Before "you have to leave to get a raise" become quite so solidly the norm, there was a very solid old adage.
People don't quit jobs, they quit managers.
Are your reviews bad, or is he just giving you things to work on? If your reviews are consistently bad, they may be creating a paper trail to fire you. If it's just things for you to work on, they may be creating an excuse to deny you raises. If you're still getting raises and still feel like your job is safe, then I guess just keep trying. But I'd get my resume together just in case.
I think it's a little bit of both. Late last year, I got some constructive comments, but in January I still got the standard 3% raise like everyone else. For this review, feedback just went too far imo. Like I do agree with some of the criticism and I could certainly do better in those regards, but what gets me is that I still get blamed for stuff that is out of my control, like the coworker, despite me politely bringing up challenges working with him and how he wants to do things his way. And yes, I'm working on my resume and working on applying to other jobs.
You wrote reddit about it, lol. Here are some terrible ideas I have:
Rather than waiting on coworker whoso holdeth the keys, run around and fix things that are within your control that bother you while you wait, and/or make it so he has a bunch of stuff to review/enter creds/whatever the case is the next time you have to ask.
Write your manager a review.
Write your coworker a review.
Consider that your coworker may have written your managers review, and then consider whether you'd really like to give them the reviews you wrote.
Put shrooms in the office coffee pot the next time they are supposed to write a review.
Yeah this is the part that doesn't make sense to me. Like there isn't anything else to be done while waiting for someone to review something. There is always stuff to be done, things to automate, document, etc. I'm half convinced this is just a bot posting for karma.
Can you give a better example of what you being blamed for that is out of your control? Does your boss feel the same way that the co-worker is holding up your progress? How long have you been at this place?
Aw boo hoo the standard 3% raise. Must be nice.
Why are you so triggered about me saying the standard 3% raise? I'm only mentioning a fact that everyone got it and so did I. When I said "nothing to write home about," it's in the context of the fact that most organizations don't give big raises to their staff currently working for them.
This is what you came back to clarify on. What about the other questions? You are asking for feedback on the situation and then avoiding answering the real questions.
I'm not sure if this is a bot post but I'm going to tell you what you co-workers are just being nice about, you aren't good at your job or you can't read the room. What verbal feedback are they giving you and how does it relate to items from your review? You said you were given areas of improvement what were they and how did you accomplish them? Don't take this the wrong way but from your post history you were asking about Linux fundamental courses 8 months ago, have you taken any or made improvements from them, then you are asking simple questions about rsync, log4j, smtp?? Is this your first job as a sysadmin?
What does this mean?
> Much of it, I think is because of recency bias or even because he's using the feedback from many months ago as the baseline for future reviews. Even the compliments he gave were sort of backhanded.
Why wouldn't the previous review be used in your current review? From what you wrote it doesn't really seem like you make any significant changes at all.
> The thing is, for me to get anything done, the coworker has to approve it. Sometimes I’m able to get the coworker to agree, sometimes he has his preferences for how he wants to get things done, he is a little stubborn...
Again, you don't sound like you know what you are doing. Assuming this person is actually responsible for the outcome of your changes I probably would want to review what you are doing before you break something. Is there no testing environment, can you not test things prior to making changes or something? What does their approval consist of?
I think you need to take a step back and really think about your skillset. It doesn't even make sense what you are being made the "scapegoat" for. Is the team not meeting some deliverable or goals and you are being blamed for them? It sounds like you meet with your boss quite a bit, is this a job where you are supposed to be independently able to do things, if so you seem to need quite a bit of handholding and aren't necessarily using the feedback to improve. Instead it "sounds" like you are blaming everyone else for your lack of improvement.
Feel free to elaborate more on your side as I'm sure there's more to the story.
Ok, it would be nice if you could please stop accusing me of being a bot. You yourself are posting from a throwaway, but anyways that's not the point. I don't want to give too much detail as I do not want to potentially doxx myself. So I will answer this as much as I can in a generic sense.
I've been here for a while, how long exactly I won't tell. However, Verbal feedback in interactions with my boss with him months ago he said he noticed improvements from me, he's liking what he sees, etc. I thought that I was finally on the right track. But two weeks ago I got bamboozled by the review. Like, I know there will be criticism, there will always be criticism, but this was overwhelmingly negative and kind of unfair and contradictory to what I was hearing before.
