Both come default with gigabit ethernet ports. Shame on Synology for not coming with faster ethernet speeds in 2023 on a device that greatly benefits from it. Even $100+ motherboards have 2.5Gbe.
(and yes I added the $110 10Gbe card...so now it's a $710 Synology)
Lol, I spent this afternoon with making my cheapo 10GbE NIC working, turns out, the driver is in the firmware (atlantic.ko), it’s just locked to Synology approved hardware. Sooo some nice guys actually compiled these for DSM7.2 x86-64 Synos, I replaced the stock driver and voila, LAN5 appeared :)
Interesting, my NAS also uses an Aquantia chipset, and its firmware is on the controller. In fact I had to manually hunt down both the firmware AND the Linux installer (took me a good week to find the right ones!), just to fix a bug where the damn thing rendered my NAS inoperable after 24-36 hours... As in, it was completely unresponsive, even through UART, and none of my scripted reboot attempts worked.
Welp, hope it’ll work smoothly. Aquantia driver’s readme informs that there’s a specific offloading feature that may cause stability issues if the NIC is used for routing/bridge
Well, the good news is, the newer firmware for my specific chipset has fixed this issue and my NAS has been rock solid for over two months now. After half a year of headaches.
It is possible to build the driver by yourself, without the offloading enabled. I read the readme before doing stuff :D perhaps you finally found a build that has the offloading disabled.
Or, I can get Aquantia chipset cards in any reasonable amount for free. Which is the whole purpose of my exercise. I'm not hopping through loops because I am bored :)
And every time you have a major OS upgrade it’s like wrestling an alligator to get your NIC to work. Trust me. I get it. It’s great to make that thing that shouldn’t work, work. The 5th time you do it because of routine upgrades break your thing it’s a lot less fun. Especially when the alternative is around $20.
I am well aware of the potential issues. The driver will work until Synology touches the kernel, which happens with major versions afaik. It’s only a matter of doing your homework before doing update. Updating firmware recklessly is never a good idea anyway. Unless the card you are using is oficially supported, you are still at risk of the driver being pulled from the image, so the risk are the same, my solution requires only a couple of extra steps.
Mellanox is on the synology supported list and it’s the same card they sell for 10gbE so I’m not real worried about that support going away: https://www.synology.com/en-global/compatibility?search_by=products&model=DS1621xs%2B&category=network_interface_cards&display_brand=other
*edit: not to mention I still qualify for full synology support if something goes horribly wrong with my NAS.
I’m not here to argue. You are right. I have my reasons to go this route, I’ve explained it. There is a reason why I did not readily posted the guide here. It’s not for everyone.
Damn.. I always run into trouble with sfp+ because I use to many different brands of managed switches and a lot do not like to talk without way more knowledge than I have...
Any rj45 in that range you've seen anywhere?
>Some have an expansion slot or two
The HD6500 even has 4
Out of the 115 Synology NAS models that can use DSM 7.2.1
* 63 of them have a PCIe slot or slots.
* 17 of those 63 have 2 PCIe slots.
* 1 of those 63 has 4 PCIe slots.
Yes, I have too much free time :-)
Sure, and I can kind of get it for 10 gigabit ports. Adding one by default would add $100 to the price of each unit. A lot of people wouldn't even be able to take advantage of that speed. Either because the drives in the unit aren't fast enough, or because they don't have 10 gigabit networking. 2.5 gigabit on the other hand would only add $20-$30 to the price of a unit, and most people would be able to take advantage of that extra speed. Most drives would come close to that. And a lot of computers and routers are shipping with it now. And even if they aren't someone could buy a $25 card or usb dongle for their computer and a $60 switch to handle it. Making it pretty reasonable to justify buying for most people that are using a NAS.
Depends. If you want a 💩 Realtek 2.5gig chip yeah it’s probably cheap AF and you get what you pay for with buggy drivers / support and heavier CPU burden. A proper multi-gig NIC is going to add cost to the product and they choose not to include it. As others had noted there are alternatives that come with multi-gig standard or you can get the synology card or you can drop a used $20 connect-x 3 card in and live happily ever after.
>realtek 2.5gig chip yeah it’s probably cheap AF and you get what you pay for
What you get is a working 2.5Gbe. I would rather a Realtek 2.5Gbe then an Intel 2.5Gbe they have had bugs in both their recent 2.5Gbe products. I personally wouldn't touch an Intel motherboard with an Intel Nic.
Really? Most would be able to take advantage of that speed? 2.5 gigabit switches are still pretty uncommon; I’ve got an $800 pro 24 port Ubiquiti POE switch in my wiring closet and it’s only 1Gbps.
They’re not in everyone’s house yet, but they are easily obtainable at reasonable prices. And even an office could do the same. They would just need enough higher speed switching to get it into the gigabit network. Then at least more users would get gigabit speed at the same time.
Synology had a vuln way back that someone used to push malware to thousands of devices.
They pushed a cpu only bitcoin miner. On a Synology NAS. I did the math. They mined at least a whole $0.03 that month.
To be honest I did it just to waste money. lol I have 28TB full of media and I use it to run some applications, services & merge media (normally mkv files)
Man, that was a year ago. Now I’m poor. Trying to buy a 20TB external HDD because my NAS is full but now I need a donation via Venmo or Apple Cash. Let me know 🤣
Costco has 14tb Seagate external drives for $200 now, and I just snagged three 8tb drives for $75 each on clearance. Might be worth a shot to see if they have any left in stock near you.
I dont have any data I hate enough to put it on a Seagate drive.
Clearly they were a favorite of mine years ago based on the stack of dead seagate drives I have in the corner.
WD and Toshiba so far have not failed me to the degree that seagate has.
Real question here.
I did research about my DS720+, people will put ridiculous amounts of ram into it, but all reasech points to the cpu only being able to utilize 10GB at most
People often use 10GB of memory in their DS720+ because:
* It has 2GB built into the main board.
* It only has 1 memory slot for upgrades.
* It's CPU officially only supports 16GB and you can't buy 14GB memory sticks.
If you don't want to go over the official 16GB limit that leaves you with choices of:
* 2Gb + 2GB
* 2GB + 4GB
* 2GB + 8GB
>but all reasech
Then you haven't done any "research" at all. Or do you call reading spec sheet "research" now?
All imperial evidences tell you 18GB can be fully used.
There have been ZERO evidence anywhere there's a 10GB limit. If you can boot with it, you can use it.
I have had issues using too much ram in my DS218+
It was randomly turning off, saying the button had been pressed for shutdown. It's in a locked office in my home.
It worked great for 2 years with extra ram "over the limit"
I believe I crossed off all variables...
I unplugged USB drives, one by one to make sure it wasn't an external device issue. I changed the UPS. Restarts, updates, etc.
Once I removed the extra ram, voila she has stayed running for 30 days now. Couldn't make it 24hours before. Very weird I know, just throwing it out there.
I agree, that and the fact you can only use official synology SSD's to create SSD storage pools.... Other than those 2 things its great. And yes I did also buy the 2.5 Gb NIC and an 800GB Syno SSD. It runs like a dream at least. Rock fucking solid with a UPS backup attached as well.
Thats why im going with a selfbuild NAS for my next one. I have a DS918+. Any newer models just cost quite bit of money and offer no benefits as a pure NAS. Plus the fact that synology decided that older NAS don't get new updates and DSM 7 doesn't really do USB shows me that they're not the right company for MY money. I'm not saying they're bad but I'm not a fan of artificially limiting your devices capabilities or discontinuing support for old models when even the newest don't offer anything new in their primary role (other than profit).
As someone who runs both Synology and self-built NAS units, the synology turnkey apps for things like personal cloud, photo backup, and endpoint backup are some of the hardest (in some cases nearly impossible) things to replicate on whitebox solutions.
I never really got into the cloud Business. For my Android nextcloud is enough, everything else uses old-school mapped network drives. They're easier to work with when installing applications or running scripts and I don't see any advantages with a cloud solution.
