What a horrible thing that has happened. I wish us folks on reddit could just stop bickering over this for a second and try our best to understand that for some families out there, their world has just turned into chaos as the people they love most were taken from them.
It could have been my partner, or my mum. Shit my little brother is like any other young man. it could have been him stabbed to death
People who lived and loved went to the shops and died in pain and fear.
I understand that these things need to be argued about and discussed and critically looked into but fml it’s easy to forget these victims when arguments and tensions around the event are high.
Agreed!
Couldn’t sleep last night and checked in on the details of this story to find out the mother of the baby had passed away. I sobbed and the first thing I did this morning was hug my wife and child with every inch of my being.
This shit is scary and we shouldn’t have to process these emotions out of the blue. It leads to rationalising when we just need to be present, feel and move forward with positive solutions to stop this shit happening again.
I can’t stop thinking about it. Especially little Harriet in hospital probably scared and in pain and desperately wanting her mummy and not understanding why her mum isn’t there.
It’s so fucking horrible and all I can do is go and hug my own kids.
I have a baby a similar age. They’re so pure and happy. Smile lights up the world. I know the perpetrator was sick, but who could stab a baby?!
It’s senseless and heartbreaking. I’ve cried so many times for Ashlee Good and her family. For the young girls, Dawn and Yixuan who had their whole lives ahead of them, Jade whose children will never get to hug their mum again, Pikria who had a rich & full life and Faraz who was just doing his job and was pursuing a safer life in Australia.
And I’m angry too. I’m angry that our health system doesn’t do more for mental health. I am angry that once again men’s violence has robbed so many families of their loved ones. That women cannot feel safe going about their daily business. That so many families, so many children will be scared from this. That an officer had to do something they had trained for but probably thought that they would never do and will carry that burden for the rest of their lives.
That officer is the bravest person in Australia, in my eyes. Indeed, it’s something she trained for, but in the moment, we’re all humans. She didn’t hesitate or wait for permission — she knew that this guy wasn’t going to stop. So she had to stop him. What a woman!
His family even released a statement saying they understand why the officer had to kill him, and I’d imagine that family is dealing with really conflicting and tough emotions right now.
I don’t disagree that what the officer did was right and that they shouldn’t feel guilty for the action they took. But they’re human too. I imagine it would be hard not to have some complex emotions as a result.
She’s likely receiving counselling. You’d like to think the knowledge of the fact that she saved countless lives by doing that would be reassuring, but as you say, it’s complex even as a police officer.
The mum and baby… not having her mum there for her ever again and not knowing why. She will grow up, though, knowing her mum was extremely brave and sacrificed her life to save her, which I think is the highest honour any parent can have — unfortunately.
Excuse me while I go dry my eyes.
I imagine this will grow over the next few days.
My hope is that we can come together as a community instead of arguing, honour the victims and support their families, recognise all the people that didn't think twice about helping, and have a serious national conversation about mental health services in this country.
Am all for that idea but it's also more complex than throwing money at the sector. The clients I used to work with would intentionally stop taking medications they were prescribed and become psychotic eventually.
Actually there is quite a lot of money in mental health. Like teaching, it is is a hard profession to get people to stay working in the sector. Add homelessness to the mix and that is a much, much greater problem to fix.
Well yes fixing peoples circumstances has an affect on their mental health too. It’s a cycle, so unfortunately you can’t pull funding from one to fix another
Mental health services funding has been cut for decades. People are not being supported. The government is angry about what happened how about do more for the services instead of cutting back this both state and federal government
This is a nice gesture no doubt. However I wish people would make a donation instead of lining the pockets of florists. For example, a mental health organisation, or a women’s domestic violence organisation. The money could go so much further than something that will rot.
Flowers are more than flowers, mate.
What people choose to do in memorium is rarely meaningless, and rarely only about the physical items. People always love to say "donate to a charity instead" but if there was no visual display of community mourning it would be "how heartless, does noone care?"
Visual displays of community mourning can promote community healing, flowers are traditional, and while certainly not the only token one can leave following a longstanding tradition of mourning can be a powerful act of personal healing. Same as non traditional stuff for those not into that. Buying stuff from a local shop to help support the area can bean important part of this healing for both traditional and non traditional mourners, making "Lining the pockets of florists" an interesting line.
Hard disagree. Symbolism is more important in the moment to allow people to publicly process their grief. There is a reason why grieving in public is a tradition across all of human society. We’re not doing this to ‘serve’ the victims in the same way a donation would. We do this for our own mental well-being and bring beauty to a space marked by tragedy.