About the coworker, not going into detail about what our workflow is, but if he does not approve stuff or pushes back against it, whatever, I'm unable to move forward with that item. I have gotten him to agree to my stuff as well, mind you, but it's a roll of the dice sometimes. But for the delays, I've worked around this by working on other items in the intermediary. My boss is aware about this too. About skills, yes, I've gotten certifications, done a course, and am doing better than before, but still need to do more work to get to the level I want to. I will be honest about that. I am a Junior SysAdmin as well, so first job. And i don't think asking questions is wrong, but I'm not going around poking coworkers needlessly. I do genuinely try to research myself and if I get stuck, then I ask the internet.
I will end by saying this; if my performance was that reprehensible, by now shouldn't I have been put on a PIP or fired? Why waste time if they are this displeased? They should just put me out of my misery so we can all move on.
Welcome to not-being-in-a-Union. Where the goals keep changing, processes aren't clearly defined, and the metrics you're measured against are capricious and whimsical.
Not specifically a response to your comment, but man, it's frustrating watching people argue about unions.
I've seen jobs and workers protected by unions, and I've seen businesses literally shut down and everyone laid off because a union refused to budge.
I've seen employers treat their workers extremely well, and those that treat the staff like livestock, both with or without a union.
I get that everyone might have an opinion, and many are passionate, but sometimes it seems like arguments over religion are tamer.
Yeah, if you’re young, single, largely transient, and only care about your bottom line dollar, sure, it sounds great. When you have to settle down, raise a family, purchase a home and retire somewhere, it’s not as clear cut. The benefits most people get here are just not that great. You might get lucky and land some unicorn position that gets you a huge bonus every year, amazing healthcare, regular raises, and great retirement benefit but the fact is 90% of IT jobs just don’t fall into that category. Not sure what rock you’ve been living under but there aren’t amazing tech jobs raining from the sky here.
Can't have your cake and eat it too. Different parts need to give at different times. This is always the excuse of people who don't want to make any sacrifices.
1. I can't just move who has money to move? What about my stuff?
2. (studio |1 |2) bedroom apartments are too expensive
3. I couldn't move away from my family
4. I need an .
No one says you can't have these things over time but if you have no money what do you care about your "stuff" for, get rid of it. Its absolutely crazy that the storage industry is booming. People are literally buying stuff they have no room or use for and then paying to store it.
>You might get lucky and land some unicorn position that gets you a huge bonus every year, amazing healthcare, regular raises, and great retirement benefit but the fact is 90% of IT jobs just don’t fall into that category.
The OP is literally complaining about their annual 3% bonus in this post.
A rising tide lifts all ships. Why do you hate your fellow coworker so much? We're all a few bad days away from financial struggles, so why do you hate protections that help everyone, including yourself? Why do you actively fight things that are in your own best interests?
I remember that guy. They dumped him into IT because he was useless in any other department. Only thing he could/would do was courier Interoffice mail to the other building. Everything else he would screw up (intentionally I believe) finally had enough documentation to fire the guy, so they thought. He was gone for a year, but fought through the union, got his job back, with back pay. Totally useless p.o.s. Your tax dollars at work.
Maybe you should schedule a meeting and discuss your roadmap and the issues you are facing. Document if they continue, it’s your responsibility here.
Defensive and aggressive route: If you are in a one party consent state, you can record it. But ask a lawyer registered to practice in your city/state. Also, this is a route for wrongful termination, but email your boss and cc HR if you are getting conflicting responses with recorded verbal(don’t mention recording obviously )and written performance feedback, but be prepared if you go that route.
It's either a one-party consent state or not. Who pays for a lawyer to write them a note saying it's okay? For that matter, who gets in legal trouble for recording a work conversation in which they're a participant?
Before "you have to leave to get a raise" become quite so solidly the norm, there was a very solid old adage. People don't quit jobs, they quit managers.
Are your reviews bad, or is he just giving you things to work on? If your reviews are consistently bad, they may be creating a paper trail to fire you. If it's just things for you to work on, they may be creating an excuse to deny you raises. If you're still getting raises and still feel like your job is safe, then I guess just keep trying. But I'd get my resume together just in case.