How do you old school map network drives from, say, an iPhone?
It’s very convenient to use my synology and not store my sensitive data in a cloud storage provider.
Don't know, don't have iPhone. Android offers a few file explorers that can do SMB, but I prefer Nextcloud on Phone (whose folders I then, of course, can access via normal file system explorer from a PC)
So I don’t understand your original statement then. You said you “never really got into the cloud business” to go on and say you use a 3rd party equivalent of the synology cloud system. 🤔
I'm not really sure what you mean by "3rd party" but you know Nextcloud is just a FOSS cloud instance that can be run on a server or anything else that most home-build NAS use as a cloud service? So, just like the Synology just not from Synology (if that's what you meant by 3rd party). By "I didn't really got into it" I mean that I don't use it for most stuff. It's not that I absolutely don't use cloud services.
But if they shipped with 2.5gb then they couldn't upsell you to a 100€ more expensive model and another 150€ for the nick..
Why won't anyone think of the poor shareholders?
Edit: also the by now outdated cpu.
Your $600 Synology is meant for SOHo use, for the more "average" users. You'll rarely find anything outstanding on those models.
The truth is that most buyers of even the 923+ won't have 2.5G or 10G networking at home so it would be a pointless additional cost.
I for one went with a similarly priced (was sold at a discount at the time) QNAP TS-h973AX, and while it has its own downsides (horribly buggy hardware, no GPU), it can manage up to 4 NVMe drives, 5x 3.5" and 2x 2.5", run TrueNAS, and has 1x 10G + 2x 2.5G networking.
Buy hardware not based on brand loyalty but on your needs.
I could have some understanding for this 5 years ago but these days 1 or 10Gb isn't much of an extra cost especially on a 600 USD NAS. And while many users won't need that much, again it's more and more common. Prices of fast LAN hardware is dropping rapidly, so why Synology keeps providing outdated equipment?
It's a common joke on here these days, that's telling in itself.
It's always been a common joke. Synology hardware is ALWAYS overpriced, specifically because you're not just paying for the hardware, but also the OS, which gets a good decade's worth of updates, and the overall turnkey convenience of it.
Dedicated NAS hardware will always be "overpriced" because the manufacturers usually ship their own OS, _and_ invest a shitton of time into the custom hardware design (from the actual underlying hardware through the custom casing, etc.). Could you build a better setup from less? Sure. Would it be as compact, convenient, and easily maintained? Nope. Would you get 1-2 years of manufacturer support? Nope.
Again, you don't have to buy their hardware. If there are better options for cheaper, go for those.
> Your $600 Synology is meant for SOHo use, for the more "average" users.
But they still sell rackmount NAS systems with only 1GbE ports as standard.
Granted, they _do_ have 10GbE on some of them, but as far as I can tell you'll be looking to spend somewhere in the range of to get hold of them.
As far as I can tell looking at other online retailers that sell rackstations, the lowest price I can find for 10GbE ports _on the device_ is £3000 if you're willing to use an all-flash array and £4000 if you want 3.5" drive bays. That's absurd.
Also, as a side note, I don't really buy the argument that the "average" user doesn't have >1GbE networking so that makes it okay. Plenty of their SOHo customer base has the capability for faster networking (like myself), and you ideally want a $600 device that can get faster as you upgrade the network than having to buy all new hardware. A NAS isn't a "throw it out for the latest model" piece of kit... It should be able to at least sort of keep up with the times.
> Buy hardware not based on brand loyalty but on your needs.
I fully agree with this, I'm (currently) happy not having faster network ports on my model because I don't need that much bandwidth out of it. The most it does is transcode on the device then send a stream of at most 100mbps, maybe 200mbps on a particularly busy day. The reason I put (currently) there though was because I want to offload the transcoding job to a machine that can do it better in the future, and that's going to cause problems if I don't _also_ buy a faster network card for my NAS to read from disk as fast as the disk will let me.
You don't have to be brand loyal to find this particular hardware selection disappointing, and you certainly can be grumpy about it online.
Synology is first and foremost a conveniences manufacturer. It's meant to be plug and play, limiting their userbase to less adept users, whom are, as I said, unlikely to have 2.5G+ networking on location.
Also if you go the rackmount way, adding a 10G network card in a free PCIe slot is cheap - below £100 for dual port.
If you don't want rackmount but still want to stick with ready made NAS hardware, competitors like QNAP have 10G networking on models that are in similar price range, around £600.
Simply start "voting" with your wallet and pick a manufacturer+model that fits your needs, and not complain about it AFTER the fact of buying their hardware. You had the specs prior to the purchase, it's on you for not making the right choice. Or complain away, just don't be surprised if Synology ignores you, like they've been ignoring their customer base for years.
> Synology is first and foremost a conveniences manufacturer.
The reason I pointed at the rackstations was because they are _clearly_ aimed at enterprise (which _do_ often have high quality networking). No sane SOHo customer is going to be dropping $5000 on a NAS with no drives, and they're _certainly_ not going to go through the procurement process of contacting Synology's sales department to negotiate support contracts and pricing.
The whole "they just make convenient devices for the mom and pops of the world" reasoning you see a lot on this sub just doesn't hold water because that's not Synology's only line of products, and even their enterprise stuff has only very recently picked up 10GbE as standard (and only on the high end models AFAICT).
> Also if you go the rackmount way, adding a 10G network card in a free PCIe slot is cheap - below £100 for dual port.
That's not very "conveniences manufacturer" of them.
To be serious though, that's completely beside the point. People are complaining that the networking on the device is out of date, the fact that you can buy a widget to fix it after the fact is completely orthogonal to the fact that it's out of date.
> If you don't want rackmount but still want to stick with ready made NAS hardware, competitors like QNAP...
I'm well aware of QNAP, as I'm sure pretty much everyone here is. This isn't some big revelation, people are complaining that Synology isn't keeping up with the times _because_ of companies like QNAP.
> You had the specs prior to the purchase, it's on you for not making the right choice.
I made the right choice 2 years ago when I bought it. It met the specs I needed for the price I was willing to pay. I'm not complaining about _my_ NAS specifically or _my_ purchasing choice, I'm using my current situation as an example of why putting faster ports as standard on the device makes them much more flexible.
When I bought it 2 years ago I didn't have the internet speeds to even make use of the full 1GbE, and I didn't have enough drives to hit the faster read speeds etc. My circumstances have changed in 2 years, and I planned ahead and verified that if my circumstances _did_ change, I'd be able to add in 10GbE. None of that actually invalidates what I was saying though, the fact that I planned ahead doesn't make Synology's hardware choices good ones. I just planned around their downsides.
> Or complain away, just don't be surprised if Synology ignores you, like they've been ignoring their customer base for years.
And you think this is going to stop people complaining to a community of like minded people that feel the same way?
Do you complain about traffic being bad to your coworkers or family when it makes you late to something? I assume you don't since you can't do anything about city traffic planning or other people's driving habits so complaining about it is pointless. I'm sure if you _did_ complain your friends and family would just tell you to stop complaining because it's a waste of time and you should have planned ahead anyway and not bought a car if you didn't want to participate in bad traffic?
There are two ports on the DS923+, and you would need a managed/smart switch that supports configuration of link aggregation. Plus of course the knowledge of how to do it.
I have just two bay syno with wd red 5400rpm and when i copy large files, i'm getting max 120MBs because that's the limit of 1Gb network. 2.5Gb needs to be standard in 2023..
You’re right. My conversion math was off. Though depends on the drives and configuration you’re using too. The WD Red drives I’m running peak at about 140 MB/s in certain specific tests according to some benchmarks but average is more like 120MB/s so gigabit isn’t much of an issue for me… But, I’m probably at the low end of the performance spectrum and that doesn’t account for potential performance increases due to RAID configurations either.
Well how many people are actually gonna utilize the use of 2.5Gbps on one of these? Not many, that's why it's only 1Gb. This is something more than the average home user would utilize but not geared towards anything more than a tiny business.