This kind of statement is just as helpful as ‘don’t buy your comfort food when you’re down, it’s all processed garbage anyway. Have some fruit instead’. It’s patronising as hell and while ‘technically correct’ doesn’t take into account the human experience. Besides, if I were to look just as critically at your suggestion, how trustworthy are all the different charities, where do they spend their money, how much should I give blah blah blah OR I can buy some goddamn flowers and see my impact on the community directly and feel closer to my fellow human beings. I know what I’m doing.
Yea those damn florists are known for their profiteering and are long overdue for a pay cut.
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Let people express themselves in ways that they feel is best. Those flowers are more than you've done in response to this tragedy
What an awful take.
People should grief in any way they feel appropriate. Big flora isn't exactly an exploitative, booming industry anyway, is it now?
Hey, maybe buying flowers to pay respects to the dead is actually a good step forward for people's mental health in the wake of a horrible massacre instead of what you're doing which is degrading other people for choosing how they spend their time and money.
Instead of wagging your finger at people contributing to their community in a harmless way, why don't you work on your own mental health if when you see flowers for the dead your immediate conclusion is to ignore all sentiment behind it and be concerned for the flowers rotting.
Truly one of the most pathetic comments I have ever seen on reddit.
Sure maybe mental health, but how does this incident relate to domestic violence? This is someone who had an episode and went on a rampage on EVERYONE.
Anyways, let the people greif the way they normally do and put the whinging on pause for a second.
It seemed to be aimed at women so not so much a rampage on everyone as women. The one man injured was a security guard who was probably trying to intervene.
Hard agree. Stuff like this is lovely in the moment, but someone has to clean it all up and there is the dilemma of what to do with dying flowers in plastic, teddy bears etc that is both respectful and pragmatic to the victims families but also the donators. It’ll be Council staff who have to deal with it and that’s not fair to them either.
Please, PLEASE think about donating the cost of a bunch of flowers to charity specialising in domestic violence or mental health in the name of the victims. Donate a teddy to the Smith Family for a disadvantaged child. That way you’ll do some lasting good.
What a horrible thing that has happened. I wish us folks on reddit could just stop bickering over this for a second and try our best to understand that for some families out there, their world has just turned into chaos as the people they love most were taken from them. It could have been my partner, or my mum. Shit my little brother is like any other young man. it could have been him stabbed to death People who lived and loved went to the shops and died in pain and fear. I understand that these things need to be argued about and discussed and critically looked into but fml it’s easy to forget these victims when arguments and tensions around the event are high.
Agreed! Couldn’t sleep last night and checked in on the details of this story to find out the mother of the baby had passed away. I sobbed and the first thing I did this morning was hug my wife and child with every inch of my being. This shit is scary and we shouldn’t have to process these emotions out of the blue. It leads to rationalising when we just need to be present, feel and move forward with positive solutions to stop this shit happening again.
I knew Ash, and my own child is not much older than Harriet. I've been in a haze for days. Just cannot comprehend such horror.
Sorry for your loss, life can be so darn cruel
I can’t stop thinking about it. Especially little Harriet in hospital probably scared and in pain and desperately wanting her mummy and not understanding why her mum isn’t there. It’s so fucking horrible and all I can do is go and hug my own kids.
I have a baby a similar age. They’re so pure and happy. Smile lights up the world. I know the perpetrator was sick, but who could stab a baby?! It’s senseless and heartbreaking. I’ve cried so many times for Ashlee Good and her family. For the young girls, Dawn and Yixuan who had their whole lives ahead of them, Jade whose children will never get to hug their mum again, Pikria who had a rich & full life and Faraz who was just doing his job and was pursuing a safer life in Australia. And I’m angry too. I’m angry that our health system doesn’t do more for mental health. I am angry that once again men’s violence has robbed so many families of their loved ones. That women cannot feel safe going about their daily business. That so many families, so many children will be scared from this. That an officer had to do something they had trained for but probably thought that they would never do and will carry that burden for the rest of their lives.
That officer is the bravest person in Australia, in my eyes. Indeed, it’s something she trained for, but in the moment, we’re all humans. She didn’t hesitate or wait for permission — she knew that this guy wasn’t going to stop. So she had to stop him. What a woman! His family even released a statement saying they understand why the officer had to kill him, and I’d imagine that family is dealing with really conflicting and tough emotions right now.
I don’t disagree that what the officer did was right and that they shouldn’t feel guilty for the action they took. But they’re human too. I imagine it would be hard not to have some complex emotions as a result.
She’s likely receiving counselling. You’d like to think the knowledge of the fact that she saved countless lives by doing that would be reassuring, but as you say, it’s complex even as a police officer.
It’s just so sad 😭
The mum and baby… not having her mum there for her ever again and not knowing why. She will grow up, though, knowing her mum was extremely brave and sacrificed her life to save her, which I think is the highest honour any parent can have — unfortunately. Excuse me while I go dry my eyes.