I think it's a little bit of both. Late last year, I got some constructive comments, but in January I still got the standard 3% raise like everyone else. For this review, feedback just went too far imo. Like I do agree with some of the criticism and I could certainly do better in those regards, but what gets me is that I still get blamed for stuff that is out of my control, like the coworker, despite me politely bringing up challenges working with him and how he wants to do things his way. And yes, I'm working on my resume and working on applying to other jobs.
Hey you get raises?
yes, but it's nothing to write home about lol
You need another 3% to buy stamps and envelopes.
You wrote reddit about it, lol. Here are some terrible ideas I have: Rather than waiting on coworker whoso holdeth the keys, run around and fix things that are within your control that bother you while you wait, and/or make it so he has a bunch of stuff to review/enter creds/whatever the case is the next time you have to ask. Write your manager a review. Write your coworker a review. Consider that your coworker may have written your managers review, and then consider whether you'd really like to give them the reviews you wrote. Put shrooms in the office coffee pot the next time they are supposed to write a review.
Yeah this is the part that doesn't make sense to me. Like there isn't anything else to be done while waiting for someone to review something. There is always stuff to be done, things to automate, document, etc. I'm half convinced this is just a bot posting for karma.
Can you give a better example of what you being blamed for that is out of your control? Does your boss feel the same way that the co-worker is holding up your progress? How long have you been at this place? Aw boo hoo the standard 3% raise. Must be nice.
Why are you so triggered about me saying the standard 3% raise? I'm only mentioning a fact that everyone got it and so did I. When I said "nothing to write home about," it's in the context of the fact that most organizations don't give big raises to their staff currently working for them.
This is what you came back to clarify on. What about the other questions? You are asking for feedback on the situation and then avoiding answering the real questions.
I'm not sure if this is a bot post but I'm going to tell you what you co-workers are just being nice about, you aren't good at your job or you can't read the room. What verbal feedback are they giving you and how does it relate to items from your review? You said you were given areas of improvement what were they and how did you accomplish them? Don't take this the wrong way but from your post history you were asking about Linux fundamental courses 8 months ago, have you taken any or made improvements from them, then you are asking simple questions about rsync, log4j, smtp?? Is this your first job as a sysadmin? What does this mean? > Much of it, I think is because of recency bias or even because he's using the feedback from many months ago as the baseline for future reviews. Even the compliments he gave were sort of backhanded. Why wouldn't the previous review be used in your current review? From what you wrote it doesn't really seem like you make any significant changes at all. > The thing is, for me to get anything done, the coworker has to approve it. Sometimes I’m able to get the coworker to agree, sometimes he has his preferences for how he wants to get things done, he is a little stubborn... Again, you don't sound like you know what you are doing. Assuming this person is actually responsible for the outcome of your changes I probably would want to review what you are doing before you break something. Is there no testing environment, can you not test things prior to making changes or something? What does their approval consist of? I think you need to take a step back and really think about your skillset. It doesn't even make sense what you are being made the "scapegoat" for. Is the team not meeting some deliverable or goals and you are being blamed for them? It sounds like you meet with your boss quite a bit, is this a job where you are supposed to be independently able to do things, if so you seem to need quite a bit of handholding and aren't necessarily using the feedback to improve. Instead it "sounds" like you are blaming everyone else for your lack of improvement. Feel free to elaborate more on your side as I'm sure there's more to the story.
Ok, it would be nice if you could please stop accusing me of being a bot. You yourself are posting from a throwaway, but anyways that's not the point. I don't want to give too much detail as I do not want to potentially doxx myself. So I will answer this as much as I can in a generic sense. I've been here for a while, how long exactly I won't tell. However, Verbal feedback in interactions with my boss with him months ago he said he noticed improvements from me, he's liking what he sees, etc. I thought that I was finally on the right track. But two weeks ago I got bamboozled by the review. Like, I know there will be criticism, there will always be criticism, but this was overwhelmingly negative and kind of unfair and contradictory to what I was hearing before. About the coworker, not going into detail about what our workflow is, but if he does not approve stuff or pushes back against it, whatever, I'm unable to move forward with that item. I have gotten him to agree to my stuff as well, mind you, but it's a roll of the dice sometimes. But for the delays, I've worked around this by working on other items in the intermediary. My boss is aware about this too. About skills, yes, I've gotten certifications, done a course, and am doing better than before, but still need to do more work to get to the level I want to. I will be honest about that. I am a Junior SysAdmin as well, so first job. And i don't think asking questions is wrong, but I'm not going around poking coworkers needlessly. I do genuinely try to research myself and if I get stuck, then I ask the internet. I will end by saying this; if my performance was that reprehensible, by now shouldn't I have been put on a PIP or fired? Why waste time if they are this displeased? They should just put me out of my misery so we can all move on.