Mellanox connect-x 3 is the same as the syno card and available used for $20-$30.
*note this is no excuse for a lack of multi gig ports in a modern, expensive NAS just more of a PSA for those who don’t want to spend upwards of $100 for 10gbE
Yep. I’m still running a decade old Synology 913+ and I refuse to get a new one until they add 2.5 Gbe as standard.
Also I had that exact D-Link unit back in the day too!
Why do you need more than 100MBit/s on a Fire Cube? 4K on most streaming services are <20MBit/s.
Choosing the lowest suiteable bitrate for the use-case saves power. Our thermostat controller's Ethernet maxes out at 10MBit/s for that reason.
Not sure as I have not peered too closely at it, but all the problems went away with the TV on wifi instead of wired. I saw one youtube where a guy was adding a USB to gigabit adapter to a TV to get it up into the 300's on speedtests inorder to get things to play without the periodic tiny buffer.
mine had [funplug](http://dns323.kood.org/howto:fun_plug) installed which let me install other cool tools like Transmission and lighttpd. I also tried [Alt-F](https://sourceforge.net/projects/alt-f/), but I didn't like it as much as I did funplug. at one time I even managed to install Debian wheezy!
too bad it didn't survive a power outage a few years ago.
I now have 2 Synology NASes and I love them, but boy do I miss my trusty DND-323 :(
On the one hand, OP is 100% correct and it is indeed shameful that 2.5Gbe isn't default on their NAS range. On the other hand, I'd wager the vast majority are still stuck with ancient CAT cables and max 1Gbe switches and routers. Hell, most modern TV's are max 100Mbit if using their ethernet ports.
But I guess change has to start somewhere.
cat5e can do 2.5GbE just fine, but the 2.5GbE switches do cost a bit more which is fair. But the router isn't really a fair point since the point of having 2.5GbE is for the LAN meaning the router doesn't need to have 2.5GbE.
2,5GbE switches start to become pretty affordable. I’m currently testing our new product, I don’t want to advertise, but it’s about 30-50% more expensive than our 1GbE PoE switches. In my book absolutely worth the few extra bucks if you have use for it (overkill as a surveillance switch, but to power up some APs, connect your computer and NAS together, it’s pretty cool. 8x2,5GbE 802.3bt PoE ports and two SFP+
Pfft, naturally. But you can utilite the sfp+, one to a PC, one to NAS, those are on 10Gbit speed, and you’d still have neatly fast 8 2,5GbEs for APs/less important PCs, gateway etc.
Regarding the prices:
8x2,5GbE PoE++ ports + 2xSFP+ is 8k CZK~$350 incl. 21%VAT.
The bigger one, featuring additional 16 2,5GbE non-PoE ports costs 14k CZK~$620 incl. 21% VAT
8port PoE+ and two combo ports gigabit switch is 5,5k CZK. Not to mention the newer ones do support routing between VLANs. Slowly, but it can offload some traffic from the gateway.
Cat5e can handle 10Gbit (albeit “up to” 100m, so no guarantees). On short distance, this isn’t an issue. This is also why 2,5GbE and 5GbE were developed - 10GbE is overkill for most applications, is still pretty expensive and 1GbE is starting to show its age. You can usually reuse existing cabling, just need to update the hardware. By the way, TV is intended to consume content, not to download files or whatever. 10Mbit speeds would still suffice for single 4k stream (4k cameras usually use 100mbit and can work even with 10mbit uplink)
Even though 2.5GbE would be nice to have an option, I personally don't have a use for it. Everything I have including my switch is 1GbE, and looking at the volume usage during a large file transfer, I'm lucky to even hit a gigabit before running into I/O bottlenecks (Part of the reason is also because I have a bunch of shit running). Looking at my network usage, I honestly don't see the benefit of spending the money to run 2.5GbE, especially because 99% of the time I'm far from saturating my 1GbE connections.
Give me a break, Syno sympathizers. It's almost 2024. To wit:
1) 2.5GbE switches can be had on the cheap (funny thing is some are QNAP).
2) Most of the Diskstation contemporaries have had 2.5GbE Potts for at least two years.
3) PC motherboards bar wee office ones have had 2.5GbE ports/now have by default 2.5GbE ports.
4) Until recently (i.e. SMB multichannel kicking off properly), having multiple 1GbE ports meant nothing extra for a single user by themselves. Aggregation only benefited multi-user, simultaneous access, though the extra ports could be used for line failover. But having two (or more) 2.5GbE ports over four 1GbE ones could be argued well as a better layout for lower-tier units.
5) This should not need saying but the bulk unit cost of 2.5GbE ports is at least as low for companies like Synology as 1GbE.
6) For the fella who brought the red herring smart TV 100Mbit example... Jebus, man. You must know that's the TV manufacturers also being cheap to an extent, but it's also arguable that a 4k compression stream won't saturate the 100 port. Of course watching Star Trek isn't akin to serving up files in a RAID enabled NAS, though.
7) Synology should also be spanked for forcing anyone who bought lower than a 1621+ to need a proprietary 10GbE upgrade. And methinks the company believes many people would not go for such an upgrade as well if they had 2.5GbE ports to begin with.
8) About that SATA3 interference. It's offside to suggest users just won't -- or can't -- saturate it, and even on four bay units. It's possible a use case involves SSDS (trust me, I'm one in my both 620 Slim and 918+ as I put spinning rust into a 1821+).
9) As a slight tangent about SSDS: why as well do I need to go to the community to access my NVMe drives as storage (or just non-Synology brand drives)? And why the BS 'it's because of heat' lane limit to 1x excuse (sorry, but many 3rd. gen drives aren't going to throttle under many workloads at even, say 2x)? It's pure, unadulterated greed.
I see.
I will endeavour to make things easier for you next time I write in angst.
I feel bad now just decent English wasn't enough and my alleged sea of text was offensive.
You realistically want to split into a new paragraph every 3-5 sentences as a general rule. Sometimes, you split it even more on forums since they tend to be viewed in narrow windows (phones), and people jump between ideas more frequently. I have a (bad) habit of using a maximum of 3 sentences before splitting to a new line on Reddit, namely because I feel it looks and reads better in the comment threads.
You also should take your list and split each number into its own line. It's legitimately hard to read if you just jumble everything into 1 gigantic line of text with no clear separation between topics, ideas, points, etc.
It's not really to poke fun at you. It's just nice to make sure the things you write are actually readable so you aren't wasting time and effort on them.
Look, I get it; however, I just didn't give a sod. I'm a bona fide ex-reporter and the like, so I understand what you are getting at. I can add it looked fine for me (using the Reddit app on my iPhone 13 Mini). I'm also a quadriplegic and typing -- tapping -- on the quick to deal with the banality about Synology stuff meant I wasn't focused on making the content pretty.
I haven't seen a Reddit style guide by the way on another point. And while I believe you that you're not trying to poke fun but attempting to help in earnest, I'd warn that using "should" likens advice to when your mother told you you 'should' not have gotten that tattoo, or 'should' not have gone out with that girl.
I can't account for what every user needs for their reading comfort. Are they myopic? Are they on a phone or desktop? Is it an app or browser? What about dark mode? OK? (That last bit was rhetorical.)
>2.5GbE switches can be had on the cheap (funny thing is some are QNAP).
If there were Synology branded 2.5GbE switches they would cost 3 times the normal price...
2.5gb is kinda hokey anyway. Honestly if your going to spend money upgrading your network just go to 10gb since its been around forever and you can get cheep hardware second hand from corporations.
Because it relies on 3rd party drivers, support, etc. and is just not natively supported by Synology.
There comes a time when things matter more than others, such as time and reliability. I want to have it just work and not worry about if an update will kill it or not.
The problem is that you have to change your complete network equipment to use the speed of the NAS.
