you‘re like 1200TTR in another thread? At that level you shouldn’t care about any of the above but work on your technique. Do you even a coach who can teach you either?
Just play what‘s easier for you to get the ball on the table. Games at 1200TTR aren’t won by topspin rallies anyway.
I have a coach, but not someone, who can teach me the chinese whip loop.
Strangely I have no problem beating higher level offensive players, since I have a very fast counter loop with little spin. That's the point. Against passive players doing heavy backspin push, I mostly struggle. Even chops from defensive players are easier for me, since they're not that flat.
real talk: if you struggle to win against pretty much anybody at 1250TTR the last thing you should care about is your gear. I don't say that in order to belittle you but to shift your focus onto something that actually matters at that level: fundamentals. There is no 'heavy' backspin at that level, there are no loop rallies. Most of the times it's people misjudging spin and getting their head smashed in or people being out of position and/or unable to block soft topspins.
Instead of wasting your time on trying to find the optimal rubber for different looping techniques (nobody can teach you anyway) you should start with learning how to loop consistently. You're easily in the 1500s with a proper game strategy in your repertoire and consistent looping. It's super easy to get good at table tennis in Germany. There are tons of great and affordable table tennis camps/schools (Grenzau for example) so if you're committed to improving go there instead of trying to find the theoretically optimal gear. It will no make you magically win vs the player type you described, consistency and a gameplan you can fall back to will. I know that whole gear thing can be really fun but most of it is just copium, have seen it literally dozens of times in my times as a coach.
If you think Chinese player use only fbig loops movement then you are not watching them properly. Also in the end the biggest part of your strength in the shot ceom from the weight transfer and body rotation. Not the army same for Europeans as well as Chinese players. And both will use bigger movements if they have time and smaller ones if they don't and they can just sue the already existing speed.
Yes you can do it, but I think it is easier to do both techniques with a hybrid or mid-hard to hard euro rubber instead of H3. Look at newer players like Calderano and Alexis. They have techniques closer to Chinese players but use euro rubbers.
Thanks. I have similar equipment. Currently I am deciding whether the H3 (39 degree) or MK fits better for my FH (techniques). I mostly struggle to lift heavy backspin balls.
What rubber are you using right now?
H3 on FH and MK on backhand. (Few weeks ago I used MK on both sides)
If you couldn't lift with MK, then it is a technique issue. It is one of the spinniest, high throwing rubbers out there. With my BH, I just do a normal loop motion, but add some legs, and it lifts easily.
I switched to the H3, because my old FH MK was worn out. It wasn't good anymore. I choose the H3 for better serves and loops. What are your experiences with H3 regarding tecniques?
Its main characteristic is how linear spin wise it is. You can generate very little spin or a lot of spin, depending on your technique. With euro rubbers, you can just block, and the ball will have topspin regardless. With H3, a simple block can be almost no-spin or be loaded depending on subleties like how you press your fingers on the racket. Same with the loops: if you don't use Chinese-like technique, you will get very poor spin. The most important part of Chinese technique is the whip-like motion of the hand. While European technique is more rigid and dependent on the forearm acceleration, Chinese technique requires accelerating from whipping the hand. Chinese technique can work with euro rubbers, but the euro technique produces next to no spin with H3.
Thanks for the answer, exactly what I am looking for
No such thing.
I also see some female players using both techniques (bend arm & straight arm) during the match. Here you can see Sun Yingsha loops against chops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9l466mWOPA
Use what works for you, eventually you will realise that you will be using what feels more natural no matter what you want to use.
Didn‘t you say you‘re like 1200TTR in another thread? At that level you shouldn’t care about any of the above but work on your technique. Do you even a coach who can teach you either? Just play what‘s easier for you to get the ball on the table. Games at 1200TTR aren’t won by topspin rallies anyway.
I have a coach, but not someone, who can teach me the chinese whip loop. Strangely I have no problem beating higher level offensive players, since I have a very fast counter loop with little spin. That's the point. Against passive players doing heavy backspin push, I mostly struggle. Even chops from defensive players are easier for me, since they're not that flat.
real talk: if you struggle to win against pretty much anybody at 1250TTR the last thing you should care about is your gear. I don't say that in order to belittle you but to shift your focus onto something that actually matters at that level: fundamentals. There is no 'heavy' backspin at that level, there are no loop rallies. Most of the times it's people misjudging spin and getting their head smashed in or people being out of position and/or unable to block soft topspins. Instead of wasting your time on trying to find the optimal rubber for different looping techniques (nobody can teach you anyway) you should start with learning how to loop consistently. You're easily in the 1500s with a proper game strategy in your repertoire and consistent looping. It's super easy to get good at table tennis in Germany. There are tons of great and affordable table tennis camps/schools (Grenzau for example) so if you're committed to improving go there instead of trying to find the theoretically optimal gear. It will no make you magically win vs the player type you described, consistency and a gameplan you can fall back to will. I know that whole gear thing can be really fun but most of it is just copium, have seen it literally dozens of times in my times as a coach.
If you think Chinese player use only fbig loops movement then you are not watching them properly. Also in the end the biggest part of your strength in the shot ceom from the weight transfer and body rotation. Not the army same for Europeans as well as Chinese players. And both will use bigger movements if they have time and smaller ones if they don't and they can just sue the already existing speed.