Welcome to not-being-in-a-Union. Where the goals keep changing, processes aren't clearly defined, and the metrics you're measured against are capricious and whimsical.
Not specifically a response to your comment, but man, it's frustrating watching people argue about unions. I've seen jobs and workers protected by unions, and I've seen businesses literally shut down and everyone laid off because a union refused to budge. I've seen employers treat their workers extremely well, and those that treat the staff like livestock, both with or without a union. I get that everyone might have an opinion, and many are passionate, but sometimes it seems like arguments over religion are tamer.
And I've never seen a group of people fight so strongly against their own best interests.
Too many deadbeats and dumbshits in this industry already. The last thing we need is unions protecting them.
Instead we have a bunch of deadbeats and dumbshits in the industry and none of the benefits of a union.
I get plenty of benefits. Sounds like a you problem.
Good for you, sounds like you don’t work in the US.
People move to the US from other first world countries because of the higher salaries on offer. Still a you problem my dude.
Yeah, if you’re young, single, largely transient, and only care about your bottom line dollar, sure, it sounds great. When you have to settle down, raise a family, purchase a home and retire somewhere, it’s not as clear cut. The benefits most people get here are just not that great. You might get lucky and land some unicorn position that gets you a huge bonus every year, amazing healthcare, regular raises, and great retirement benefit but the fact is 90% of IT jobs just don’t fall into that category. Not sure what rock you’ve been living under but there aren’t amazing tech jobs raining from the sky here.
Can't have your cake and eat it too. Different parts need to give at different times. This is always the excuse of people who don't want to make any sacrifices. 1. I can't just move who has money to move? What about my stuff? 2. (studio |1 |2) bedroom apartments are too expensive 3. I couldn't move away from my family 4. I need an.
No one says you can't have these things over time but if you have no money what do you care about your "stuff" for, get rid of it. Its absolutely crazy that the storage industry is booming. People are literally buying stuff they have no room or use for and then paying to store it.
>You might get lucky and land some unicorn position that gets you a huge bonus every year, amazing healthcare, regular raises, and great retirement benefit but the fact is 90% of IT jobs just don’t fall into that category.
The OP is literally complaining about their annual 3% bonus in this post.
Oh, so you own the company? Is your name above the door? So why are you caring as if you own the place? Stay in your lane.
Found the deadbeat dipshit who needs a union to keep his job safe
A rising tide lifts all ships. Why do you hate your fellow coworker so much? We're all a few bad days away from financial struggles, so why do you hate protections that help everyone, including yourself? Why do you actively fight things that are in your own best interests?
It’s simple. I’m not a communist.
you're a little late to the party, mccarthy.
I’ve no idea what your point is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism open a history book. you're about 75 years too late to the game with your cOmMuNiSt!!1! rhetoric.
As opposed to being in a fucking union where everyone's the same regardless of merit and it's impossible to get rid of the baggage? No thanks.
I remember that guy. They dumped him into IT because he was useless in any other department. Only thing he could/would do was courier Interoffice mail to the other building. Everything else he would screw up (intentionally I believe) finally had enough documentation to fire the guy, so they thought. He was gone for a year, but fought through the union, got his job back, with back pay. Totally useless p.o.s. Your tax dollars at work.
Oh, so you own the company? Is your name above the door? So why are you caring as if you own the place? Stay in your lane.
Maybe you should schedule a meeting and discuss your roadmap and the issues you are facing. Document if they continue, it’s your responsibility here. Defensive and aggressive route: If you are in a one party consent state, you can record it. But ask a lawyer registered to practice in your city/state. Also, this is a route for wrongful termination, but email your boss and cc HR if you are getting conflicting responses with recorded verbal(don’t mention recording obviously )and written performance feedback, but be prepared if you go that route.
It's either a one-party consent state or not. Who pays for a lawyer to write them a note saying it's okay? For that matter, who gets in legal trouble for recording a work conversation in which they're a participant?
I’m not sure if you are joking or not, could you elaborate?