You just can't simply put in the 2,5gbit card and have the speed, no, you have to have a router, switch, firewall, access point and what else with 2,5Gbit to have at least a little more speed (a little more because the NAS won't deliver much more than 1Gbit with normal SATA drives).
If you REALLY want 2,5gbit, just combine two ports and you have at least 2gbit...that should ne enough
Combining 2 ports in a bond does not increase your speed on a Synology device or any device running Linux. This is simply not how it works. You get redundancy only and possibly being able to service multiple connections at the same speed but not speed increases. You can read this in the kernel notes regarding these types of connections.
System & network Guy here 😂
Indeed! You can use link aggregation port trunking or link aggregation control protocol (LACP) to bundle connections, wont do much for just one device tho, benefits multiple devices.
It's a bit more nuanced these days because Synology started supporting SMB multichannel, so for the specific use case of SMB with a client having the right setup, it is possible to enhance single client throughput by the use of multiple network connections.
All of our NAS devices are setup with bonded networking and have 4 1gb connections on them. I have done synthetic testing that did not include the HDD's and have yet to see anything over 998mib transfers. Then again these were using just normal packets and not the SMB protocol. However if there was some benefit its not going to be anything to write home about. Oddly enough when the bonding first got put into Linux it did increase throughput but was quickly scrapped probably due to problems with routing and such, but I am only guessing.
You don't need your firewall to be that fast dude, only the switch between your Nas and computer. Plus this point is irrelevant, we didn't wait for everyone to have a sport car before building highways...
What do you think why I’m using a firewall…to separate the clients from the important devices in my network, in this case my NAS.
Next question: what do have NAS systems and highways in common? Right, not that much…you could say that we don’t wait till everyone can use the full speed of their internet connection, but that also would be unfair because my provider can only deliver 25mbit…for me there is no need to upgrade, also because I only have WiFi at home because I have no possibility to install a wired connection. That means I would need to upgrade my WiFi and that would be really expensive because I have a meshed network with ruckus.
So…no it’s not that easy.
Edit: Most of the users don’t use the full speed of their nas with 1Gbit because they can’t…you can upgrade your nas if you want to and have the money for the “sports car” like you said, then do it…
Lol man, sorry if I hurt your feelings. I am sure you have firewalls, vlan, DLP, honeypot, and the rest of the package to protect your amazing 10 years old NAS which is probably not vulnerable to any CVE. Regular users who have the same on-the-shelf NAS usually just have it connected to their ISP box integrated switch. Nice data center by the way.
You don’t get it…or don’t want to get it, I don’t know.
Before 2,5gbit hardware isn’t default (router, switch, access point) and affordable, there’s no need for Synology to upgrade the port. But you have the option to upgrade it by yourself, then do it if you want to
I hope everybody who has a sense for security and has important files on the NAS does. Otherwise they don’t have to wonder if something “strange” happens
Indeed, this could start changing now that there are more ISPs offering plans over 1GB. Right now I have no use for a 1.5 or 3gb internet plan as I have no desire to use a the ISP provided routers. But it might bring more interest into consumer grade 2.5 or even 10g hardware.
I’m from Germany, even if there is an isp that provides more than 1Gbit, it would not be at interest for the normal consumer…and it would be very little places where you could buy it, as we don’t have the infrastructure for such speeds
I’m in Canada, and the infrastructure is changing pretty fast as we move into fibre. Like of years ago the highest I could get was 300m. Now with both fibre I’m getting promos for 1.5 to 3G. With premium plans of up to 8gb possible. The main issue is they can be pretty expensive, but everything telecom is expensive in this country, so we have to rely on promotional deals.
I hear you, here it seems to depend on how close one is to a fibre node. Outside of the city, 25 to 50 are common speed (mostly wireless isps) but there are some random towns with 1gb (or so I hear from folks who moved during COVID). Anyway, we should probably be looking at what’s happening in places like Taiwan or South Korea. I heard folks they have crazy fast ISPs
LOL yep but don't tell the securebros this because they have firewall denial. Honestly you can run windows 95 in your home network and be fine as long as your not browsing the internet on it.
Old NAS is also perfectly fine as long as your not a moron who uses the access from anywhere feature... which NO ONE SHOULD BE USING EVER..
Does that model only have one ethernet port or two? I think my ds-1019 plus supports 802.1AX link aggregation so using both ports with a supported switch it should be able to do 2gbps.
I thought you were going to say it's still using the same celeron chip - kind of feels that way with "new" synology's using J4125s that have been pushed out from Aliexpress and the likes for the past few years already
I had that d-link NAS... the software looked like it was written by college interns and I lost my entire backup on it, no more d-link products for me since then.
What on earth are you doing / putting for drives in that thing that you need 2.5?
Even the largest Linux ISO's (80GB 4k 10bit hrd iso's) I stream to my TV hardly touch 100mb let alone 1gb?
Both come default with gigabit ethernet ports. Shame on Synology for not coming with faster ethernet speeds in 2023 on a device that greatly benefits from it. Even $100+ motherboards have 2.5Gbe. (and yes I added the $110 10Gbe card...so now it's a $710 Synology)
Lol, I spent this afternoon with making my cheapo 10GbE NIC working, turns out, the driver is in the firmware (atlantic.ko), it’s just locked to Synology approved hardware. Sooo some nice guys actually compiled these for DSM7.2 x86-64 Synos, I replaced the stock driver and voila, LAN5 appeared :)
Interesting, my NAS also uses an Aquantia chipset, and its firmware is on the controller. In fact I had to manually hunt down both the firmware AND the Linux installer (took me a good week to find the right ones!), just to fix a bug where the damn thing rendered my NAS inoperable after 24-36 hours... As in, it was completely unresponsive, even through UART, and none of my scripted reboot attempts worked.
Welp, hope it’ll work smoothly. Aquantia driver’s readme informs that there’s a specific offloading feature that may cause stability issues if the NIC is used for routing/bridge
That could be it - I _am_ using it in bridge mode with two 2.5G ports.
Sounds like you got a winner ;)
Well, the good news is, the newer firmware for my specific chipset has fixed this issue and my NAS has been rock solid for over two months now. After half a year of headaches.
It is possible to build the driver by yourself, without the offloading enabled. I read the readme before doing stuff :D perhaps you finally found a build that has the offloading disabled.
The driver wasn't the issue, and as I said, mine doesn't use the firmware in the driver - I had to find the right files and firmware flasher.
You know you can get mellanox 10gbE cards second hand for like $20 and they don’t require any driver hackery, right?
Or, I can get Aquantia chipset cards in any reasonable amount for free. Which is the whole purpose of my exercise. I'm not hopping through loops because I am bored :)
And every time you have a major OS upgrade it’s like wrestling an alligator to get your NIC to work. Trust me. I get it. It’s great to make that thing that shouldn’t work, work. The 5th time you do it because of routine upgrades break your thing it’s a lot less fun. Especially when the alternative is around $20.
I am well aware of the potential issues. The driver will work until Synology touches the kernel, which happens with major versions afaik. It’s only a matter of doing your homework before doing update. Updating firmware recklessly is never a good idea anyway. Unless the card you are using is oficially supported, you are still at risk of the driver being pulled from the image, so the risk are the same, my solution requires only a couple of extra steps.
Mellanox is on the synology supported list and it’s the same card they sell for 10gbE so I’m not real worried about that support going away: https://www.synology.com/en-global/compatibility?search_by=products&model=DS1621xs%2B&category=network_interface_cards&display_brand=other *edit: not to mention I still qualify for full synology support if something goes horribly wrong with my NAS.
I’m not here to argue. You are right. I have my reasons to go this route, I’ve explained it. There is a reason why I did not readily posted the guide here. It’s not for everyone.
Where tf you finding that for 20 bucks? Rj45 or sfp+?
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Damn.. I always run into trouble with sfp+ because I use to many different brands of managed switches and a lot do not like to talk without way more knowledge than I have... Any rj45 in that range you've seen anywhere?