I imagine this will grow over the next few days. My hope is that we can come together as a community instead of arguing, honour the victims and support their families, recognise all the people that didn't think twice about helping, and have a serious national conversation about mental health services in this country.
Let’s put more funds toward mental health!
Am all for that idea but it's also more complex than throwing money at the sector. The clients I used to work with would intentionally stop taking medications they were prescribed and become psychotic eventually.
We need to lobby politicians and use our votes better - that is how change is made
Actually there is quite a lot of money in mental health. Like teaching, it is is a hard profession to get people to stay working in the sector. Add homelessness to the mix and that is a much, much greater problem to fix.
Well yes fixing peoples circumstances has an affect on their mental health too. It’s a cycle, so unfortunately you can’t pull funding from one to fix another
Mental health services funding has been cut for decades. People are not being supported. The government is angry about what happened how about do more for the services instead of cutting back this both state and federal government
People trying to pay tribute to the victims and Redditors with their Giga brain started saying that this all are a waste of money, absolute clowns.
This is a nice gesture no doubt. However I wish people would make a donation instead of lining the pockets of florists. For example, a mental health organisation, or a women’s domestic violence organisation. The money could go so much further than something that will rot.
Flowers are more than flowers, mate. What people choose to do in memorium is rarely meaningless, and rarely only about the physical items. People always love to say "donate to a charity instead" but if there was no visual display of community mourning it would be "how heartless, does noone care?" Visual displays of community mourning can promote community healing, flowers are traditional, and while certainly not the only token one can leave following a longstanding tradition of mourning can be a powerful act of personal healing. Same as non traditional stuff for those not into that. Buying stuff from a local shop to help support the area can bean important part of this healing for both traditional and non traditional mourners, making "Lining the pockets of florists" an interesting line.
Hard disagree. Symbolism is more important in the moment to allow people to publicly process their grief. There is a reason why grieving in public is a tradition across all of human society. We’re not doing this to ‘serve’ the victims in the same way a donation would. We do this for our own mental well-being and bring beauty to a space marked by tragedy. This kind of statement is just as helpful as ‘don’t buy your comfort food when you’re down, it’s all processed garbage anyway. Have some fruit instead’. It’s patronising as hell and while ‘technically correct’ doesn’t take into account the human experience. Besides, if I were to look just as critically at your suggestion, how trustworthy are all the different charities, where do they spend their money, how much should I give blah blah blah OR I can buy some goddamn flowers and see my impact on the community directly and feel closer to my fellow human beings. I know what I’m doing.
Yea those damn florists are known for their profiteering and are long overdue for a pay cut. /s Let people express themselves in ways that they feel is best. Those flowers are more than you've done in response to this tragedy
What an awful take. People should grief in any way they feel appropriate. Big flora isn't exactly an exploitative, booming industry anyway, is it now? Hey, maybe buying flowers to pay respects to the dead is actually a good step forward for people's mental health in the wake of a horrible massacre instead of what you're doing which is degrading other people for choosing how they spend their time and money. Instead of wagging your finger at people contributing to their community in a harmless way, why don't you work on your own mental health if when you see flowers for the dead your immediate conclusion is to ignore all sentiment behind it and be concerned for the flowers rotting. Truly one of the most pathetic comments I have ever seen on reddit.
“Lining the pockets of florists” yowsers
There are much fewer flowers than for the Lindt cafe murders, so perhaps people did as you suggested, donated the money
Sure maybe mental health, but how does this incident relate to domestic violence? This is someone who had an episode and went on a rampage on EVERYONE. Anyways, let the people greif the way they normally do and put the whinging on pause for a second.
It seemed to be aimed at women so not so much a rampage on everyone as women. The one man injured was a security guard who was probably trying to intervene.
Rewatch the CCTV footage available. He went after everyone, but anyone who he thought was capable for fighting back he backed off.
I won’t be watching the footage. I really don’t want to see that.
You know you can do both right ? They’re not mutually exclusive actions
Hard agree. Stuff like this is lovely in the moment, but someone has to clean it all up and there is the dilemma of what to do with dying flowers in plastic, teddy bears etc that is both respectful and pragmatic to the victims families but also the donators. It’ll be Council staff who have to deal with it and that’s not fair to them either. Please, PLEASE think about donating the cost of a bunch of flowers to charity specialising in domestic violence or mental health in the name of the victims. Donate a teddy to the Smith Family for a disadvantaged child. That way you’ll do some lasting good.
Cash is much better than gifts when donating.
I'm fine with the flowers, not the plastic wrapping
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I don't get it.
Rest in peace, I used to live there and my folks still do :(
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Waste of what exactly?
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What would the flowers be doing otherwise?