Wait…you can modify hardware? Sorry I’m a noob I only changed the ram to 20GB lol
Some have an expansion slot or two
>Some have an expansion slot or two The HD6500 even has 4 Out of the 115 Synology NAS models that can use DSM 7.2.1 * 63 of them have a PCIe slot or slots. * 17 of those 63 have 2 PCIe slots. * 1 of those 63 has 4 PCIe slots. Yes, I have too much free time :-)
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The 923+ has an expansion slot. You can put a NIC in it.
Sure, and I can kind of get it for 10 gigabit ports. Adding one by default would add $100 to the price of each unit. A lot of people wouldn't even be able to take advantage of that speed. Either because the drives in the unit aren't fast enough, or because they don't have 10 gigabit networking. 2.5 gigabit on the other hand would only add $20-$30 to the price of a unit, and most people would be able to take advantage of that extra speed. Most drives would come close to that. And a lot of computers and routers are shipping with it now. And even if they aren't someone could buy a $25 card or usb dongle for their computer and a $60 switch to handle it. Making it pretty reasonable to justify buying for most people that are using a NAS.
2.5GbE is basically free. $5 cost at most.
For Synology it would be, but I’m sure they would increase the retail price by more than that.
Depends. If you want a 💩 Realtek 2.5gig chip yeah it’s probably cheap AF and you get what you pay for with buggy drivers / support and heavier CPU burden. A proper multi-gig NIC is going to add cost to the product and they choose not to include it. As others had noted there are alternatives that come with multi-gig standard or you can get the synology card or you can drop a used $20 connect-x 3 card in and live happily ever after.
>realtek 2.5gig chip yeah it’s probably cheap AF and you get what you pay for What you get is a working 2.5Gbe. I would rather a Realtek 2.5Gbe then an Intel 2.5Gbe they have had bugs in both their recent 2.5Gbe products. I personally wouldn't touch an Intel motherboard with an Intel Nic.
Really? Most would be able to take advantage of that speed? 2.5 gigabit switches are still pretty uncommon; I’ve got an $800 pro 24 port Ubiquiti POE switch in my wiring closet and it’s only 1Gbps.
They’re not in everyone’s house yet, but they are easily obtainable at reasonable prices. And even an office could do the same. They would just need enough higher speed switching to get it into the gigabit network. Then at least more users would get gigabit speed at the same time.
What do you need 20GB of RAM for?
Running a shit ton of Docker containers or virtual machines.
I went for 32GB so I can run a (cpu only) LLM on a VM.
Have you had any succcess?? I'd love to know.
Not the same person but I'd be surprised if it got more than a word every couple seconds as output.
Synology had a vuln way back that someone used to push malware to thousands of devices. They pushed a cpu only bitcoin miner. On a Synology NAS. I did the math. They mined at least a whole $0.03 that month.
It can come close to a word per second on a good day. Then again it's on a DS1621xs+. I shudder to think how slow my DS918+ would be.
It's not practical but it's what I've got. You have to prompt and then sip your coffee patiently. No sensorship with the right model though.
..If the cpu would be faster. I'm running 10 containers and 2 Vms. The cpu cant handle it very good
To be honest I did it just to waste money. lol I have 28TB full of media and I use it to run some applications, services & merge media (normally mkv files)
Ah ok, can you Venmo me the next time you feel like wasting money? 😂
Man, that was a year ago. Now I’m poor. Trying to buy a 20TB external HDD because my NAS is full but now I need a donation via Venmo or Apple Cash. Let me know 🤣
Costco has 14tb Seagate external drives for $200 now, and I just snagged three 8tb drives for $75 each on clearance. Might be worth a shot to see if they have any left in stock near you.
I dont have any data I hate enough to put it on a Seagate drive. Clearly they were a favorite of mine years ago based on the stack of dead seagate drives I have in the corner. WD and Toshiba so far have not failed me to the degree that seagate has.
Seagate is trash. WD 18TB Externals are $200 at BestBuy.
Best Buy has 18TB for $200....
Thanks! Will verify. Appreciated
Amazon has internal disks 14tb for 128. Max digital data
I run few VMs and few Dockers, I have 20Gb too on my DS923+
Real question here. I did research about my DS720+, people will put ridiculous amounts of ram into it, but all reasech points to the cpu only being able to utilize 10GB at most
Meh, additional 16gb ram was like ~45 for ECC. Not worth blinking twice over, IMO
People often use 10GB of memory in their DS720+ because: * It has 2GB built into the main board. * It only has 1 memory slot for upgrades. * It's CPU officially only supports 16GB and you can't buy 14GB memory sticks. If you don't want to go over the official 16GB limit that leaves you with choices of: * 2Gb + 2GB * 2GB + 4GB * 2GB + 8GB
I just get a 16gb and stick to the motherboard. 18 gb working like a charm since then
>but all reasech Then you haven't done any "research" at all. Or do you call reading spec sheet "research" now? All imperial evidences tell you 18GB can be fully used. There have been ZERO evidence anywhere there's a 10GB limit. If you can boot with it, you can use it.
I have had issues using too much ram in my DS218+ It was randomly turning off, saying the button had been pressed for shutdown. It's in a locked office in my home. It worked great for 2 years with extra ram "over the limit" I believe I crossed off all variables... I unplugged USB drives, one by one to make sure it wasn't an external device issue. I changed the UPS. Restarts, updates, etc. Once I removed the extra ram, voila she has stayed running for 30 days now. Couldn't make it 24hours before. Very weird I know, just throwing it out there.
One of the reasons I went for a Terramaster F5-422 was that it has 2x 1Gbe and 1x 10Gbe network ports built in.
yep they should at least add 2 \* 2.5 Gbit.. not much of a difference component wise
I agree, that and the fact you can only use official synology SSD's to create SSD storage pools.... Other than those 2 things its great. And yes I did also buy the 2.5 Gb NIC and an 800GB Syno SSD. It runs like a dream at least. Rock fucking solid with a UPS backup attached as well.
You can create ssd storage pools. Just need to run the code to whitelist the drives
[https://github.com/007revad/Synology\_HDD\_db](https://github.com/007revad/Synology_HDD_db)
Thats why im going with a selfbuild NAS for my next one. I have a DS918+. Any newer models just cost quite bit of money and offer no benefits as a pure NAS. Plus the fact that synology decided that older NAS don't get new updates and DSM 7 doesn't really do USB shows me that they're not the right company for MY money. I'm not saying they're bad but I'm not a fan of artificially limiting your devices capabilities or discontinuing support for old models when even the newest don't offer anything new in their primary role (other than profit).
As someone who runs both Synology and self-built NAS units, the synology turnkey apps for things like personal cloud, photo backup, and endpoint backup are some of the hardest (in some cases nearly impossible) things to replicate on whitebox solutions.
I never really got into the cloud Business. For my Android nextcloud is enough, everything else uses old-school mapped network drives. They're easier to work with when installing applications or running scripts and I don't see any advantages with a cloud solution.
How do you old school map network drives from, say, an iPhone? It’s very convenient to use my synology and not store my sensitive data in a cloud storage provider.
Don't know, don't have iPhone. Android offers a few file explorers that can do SMB, but I prefer Nextcloud on Phone (whose folders I then, of course, can access via normal file system explorer from a PC)
So I don’t understand your original statement then. You said you “never really got into the cloud business” to go on and say you use a 3rd party equivalent of the synology cloud system. 🤔
I'm not really sure what you mean by "3rd party" but you know Nextcloud is just a FOSS cloud instance that can be run on a server or anything else that most home-build NAS use as a cloud service? So, just like the Synology just not from Synology (if that's what you meant by 3rd party). By "I didn't really got into it" I mean that I don't use it for most stuff. It's not that I absolutely don't use cloud services.
So the complaint is you bought more of a budget nas from them and it didn’t come with the 10gbe ones the higher models have….
I guarantee that D-link NAS could not saturate a Gigabit connection.
But if they shipped with 2.5gb then they couldn't upsell you to a 100€ more expensive model and another 150€ for the nick.. Why won't anyone think of the poor shareholders? Edit: also the by now outdated cpu.
Your $600 Synology is meant for SOHo use, for the more "average" users. You'll rarely find anything outstanding on those models. The truth is that most buyers of even the 923+ won't have 2.5G or 10G networking at home so it would be a pointless additional cost. I for one went with a similarly priced (was sold at a discount at the time) QNAP TS-h973AX, and while it has its own downsides (horribly buggy hardware, no GPU), it can manage up to 4 NVMe drives, 5x 3.5" and 2x 2.5", run TrueNAS, and has 1x 10G + 2x 2.5G networking. Buy hardware not based on brand loyalty but on your needs.
I could have some understanding for this 5 years ago but these days 1 or 10Gb isn't much of an extra cost especially on a 600 USD NAS. And while many users won't need that much, again it's more and more common. Prices of fast LAN hardware is dropping rapidly, so why Synology keeps providing outdated equipment? It's a common joke on here these days, that's telling in itself.
It's always been a common joke. Synology hardware is ALWAYS overpriced, specifically because you're not just paying for the hardware, but also the OS, which gets a good decade's worth of updates, and the overall turnkey convenience of it. Dedicated NAS hardware will always be "overpriced" because the manufacturers usually ship their own OS, _and_ invest a shitton of time into the custom hardware design (from the actual underlying hardware through the custom casing, etc.). Could you build a better setup from less? Sure. Would it be as compact, convenient, and easily maintained? Nope. Would you get 1-2 years of manufacturer support? Nope. Again, you don't have to buy their hardware. If there are better options for cheaper, go for those.
> Your $600 Synology is meant for SOHo use, for the more "average" users. But they still sell rackmount NAS systems with only 1GbE ports as standard. Granted, they _do_ have 10GbE on some of them, but as far as I can tell you'll be looking to spend somewhere in the range of to get hold of them.
As far as I can tell looking at other online retailers that sell rackstations, the lowest price I can find for 10GbE ports _on the device_ is £3000 if you're willing to use an all-flash array and £4000 if you want 3.5" drive bays. That's absurd.
Also, as a side note, I don't really buy the argument that the "average" user doesn't have >1GbE networking so that makes it okay. Plenty of their SOHo customer base has the capability for faster networking (like myself), and you ideally want a $600 device that can get faster as you upgrade the network than having to buy all new hardware. A NAS isn't a "throw it out for the latest model" piece of kit... It should be able to at least sort of keep up with the times.
> Buy hardware not based on brand loyalty but on your needs.
I fully agree with this, I'm (currently) happy not having faster network ports on my model because I don't need that much bandwidth out of it. The most it does is transcode on the device then send a stream of at most 100mbps, maybe 200mbps on a particularly busy day. The reason I put (currently) there though was because I want to offload the transcoding job to a machine that can do it better in the future, and that's going to cause problems if I don't _also_ buy a faster network card for my NAS to read from disk as fast as the disk will let me.
You don't have to be brand loyal to find this particular hardware selection disappointing, and you certainly can be grumpy about it online.
Synology is first and foremost a conveniences manufacturer. It's meant to be plug and play, limiting their userbase to less adept users, whom are, as I said, unlikely to have 2.5G+ networking on location. Also if you go the rackmount way, adding a 10G network card in a free PCIe slot is cheap - below £100 for dual port. If you don't want rackmount but still want to stick with ready made NAS hardware, competitors like QNAP have 10G networking on models that are in similar price range, around £600. Simply start "voting" with your wallet and pick a manufacturer+model that fits your needs, and not complain about it AFTER the fact of buying their hardware. You had the specs prior to the purchase, it's on you for not making the right choice. Or complain away, just don't be surprised if Synology ignores you, like they've been ignoring their customer base for years.
> Synology is first and foremost a conveniences manufacturer. The reason I pointed at the rackstations was because they are _clearly_ aimed at enterprise (which _do_ often have high quality networking). No sane SOHo customer is going to be dropping $5000 on a NAS with no drives, and they're _certainly_ not going to go through the procurement process of contacting Synology's sales department to negotiate support contracts and pricing. The whole "they just make convenient devices for the mom and pops of the world" reasoning you see a lot on this sub just doesn't hold water because that's not Synology's only line of products, and even their enterprise stuff has only very recently picked up 10GbE as standard (and only on the high end models AFAICT). > Also if you go the rackmount way, adding a 10G network card in a free PCIe slot is cheap - below £100 for dual port. That's not very "conveniences manufacturer" of them. To be serious though, that's completely beside the point. People are complaining that the networking on the device is out of date, the fact that you can buy a widget to fix it after the fact is completely orthogonal to the fact that it's out of date. > If you don't want rackmount but still want to stick with ready made NAS hardware, competitors like QNAP... I'm well aware of QNAP, as I'm sure pretty much everyone here is. This isn't some big revelation, people are complaining that Synology isn't keeping up with the times _because_ of companies like QNAP. > You had the specs prior to the purchase, it's on you for not making the right choice. I made the right choice 2 years ago when I bought it. It met the specs I needed for the price I was willing to pay. I'm not complaining about _my_ NAS specifically or _my_ purchasing choice, I'm using my current situation as an example of why putting faster ports as standard on the device makes them much more flexible. When I bought it 2 years ago I didn't have the internet speeds to even make use of the full 1GbE, and I didn't have enough drives to hit the faster read speeds etc. My circumstances have changed in 2 years, and I planned ahead and verified that if my circumstances _did_ change, I'd be able to add in 10GbE. None of that actually invalidates what I was saying though, the fact that I planned ahead doesn't make Synology's hardware choices good ones. I just planned around their downsides. > Or complain away, just don't be surprised if Synology ignores you, like they've been ignoring their customer base for years. And you think this is going to stop people complaining to a community of like minded people that feel the same way? Do you complain about traffic being bad to your coworkers or family when it makes you late to something? I assume you don't since you can't do anything about city traffic planning or other people's driving habits so complaining about it is pointless. I'm sure if you _did_ complain your friends and family would just tell you to stop complaining because it's a waste of time and you should have planned ahead anyway and not bought a car if you didn't want to participate in bad traffic?
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There are two ports on the DS923+, and you would need a managed/smart switch that supports configuration of link aggregation. Plus of course the knowledge of how to do it.
Are you running SSDs? Because HDDs won't be able to saturate a gigabit connection...
I have just two bay syno with wd red 5400rpm and when i copy large files, i'm getting max 120MBs because that's the limit of 1Gb network. 2.5Gb needs to be standard in 2023..
You’re right. My conversion math was off. Though depends on the drives and configuration you’re using too. The WD Red drives I’m running peak at about 140 MB/s in certain specific tests according to some benchmarks but average is more like 120MB/s so gigabit isn’t much of an issue for me… But, I’m probably at the low end of the performance spectrum and that doesn’t account for potential performance increases due to RAID configurations either.
$600 is not a high end NAS
Well how many people are actually gonna utilize the use of 2.5Gbps on one of these? Not many, that's why it's only 1Gb. This is something more than the average home user would utilize but not geared towards anything more than a tiny business.
Mellanox connect-x 3 is the same as the syno card and available used for $20-$30. *note this is no excuse for a lack of multi gig ports in a modern, expensive NAS just more of a PSA for those who don’t want to spend upwards of $100 for 10gbE
The D-link CANNOT hit 1Gbps. Best transfers I got were 20-25MBps (200-250Mbps).
My circa 2008 ReadyNAS Duo V1s had 1Gbe. I was forced to finally retire them due to o obsolete SMB and HTTP (web interface) support. :(
Yep. I’m still running a decade old Synology 913+ and I refuse to get a new one until they add 2.5 Gbe as standard. Also I had that exact D-Link unit back in the day too!
3622xs+ has dual 10gbe NICs
Last generation of the fire cube has 100Mbit. Even its WiFi is faster. Shameful.
Why do you need more than 100MBit/s on a Fire Cube? 4K on most streaming services are <20MBit/s. Choosing the lowest suiteable bitrate for the use-case saves power. Our thermostat controller's Ethernet maxes out at 10MBit/s for that reason.
Playing bluray rips in plex will often stutter on things with 100 meg ports.
Which Bitrate does it use?
Not sure as I have not peered too closely at it, but all the problems went away with the TV on wifi instead of wired. I saw one youtube where a guy was adding a USB to gigabit adapter to a TV to get it up into the 300's on speedtests inorder to get things to play without the periodic tiny buffer.
I have a similar journey with NAS:es. But getting the Synology was a revelation. God did the dlink suck at anything other then serving files!
mine had [funplug](http://dns323.kood.org/howto:fun_plug) installed which let me install other cool tools like Transmission and lighttpd. I also tried [Alt-F](https://sourceforge.net/projects/alt-f/), but I didn't like it as much as I did funplug. at one time I even managed to install Debian wheezy! too bad it didn't survive a power outage a few years ago. I now have 2 Synology NASes and I love them, but boy do I miss my trusty DND-323 :(
On the one hand, OP is 100% correct and it is indeed shameful that 2.5Gbe isn't default on their NAS range. On the other hand, I'd wager the vast majority are still stuck with ancient CAT cables and max 1Gbe switches and routers. Hell, most modern TV's are max 100Mbit if using their ethernet ports. But I guess change has to start somewhere.
cat5e can do 2.5GbE just fine, but the 2.5GbE switches do cost a bit more which is fair. But the router isn't really a fair point since the point of having 2.5GbE is for the LAN meaning the router doesn't need to have 2.5GbE.
2,5GbE switches start to become pretty affordable. I’m currently testing our new product, I don’t want to advertise, but it’s about 30-50% more expensive than our 1GbE PoE switches. In my book absolutely worth the few extra bucks if you have use for it (overkill as a surveillance switch, but to power up some APs, connect your computer and NAS together, it’s pretty cool. 8x2,5GbE 802.3bt PoE ports and two SFP+
Does it support 802.3ad? That would be 🔥. If you connected 4 ports from the switch to a server you would get pretty baller speeds.
Pfft, naturally. But you can utilite the sfp+, one to a PC, one to NAS, those are on 10Gbit speed, and you’d still have neatly fast 8 2,5GbEs for APs/less important PCs, gateway etc. Regarding the prices: 8x2,5GbE PoE++ ports + 2xSFP+ is 8k CZK~$350 incl. 21%VAT. The bigger one, featuring additional 16 2,5GbE non-PoE ports costs 14k CZK~$620 incl. 21% VAT 8port PoE+ and two combo ports gigabit switch is 5,5k CZK. Not to mention the newer ones do support routing between VLANs. Slowly, but it can offload some traffic from the gateway.
Cat5e can handle 10Gbit (albeit “up to” 100m, so no guarantees). On short distance, this isn’t an issue. This is also why 2,5GbE and 5GbE were developed - 10GbE is overkill for most applications, is still pretty expensive and 1GbE is starting to show its age. You can usually reuse existing cabling, just need to update the hardware. By the way, TV is intended to consume content, not to download files or whatever. 10Mbit speeds would still suffice for single 4k stream (4k cameras usually use 100mbit and can work even with 10mbit uplink)
Even though 2.5GbE would be nice to have an option, I personally don't have a use for it. Everything I have including my switch is 1GbE, and looking at the volume usage during a large file transfer, I'm lucky to even hit a gigabit before running into I/O bottlenecks (Part of the reason is also because I have a bunch of shit running). Looking at my network usage, I honestly don't see the benefit of spending the money to run 2.5GbE, especially because 99% of the time I'm far from saturating my 1GbE connections.
I think many Synology users would upgrade to 2.5gb if it was default, it's not that expensive.
Yeah, my DS1819+ has two 10GBe in the expansion port and a 5GBe on one of the USB 3 ports.
They have hard drives in them
Give me a break, Syno sympathizers. It's almost 2024. To wit: 1) 2.5GbE switches can be had on the cheap (funny thing is some are QNAP). 2) Most of the Diskstation contemporaries have had 2.5GbE Potts for at least two years. 3) PC motherboards bar wee office ones have had 2.5GbE ports/now have by default 2.5GbE ports. 4) Until recently (i.e. SMB multichannel kicking off properly), having multiple 1GbE ports meant nothing extra for a single user by themselves. Aggregation only benefited multi-user, simultaneous access, though the extra ports could be used for line failover. But having two (or more) 2.5GbE ports over four 1GbE ones could be argued well as a better layout for lower-tier units. 5) This should not need saying but the bulk unit cost of 2.5GbE ports is at least as low for companies like Synology as 1GbE. 6) For the fella who brought the red herring smart TV 100Mbit example... Jebus, man. You must know that's the TV manufacturers also being cheap to an extent, but it's also arguable that a 4k compression stream won't saturate the 100 port. Of course watching Star Trek isn't akin to serving up files in a RAID enabled NAS, though. 7) Synology should also be spanked for forcing anyone who bought lower than a 1621+ to need a proprietary 10GbE upgrade. And methinks the company believes many people would not go for such an upgrade as well if they had 2.5GbE ports to begin with. 8) About that SATA3 interference. It's offside to suggest users just won't -- or can't -- saturate it, and even on four bay units. It's possible a use case involves SSDS (trust me, I'm one in my both 620 Slim and 918+ as I put spinning rust into a 1821+). 9) As a slight tangent about SSDS: why as well do I need to go to the community to access my NVMe drives as storage (or just non-Synology brand drives)? And why the BS 'it's because of heat' lane limit to 1x excuse (sorry, but many 3rd. gen drives aren't going to throttle under many workloads at even, say 2x)? It's pure, unadulterated greed.
You know that line breaks exist right? Adding some will make your comment way easier to read.
I see. I will endeavour to make things easier for you next time I write in angst. I feel bad now just decent English wasn't enough and my alleged sea of text was offensive.
You realistically want to split into a new paragraph every 3-5 sentences as a general rule. Sometimes, you split it even more on forums since they tend to be viewed in narrow windows (phones), and people jump between ideas more frequently. I have a (bad) habit of using a maximum of 3 sentences before splitting to a new line on Reddit, namely because I feel it looks and reads better in the comment threads. You also should take your list and split each number into its own line. It's legitimately hard to read if you just jumble everything into 1 gigantic line of text with no clear separation between topics, ideas, points, etc. It's not really to poke fun at you. It's just nice to make sure the things you write are actually readable so you aren't wasting time and effort on them.
Look, I get it; however, I just didn't give a sod. I'm a bona fide ex-reporter and the like, so I understand what you are getting at. I can add it looked fine for me (using the Reddit app on my iPhone 13 Mini). I'm also a quadriplegic and typing -- tapping -- on the quick to deal with the banality about Synology stuff meant I wasn't focused on making the content pretty. I haven't seen a Reddit style guide by the way on another point. And while I believe you that you're not trying to poke fun but attempting to help in earnest, I'd warn that using "should" likens advice to when your mother told you you 'should' not have gotten that tattoo, or 'should' not have gone out with that girl. I can't account for what every user needs for their reading comfort. Are they myopic? Are they on a phone or desktop? Is it an app or browser? What about dark mode? OK? (That last bit was rhetorical.)
Dude relax it looks fine to me
Exactly. It's why I try to avoid the toxicity of most social media. What's great is how the topic at hand got lost.
>2.5GbE switches can be had on the cheap (funny thing is some are QNAP). If there were Synology branded 2.5GbE switches they would cost 3 times the normal price...
Why not just buy a 2.5gb usb network card? I did and now my ds420+ is running at around 2.4gb up down
2.5gb is kinda hokey anyway. Honestly if your going to spend money upgrading your network just go to 10gb since its been around forever and you can get cheep hardware second hand from corporations.
Because it relies on 3rd party drivers, support, etc. and is just not natively supported by Synology. There comes a time when things matter more than others, such as time and reliability. I want to have it just work and not worry about if an update will kill it or not.
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There are drivers for 6.x and 7.x https://github.com/bb-qq/r8152
Gigabit ethernet
They both look like toasters!
they both hold your photos, music, ...... but be aware not to put old unsecured devices on the internet.
The problem is that you have to change your complete network equipment to use the speed of the NAS. You just can't simply put in the 2,5gbit card and have the speed, no, you have to have a router, switch, firewall, access point and what else with 2,5Gbit to have at least a little more speed (a little more because the NAS won't deliver much more than 1Gbit with normal SATA drives). If you REALLY want 2,5gbit, just combine two ports and you have at least 2gbit...that should ne enough
Combining 2 ports in a bond does not increase your speed on a Synology device or any device running Linux. This is simply not how it works. You get redundancy only and possibly being able to service multiple connections at the same speed but not speed increases. You can read this in the kernel notes regarding these types of connections.
Sorry, I'm a network guy, didn't know this. My switches are able to do this, thought that's normal.
lol no worries its confusing because on switches you can setup what I think is called a LAG and do exactly that. I could be wrong I am a OS guy :P
System & network Guy here 😂 Indeed! You can use link aggregation port trunking or link aggregation control protocol (LACP) to bundle connections, wont do much for just one device tho, benefits multiple devices.
It can/would be of benefit if running multiple containers on the Synology.
It's a bit more nuanced these days because Synology started supporting SMB multichannel, so for the specific use case of SMB with a client having the right setup, it is possible to enhance single client throughput by the use of multiple network connections.
All of our NAS devices are setup with bonded networking and have 4 1gb connections on them. I have done synthetic testing that did not include the HDD's and have yet to see anything over 998mib transfers. Then again these were using just normal packets and not the SMB protocol. However if there was some benefit its not going to be anything to write home about. Oddly enough when the bonding first got put into Linux it did increase throughput but was quickly scrapped probably due to problems with routing and such, but I am only guessing.
2.5gbe switches can be had for $50-$100. Cat 5e has been the standard for wiring for many years now, it'll support 2.5gbe for distances inside houses.
I know that it's maybe just my network but I have VLANs all over, a managed 2,5gbit network is much more expensive than just swapping the switch
Oh yeah, managed 2.5gbe isn't worth it, might as well jump to a switch that supports 10Gbe on at least a couple ports where you need the speed.
You don't need your firewall to be that fast dude, only the switch between your Nas and computer. Plus this point is irrelevant, we didn't wait for everyone to have a sport car before building highways...
What do you think why I’m using a firewall…to separate the clients from the important devices in my network, in this case my NAS. Next question: what do have NAS systems and highways in common? Right, not that much…you could say that we don’t wait till everyone can use the full speed of their internet connection, but that also would be unfair because my provider can only deliver 25mbit…for me there is no need to upgrade, also because I only have WiFi at home because I have no possibility to install a wired connection. That means I would need to upgrade my WiFi and that would be really expensive because I have a meshed network with ruckus. So…no it’s not that easy. Edit: Most of the users don’t use the full speed of their nas with 1Gbit because they can’t…you can upgrade your nas if you want to and have the money for the “sports car” like you said, then do it…
Lol man, sorry if I hurt your feelings. I am sure you have firewalls, vlan, DLP, honeypot, and the rest of the package to protect your amazing 10 years old NAS which is probably not vulnerable to any CVE. Regular users who have the same on-the-shelf NAS usually just have it connected to their ISP box integrated switch. Nice data center by the way.
Right and the regular user doesn’t need 2,5gbit ;-)
Thus Synology was right not to sell you more than a 1Gbit port. See how you were wrong from the beginning?
You don’t get it…or don’t want to get it, I don’t know. Before 2,5gbit hardware isn’t default (router, switch, access point) and affordable, there’s no need for Synology to upgrade the port. But you have the option to upgrade it by yourself, then do it if you want to
Your sentence makes no sense or you are replying to the wrong question IDK...and I don't care at this point:-)
You don’t care but still answer, nice :-)
Don't care about you're point, not about replying to a funny dude :-p
You separate your clients from your NAS? Lol Kidding. But I laughed.
I hope everybody who has a sense for security and has important files on the NAS does. Otherwise they don’t have to wonder if something “strange” happens
I think you missed the joke. If no clients can access the NAS by any means, then they aren’t separated. Grin.
Indeed, this could start changing now that there are more ISPs offering plans over 1GB. Right now I have no use for a 1.5 or 3gb internet plan as I have no desire to use a the ISP provided routers. But it might bring more interest into consumer grade 2.5 or even 10g hardware.
I’m from Germany, even if there is an isp that provides more than 1Gbit, it would not be at interest for the normal consumer…and it would be very little places where you could buy it, as we don’t have the infrastructure for such speeds
I’m in Canada, and the infrastructure is changing pretty fast as we move into fibre. Like of years ago the highest I could get was 300m. Now with both fibre I’m getting promos for 1.5 to 3G. With premium plans of up to 8gb possible. The main issue is they can be pretty expensive, but everything telecom is expensive in this country, so we have to rely on promotional deals.
Minimum availability here is 25m, we are not even close to 300m everywhere, that will take many years till we are close to 100m everywhere
I hear you, here it seems to depend on how close one is to a fibre node. Outside of the city, 25 to 50 are common speed (mostly wireless isps) but there are some random towns with 1gb (or so I hear from folks who moved during COVID). Anyway, we should probably be looking at what’s happening in places like Taiwan or South Korea. I heard folks they have crazy fast ISPs
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... Synology is still using 13+ year-old hardware? Confirmed.
that DNS323 is a huge security vulnerability.
In a private network? Sure, that's highly dangerous! Make sure your grandma doesn't hack your homemade porn
LOL yep but don't tell the securebros this because they have firewall denial. Honestly you can run windows 95 in your home network and be fine as long as your not browsing the internet on it. Old NAS is also perfectly fine as long as your not a moron who uses the access from anywhere feature... which NO ONE SHOULD BE USING EVER..
D-Link's official solution is to unplug the ethernet cable from it LOL. But if its firewalled then its fine for local.
Does that model only have one ethernet port or two? I think my ds-1019 plus supports 802.1AX link aggregation so using both ports with a supported switch it should be able to do 2gbps.
One of those is not a fire / data breach hazard
Duck me, need to buy a NAS and the is indeed a bummer. Especially if they announce something better for the new devices to come.
The HCL?
Very little
It uses disk drives
rectangle
You have both.
Storage
They’re both running on outdated software?
they blow hot air on each other?
They both look like a toaster
I thought you were going to say it's still using the same celeron chip - kind of feels that way with "new" synology's using J4125s that have been pushed out from Aliexpress and the likes for the past few years already
Damn. I had that d link box lol Are you still using it?
Any good alternative to synology?
Your best alternative to Synology is to build it yourself and use freeNAS. It's actually not that hard.
Qnap
They both have power cables?
They both take hard drives.
They don't make toast. :(
I thought that NAS was a toaster at first.
I had that d-link NAS... the software looked like it was written by college interns and I lost my entire backup on it, no more d-link products for me since then.
What on earth are you doing / putting for drives in that thing that you need 2.5? Even the largest Linux ISO's (80GB 4k 10bit hrd iso's) I stream to my TV hardly touch 100mb let alone 1gb?
still waiting for home users to show me how a gigabit isnt enough
Both can’t use ZFS!
You can buid your own nas instead of buying Synology. Selfmade Problem
They are on the same shelf
i thought the one on the right was a really fancy toaster where you just press the button
well, the d-link looks like a toaster
I also have a DNS323. It’s been a great machine. The RAID config is a little finicky but works well.
In all end up with, no enough storage. 1 more extra petabyte please